Karma

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing this article Sarita. I agree and believe in it. You

know, a lot of people know there is karma, but I don't think they take

it seriously or really believe in it until something bad happens to

them as a result of something they have done in the past.

 

Anne

 

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> I got this article from another group I belong to and thought it

> might be of interest.

>

> Sarita

>

>

> How Karma works

>

>

>

> Sooner or Later, You're Dancin' With the Reaper

> We are Karma Chameleons. While on Earth, you are living in the worlds

> of

> reincarnation and karma. Believe it or not, karma begins & ends with

> love.

> Karma

> begins to propel you as Soul on a personal journey through the

> universe.

> Karma ends when you have perfected yourself in your ability to love.

> So What is Karma? As Soul you are eternal. You have past, present, and

> future lives. To grow in love, joy, and awareness, you reincarnate

> into a

> series

> of physical bodies to experience different existences. You have been

> or will

> be both sexes and all races, religions, and ethnic types throughout

> many

> lifetimes

> Karma Defined: Karma means that " as you sow, so also shall you reap "

> in this

> and other lifetimes until you understand the complete consequences of

> all

> your actions. Karma is the principle of cause and effect, action and

> reaction,

> total cosmic justice and personal responsibility.

> The 4 Different " Flavors " of Karma:

> There are 4 different types of karma that you are always working on: ·

> * Sanchita Karma: the accumulated result of all your actions from all

> your past lifetimes. This is your total cosmic debt. Every moment of

> every day

> either you are adding to it or you are reducing this cosmic debt.

> * Prarabdha Karma: the portion of your " sanchita " karma being worked

> on

> in the present life. If you work down your agreed upon debt in this

> lifetime, then more past debts surface to be worked on.

> * Agami Karma: the portion of actions in the present life that add to

> your " sanchita " karma. If you fail to work off your debt, then more

> debts are

> added to " sanchita " karma and are sent to future lives.

> * Kriyamana Karma: daily, instant karma created in this life that is

> worked off immediately. These are debts that are created and worked

> off - ie.

> you do wrong, you get caught and you spend time in jail

>

> " Resistance is Futile " : As Soul, you experience a constant cycle of

> births

> and deaths into a series of bodies until you have learned all the

> spiritual

> lessons that the totality of all experiences have to teach you. Until

> you have

> learned, you will find that " resistance " to the rules of karma

> is " futile " .

>

>

> The Rules of Karma Governing Life on Earth

> #1: KARMA TEACHES BY EXPERIENCE AND NOT TO PUNISH

> Although it may often " feel " like punishment, the purpose of karma is

> to

> teach not to punish. Often the way we learn " the best " is to endure

> the same

> type of suffering that we have inflicted on others. For example, I

> remember

> little of my life as a City Commander in ancient Constantinople where

> I killed

> many without mercy, often with little justification. Yet, I remember

> vividly

> the life where I repaid that karma by being slaughtered by an Indian

> during the

> Martin's Hundred massacre. Believe me, I learned the lesson of mercy

> in the

> final terrifying moments of the massacre.

> #2: WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN LESSONS TAUGHT BY KARMA

> We are all here to learn lessons as " spiritual beings in human form " .

> These

> lessons are designed to help us grow into greater levels of love,

> joy, and

> awareness. They teach us to " choose love at every moment " , to " forgive

> everyone, everything " , and to " live happy " . Where we do not choose

> love, show

> forgiveness, teach tolerance, or display compassion, karma intervenes

> to put us

> back

> on the path of these lessons. Quite simply, the only way to achieve a

> state

> of karmic balance is to be love.

> #3: WE " FORGET " ABOUT KARMA TO SEE IF WE HAVE LEARNED

> Before we came, we agreed to put ourself in the path of all that is we

> needed to learn. Once we got here, we agreed to " forget " this. The

> purpose of

> " forgetting " is to keep us from being overwhelmed by the totality of

> our past

> while making sure that we have really learned our lessons. For

> example, having

> been a General in many lifetimes, I tended to treat others in a

> domineering

> manner. In this life, I put myself into my situations where humility

> would have

> served me better than being " the dictatorial General " . Only when I

> overcame

> this " problem " and learned my lesson did I understand why I had put

> myself

> into those karmic places.

> #4: KARMA IS IMPERSONAL, LOGICAL, AND PREDICTABLE

> Karma gives you the opportunity at every moment to become open to

> greater

> levels of love and compassion. It operates impersonally: applying to

> everyone,

> all the time, no exceptions. It is very logical: what you sow is what

> you

> reap in exact and precise measure. Karma is as predictable as the

> laws of

> gravity: what is done to you is the net result of what you have done

> to others.

> #5: KARMA IS PERFECTLY FAIR AND CREATES TOTAL JUSTICE

> For example, there are no " innocent " people in prison, they are there

> for a

> reason. If they appear " innocent " in this life, it is because they

> were

> " guilty " in a past life and " got away with it " . The " innocent "

> feel " cheated "

> now

> because they cannot see the cause of this life was the effect of a

> past life

> when they were " guilty " .

> #6: KARMA MAKES US LINK OUR ACTIONS WITH THEIR RESULTS

> The cause of this life is always the effect of a past life(s). The

> goal of

> karma is to ensure that we link our actions (the cause) with their

> results

> (the effect). " It is the loving God which helps each Soul develop

> it's highest

> spiritual potential through experience. " It is our experience which

> teaches us

> the Law of Love.

> #7: KARMA TEACHES US TOTALLY RESPONSIBILITY

> The goal of karma is to give you all the experiences that you need to

> evolve

> into greater levels of love, joy, awareness, and responsibility. Karma

> teaches that you are totally responsible for the circumstances of

> your life.

> Karma

> is like " training wheels " . They keep you on the straight and narrow

> until

> you have mastered your vehicle and can ride freely on your own.

> #8: KARMA TEACHES US LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR ALL

> " See that you are at the center of the universe... Accept all things

> as

> being part of you... When you perceive that an act done to another is

> done to

> yourself... you understand the great truth. " Tolerance opens the door

> to

> compassion and love.

> #9: KARMA DRIVES US TO WHOLENESS AND UNITY WITH LIFE

> Karma drives us from oneness to wholeness to unity with life. Karma

> forces

> us to look beyond ourselves (oneness) so that we can see ourselves as

> we truly

> are (wholeness or Self Realization)Karma drives us from oneness to

> wholeness to unity with life. Karma forces us to look beyond

> ourselves (one

> #10: KARMA DRIVES US TO SERVICE AND THEN TO LOVE

> Karma drives us to service. Service - co-workership with God - is the

> ulitmate expression of love. Love means service: service is your

> choice. Once

> you

> accept total responsibility for your life, you see yourself as Soul

> in service

> to life. Once you do, you become a fully realized co-worker with God.

> #11: UNDERSTANDING KARMA IS THE KEY TO HARMONY

> " Belief in karma ought to make the life pure, strong, serene, and

> glad. Only

> our own deeds can hinder us; only our own will can fetter us. Once

> let us

> recognize this truth, and our liberation has struck. Nature cannot

> enslave the

> Soul that by wisdom has gained power and uses both in love. "

> #12: FOR ANY QUESTION, LOVE IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER

> Karma shows us that for any question love is the answer. " Love is our

> birthplace, our final refuge, and our reason for being. If we

> recognize that

> compassion and love are the ultimate destination of our journey, the

> heart of

> the

> universe responds. " Authors Details: Ellen A Mogensen

> Ellen A Mogensen is a holistic counsellor _

> The Author's Website_ (http://www.healpastlives.com/)

>

[Guest guest]

Well, my thought is that we all come to the table from different

places. Someone else's lesson might be to learn to take Karma more

seriously. Somtimes we don't understand the gravity of something until

it slaps us in the face.

 

Sarita

 

, " Anne "

<annicole72 wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing this article Sarita. I agree and believe in it. You

> know, a lot of people know there is karma, but I don't think they take

> it seriously or really believe in it until something bad happens to

> them as a result of something they have done in the past.

>

> Anne

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam,

 

A question. If someone does something that negatively impacts another

person, but the doer of the action doesn't think that they have done

anything wrong, does that person(the doer) accumulate karma (bad

karma)? The wronged person is suffering from the actions of the doer

and as an outsider looking in, I believe that the doer should make

things rights since his actions caused the suffering. However, the

doer goes merrily along justifying his actions. Any thoughts on

this???

 

Thanks

Tej

[Guest guest]

Kundalini-Yoga , " tejkaursac " <tejkaursac

wrote:

>

> Sat Nam,

>

> A question. If someone does something that negatively impacts another

> person, but the doer of the action doesn't think that they have done

> anything wrong, does that person(the doer) accumulate karma (bad

> karma)? The wronged person is suffering from the actions of the doer

> and as an outsider looking in, I believe that the doer should make

> things rights since his actions caused the suffering. However, the

> doer goes merrily along justifying his actions. Any thoughts on

> this???

>

> Thanks

> Tej

>

Dear Tej, What goes around comes around even if the doer is unaware.

These constant negative actions will eventually catch up with the

doer. Past karma is probably already currently manifesting in

unfavorable ways from other wrongdoings this doer has performed. Have

the victim of the karmic infringement stay away from the doer if at

all possible and have them be in the company of the holy and I'm not

talking about the holier than thous. Blessings. Atma

[Guest guest]

For me, it is helpful to remember karma is a lesson, not a scorecard. It is

a lesson for both parties, doer and done to.

I always find it tricky to get involved in matters that donft directly involve

me personally. Thatfs not to say you shouldnft, just be clear about your

intentions/motivations. Home of the homeless, help of the helplessc

Maybe itfs your lesson to help, or help them help themselves. I have

recently gotten some great coaching about when I am hurt and how to

communicate it. The jist of it is to do the opposite of what I want to do

(contrary action). Open my heart, not close my heart. Use words like, gI

really care about you/our relationship and felt hurt when this happenedcI

felt x when you said yh People donft like/respond to being told how they

are acting (mean), but mostly, they really donft like being hurtful.

This is why I love Kundalini Yoga, the Yoga of awareness, but it only

works if you do it.

 

God Bless you, the doer and the done to

Siri Devta

>

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Tej,

Re People who negatively impact others and merrily goes along justifying his actions, Yogiji said in the book The Experience of Consciousness, Chapter Vll:

 

“Certain souls have to go through the cycle of cause and effect to elevate other souls. We call them the supportive system of souls. Those souls do not exist as humans, but they have the body of a human and they work and think as a human. I know you are going to freak out about this, but that is the fact. There are souls who just come to support, to cause a cause as Judas did to make Jesus the Christ, or as Jehangir did to make and provide the opportunity to test Guru Arjan into that elevated consciousness so that in the future the Khalsa could learn how to meditate on a hot plate.

 

Yogiji goes on to explain that this supportive system has negative souls which pull at elementary souls and positve souls which guide them to elevated consciousness. So there is a trinity—the negative system, positive system and the system, and that you must understand that you are one of that trinity.”

 

If you look back on your life, on the relationships that most furthered your personal growth, you will see where the most negative people provided the most profound impetus for spiritual growth and awakening.

 

Loving Blessings,

Guruprem Kaur

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Tej

 

As a general reply on the subject; Millions of people on this globe have no idea about the concept of Karma, but that does not mean that it is not a major factor in their lives, e.i. where they were born, what opportunities or obstacles they have in their lives etc. "If we have a debt, and forget about it, that debt is still there, even though we don't remember it."

 

 

In any given situation, where someone else has done something to hurt us or cause us problems, it still ultimately comes down to how we ourselves react. No matter how much we may feel that the other person should make amends somehow, we can't really change other people. We can offer suggestions, show them another point of view etc., but they have to want to change, to see a reason to change, and be willing to do what it takes to make the change. That is their responsibility. We can however change ourselves. As Ghandi said, we need to be the change we want to see in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: "tejkaursac" tejkaursac tejkaursac

Mon May 21, 2007 10:50 am (PST)

 

Sat Nam,A question. If someone does something that negatively impacts another person, but the doer of the action doesn't think that they have done anything wrong, does that person(the doer) accumulate karma (bad karma)? The wronged person is suffering from the actions of the doer and as an outsider looking in, I believe that the doer should make things rights since his actions caused the suffering. However, the doer goes merrily along justifying his actions. Any thoughts on this???ThanksTej

[Guest guest]

> Sat Nam,

>

> A question. If someone does something that negatively impacts another

> person, but the doer of the action doesn't think that they have done

> anything wrong, does that person(the doer) accumulate karma (bad

> karma)? The wronged person is suffering from the actions of the doer

> and as an outsider looking in, I believe that the doer should make

> things rights since his actions caused the suffering. However, the

> doer goes merrily along justifying his actions. Any thoughts on

> this???

>

> Thanks

> Tej

>

Dear Tej:

 

This sounds like a question you have asked before???

 

The math of karma is simpler than you make it. Whatever happens to

you is your experience and it is a gift to you whether you see it as a

gift or a curse, it is your responsibility to see the gift in it.

Don't expect that it is anyone's responsibility to make something

right that happened to you. If you have an expectation of someone else

fixing something they did, you're holding on to a grudge, and that's

hurting you! it dries up your system and drains you! It is important

to respect people's free will.

 

Yogi Bhajan said " God only makes good things and if they aren't good,

you make them good! " or something to that effect.

 

Even if a person was raped (I have met many women who have) it is

their responsibility (a path to freedom!) to find a way to no longer

see themselves as victim. No one else can do it for them. The best

that can be done is to show how much we care and to help them find the

strength to tell the truth, to find their power... etc but with the

knowledge that we are all involved in a dance so we can each learn

from each other. And thus we learn that we have participated in the

dance at our own level. We cannot point finger. The rapist may have

been given the gift to experience what it is to abuse someone and then

to face their truth... and learn to live and forgive themselves enough

that they can turn it around do some good in the world. May they find

someone who has patience to support their awakening!

 

Blessings, Awtar Singh

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Awtar,

 

This question is different from the " Expectation " question I asked

previously. The wrong was not done to me but to someone else I

know. I was the disinterested third party looking in and wondering

how does this person (doer) keep getting away with crapping on

everyone he comes into contact with and still smells like a rose. I

was just curious about how karma works. No grudge, no expectation,

just curiousity. I agree with the poster who said that some people

are put here for us to learn from, to elevate us spiritually, so to

speak. I have learned a great deal from this doer and I hope that I

am growing spiritually from it. I look at this person and say, wow I

hope I'm not acting like that too and if I am, I need to do something

about it. My posts about expectations, spirituality and now karma

were generated by observing this person in action. Guruganesha at a

workshop said that we have billions of teachers to learn from. I

agree with that!!

 

Sat Nam

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " yogahs " <kundalini_yoga

wrote:

>

> > Sat Nam,

> >

> > A question. If someone does something that negatively impacts

another

> > person, but the doer of the action doesn't think that they have

done

> > anything wrong, does that person(the doer) accumulate karma (bad

> > karma)? The wronged person is suffering from the actions of the

doer

> > and as an outsider looking in, I believe that the doer should

make

> > things rights since his actions caused the suffering. However,

the

> > doer goes merrily along justifying his actions. Any thoughts on

> > this???

> >

> > Thanks

> > Tej

> >

> Dear Tej:

>

> This sounds like a question you have asked before???

>

> The math of karma is simpler than you make it. Whatever happens to

> you is your experience and it is a gift to you whether you see it

as a

> gift or a curse, it is your responsibility to see the gift in it.

> Don't expect that it is anyone's responsibility to make something

> right that happened to you. If you have an expectation of someone

else

> fixing something they did, you're holding on to a grudge, and that's

> hurting you! it dries up your system and drains you! It is important

> to respect people's free will.

>

> Yogi Bhajan said " God only makes good things and if they aren't

good,

> you make them good! " or something to that effect.

>

> Even if a person was raped (I have met many women who have) it is

> their responsibility (a path to freedom!) to find a way to no longer

> see themselves as victim. No one else can do it for them. The best

> that can be done is to show how much we care and to help them find

the

> strength to tell the truth, to find their power... etc but with the

> knowledge that we are all involved in a dance so we can each learn

> from each other. And thus we learn that we have participated in the

> dance at our own level. We cannot point finger. The rapist may have

> been given the gift to experience what it is to abuse someone and

then

> to face their truth... and learn to live and forgive themselves

enough

> that they can turn it around do some good in the world. May they

find

> someone who has patience to support their awakening!

>

> Blessings, Awtar Singh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tej,

 

By Veda's tradition,

 

creation started when part of God [Mahad] wanted to experience

the 'Ego', the essence of 'I am', [Ahamkar].

 

If so,

'wrong doings & good doings' both are equally essential

to the experience God seeks.

 

Actions, good or bad, are the will of God.

 

Actions are function of space & time.

 

The complete cycle of life is composed of:

1-- the "world of action" [space & time] & ,

2-- the "world of inaction" outside [space & time].

The fruits of the 'world of action' are not exported to the' world of inaction'.

 

Karma is a complex chapter of a comprehensive philosophy.

It is not a mere action & reaction thing,

or a link between past/present/future life.

 

Blessings

Nabil Rizqallah

Beirut Lebanon.