Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Most Sihks in Sikh Gurdwara’s around the world would object to the idea that KY is Sikh Yoga, nor has Yogi Bhajan said so any place, and to the contrary has often said that the yoga is ancient, giong back thousands of years. Someone should get to the Wikipedia and correct this distortion of what Yogi Bhajan said and taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Sat Nam. Thanks for all the feedback. It is clear there is a lot of anger and frustration around this subject. " If only Yogi Bhajan had not been a Sikh! " you might say. But he was a most excellent student/teacher of the Guru of the Aquarian Age. Without Guru Nanak, there would have been no Yogi Bhajan. You may consider it most unfortunate, but it is true. Did Yogi Bhajan ever us the term " Sikh Yoga? " I don't think he did, but he did speak of " Gursikh Yogis " - from a quote of Bhai Gurdas's posted on the site and on this forum - and where there is are Gursikh Yogis, there has be a practice called " Gursikh (of just " Sikh " for short) Yoga. " Sometimes he If I am not mistaken, the legal affairs people of our 3HO have participated in a few cases over the years where cruel people have wanted to use the cultural prejudices of a judge to wrest custody of a child from a parent. As I recall, Snatam Kaur was the target of such a tug-of-war when she was young. It is cruel and bigoted behavior not befitting a state with the avowed right for its citizens to practice their religion in peace and without molestation. Why, the Puritans, religious refugees, practically started your country - and by the way, Yogiji spoke of this irony more than once! We cannot change what we are. Sikhs are free-spirited and do not proselytise. No one forces anyone to commit to anything they don't want to do. I appreciate Hari Bhajan Kaur, as well. She is fantastic! But the Sikh Yogi ethic has always been diverse and embracing, so there is nothing new in it. As Krishna Kaur would sing (in her song " One Creator " ): " It doesn't really matter how short your hair is, or even how long! We all come from One Creator! " To my mind, Sikh Dharma in its essence is a movement and not a religion. What is practiced as Sikhism today, according to Yogiji, bears little resemblance to the original spirit of Guru Nanak. There is too much ritual, too much formality, to little relevance to the burning issues of the day. I have lived in Sikh temples and been offered money by someone to pray for them, I suppose because I looked like someone who could. I have seen this farce first hand. This priesthood business is against the spirit of Guru Nanak. It anti-Guru! People should be able to pray for themselves, for heaven's sake! So, the other side of this discussion, is from Sikhs who like their insular and short-sighted ways and would have nothing to do with any kind of yoga or discipline. I had one of these fellows - a respected lawyer -once tell me that playing tennis has about as much relevance to Sikh practice as doing yoga. Well, that's his opinion, but Yogiji never agreed with it. Our Yogi Bhajan, the Siri Singh Sahib never took the easy path. He taught yoga to the yogis and he taught yoga to the Sikhs. He taught Sikh Dharma to the Sikhs and he taught Sikh Dharma to the yogis. And he taught humanology. People benefited tremendously, but not everyone appreciated everything he had to say or was able or willing to practice it in the spirit it was given. Perhaps the best way to make this vision seem credible to you would be to have new post called: " Sikh Yoga " with a number of things Yogiji has said on this and related topics. Let me just wrap up this post with something he said at a Gurdwara in Espanola, July 26, 1987: " Now the Christianity will not live, but the Christ-consciousness will live. Buddhists won't live, but the Buddha will live, the eternal wisdom will live. The religion won't live, but the original way of human life will live. The seekers of the truth will live, but the commercial religion won't live. " This is the new era which shall prevail as the will of the Creator. Man will live in his soul and his consciousness in the unity of love of the man. Again now, man will regard and respect the life-giver, and that is woman. Now the " chick " won't live, but a graceful woman will live. Now the man who was an animal in passion won't live, but a compassionate, graceful, protecting man shall live. " It doesn't matter whether all will practice the religious path or not, but there is one path only and that is the path of righteousness. All can walk on it. A Christian who will experience Christ-consciousness, will live. A Buddhist who will reach the maha satya (great realization) of the Buddha will live. A Sikh who will reach the righteousness of the Guru's Word shall live. A Hindu through his humility who will see God all-pervading, shall live. And a Muslim - the word " Muslim " means humble - who shall not hate and kill others in the name of Allah, but who shall see Allah - that Muslim will live who will believe there is One Creator and One Destroyer, and who will not think of other people as kafirs (unbelievers). " Blessings abounding...Guru Fatha Singhhttp://www.gurufathasingh.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Sat Nam Guru Fateh Singh I can appreciate the history of the Sikhs and Kundalini Yoga. I am not so sure that Guru Nanak taught Kundalini Yoga to the yogis. He taught them to be spiritual while most yogis at that time were on a spiritual materialism path - the yoga itself was the emphasis instead accessing one's oneness. Guru Nanak did encourage his son, Baba Siri Chand to study yoga and he became a great yogi. My problem with the term " Sikh Yoga " is that it can create a divide between Indian Sikhs, Western Sikhs and yogis. Already on this forum, there is a controversy. The word " yoga " means union. Why not simply call it Kundalini Yoga? Yogi Bhajan always referred to it by that term. I think all of us can live with that term. Guru Bandhu Singh Kundalini-Yoga , " Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa " <gurufathasingh wrote: > > Sat Nam. Thanks for all the feedback. > > It is clear there is a lot of anger and frustration around this subject. > " If only Yogi Bhajan had not been a Sikh! " you might say. But he was a most > excellent student/teacher of the Guru of the Aquarian Age. Without Guru > Nanak, there would have been no Yogi Bhajan. You may consider it most > unfortunate, but it is true. > > Did Yogi Bhajan ever us the term " Sikh Yoga? " I don't think he did, but he > did speak of " Gursikh Yogis " - from a quote of Bhai Gurdas's posted on the > site and on this forum - and where there is are Gursikh Yogis, there has be > a practice called " Gursikh (of just " Sikh " for short) Yoga. " Sometimes he > > If I am not mistaken, the legal affairs people of our 3HO have participated > in a few cases over the years where cruel people have wanted to use the > cultural prejudices of a judge to wrest custody of a child from a parent. > As I recall, Snatam Kaur was the target of such a tug-of-war when she was > young. It is cruel and bigoted behavior not befitting a state with the > avowed right for its citizens to practice their religion in peace and > without molestation. Why, the Puritans, religious refugees, practically > started your country - and by the way, Yogiji spoke of this irony more than > once! > > We cannot change what we are. Sikhs are free-spirited and do not > proselytise. No one forces anyone to commit to anything they don't want to > do. I appreciate Hari Bhajan Kaur, as well. She is fantastic! But the > Sikh Yogi ethic has always been diverse and embracing, so there is nothing > new in it. As Krishna Kaur would sing (in her song " One Creator " ): " It > doesn't really matter how short your hair is, or even how long! We all come > from One Creator! " > > To my mind, Sikh Dharma in its essence is a movement and not a religion. > What is practiced as Sikhism today, according to Yogiji, bears little > resemblance to the original spirit of Guru Nanak. There is too much ritual, > too much formality, to little relevance to the burning issues of the day. I > have lived in Sikh temples and been offered money by someone to pray for > them, I suppose because I looked like someone who could. I have seen this > farce first hand. This priesthood business is against the spirit of Guru > Nanak. It anti-Guru! People should be able to pray for themselves, for > heaven's sake! > > So, the other side of this discussion, is from Sikhs who like their insular > and short-sighted ways and would have nothing to do with any kind of yoga or > discipline. I had one of these fellows - a respected lawyer -once tell me > that playing tennis has about as much relevance to Sikh practice as doing > yoga. Well, that's his opinion, but Yogiji never agreed with it. > > Our Yogi Bhajan, the Siri Singh Sahib never took the easy path. He taught > yoga to the yogis and he taught yoga to the Sikhs. He taught Sikh Dharma to > the Sikhs and he taught Sikh Dharma to the yogis. And he taught > humanology. People benefited tremendously, but not everyone appreciated > everything he had to say or was able or willing to practice it in the spirit > it was given. > > Perhaps the best way to make this vision seem credible to you would be to > have new post called: " Sikh Yoga " with a number of things Yogiji has said on > this and related topics. Let me just wrap up this post with something he > said at a Gurdwara in Espanola, July 26, 1987: > > " Now the Christianity will not live, but the Christ-consciousness will > live. Buddhists won't live, but the Buddha will live, the eternal wisdom > will live. The religion won't live, but the original way of human life will > live. The seekers of the truth will live, but the commercial religion won't > live. > > " This is the new era which shall prevail as the will of the Creator. Man > will live in his soul and his consciousness in the unity of love of the > man. Again now, man will regard and respect the life-giver, and that is > woman. Now the " chick " won't live, but a graceful woman will live. Now the > man who was an animal in passion won't live, but a compassionate, graceful, > protecting man shall live. > > " It doesn't matter whether all will practice the religious path or not, but > there is one path only and that is the path of righteousness. All can walk > on it. A Christian who will experience Christ-consciousness, will live. A > Buddhist who will reach the maha satya (great realization) of the Buddha > will live. A Sikh who will reach the righteousness of the Guru's Word shall > live. A Hindu through his humility who will see God all-pervading, shall > live. And a Muslim - the word " Muslim " means humble - who shall not hate > and kill others in the name of Allah, but who shall see Allah - that Muslim > will live who will believe there is One Creator and One Destroyer, and who > will not think of other people as kafirs (unbelievers). " > > Blessings abounding... > > Guru Fatha Singh > http://www.gurufathasingh.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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