Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Dear Innerkiss, Many people will say here that smoking marijuana is really bad for you, they are probably right, and drugs are not the context in KY. However, people then go to far and go on about Vedic Purity etc. Look innerkiss, Lord Shiva (Vedic Rudra) adores intoxicants, simply loves them, he and shakti in her non-domestic form (Kali) go to the graveyard and get blottoed, dancing wildly all night with the spirits. And remember Lord Shiva is THE KING of yogi's, what he can do, well that is REALLY advanced. The truth is in India ALL paths to the Divine are sacred and honoured, literally everything exists there. So this hardcore purity way is just a way, it has it's benefits and it's downsides. Before new kid on the block (America) devised its war on drugs (or war on everything), in India as well as in the U.K. most drugs which we now call illegal were freely available over the counter. And we didn't have the terrible consequences of this prohibition, which is a whole swathe of society criminalized. If you want to know why there is so much crime, look no further than this policy. Look, I smoke marijuana everyday, I wish to stop but find it is the only thing that makes life - make sense, without it I can't even do the yoga. Now that is not goood (please don't mention N.A. and her stepsisters - that is another post). So if you don't smoke a lot of marijuana, keep it that way, if you don't need to smoke and can get on with your yoga, then that would be sensible. The problem mostly is that there are no good Guru's around (local wise people) to help us, so we initiate ourselves, and end up like myself. Probably Marijuana affects the grey matter, why wouldn't it. Anyway have to go, have my daughter here and am distracted, just wanted to stop the conversation sliding into good/bad right/wrong netherworlds. Best wishes, Paul.Sukhnivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Sat nam. Yogi Bhajan said many things in his lectures over in the past that science is only now finding to be true. He often spoke of the future, spoke for the future and to the future. It's possible this 'study' you refer to could be found to be wrong in the future, isn't it? Or perhaps the study is biased. On the other hand, Yogi Bhajan could of just been saying what people needed to hear to stop damaging their brains further. Most likely, in this matter I'd give him the benefit of the doubt -- it certainly isn't good for you. But if you are concerned about getting back to pre-pot gray matter form, he also gave us a 3-day cleanse diet that he said was the only thing that will remove the residual effects of pot from the brain. Eat 3 meals per day of 3 bananas each with the stringy parts, and 1 raw cardamon seed each meal. So that's 9 bananas per day and 3 seeds per day for 3 days total. Drink water with this, and also, in practice, I found that this mixture very is tough on the gums, so be sure to brush and floss well after each meal. Doing at least 108 bowing Jap Sahibs during this fast each day can't hurt, or chanting " Ong So Hung " in Gurpranam for 3 mins with LDB. And just as importantly, forgive yourself the guilt of having smoked something into your body for whatever reason you did. Bon cleanse! FS Kundalini-Yoga , " innerkiss " <innerkiss wrote: > > I read somewhere yogi bhajan said that if you smoke marijuana even once the grey matter of your brain will never be the same again. But new studies show that marijuana use does not cause permanent brain damage especially after one time use. Is it possible that yogi bhajan had a bias towards marijuana? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 What Yogji said was that it blocked the cerebral spinal fluid at the base of the skull and made the breath more shallow. However when I did smoke I found that could be taken care of by lots of breath of fire, neck rolls and Sat kryia. The whole human body is more pliable than you have imagined. You can also use Basil to detox (this is what they use in China)and smoke it with sage and calamus root. If you are going to do it, use common sense and take care of yourself. As one of yogji's earliest students I remember this all quite well. Many of us were stoned out hippies when we first met Yogji. I remember people coming to class on LSD. But as we became more organized over the years and businesses started, of course this getting stoned had to stop. It was not that hard to do because early kundalini yoga was very pranayama driven. This came up recently with two of my female students. Both smoked and asked me if it was ok. I found that they did not have a consistent practice or sahdna. I made them start doing long bouts of Long Ek Ong Kar chant. They both stopped smoking after two weeks. They said they just didn't need it any more. You must realize this was our first sahdna in 3HO...2 1/2 of Long Ek Ong Kar's. Do that and lighten your diet, and there is no marijuana that can take you to those heights. You must lengthen your practice time and your pranayama. It was easier for us in the early days because us early hippies moved into ashrams and we practice long and hard. Kundalini yoga is a wonder, but sometimes you have to push yourself harder. People now days don't seem to have the umphhh we had back then, when 3HO took off like a shot and traveled around the world in a short amount of time. I wonder how people today will ever reach those heights. I hear excuses like " well those were different times " ....baaaaa....work harder............ Kirantana Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote: > > Sat nam. > > Yogi Bhajan said many things in his lectures over in the past that science is only now finding to be true. He often spoke of the future, spoke for the future and to the future. It's possible this 'study' you refer to could be found to be wrong in the future, isn't it? Or perhaps the study is biased. > > On the other hand, Yogi Bhajan could of just been saying what people needed to hear to stop damaging their brains further. > > Most likely, in this matter I'd give him the benefit of the doubt -- it certainly isn't good for you. But if you are concerned about getting back to pre-pot gray matter form, he also gave us a 3-day cleanse diet that he said was the only thing that will remove the residual effects of pot from the brain. > > Eat 3 meals per day of 3 bananas each with the stringy parts, and 1 raw cardamon seed each meal. So that's 9 bananas per day and 3 seeds per day for 3 days total. Drink water with this, and also, in practice, I found that this mixture very is tough on the gums, so be sure to brush and floss well after each meal. > > Doing at least 108 bowing Jap Sahibs during this fast each day can't hurt, or chanting " Ong So Hung " in Gurpranam for 3 mins with LDB. > > And just as importantly, forgive yourself the guilt of having smoked something into your body for whatever reason you did. > > Bon cleanse! > > FS > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " innerkiss " <innerkiss@> wrote: > > > > I read somewhere yogi bhajan said that if you smoke marijuana even once the grey matter of your brain will never be the same again. But new studies show that marijuana use does not cause permanent brain damage especially after one time use. Is it possible that yogi bhajan had a bias towards marijuana? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 sat nam and not to beat a dead horse, however, is it totally immoral to be a pot smoker and a kundalini practitioner? i practice my yoga and mantra daily and you say that my practice is nulled, from my weed habit? don't get me wrong- i know it's a habit and it's not good-but it doesn't feel evil. plus, i've gone thru teachers training and practiced yoga for over 15 years now- all under the influence. i am not proud of this, but my desire to smoke is always more than my desire to not smoke. many other folk in the kundalini world are the same as me, so it's a common thing in the 3HO community. i've tried so many times to give it up, that i've given up trying to give it up. who cares anymore? doesn't god love me exactly as i am? am i unable to be used by the Infinite, because of my weakness? am i not beautiful, even with my flaws? it would be good to have support with this, instead of the old catholic iron hand of 'your bad' pointing at me. i've fasted, cleansed, done hours of breath work for years and here i am.....how does one shift this block and how can i even desire to be rid of it? in the long run.....? Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote: > > Sat nam. > > Yogi Bhajan said many things in his lectures over in the past that science is only now finding to be true. He often spoke of the future, spoke for the future and to the future. It's possible this 'study' you refer to could be found to be wrong in the future, isn't it? Or perhaps the study is biased. > > On the other hand, Yogi Bhajan could of just been saying what people needed to hear to stop damaging their brains further. > > Most likely, in this matter I'd give him the benefit of the doubt -- it certainly isn't good for you. But if you are concerned about getting back to pre-pot gray matter form, he also gave us a 3-day cleanse diet that he said was the only thing that will remove the residual effects of pot from the brain. > > Eat 3 meals per day of 3 bananas each with the stringy parts, and 1 raw cardamon seed each meal. So that's 9 bananas per day and 3 seeds per day for 3 days total. Drink water with this, and also, in practice, I found that this mixture very is tough on the gums, so be sure to brush and floss well after each meal. > > Doing at least 108 bowing Jap Sahibs during this fast each day can't hurt, or chanting " Ong So Hung " in Gurpranam for 3 mins with LDB. > > And just as importantly, forgive yourself the guilt of having smoked something into your body for whatever reason you did. > > Bon cleanse! > > FS > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " innerkiss " <innerkiss@> wrote: > > > > I read somewhere yogi bhajan said that if you smoke marijuana even once the grey matter of your brain will never be the same again. But new studies show that marijuana use does not cause permanent brain damage especially after one time use. Is it possible that yogi bhajan had a bias towards marijuana? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I think the answer would come from sincerely asking yourself WHY you do kundalini yoga. The very fact that you are asking these questions shows that you have not taken yoga to it's true conclusion...radical self-trust and living with no hesitation. We all fall into a comfort zone when doing these practices...we get to a certain level of self-satisfaction...do enough to appease our little voices in the night. But this yoga is not for the purpose of " getting high " or just merely " feeling good " about oneself. It is to prepare the nervous system to channel Universal energy for the purpose of SERVING... In Tantrik Buddhist scripture they give a definition for " Energy " ... " The joy of total involvement. " How can you be totally involved when a big part of your mind is in self-doubt. So weather it is right or wrong...it is not taking you to where you want to go. Rather than turn this into a big issue, I think it would be more productive to look and see how you can use what you know to serve more...something that engages all your interest. Focus on that and forget about " the desire to be rid of it. " And of course God loves you, and you are beautiful... but your lungs might not agree with me With peace Kirantana Kundalini-Yoga , hearingseeingspeaking <no_reply wrote: > > > > > sat nam and not to beat a dead horse, > however, is it totally immoral to be a pot smoker > and a kundalini practitioner? i practice my yoga > and mantra daily and you say that my practice is > nulled, from my weed habit? > don't get me wrong- i know it's a habit and it's > not good-but it doesn't feel evil. plus, i've gone > thru teachers training and practiced yoga for over > 15 years now- all under the influence. > i am not proud of this, but my desire to smoke is > always more than my desire to not smoke. > many other folk in the kundalini world are the same > as me, so it's a common thing in the 3HO community. > i've tried so many times to give it up, that i've given > up trying to give it up. who cares anymore? doesn't > god love me exactly as i am? am i unable to be used > by the Infinite, because of my weakness? am i not beautiful, > even with my flaws? > it would be good to have support with this, instead of > the old catholic iron hand of 'your bad' pointing at me. > i've fasted, cleansed, done hours of breath work for years > and here i am.....how does one shift this block and > how can i even desire to be rid of it? in the long run.....? > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc@> wrote: > > > > Sat nam. > > > > Yogi Bhajan said many things in his lectures over in the past that science is only now finding to be true. He often spoke of the future, spoke for the future and to the future. It's possible this 'study' you refer to could be found to be wrong in the future, isn't it? Or perhaps the study is biased. > > > > On the other hand, Yogi Bhajan could of just been saying what people needed to hear to stop damaging their brains further. > > > > Most likely, in this matter I'd give him the benefit of the doubt -- it certainly isn't good for you. But if you are concerned about getting back to pre-pot gray matter form, he also gave us a 3-day cleanse diet that he said was the only thing that will remove the residual effects of pot from the brain. > > > > Eat 3 meals per day of 3 bananas each with the stringy parts, and 1 raw cardamon seed each meal. So that's 9 bananas per day and 3 seeds per day for 3 days total. Drink water with this, and also, in practice, I found that this mixture very is tough on the gums, so be sure to brush and floss well after each meal. > > > > Doing at least 108 bowing Jap Sahibs during this fast each day can't hurt, or chanting " Ong So Hung " in Gurpranam for 3 mins with LDB. > > > > And just as importantly, forgive yourself the guilt of having smoked something into your body for whatever reason you did. > > > > Bon cleanse! > > > > FS > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " innerkiss " <innerkiss@> wrote: > > > > > > I read somewhere yogi bhajan said that if you smoke marijuana even once the grey matter of your brain will never be the same again. But new studies show that marijuana use does not cause permanent brain damage especially after one time use. Is it possible that yogi bhajan had a bias towards marijuana? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 If you do want to stop, get David Shannahoff-Khalsa's book Kundalini Yoga Meditation. He has a protocol in there for overcoming addictions (to anything), and it works! After 3 weeks of doing this practice daily, the compulsion simply went away - for me at least. It's worth a try if you desire a change. Good luck! Kundalini-Yoga , hearingseeingspeaking <no_reply wrote: > > > > > sat nam and not to beat a dead horse, > however, is it totally immoral to be a pot smoker > and a kundalini practitioner? i practice my yoga > and mantra daily and you say that my practice is > nulled, from my weed habit? > don't get me wrong- i know it's a habit and it's > not good-but it doesn't feel evil. plus, i've gone > thru teachers training and practiced yoga for over > 15 years now- all under the influence. > i am not proud of this, but my desire to smoke is > always more than my desire to not smoke. > many other folk in the kundalini world are the same > as me, so it's a common thing in the 3HO community. > i've tried so many times to give it up, that i've given > up trying to give it up. who cares anymore? doesn't > god love me exactly as i am? am i unable to be used > by the Infinite, because of my weakness? am i not beautiful, > even with my flaws? > it would be good to have support with this, instead of > the old catholic iron hand of 'your bad' pointing at me. > i've fasted, cleansed, done hours of breath work for years > and here i am.....how does one shift this block and > how can i even desire to be rid of it? in the long run.....? > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc@> wrote: > > > > Sat nam. > > > > Yogi Bhajan said many things in his lectures over in the past that science is only now finding to be true. He often spoke of the future, spoke for the future and to the future. It's possible this 'study' you refer to could be found to be wrong in the future, isn't it? Or perhaps the study is biased. > > > > On the other hand, Yogi Bhajan could of just been saying what people needed to hear to stop damaging their brains further. > > > > Most likely, in this matter I'd give him the benefit of the doubt -- it certainly isn't good for you. But if you are concerned about getting back to pre-pot gray matter form, he also gave us a 3-day cleanse diet that he said was the only thing that will remove the residual effects of pot from the brain. > > > > Eat 3 meals per day of 3 bananas each with the stringy parts, and 1 raw cardamon seed each meal. So that's 9 bananas per day and 3 seeds per day for 3 days total. Drink water with this, and also, in practice, I found that this mixture very is tough on the gums, so be sure to brush and floss well after each meal. > > > > Doing at least 108 bowing Jap Sahibs during this fast each day can't hurt, or chanting " Ong So Hung " in Gurpranam for 3 mins with LDB. > > > > And just as importantly, forgive yourself the guilt of having smoked something into your body for whatever reason you did. > > > > Bon cleanse! > > > > FS > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " innerkiss " <innerkiss@> wrote: > > > > > > I read somewhere yogi bhajan said that if you smoke marijuana even once the grey matter of your brain will never be the same again. But new studies show that marijuana use does not cause permanent brain damage especially after one time use. Is it possible that yogi bhajan had a bias towards marijuana? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 This is my first post. I joined the group because of my interest in yoga and have looked in off and on. Both my husband and I just recently got initiated into Kriya Laya under a Himalayan monk. The post yoga and drugs just popped out, even though I've never done drugs of any sort. However, I certainly don't sit in judgment of anyone who does. When we got initiated we had to be vegetarians which we are. We are also supposed to eat consciously, which I certainly don't, and to be as green as possible, which I also need to work on. Who is to say one thing is worse than the other? When I do practice what we are supposed to practice I do find sense desires falling away, which he said would happen. I think I have many lifetimes ahead of me in working on all of this. Jerri http://justjera.wordpress.com/ Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22 " <22taro wrote: > > Ha Ha, good for you HSS, only marijuana can save the people and the planet, but the powers that be would rather us be drinking, eating McDonalds, driving polluting cars, and making money. For smoking we are put in jail, have to buy rubbish dope, and are seen as lower class entities. If 3HO people are also into mary J, then you have inspired me to check them out, YB rode on the hippy sixties, Man we have had the rave scene siince then and XTC, which the PTB crushed to promote alcohol again. We need a new Guru who is a bit in touch with what has happened since the sixties, talk about out of touch. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Welcome Jerri.....lots of experienced and dedicated people here...you'll always find someone here wanting to help with any questions about the yoga path that pop up for you..... K Kundalini-Yoga , jerrischlenker <no_reply wrote: > > This is my first post. I joined the group because of my interest in yoga and have looked in off and on. Both my husband and I just recently got initiated into Kriya Laya under a Himalayan monk. > > The post yoga and drugs just popped out, even though I've never done drugs of any sort. However, I certainly don't sit in judgment of anyone who does. When we got initiated we had to be vegetarians which we are. We are also supposed to eat consciously, which I certainly don't, and to be as green as possible, which I also need to work on. Who is to say one thing is worse than the other? > > When I do practice what we are supposed to practice I do find sense desires falling away, which he said would happen. > > I think I have many lifetimes ahead of me in working on all of this. > > Jerri > http://justjera.wordpress.com/ > > Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22@ " <22taro@> wrote: > > > > Ha Ha, good for you HSS, only marijuana can save the people and the planet, but the powers that be would rather us be drinking, eating McDonalds, driving polluting cars, and making money. For smoking we are put in jail, have to buy rubbish dope, and are seen as lower class entities. If 3HO people are also into mary J, then you have inspired me to check them out, YB rode on the hippy sixties, Man we have had the rave scene siince then and XTC, which the PTB crushed to promote alcohol again. We need a new Guru who is a bit in touch with what has happened since the sixties, talk about out of touch. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 SatnamWhen I first starting doing Kundalini Yoga in 1972 many of my first efforts outside of classes were undertaken after smoking pot. After some time I determined it was interfering with my capacity to concentrate/meditate. After not too long I left the pot smoking habit which I had embraced for likely 4-5 years and felt that in some way it may have helped me find Kundalini Yoga.It has been 37 years since then - I still believe it likely interferes with deeper meditation. Blessings to all. Jot Singh www.thekhalsaraj.com www.khalsakirpans.comWatch the Artisan-made kirpan video-click below!www.khalsakirpans.com/artisankirpan1/videowww.lifeknives.comVisit me on Facebook-www.facebook.com/jot.s.khalsaIt's not the life that matters-It's the courage you bring to it.The Three Laws of ProsperityBe kind to everyoneNever speak ill of anyoneNever speak ill of yourselfYogi Bhajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.