Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Sat Nam! 2.a. Mahan Kaur is also Aquarian marching along in the company of her two siamese cats, Pacha and Picolo. Mahan K. --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Kundalini-Yoga <Kundalini-Yoga > wrote: Kundalini-Yoga <Kundalini-Yoga > Digest Number 1468 Kundalini-Yoga Received: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 4:31 AM Kundalini-Yoga Messages In This Digest (20 Messages) 1. Are there any KY teachers in India Sat Avtar Kaur 2a. my cat & I are Aquarian Marching together Sat Avtar Kaur 3. What has happened to C fro? Sat Avtar Kaur 4. Is this a book, has anyone heard of it? Sat Avtar Kaur 5a. Kundalini Yoga and Yin Yoga terrarium44 5b. Re: Kundalini Yoga and Yin Yoga siribandhu 5c. Re: Kundalini Yoga and Yin Yoga dryogi3ho 6. PRE-WHITE TANTRIC YOGA PREP CLASS IN LA THIS THURSDAY! Sunder Kaur 7a. Re: Mantra to immediately reverse course Guruprem Kaur 7b. Mantra to immediately reverse course har hari kaur 8a. Mung Beans? wlshlensky 8b. Re: Mung Beans? terrarium44 8c. Re: Mung Beans? dryogi3ho 9. Mantra to immediately reverse course AND mantra resource Sat Kartar Khalsa 10. Join Gurumarka Singh Khalsa at YogaSoul in Eagan, MN May 2-4! Holly Irlbacker 11a. Re: Gay marraige Sunderta Kaur 11b. Re: Gay marraige siribandhu 12a. Re: Gonging my Roses!......and Pop tarts samantha 13a. Re: Support, Meditations, Kriyas for PTSD and Abuse mjcometa 14a. Re: Meditations for procrastination/motivation? filipstoj View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. Are there any KY teachers in India Posted by: " Sat Avtar Kaur " myralorey myralorey Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:57 am (PDT) Sat Nam, I have had 2 people within the last 3 weeks contact me, through the Kundalini Yoga Info Cntr, asking if there are any teachers in India? So are there any teachers in India? Thank you, Sat Avtar Kaur Bothell, WA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2a. my cat & I are Aquarian Marching together Posted by: " Sat Avtar Kaur " myralorey myralorey Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:57 am (PDT) Sat Nam One and All, Ardas Kaur and her cat are Aquarian Marching together with Sat Avtar and her cat. Dogs are welcome to, any other pet owners want to admit that you are marching along with us into the future? If so please reply. Blessings, Sat Avtar Kaur and Lexie Bothell, WA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 3. What has happened to C fro? Posted by: " Sat Avtar Kaur " myralorey myralorey Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:58 am (PDT) Sat Nam, Charles Froman has not been posting on this site that he started. Is he missing? Is he hiding? Has he dematerialized? What what - where - where is he? Blessings, Sat Avtar Kaur Bothell, WA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4. Is this a book, has anyone heard of it? Posted by: " Sat Avtar Kaur " myralorey myralorey Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:58 am (PDT) Sat Nam, " In the depth of my Heart, the Harimander (Temple of God) lives... " Yogi Bhajan (from Adorned with Honor 1968). Is this a book? Where can I find it? This is were I ran across it: http://www.indiadiv ine.org/audarya/ kundalini- yoga/210936- more-regarding- hrdayam-one- star-spiritualit y.html It is about One Star Spirituality. Thank you, Sat Avtar Kaur Bothell, WA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 5a. Kundalini Yoga and Yin Yoga Posted by: " terrarium44 " terrarium44 terrarium44 Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:58 am (PDT) Sat Nam dear yogic family, I've recently delved into Yin Yoga since I was interested in how it dealt with the deeper aspects of yoga practice, i.e. affecting the connective tissue of the body instead of hatha yoga's obession with the muscle. As part of my research, I bought Paul Grilley's Yin Yoga DVD and watched the 2-hour course included in the DVD set. Yin Yoga distinguishes itself from other yogas by the fact that it stresses the joints of the body, not the muscle, partially to increase the hyaluronic acid in the synovial fluid present in the joints. As part of his course, Grilley mentions that when we create a rhythm and a repetition to an exercise that focuses on the joints, we will undoubtedly get hurt. When he said that, I immediately thought about " Cat Cow " in Kundalini Yoga, where we flex the spine up and down and our head goes up and down in the opposite direction. Does this mean that Kundalini Yoga is in opposition to Yin Yoga? It just sounds like when we do " Cat Cow " for 5 minutes or so that we're undoubtedly causing injury to ourselves, since it works on the joints of our spine in a repeated, rhythmic fashion? Thank you, Nadh Singh Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 5b. Re: Kundalini Yoga and Yin Yoga Posted by: " siribandhu " siribandhu siribandhu Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:31 am (PDT) Kundalini-Yoga, " terrarium44 " <terrarium44@ ...> wrote: > Dear Nadh Singhji, The connective tissue in the spinal column is a bit different than that of a regular joint. There is the disc between the bones that is a connective tissue. The squishing (technical healing term!) of the joint from the arching pushes the craniosacral fluid out of the discs. Since there is no such thing as a vacuum in the body, the hydraulic action in the flexing motion flushes new fluid into the disc. It is a cleansing of the area, but in a greater sense, it is a " lube job " for the spinal joints. The dura matar is the connective tissue around the joints. There are 9 connective tissues connecting the bones. So bones in the middle would have 18 attachments to the vertebra above and below it. This is so the spine can torque, flex and extend, and upon extreme exertion separate and regroup, hopefully without damage. This physical configuration alone and the valuable cargo, the central nervous system, its housing makes the spine an extremely different joint system than other joints in the body. Since the connective tissue (ct) can secrete the neurotransmitters like serotonin, nor-epinephrine, dopamine, etc the density of dura mater (dm) is an adjunct to the central nervous system (CNS). It was believed at one time only the CNS could secrete these neurotransmitters. So by definition the ct and dm are functionally related to the CNS. On a physical level, the flexion and extension of the spinal column and dm pumps the craniosacral fluid that houses the entire CNS including the brain. This bathes the CNS in the life-giving juice that maintains functioning of the brain and spine. Yogis judge a body's age on the flexibility of the spine, body and brain function. There is no better exercise EVER than the humble spinal flex and twist (carefully done with a teacher) in every form. This can even be done in a chair by those who are incapicated! The Cat-Cow and spinal flex set the best gift ever. Please utilize it, and pass it on. Satnam. Kind regards, Siri Bandhu Humble Moderator www.ottawaweddingsy ourway.com > Sat Nam dear yogic family, > > I've recently delved into Yin Yoga since I was interested in how it dealt with the deeper aspects of yoga practice, i.e. affecting the connective tissue of the body instead of hatha yoga's obession with the muscle. As part of my research, I bought Paul Grilley's Yin Yoga DVD and watched the 2-hour course included in the DVD set. Yin Yoga distinguishes itself from other yogas by the fact that it stresses the joints of the body, not the muscle, partially to increase the hyaluronic acid in the synovial fluid present in the joints. As part of his course, Grilley mentions that when we create a rhythm and a repetition to an exercise that focuses on the joints, we will undoubtedly get hurt. When he said that, I immediately thought about " Cat Cow " in Kundalini Yoga, where we flex the spine up and down and our head goes up and down in the opposite direction. Does this mean that Kundalini Yoga is in opposition to Yin Yoga? It just sounds like when we do " Cat Cow " for 5 minutes or so that we're undoubtedly causing injury to ourselves, since it works on the joints of our spine in a repeated, rhythmic fashion? > > Thank you, > > Nadh Singh > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 5c. Re: Kundalini Yoga and Yin Yoga Posted by: " dryogi3ho " dryogi dryogi3ho Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:45 pm (PDT) Kundalini-Yoga, " terrarium44 " <terrarium44@ ...> wrote: > > Sat Nam dear yogic family, > > I've recently delved into Yin Yoga since I was interested in how it dealt with the deeper aspects of yoga practice, i.e. affecting the connective tissue of the body instead of hatha yoga's obession with the muscle. As part of my research, I bought Paul Grilley's Yin Yoga DVD and watched the 2-hour course included in the DVD set. Yin Yoga distinguishes itself from other yogas by the fact that it stresses the joints of the body, not the muscle, partially to increase the hyaluronic acid in the synovial fluid present in the joints. As part of his course, Grilley mentions that when we create a rhythm and a repetition to an exercise that focuses on the joints, we will undoubtedly get hurt. When he said that, I immediately thought about " Cat Cow " in Kundalini Yoga, where we flex the spine up and down and our head goes up and down in the opposite direction. Does this mean that Kundalini Yoga is in opposition to Yin Yoga? It just sounds like when we do " Cat Cow " for 5 minutes or so that we're undoubtedly causing injury to ourselves, since it works on the joints of our spine in a repeated, rhythmic fashion? > > Thank you, > > Nadh Singh > Dear Nada Singh Let's start out with some facts. Joints & muscles work together. Increasing a specific element in Synovial fluid is neither beneficial, nor physiologically possible. Cat Cow does not " undoutably " create spinal damage. We are perfect as we are, with our joint fluid, muscles, ligaments, tendons, ear lobes, fat & brain. We all want to avoid undue inflammation of ALL structures. There is no yoga that is only for joints 0r for muscles, this is not possible. Kundalini Yoga uses all these structures, as well as the nervous system & that other stuff: the spirit / soul. Kundalini Yoga is not a physically centered path. Hatha yoga is. It is all good, just different methods. Yin yoga is gentle hatha yoga. Joints have a pathway of motion, that is guided by the muscles, controlled by the Nervous system, which is under the command of the Soul/spirit. When you move the spine for several minutes in " normal motions " the muscles, bones, ligaments, tendons, blood vessels and nervous system ALL participate in this constant, smooth motion. Damage is only done if normal physiological motion develops into abnormal motion, such as turning your foot backwards. Most yoga, uses normal motion. All yoga has a slightly different way to do it. Loose or abnormal motions are not beneficial. Sat Nam & Wahe Guru! Dr Hari S.S. Khalsa Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 6. PRE-WHITE TANTRIC YOGA PREP CLASS IN LA THIS THURSDAY! Posted by: " Sunder Kaur " sunderkaur sunderkaur Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:59 am (PDT) NOTE: I posted this before but I'm not sure if it went through or not because was down for maintenance, so here it is again just in case! Sat nam, Ji's! Get optimal results from this Saturday's White Tantric Course in LA by participating a Pre-White Tantric Yoga Prep Class! It will be held this Thursday, 4/16/09, from 6 to 8 p.m. at the Ray of Light Yoga Center in Los Angeles (in the Brentwood area.) The class will include a lot of stretching in key areas and will specifically target certain parts of the body that sometimes challenge us during White Tantric such as the hips, knees, back, etc... It will also include a powerful, clearing meditation which will help your mind to be laser-sharp, focused and one-pointed on Saturday. A class two days before the event is a wonderful way to prep for the course because most of us try to cram our stretching in between meditations, which usually last only several minutes or so anyway. And this class is for everyone from someone who is new to White Tantric to a person who may have completed this course dozens of times because we will need to stretch and work the kinks out! Trying to stretch during the course can be somewhat challenging because we have to contend with so many other people's body parts in such close vicinity, and it's a small miracle if you can actually do an exercise to it's fullest capacity, though it can be done when everyone who is side-by-side works together If you are new to White Tantric, the class will also include a Q & A session in which those who are more experienced can offer suggestions of what works for them. The topics can range from sore knees to keeping one's focus! All in all, it will be a really fun class that will help you to prepare your body and mind so that you glean everything possible from this transformative course! The cost of the class is 18.00. For more information, please go to: http://www.rayoflig htyogacenter. com Sending lots of blessings your way! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7a. Re: Mantra to immediately reverse course Posted by: " Guruprem Kaur " guruprem gurusbride Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:59 am (PDT) Sat Nam, The mantra is actually Ek Ongkar Sat Gur Prasad, Sat Gur Prasad, Ek Ongkar. When Ong and Kar are pronounced together the nasalized NG merges with K to create a gutteral sound and the crisp " K " disappears. The vibration brings heaven on earth, by the True Guru's Grace. Loving Blesssings come with this mantra's gifts. All Love in Divine, SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa http://www.yogagems .com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 7b. Mantra to immediately reverse course Posted by: " har hari kaur " harharikaur harharikaur Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:00 am (PDT) Ek Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad Sat Gur Prrasad Ek Ong Kar Har Hari Kaur Sukhmani Cambridge Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8a. Mung Beans? Posted by: " wlshlensky " wlshlensky wlshlensky Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:00 am (PDT) Sat Nam! I'm hoping someone can assist. How do I find Mung Beans in the supermarket? I wanted to make mung beans & rice, but can't find Mung beans. Do I need to make them via soaking some other bean? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Wendy Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 8b. Re: Mung Beans? Posted by: " terrarium44 " terrarium44 terrarium44 Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:45 pm (PDT) Sat Nam Wendy, No, as far as I know, Mung Beans are green little seeds about the size of a pencil eraser... maybe even a bit smaller. Nadh Singh Kundalini-Yoga, " wlshlensky " <wlshlensky@ ...> wrote: > > Sat Nam! I'm hoping someone can assist. How do I find Mung Beans in the supermarket? I wanted to make mung beans & rice, but can't find Mung beans. Do I need to make them via soaking some other bean? > > Thank you in advance for any assistance. > Wendy > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 8c. Re: Mung Beans? Posted by: " dryogi3ho " dryogi dryogi3ho Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:45 pm (PDT) Kundalini-Yoga, " wlshlensky " <wlshlensky@ ...> wrote: > > Sat Nam! I'm hoping someone can assist. How do I find Mung Beans in the supermarket? I wanted to make mung beans & rice, but can't find Mung beans. Do I need to make them via soaking some other bean? > > Thank you in advance for any assistance. > Wendy > Try a healthy store that safeway..... .Whole foods, local co-op or " indian Store " Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 9. Mantra to immediately reverse course AND mantra resource Posted by: " Sat Kartar Khalsa " satkartar satkartarmusic Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:42 pm (PDT) Ek Ong Kar Satgur Prasad, Satgur Prasad Ek Ong Kar. Is the mantra you are looking for. Note: it is very powerful so after you chant it, it will amplify in a special way, whatever you speak. So for a period of time afterwards, take some extra care and consideration before you speak or communicate, to consider the impact of what and how you speak... An excellent resource to do a search for recordings with mantras you want, is this link: HYPERLINK " http://spiritvoyage .net/2008/ 08/18/learn- the-kundalini- yoga-mantras/ " http:/ /spiritvoyage. net/2008/ 08/18/learn- the-kundalini- yoga-mantras/ This is a list of mantras from a wonderful comprehensive recording by Gurudass Kaur,. and you can click on the mantra and can see what recordings it appears on. Blessings, Sat-Kartar Kaur Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.53/2054 - Release 4/11/2009 10:51 AM Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 10. Join Gurumarka Singh Khalsa at YogaSoul in Eagan, MN May 2-4! Posted by: " Holly Irlbacker " holly.irlbacker holly.irlbacker Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:43 pm (PDT) International Teacher Trainer, Gurumarka Singh Khalsa of Germany at YogaSoul in Eagan, MN! Topics: Looking Behind the Curtain on the Aquarian Age, Becoming a Spiritual Warrior, Yoga for Spring Renewal Dates: 5/2/2009 - 5/4/2009 Time: 10:00 AM - 5:00 PM Sat, 1:00 - 5:00 PM Sun, & 7-9 PM Mon Cost: $85, $50 & $20 or $130 for all 3 days See: yogasoul-center. com for more information or to register Contact Info: Siri Beant Kaur or Angad Kaur 651-452-5789 Join International Kundalini Yoga Lead Teacher, Gurumarka Singh for eye-opening workshops on the Aquarian Age and becoming a Spiritual Warrior. " Radical changes are happening on the planet. We are moving into the Aquarian Age, a time ruled by awareness and information. This will change how we relate to each other. In this workshop you learn practical, easy and safe techniques to prepare yourself. Join us for a weekend of discovery, insight and fun. " It is amazing what one day can do to a person's life! The workshop will include Kundalini Yoga kriyas, meditations, chanting and some theory. A special day for all levels including beginners, and a great experience if you are interested in furthering your understanding of Kundalini Yoga. Gurumarka has been teaching the art and science of Kundalini Yoga since 1973. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 11a. Re: Gay marraige Posted by: " Sunderta Kaur " grateful2day sleepysadhanick Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:44 pm (PDT) Hi Hannah, I am glad you raised this question of the 3HO stance on Gays. I wonder if anyone responded to it? I went through teacher training a few years ago and have immersed myself into the 3HO community. I took Sikh vows last summer at Summer Solstice and am considering taking Amrit, the full Sikh baptism. I wear bana and a turban in public and am living as a Sikh. I am also an out Lesbian and have been for 25 years. Did you know that there is a group of GLBT people associated with 3HO who have formed to support one another around questions such as yours? We are called the Rainbow Sangat and I can give you the information for our if you don't already have it. I have heard that Yogiji said a lot of different things about homosexuality. Some of it was positive and some of it negative. I don't know that Yogi Bhajan was clear, himself, on where he stood on homosexuality. I wonder if some of his cultural biases didn't influence his position. It appears to me that his ideas were evolving over time. Quite frankly, I just think he didn't quite know what to do with us. And I believe that he also knew that homosexuality was a problematic social issue that had the potential of being divisive but would ultimately become less and less of an issue. I choose to believe that he knew that homophobic beliefs would not be sustainable in The Aquarian Age and so he did not take a stand on homosexuality, but instead left it up to us to figure out. After all, many problems, when left alone, just fall away. So he left it up to the shifting consciousness of the Aquarian Age to take care of this issue and for us to figure out. As for the Humanology teachings, they are definitely very heterosexist. And I have found that the 3HO community in general is very heterosexist. At Solstice there is very much a " Don't ask, don't tell " feel unlike anything I have experienced before. The feeling of invisibility is stifling. But I managed to find other glbt people and have not tried to hide my sexuality in any way. In the innocence of many of the heterosexual members of the community, they are oblivious to this fact. Most people I have encountered honestly believe that it is a supportive community where everyone is welcome and they don't understand why anyone would feel insecure. Especially since they, themselves, don't have any issues personally with glbt people and like to think of themselves as supportive. For many of them, it is simply a non-issue. But for those of us coming in to such a community it can feel very unsafe, especially when we have a long history of being welcomed into communities that then try to change us or exile us. For what it's worth, I personally have not experienced any outward hostility, verbal or otherwise from anyone in 3HO or Sikh Dharma. And I think that is something these organizations should be proud of. There are some who have presented some ridiculously ignorant ideas. But you get that everywhere. One thing I will say about this community is that if you have issues that you are struggling with around your sexuality people are not likely to rush in to save you from such a gift. This is true about other issues you may be struggling with as well. This may be part of why the community can seem unwelcoming at first. People will sympathize, but they don't tend to interfere in your process. I think this is a good thing. What I have come to with the Humanology teachings is that I take them for what they are worth, a heterosexual teacher, teaching to heterosexuals about heterosexuality. I love the teachings, but I don't look to them for any kind of approval or recognition of my existence or identity. It is such a primal thing to come to this community and technology with a longing to belong. I think everyone brings that with them. But as a lesbian I need to be realistic. Who is really qualified to teach me about being a Lesbian? The answer is other Lesbians. So I take our obvious omissions and the unanswered questions with a grain of salt. One thing Yogi Bhajan was clear on is that to be a KY teacher or to be a Sikh it was up to the individual to initiate themselves. There's this way in which as glbt people we have learned to somehow ask for the permission of heterosexual people to be who we are. And then if we don't get that, we feel hurt, angry and abused. But in a way we set ourselves up for it. I am grateful that I get to initiate myself. Because it means that I don't have to ask anyone else's permission. I believe that my soul doesn't have a sexuality or a sexual orientation. And my sexual orientation is not WHO I truly am anyways. The course my soul charts is between me and God, and no one else can either give me permission or approval any more than they can stand in my way, although some people may certainly try. I hope this helps. I thought your questions deserved a response. And yet, I don't know that anyone really feels qualified to respond. It may be that there are no simple or blanket answers. Perhaps the answers need to be lived instead. I have tried to speak on behalf of myself and my experiences and not on behalf of anyone else or the communities in general. I hope what I have said is taken in that spirit. Sat Nam, Sunderta Kaur Kundalini-Yoga, Hannah <hannahakent@ ...> wrote: > > Dear group -- I only have a phone as a computer right now so my editing abilities are limited and I initially sent this message from my other account... If you have a moment please scroll down ... To the next " dear group " ... > > Thank you , > > Hannah > > > > Dear group, > > I agave gone through the KRI level 1 kundalini teacher training (in 2005), and find myself deeply drawn to not only the teachings of yogi bhajan, but also the sikh identity. > > However, what I have read so far and what I fear is that gays and lesbians are not understood or respected within the yogi bhajan world ... That it is explained as a previous life mixed up with the present etc. And basically invalidated as a genuine reality/identity. . > > My question/statement/ confusion is this ... > > While I agree that many people both gay and straight could learn from the modesty and grace of which yogi bhajan speaks ... I'm afraid he neglects to take in the complexities of biology ... What then is a transsex or dualy sexed person (one born with both sex parts)? > > And if god has created men with woman parts and women with man parts (to put it plainly) could She have created men with woman's brains woman's minds and so forth. In addition could not also our bodies be seen as less important than our true souls and our true soulmates? > > But i will step off my soap box ending with this final question. > > What is the 3ho stance on gay marraige, gay identity and gay rights? > > Could textual recommendations, lectures be suggested? To give me more targeted research? > > Thank you in advance for your time and thoughtful responses, > > Hannah > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 11b. Re: Gay marraige Posted by: " siribandhu " siribandhu siribandhu Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:12 pm (PDT) Dear Sundertaji, Thank you for your informative reply. You have brought clear light to the question. There is also a group in the council that is for gay consideration or whatever. How does one sanction the rights of another? By not infringing on their rights that's how one sanctions the rights of the other. Therefore, there is no action. As for the non-action of the 3HO group, the commitment to kundalini is a commitment to the Self and to the Soul. Therefore, no one outside of you can do it for you. We have no rainbow banners flying. There are no KY banners flying either. The acceptance of the Self isn't easy, whatever your life choices are. Your choices are your choices and only you live with them. Once as a woman, I thought that men had it better. When I took a good look, I realized it isn't better, just different. It is the same with straights and gays. When gays say " We're not accepted by (whoever, name goes here). " It just isn't true. How do you know what I am thinking unless I am asked? This isn't to say there isn't prejudice of all kinds even in the KY community. We are all here because we are trying. We are not here because we have it " all figured out. " Blanket remarks are silly and extremely lacking in the compassion that is being requested. Many of us are straight, gay, lesbian, bi, transgendered and so are our children, parents, aunts and uncles. So what? When you can find a partner who treats you well and supports you in your path and in your soul, this is rare indeed. " I don't care who or what you are, just don't pretend you are what you aren't, " is my mantra on this or any other subject. Kind regards, Siri Bandhu Humble Moderator www.ottawaweddingsy ourway.com - In Kundalini-Yoga, " Sunderta Kaur " <grateful2day@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Hannah, > I am glad you raised this question of the 3HO stance on Gays. I wonder if anyone responded to it? I went through teacher training a few years ago and have immersed myself into the 3HO community. I took Sikh vows last summer at Summer Solstice and am considering taking Amrit, the full Sikh baptism. I wear bana and a turban in public and am living as a Sikh. I am also an out Lesbian and have been for 25 years. Did you know that there is a group of GLBT people associated with 3HO who have formed to support one another around questions such as yours? We are called the Rainbow Sangat and I can give you the information for our if you don't already have it. > > I have heard that Yogiji said a lot of different things about homosexuality. Some of it was positive and some of it negative. I don't know that Yogi Bhajan was clear, himself, on where he stood on homosexuality. I wonder if some of his cultural biases didn't influence his position. It appears to me that his ideas were evolving over time. Quite frankly, I just think he didn't quite know what to do with us. And I believe that he also knew that homosexuality was a problematic social issue that had the potential of being divisive but would ultimately become less and less of an issue. I choose to believe that he knew that homophobic beliefs would not be sustainable in The Aquarian Age and so he did not take a stand on homosexuality, but instead left it up to us to figure out. After all, many problems, when left alone, just fall away. So he left it up to the shifting consciousness of the Aquarian Age to take care of this issue and for us to figure out. > > As for the Humanology teachings, they are definitely very heterosexist. And I have found that the 3HO community in general is very heterosexist. At Solstice there is very much a " Don't ask, don't tell " feel unlike anything I have experienced before. The feeling of invisibility is stifling. But I managed to find other glbt people and have not tried to hide my sexuality in any way. In the innocence of many of the heterosexual members of the community, they are oblivious to this fact. Most people I have encountered honestly believe that it is a supportive community where everyone is welcome and they don't understand why anyone would feel insecure. Especially since they, themselves, don't have any issues personally with glbt people and like to think of themselves as supportive. For many of them, it is simply a non-issue. But for those of us coming in to such a community it can feel very unsafe, especially when we have a long history of being welcomed into communities that then try to change us or exile us. For what it's worth, I personally have not experienced any outward hostility, verbal or otherwise from anyone in 3HO or Sikh Dharma. And I think that is something these organizations should be proud of. There are some who have presented some ridiculously ignorant ideas. But you get that everywhere. > One thing I will say about this community is that if you have issues that you are struggling with around your sexuality people are not likely to rush in to save you from such a gift. This is true about other issues you may be struggling with as well. This may be part of why the community can seem unwelcoming at first. People will sympathize, but they don't tend to interfere in your process. I think this is a good thing. > > What I have come to with the Humanology teachings is that I take them for what they are worth, a heterosexual teacher, teaching to heterosexuals about heterosexuality. I love the teachings, but I don't look to them for any kind of approval or recognition of my existence or identity. It is such a primal thing to come to this community and technology with a longing to belong. I think everyone brings that with them. But as a lesbian I need to be realistic. Who is really qualified to teach me about being a Lesbian? The answer is other Lesbians. So I take our obvious omissions and the unanswered questions with a grain of salt. > > One thing Yogi Bhajan was clear on is that to be a KY teacher or to be a Sikh it was up to the individual to initiate themselves. There's this way in which as glbt people we have learned to somehow ask for the permission of heterosexual people to be who we are. And then if we don't get that, we feel hurt, angry and abused. But in a way we set ourselves up for it. I am grateful that I get to initiate myself. Because it means that I don't have to ask anyone else's permission. I believe that my soul doesn't have a sexuality or a sexual orientation. And my sexual orientation is not WHO I truly am anyways. The course my soul charts is between me and God, and no one else can either give me permission or approval any more than they can stand in my way, although some people may certainly try. > > I hope this helps. I thought your questions deserved a response. And yet, I don't know that anyone really feels qualified to respond. It may be that there are no simple or blanket answers. Perhaps the answers need to be lived instead. I have tried to speak on behalf of myself and my experiences and not on behalf of anyone else or the communities in general. I hope what I have said is taken in that spirit. > > Sat Nam, > Sunderta Kaur > > > Kundalini-Yoga, Hannah <hannahakent@ > wrote: > > > > Dear group -- I only have a phone as a computer right now so my editing abilities are limited and I initially sent this message from my other account... If you have a moment please scroll down ... To the next " dear group " ... > > > > Thank you , > > > > Hannah > > > > > > > > Dear group, > > > > I agave gone through the KRI level 1 kundalini teacher training (in 2005), and find myself deeply drawn to not only the teachings of yogi bhajan, but also the sikh identity. > > > > However, what I have read so far and what I fear is that gays and lesbians are not understood or respected within the yogi bhajan world ... That it is explained as a previous life mixed up with the present etc. And basically invalidated as a genuine reality/identity. . > > > > My question/statement/ confusion is this ... > > > > While I agree that many people both gay and straight could learn from the modesty and grace of which yogi bhajan speaks ... I'm afraid he neglects to take in the complexities of biology ... What then is a transsex or dualy sexed person (one born with both sex parts)? > > > > And if god has created men with woman parts and women with man parts (to put it plainly) could She have created men with woman's brains woman's minds and so forth. In addition could not also our bodies be seen as less important than our true souls and our true soulmates? > > > > But i will step off my soap box ending with this final question. > > > > What is the 3ho stance on gay marraige, gay identity and gay rights? > > > > Could textual recommendations, lectures be suggested? To give me more targeted research? > > > > Thank you in advance for your time and thoughtful responses, > > > > Hannah > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 12a. Re: Gonging my Roses!......and Pop tarts Posted by: " samantha " star44 samanthapaigegraeber Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:11 pm (PDT) Sat nam all, I love the idea of a portable gong. Where can you get one?? Sat Nam, Ardas/Samantha Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 13a. Re: Support, Meditations, Kriyas for PTSD and Abuse Posted by: " mjcometa " mcometa mjcometa Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:11 pm (PDT) Sat Nam Satpal Kaur, Thank you for your advice. Blessings Meher Bani Kaur Kundalini-Yoga, " Stephenie Lawton " <balletstef@ ...> wrote: > > Beginners' sets are good. Kundalini Yoga can bring up PTS that a student is unaware of, as well. Taking things slowly, starting with just 26 repetitions, relaxing on the back between exercises, and working gradually help. I have found KY to be exceptionally helpful in clearing the energy of PTS. Aura cleansing baths with epsom salts and baking soda, and keeping the home and car clean, orderly and well cared for also help. Sets for the magnetic field are also beneficial. The Preparation For Meditation Set in Transitions For a Heart Centered World is another good one that comes to mind. > > Satpal Kaur > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 14a. Re: Meditations for procrastination/motivation? Posted by: " filipstoj " filipfilip filipstoj Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:12 pm (PDT) I like the idea of a brain balancing Kriya helping out... I think that when you are procrastinating, something is out of balance between what you want/need to get done and your actions to make it happen. Whether through what you vocalize, or think, your hypothalamus, pineal and pituitary regulate some of these decisions (I'm flying by the seat of my pants here) and I would imagine something like a Kirtan Kriya would do very nicely for adjusting the regulating mechanism up there. Actually, I have been doing a meditation from Guru Dev Singh for the last 18-20 days which is very similar to Kirtan Kriya, And it took me about until now (3 weeks) to begin to snap out of my doldrums/procrastin ation... I'm not feeling like " miracle energy " or anything... I'm just beginning to absorb the fundamental reality that doing even a little something is better than nothing. I would also suggest Sa Ta Na Ma 2nd Wave on page 57 of infinity & me. Or the Balancing Projection with Intention kriya on page 56. In the same book, on pg 51, you'll see a page of excerpts from Yogi Bhajan lectures where he gives you the Mantra to Open up Blockages in Your Life. He said " it is the biggest lever available to you among mantras " : Aad such, Jugaad Such, HaiBhee such, Naanak hosee Bhay such. " All that is stopped shall move " And then there's page 65 too... " Ek ong Kar sat Gur Prasaad " - " magic mantra " that... " makes the mind so powerful it will remove all obstacles " - YB. Of course, I think that any succession of amrit sadhanas will probably also do the trick... Since sadhana is personal victory, that is pretty much the opposite of personal procrastination. -Fateh Singh Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) Recent Activity 9 New Members 1 New LinksVisit Your Group Mom Power Kids, family & home Join the discussion w/ John McEnroe Join the All-Bran Day 10 Club. Check out the Y! Groups blog Stay up to speed on all things Groups! Need to Reply? Click one of the " Reply " links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! See how I do it: WealthResource.org. Obama Increases Financial Aid for Higher Education - Think You Qualify for Increased Benefits? I make $350/day online. That's over $10,000/mo! 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