rejecting posts, and Politics of Vedas

May 9, 2007

Sat nam,

Regarding the " poster " whose " posts " were rejected at another

kundalini yoga , that will happen less with me in charge,

if that reassures the membership. That stems from a number of

reasons.

First, as a libertarian (previously known as a classical liberal) I

really believe in the most ancient of human philosophies, " Live and

Let Live, " * so I have less inclination than a lot of fear-minded

Statist supporters to interfere or coerce. (See below for an

fascinating 1-pager on the politics from one of the oldest

philosophies of mankind, the Vedas).

Second, my interpretation of Yogi Bhahan's teachings on our New

Aquarian Age is that it is based on experience and enlightenment, two

terms that to me lend themselves to related words, " experiment, "

and " gnosis. " Experiments require a tolerance for lots of error

before getting it right, and gnosis regards higher knowledge that

arises only if protected from the limits of base knowledge.

Third, Yogi Bhajan came to the West to teach not just kundalini yoga,

but also humanology, " the science for spirits on how best to act on

the Earthly plane. That parameter includes any and all aspects of

living, thus opening this to a wider variety of potential

topics than any of us now can envision.

So, " post " away, as long as your offerings come from your heart, the

chakra at which we need to shine for peace and prosperity.

Sat nam,

Amar Atma

Washington, DC

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The Politics of the Vedas, one of humanity's oldest philosophies.

Check out the quotes from Guru Gobind Singh.

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from: http://voi.org/books/hvhb/ch23.htm

2. VEDAS PREACH EQUALITY AND LIBERTY

(i) All men are equal

The philosophy of Holy Vedas revolves round fraternity and equality.

None is superior to another. None is master, none is slave. All men

have equal rights on the earth. Nature treats all alike, whether he

is brown or black, high or low, prince or pauper. Lord has prescribed

the same mode of birth and death for all men of the earth. All souls

are equally alike

samaanaa =dyaaina va: |

à Pgvaod 10ó191ó4

Let our hearts be

In equality and unity.

- Rig Veda 10/191/4

(ii) Live and let live

Vedic religion (Hindu religion) is based on the golden principle of

& #65533;live and let live & #65533;. Exploitation in any form is strictly

prohibited in Vedic religion. Supreme Being dwells in the hearts of

all men. Then why to enslave a fellow-being, who has the same equal

right to live with dignity and liberty ? Holy Vedas admonish us to

live and let others live :

jaIvaa sqa jaIvyaasaM

à Aqava-vaod 19ó69ó1

You may live

And let me also live.

- Atharva Veda 19/69/1

Prof. Max Muller admires and appreciates Vedas in the following

words :

& #65533;Vedas will continue to be admired and appreciated as long as the

oceans and the mountains exist on the earth. & #65533;

- Prof Max Muller

(iii) Slavery is pain, liberty is pleasure

No other suffering on the earth is so painful as slavery. All

troubles and tribulations, tortures and turmoils appear insignificant

in comparison to agonies of bondage. No other joy in the world is so

great as liberty. It is the root of real delight and source of

genuine joy. He who is deprived of liberty is the most wretched man

on the earth. Freedom is a blessing, where as slavery is a curse.

Freedom is life, where as slavery is death. Freedom is rapture,

where as slavery is torture.

Shri Manu, the first law-giver of the world, says

sava-M parvaSaM du:KaM sava-maatmavaSaM sauKama\ |

etad\ ivaVata\ samaasaona laXaNaM sauKadu:Kayaao: ||

à manau

Slavery is pain,

Freedom is pleasure,

In short, this is the definition

Of pain and pleasure.

- Manu

(iv) Crush the man who enslaves us

Holy Vedas precept and preach universal brotherhood. All human

beings on the earth are brothers having one and the same father, God

Almighty who treats all alike. Hence all are entitled to equal

rights and privileges. But if some persons, on account of their

selfish motive and malicious mentality, try to encroach upon the

liberty of others, they are not to be treated as brothers. They are

to be dealt with as encroachers, assaulters and enemies. Vedas

authorise us to crush the man who tries to subjugate us, because

protection of liberty then becomes unavoidable necessity.

yaao naao Agnao#iBadasatyainta dUro padIYT sa: |

AsmaakximadUQao Bava ||

à Pgvaod 1ó79ó11

O effulgent Lord,

May the person who enslaves us

Be crushed under feet

Whether he is near or far;

Mayest Thou be with us

For our progress and prosperity.

- Rig Veda 1/79/11

Holy Vedas admonish us that he, who snatches the basic right of

liberty and wishes to make us servile, should not be allowed at all

to exercise his power, whether he is alien or our own kith and kin:

yaao na [nd`aiBadasaita sanaaiBaya-Eca inaYTya: |

Ava tasya balaM itar mahIva VOrQa tmanaa

naBantaamanyakoxYaaM jyaakxa AiQa Qanvasau ||

à Pgvaod 10ó133ó5

O resplendent Lord,

Destroy the power of the man

Who wants to enslave us

Whether he is alien or akin,

No matter, if his strength

Is as vast as the sky;

Break the ropes

Fastened unto his bows.

- Rig Veda 10/133/5

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& #65533;The root cause of our downfall is our mental weakness. The first

and foremost task we have to perform is to annihilate this mental

weakness. & #65533;

- Dr. K.B. Hedgewar

& #65533;A wrong interpretation of & #65533;non-violence & #65533; has deprived the

national

mind of the power of discrimination. We have begun to look upon

strength as & #65533;violence & #65533; and to glorify our weakness & #65533; & #65533;

The world is

not prepared to listen to the philosophy, however sublime, of the

weak. & #65533;

- Guruji M.S. Golwalkar

& #65533;I would prefer Hitler to the Democracy that was cowardly and

yielding to every aggressor. & #65533;

- Veer Savarkar

& #65533;I shall see that my one soldier will defeat one lac enemies, then

alone I shall get myself called Gobind Singh. & #65533;

- Guru Gobind Singh

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Footnotes:

142 Bertrand Russell : & #65533;Why I am not a Christian and Other Essays on

Religion & #65533;, seventh edition, London, 1996, p. 28

143 Charles Smith : & #65533;Bible In The Balance & #65533;, first published in

Europe, reprinted by Hindu Writers & #65533; Forum, New Delhi, p. 11

144 Ibid.

145 (i) Col. Robert G. Ingersoll : & #65533;Ingersoll & #65533;s Lectures and

Essays & #65533;, published by Watts and Co., London

(ii) Charles Smith : & #65533;Bible in the Balance & #65533;, first published in

Europe, reprinted by Hindu Writers & #65533; Forum, New Delhi, cover page no.

2

146 Matilda Joslyn Gage : & #65533;Woman, Church and State & #65533;, New York,

1893,

reprinted by Voice of India, New Delhi, 1997, p. 539

147 Ibid.

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full article: http://voi.org/books/hvhb/ch23.htm

May 15, 2007

Dear Atmar Atma

Thank you for the 'Politics of the Vedas' ; actually some of it seems to have echoes in the Declaration if Independence. It gives me courage. And thank you for your 'So, "post" away, as long as your offerings come from your heart, the chakra at which we need to shine for peace and prosperity.'

While many may long for the day when present day politicians and government agencies have vedic type wisdom and cease to be 'little men', we can progress by experimenting with what is possible.