Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Nadh Singh ji, So let me take this in........ if the Gong is "organic" as you want to say, where might it fall with respect to the organic sounds of a river, a waterfall or the wind blowing through the trees? What might that feel like to our four legged friends? I hope they were getting along okay until before man created classical music ? ? ? ) That said, I've had students say to me after a gong session that it sounded to them *like* the ocean coming to shore. On another occasion a gonging partner of mine said to me it sounded and felt to them *like* the deep-down rumblings and movements of the earth (which is what I was being guided, by the sound current, to allow to evolve). Pretty organic sounding. Certainly not like a sonic boom, or like some of the noises it was lumped in with. Take an honest look at the video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxBfVkeCF4 & NR=1 ) and if you could see anything but wide open curiosity, I'd be very surprised. One doesn't need a doctorate, just two good eyes to see that their ears are perked toward the Gong with curiosity and receptiveness, and so are their heads. Their overall body posture is forward (look at the chain above the necks) and not retreating back or away from the gong in any way. The Gong healer, Massimo Piazzo, was pretty well tuned in to their gestures in the moment and it's almost a dance, at points, with the cows moving their heads along with the movements of the gong. Additionally, he chose Earth and Moon gongs which are more tuned to a specific and lower note than the Symphonic gongs. It would take a pretty caring, and maybe even passionate, farmer to do this for his cows, which is good, as they are sentient beings with feelings, as they do have a limbic system ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system ). Many different voices have had something to add and concerns remain. I do ask that we please let this rest, with our own senses having had the last word? It might help, by the way, to keep the volume down as many people do have emotional reactions/transformations while listening the gong. For some it's like frog pose, if one can just get through 108, fingers crossed, they will feel better. Blessings all around, Dharam Singh Purveyor of Hand-Picked Paiste Gongs http://gongsongs.com/products terrarium44 wrote: Sat Nam Rai Kaur Khalsa Ji, Thank you for your post. If I may add my two cents, I just wanted to say how much I agreed with your post. It was very informative, not only for the whole question about cows and gongs, but also taking great care in not responding to anything when in a non-neutral space. Something for me to keep in mind. This being said, I appreciated your perspective--it's not about us, but rather, about the cow, and its probable perception of the gong. The gong, in a barnyard environment, really isn't an appropriate environment--with all the sounds of pumps, cows mooing, farm equipment, cats meowing, plus everything else that goes on in a farm (I grew up on one), I don't see how the sound of a gong could help. It wouldn't help us either, really--imagine a Kundalini Yoga class in a barn and you'd get the idea. I did, however, see a documentary on television where they were playing classical music (the calmer pieces) and the researchers noticed a beneficial effect on the cows. They also noticed that they gave more milk. Also, in the book, "The Secret Life of Plants", it was shown that harmonious music, such as classical music and easy listening (I'd like to add Kundalini Yoga music to this!) had a beneficial effect on plants as well, whereas disharmonious music, like rap, heavy metal, rock and such, made the plants grow away from the speakers or even die. Being interested in the sound current for some time now, I think it's important to distinguish between the sounds emanating from the gong versus conventional music--the former carries an organic sound, rich with tones and overtones mixed together harmoniously, whereas the latter has clear, precise notes in a linear sequence--both are quite different sounds. So, I think your post is absolutely accurate when you mention that a gong may very well be noise to a cow; I'm adding that conventional music, and not gongs, are beneficial to cows, especially in a barn environment. Blessings, Nadh Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Sat Nam Dharam Singh Ji, Allow me to clarify something--as organic as the sound of the gong is, most farm environments are not as quiet as the one we see in this clip; many of these environments are a lot noisier, filled with disharmonious sounds. All living beings would benefit from the gong, provided that the fullness of its sound can be experienced. If, for example, you'd play your gong at a rock concert, people wouldn't benefit from you playing--if anything, they'd be annoyed. The same can be said for playing the gong in a typical barn. The barn we see in the video is very quiet, so I have no doubts that the gong would be beneficial in some way. As far as the cows' posture is concerned, let me tell you that, having grown up on a farm, cows are extremely curious in nature, and will be interested in anything you show them, whether it be a gong, a chime, or a blade of grass, and, given the opportunity, they'll try to eat or lick all three... In sum, gongs are best suited to quiet environments where the listeners can fully experience and reap the benefits of the organic sound produced. In this same environment, simpler sounds (such as simple tones produced by slow classical music) may be more beneficial. I don't consider barns to be one of these quiet environments. Your comments are very much appreciated. Blessings, Nadh Singh Kundalini-Yoga , d h a r a m <pranahsaurus wrote: > > Nadh Singh ji, > So let me take this in........ if the Gong is " organic " as you want > to say, where might it fall with respect to the organic sounds of a > river, a waterfall or the wind blowing through the trees? What might > that feel like to our four legged friends? I hope they were getting > along okay until before man created classical music ? ? ? ) > That said, I've had students say to me after a gong session that it > sounded to them *like* the ocean coming to shore. On another occasion a > gonging partner of mine said to me it sounded and felt to them *like* > the deep-down rumblings and movements of the earth (which is what I was > being guided, by the sound current, to allow to evolve). Pretty organic > sounding. Certainly not like a sonic boom, or like some of the noises it > was lumped in with. > Take an honest look at the video ( > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxBfVkeCF4 & NR=1 ) and if you could see > anything but wide open curiosity, I'd be very surprised. One doesn't > need a doctorate, just two good eyes to see that their ears are perked > toward the Gong with curiosity and receptiveness, and so are their > heads. Their overall body posture is forward (look at the chain above > the necks) and not retreating back or away from the gong in any way. The > Gong healer, Massimo Piazzo, was pretty well tuned in to their gestures > in the moment and it's almost a dance, at points, with the cows moving > their heads along with the movements of the gong. Additionally, he chose > Earth and Moon gongs which are more tuned to a specific and lower note > than the Symphonic gongs. > It would take a pretty caring, and maybe even passionate, farmer to do > this for his cows, which is good, as they are sentient beings with > feelings, as they do have a limbic system ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system ). > > Many different voices have had something to add and concerns remain. I > do ask that we please let this rest, with our own senses having had the > last word? It might help, by the way, to keep the volume down as many > people do have emotional reactions/transformations while listening the > gong. For some it's like frog pose, if one can just get through 108, > fingers crossed, they will feel better. > > Blessings all around, > Dharam Singh > Purveyor of Hand-Picked Paiste Gongs > http://gongsongs.com/products > > > terrarium44 wrote: > > Sat Nam Rai Kaur Khalsa Ji, > > > > Thank you for your post. If I may add my two cents, I just wanted to say how much I agreed with your post. It was very informative, not only for the whole question about cows and gongs, but also taking great care in not responding to anything when in a non-neutral space. Something for me to keep in mind. > > > > This being said, I appreciated your perspective--it's not about us, but rather, about the cow, and its probable perception of the gong. The gong, in a barnyard environment, really isn't an appropriate environment--with all the sounds of pumps, cows mooing, farm equipment, cats meowing, plus everything else that goes on in a farm (I grew up on one), I don't see how the sound of a gong could help. It wouldn't help us either, really--imagine a Kundalini Yoga class in a barn and you'd get the idea. > > > > I did, however, see a documentary on television where they were playing classical music (the calmer pieces) and the researchers noticed a beneficial effect on the cows. They also noticed that they gave more milk. Also, in the book, " The Secret Life of Plants " , it was shown that harmonious music, such as classical music and easy listening (I'd like to add Kundalini Yoga music to this!) had a beneficial effect on plants as well, whereas disharmonious music, like rap, heavy metal, rock and such, made the plants grow away from the speakers or even die. > > > > Being interested in the sound current for some time now, I think it's important to distinguish between the sounds emanating from the gong versus conventional music--the former carries an organic sound, rich with tones and overtones mixed together harmoniously, whereas the latter has clear, precise notes in a linear sequence--both are quite different sounds. So, I think your post is absolutely accurate when you mention that a gong may very well be noise to a cow; I'm adding that conventional music, and not gongs, are beneficial to cows, especially in a barn environment. > > > > Blessings, > > > > Nadh Singh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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