Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 I recently start attending Kundalini Yoga and would like to further my practice. I am currently searching for more information on it as I found out that Yogi Bhajan's teachings is quite align with my own spiritual beliefs. However, today i received a newsletter from a website http://www.circleoflights.com/ They wrote something about the teachings of Yogi Bhajan were 80% wrong. This makes me very confused. See below: =============================================================== This is the part of the current month's newsletter: Topic - False Religions Editor's note: A reader asked what I thought of sahaja yoga and Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi who was the founder. Most spiritual journeys start off with the best of intentions, as have the many spiritual practices that have come out of India. Like I mentioned in my newsletter a few times, Yogi Bhajan (who was a wonderful man) told me that he wished he had learned about accessing the Light, as he left with a frequency of 200 which is not enough for ascension. Instead, out of the great work that he left behind as his legacy, he acknowledged that 80% was wrong. I even saw him at a concert in Hollywood a few years after he died. He was on stage supporting Snatam Kaur (she puts out some of the highest frequency music on the planet now). Right now he's trying to support the ascension process from the other side. In the same way, I think that most of the spiritual leaders that come out of India are wonderful personalities with the best of intentions. The big mistake they all made was that they failed to understand the need for spiritual protection.This allowed their aura to be breached and their Light to be siphoned off. It's that simple. Our angels will do what they can to protect us, but when we allow ourselves to be compromised spiritually, they cannot and will not intervene to stop us from hurting ourselves. As an example, before the seat belt law went into place, I was in a head-on collision with a drunk driver going about 40 miles per hour and I didn't have my seat belt on. I didn't move an inch and was unharmed, even though my car was totaled. Yet if I decide to jump off the top of a tall building, I'll be dead as soon as I hit the ground. Therefore, we have to protect ourselves from spiritual attacks and part of that includes discerning what is safe for us to participate in. That's why we should always ask our etheric teachers before we get involved with any type of spiritual work. If we fail to check with them, we take on all the risks that may proceed from our participation. Concerning Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi specifically, she failed to seek adequate protection. This doesn't make her a bad person, it just disqualifies her for ascension in this life. Last year, I interviewed Yogi Bhajan (Kundalini Yoga) and Pope John Paul II and they both acknowledged that 80% of everything they learned and taught was incorrect. Yet they were both good men and are now helping on the other side with the ascension process. By doing so, they both hope to ascend in 2012 with many from the Earth. =================================================================== I hope someone here can clear my confusion. Satnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 There's plenty of misinformation out there about Yogi B. There's also plenty of nuts out there... Do you want to be a squirrel, or a lighthouse beacon? I can't speak specifically to this, but I believe the question is not really if Yogi B. or the Pope was 80% wrong or whatever... First of all, if they were 20% right, that's 100% righter than everyone else. Secondly, the question is how do YOU feel after doing a spiritual practice each morning for 2.5 hours for 40 days? Do you feel good? Experience comes first in Kundalini. And third, I'll leave you with a paraphrase of a YB quote... 'It doesn't matter about all the facts or information, the most important thing is that you love God'. If this makes you even more confused, then you need to do more yoga, more meditating on The Word, and less newsletter reading! Peace, Light and (Tough) Love, FilipFilip Kundalini-Yoga , " planetearth2012 " <planetearth2012 wrote: > > I recently start attending Kundalini Yoga and would like to further my > practice. I am currently searching for more information on it as I > found out that Yogi Bhajan's teachings is quite align with my own > spiritual beliefs. However, today i received a newsletter from a > website http://www.circleoflights.com/ > They wrote something about the teachings of Yogi Bhajan were 80% > wrong. This makes me very confused. See below: > > =============================================================== > This is the part of the current month's newsletter: > > Topic - False Religions > Editor's note: A reader asked what I thought of sahaja yoga and Shri > Mataji Nirmala Devi who was the founder. > > Most spiritual journeys start off with the best of intentions, as have > the many spiritual practices that have come out of India. Like I > mentioned in my newsletter a few times, Yogi Bhajan (who was a > wonderful man) told me that he wished he had learned about accessing > the Light, as he left with a frequency of 200 which is not enough for > ascension. Instead, out of the great work that he left behind as his > legacy, he acknowledged that 80% was wrong. > > I even saw him at a concert in Hollywood a few years after he died. He > was on stage supporting Snatam Kaur (she puts out some of the highest > frequency music on the planet now). Right now he's trying to support > the ascension process from the other side. > > In the same way, I think that most of the spiritual leaders that come > out of India are wonderful personalities with the best of intentions. > The big mistake they all made was that they failed to understand the > need for spiritual protection.This allowed their aura to be breached > and their Light to be siphoned off. It's that simple. > > Our angels will do what they can to protect us, but when we allow > ourselves to be compromised spiritually, they cannot and will not > intervene to stop us from hurting ourselves. As an example, before > the seat belt law went into place, I was in a head-on collision with a > drunk driver going about 40 miles per hour and I didn't have my seat > belt on. I didn't move an inch and was unharmed, even though my car > was totaled. Yet if I decide to jump off the top of a tall building, > I'll be dead as soon as I hit the ground. > > Therefore, we have to protect ourselves from spiritual attacks and > part of that includes discerning what is safe for us to participate > in. That's why we should always ask our etheric teachers before we get > involved with any type of spiritual work. If we fail to check with > them, we take on all the risks that may proceed from our participation. > > Concerning Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi specifically, she failed to seek > adequate protection. This doesn't make her a bad person, it just > disqualifies her for ascension in this life. > > Last year, I interviewed Yogi Bhajan (Kundalini Yoga) and Pope John > Paul II and they both acknowledged that 80% of everything they learned > and taught was incorrect. Yet they were both good men and are now > helping on the other side with the ascension process. By doing so, > they both hope to ascend in 2012 with many from the Earth. > =================================================================== > I hope someone here can clear my confusion. > > Satnam. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Dear One, I understand your confusion as you have just begun this practice and are still new to the ongoing experiences of these incredible practices. However, in the 33 years I have been on this path, I have never seen so much spiritual protection in any other spiritual practice, and believe me, I have kept my eyes open! For example: A number of years ago, I was the meditation teacher at Omega Institute in upstate New York where an extraordinary number of various spiritual practices are taught weekly throughout the summer. The administrators told me that every year they had to send home several of their staff who would somehow seem to develop strange mental difficulties. Omega attracted these young staff people by allowing them to take several of these workshops for free, in exchange for their paying very low wages. And as part of my work, I also offered, kundalini yoga, free healing and intuitive consultation for the staff. Then it started happening. Friends of these people would bring them to me. For instance, they would be doing kirtan (Indian hymn singing) and didn't want to come back to their bodies. Or their consciousness was living in another lifetime or a different reality, and they couldn't get back. It was quite bizarre and I have not seen this before or since. What I intuitively "heard" to treat each of them was that they should do the Adi Mantra that we begin every Kundalini class--"Ong Namo, Guru Dev Namo" for 11 mintues or 31 mintues each day, or even twice a day. And if the affected people couldn't do this for themselves, then their friends were to do it for them. As you know, Yogi Bhajan told us that this mantra provides protection and guidance. Never a truer word said! Within a day or two, each of these people were back down to Earth, back in their physical bodies and fine! How powerful are these protective practices that our Master Teacher has given us! And there are so many other forms of protection that he has built into this sytem as well, as you will discover. And at the end of the summer, the camp administrator was quite perplexed when she explained that this was the first summer that they didn't have to send anyone home! Needless to say, I was really grateful! Now, I have since learned that instead of chanting this amazing mantra in the same way that we do before class for these extended time periods, it is better to chant "Ong Namo, Guru Dev Namo, Guru Dev Namo, Guru Devaa". It is done quickly, and the "a" at the very end goes up in tone. Also, I believe that Snatam Kaur has recorded this version as well, so you chant it all the time for protection and guidance! Are we lucky or what? So, you see, I wouldn't take that other source personally. Rather, I would suggest that you use this amazing technology yourself and see what it does for you! Then make your own opinion based on your own experience. Lots of Love, Siri-Gian Kaur www.SoulAnswer.com/tuning_in.html www.SoulAnswer.com/intuition.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Dear One and Soul Answer, Looking back over my reply from yesterday, I see that I overlooked a bit that you were an early practitioner, and perhaps my message was not as uplifting as it should have been... However, that was how I felt at the time; mostly in reaction to the information you presented, rather than understanding your need for a bit uplifting guidance. But that being said... I'm also figuring all this stuff out..! (Or in other words, getting to know myself better through the practice) I guess the moral is, that it's good to gather as much information as possible, but in the end it's just information. We need to have and share the experience before we react with heads, and learn to use our heart to guide our responses. So, thanks for the heartfelt, neutral response from Siri-Gian (Soul Answer)!! TrulyYours, Filip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Hi there,The world of yoga and spirituality can be a bit strange. You have to make your own judgements as the real truth is hard to know.For me - someone who ways the dead Yogi Bhajan and the Pope admitted to him they were 80% wrong is most likely deluded!Yogi Bhajan seemed to be very good at saying others paths and methods can be valid and good. When someone talks like that I am more inclined to trust them. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Sat Nam, First of all, I'd like to commend you for seeking the answers to your questions, and that you trust this group (including myself) to provide you with answers. I have also asked this community for guidance at times, and hope that I can now also be equally helpful to you. While I find this to be an interesting read, especially when the author talks about being able to see Yogi Bhajan and Pope John Paul II, I cringed when I saw the " 80% wrong " comment. What's important to remember here is that there is no " right " or " wrong " when seeking God, but rather, what's most compatible with your vibration. For this channeler, Kundalini Yoga may very well be " 80% wrong " , as he suggests, but for him personally, and not for the global consciousness. All paths will ultimately lead to God, but it's up to every individual to find their own path to self-realization. For some, it's channeling and reading the texts on the Circle of Lights website. For others, it's Kripalu Yoga. For me, it's Kundalini. You need to find out what your path is, set your course, and go. Snatam Kaur's singing does anchor in quite a bit of light (as I'm particularly sensitive to the divine sound current, I think I can say that, as my name suggests), but there are quite a few who do too, so if that interests you, we can talk about this. I hope this has been helpful to you. Many blessings, Nadh Singh Kundalini-Yoga , " planetearth2012 " <planetearth2012 wrote: > > I recently start attending Kundalini Yoga and would like to further my > practice. I am currently searching for more information on it as I > found out that Yogi Bhajan's teachings is quite align with my own > spiritual beliefs. However, today i received a newsletter from a > website http://www.circleoflights.com/ > They wrote something about the teachings of Yogi Bhajan were 80% > wrong. This makes me very confused. See below: > > =============================================================== > This is the part of the current month's newsletter: > > Topic - False Religions > Editor's note: A reader asked what I thought of sahaja yoga and Shri > Mataji Nirmala Devi who was the founder. > > Most spiritual journeys start off with the best of intentions, as have > the many spiritual practices that have come out of India. Like I > mentioned in my newsletter a few times, Yogi Bhajan (who was a > wonderful man) told me that he wished he had learned about accessing > the Light, as he left with a frequency of 200 which is not enough for > ascension. Instead, out of the great work that he left behind as his > legacy, he acknowledged that 80% was wrong. > > I even saw him at a concert in Hollywood a few years after he died. He > was on stage supporting Snatam Kaur (she puts out some of the highest > frequency music on the planet now). Right now he's trying to support > the ascension process from the other side. > > In the same way, I think that most of the spiritual leaders that come > out of India are wonderful personalities with the best of intentions. > The big mistake they all made was that they failed to understand the > need for spiritual protection.This allowed their aura to be breached > and their Light to be siphoned off. It's that simple. > > Our angels will do what they can to protect us, but when we allow > ourselves to be compromised spiritually, they cannot and will not > intervene to stop us from hurting ourselves. As an example, before > the seat belt law went into place, I was in a head-on collision with a > drunk driver going about 40 miles per hour and I didn't have my seat > belt on. I didn't move an inch and was unharmed, even though my car > was totaled. Yet if I decide to jump off the top of a tall building, > I'll be dead as soon as I hit the ground. > > Therefore, we have to protect ourselves from spiritual attacks and > part of that includes discerning what is safe for us to participate > in. That's why we should always ask our etheric teachers before we get > involved with any type of spiritual work. If we fail to check with > them, we take on all the risks that may proceed from our participation. > > Concerning Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi specifically, she failed to seek > adequate protection. This doesn't make her a bad person, it just > disqualifies her for ascension in this life. > > Last year, I interviewed Yogi Bhajan (Kundalini Yoga) and Pope John > Paul II and they both acknowledged that 80% of everything they learned > and taught was incorrect. Yet they were both good men and are now > helping on the other side with the ascension process. By doing so, > they both hope to ascend in 2012 with many from the Earth. > =================================================================== > I hope someone here can clear my confusion. > > Satnam. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Here is another perspective on the " 80% wrong " of YB and PP...I have added to your post as this is more oriented to those who have practiced, read, contemplated for awhile. Point 1: I tried to find the original interview that this newsletter refers.. to make certain the " facts " were correct and also the " context " . I didn't find it but what it brings up is that YB said some " outragious " things and we sometimes know or don't know why... " I have come here to create teachers, not collect students " ... " never trust your teacher " ... " when I (YB) started with my teacher there were 262, we ended with 3 " ...(full disclosure: these may not be the exact words but I am certain they represent what YB said). If you take these statements out of context and project on them...wow. Point 2: Perhaps, it is in fact true that 80% is " wrong " ...yet we are " doing " the 20%...he was " teaching " for the Aquarian Age in the Pisces Age...and he did say the there would be major changes so he had to deliver the " goods " in a way that we could " hear " them in our " age " . Suggestion: Watch a few unedited, full and complete YB dvd/videos...they bring to life the teachings, teaching, and the teacher in an applied context. Story: as I recall the story...Kundalini Yoga was not to be taught openingly...if you did, something not very pleasant would happen within a year...YB taught opening (what, he didn't follow the rules and changed the teachings!!!)...since he didn't die, he went deeper into the teachings (I believe he asked some wise teachers in India) and they mentioned something about no ego and being humble and the Golden Chain (full disclosure: I read this in one of the Women Camp or Master Touch...doing lots of reading lately)...point being is that if we leave out one line/fact of what YB said it totally changes the entire message. Perhaps the next level of research/publication of YB is to " reference " the unedited original lectures. Appreciation, Sat Ganesha " share, participate and contribute " Kundalini-Yoga , " filipstoj " <filipfilip wrote: > > Dear One and Soul Answer, > > Looking back over my reply from yesterday, I see that I overlooked a > bit that you were an early practitioner, and perhaps my message was > not as uplifting as it should have been... However, that was how I > felt at the time; mostly in reaction to the information you presented, > rather than understanding your need for a bit uplifting guidance. > > But that being said... I'm also figuring all this stuff out..! (Or in > other words, getting to know myself better through the practice) > > I guess the moral is, that it's good to gather as much information as > possible, but in the end it's just information. We need to have and > share the experience before we react with heads, and learn to use our > heart to guide our responses. > > So, thanks for the heartfelt, neutral response from Siri-Gian (Soul > Answer)!! > > TrulyYours, > Filip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Sat nam, The Siri Singh Sahib (Yogi Bhajan) told us during his lifetime that he would be there to help us make the transition of leaving the body behind, when the time comes. Other great teachers and saints have also devoted their lives and afterlives in service to humanity. Jesus of Nazareth is one and Saint Francis of Assisi is another. The Siri Singh Sahib explained that even with their best intentions to remain in contact with humanity, the souls of these divine beings will eventually be reabsorbed into Infinity. The Cosmos is kind to send us great teachers and avatars from time to time to light our way through the difficulties of human existence and see us on our journeys home. Blessings, Gurusurya Kaur Brooklyn, New York __________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2gGVRinvjO38pErg7RLConIRtDRhsg\ 4Ku87FlQ4ZcZBdgfb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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