Dollar Crash = crash of Illusions - Reality is preferable

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam, Paul --

Thank you for expressing in such pure and concentrated form what is the essence

of " Negative Male Ego. " It's true, you've done a beautiful job of that. This

point of view is a cosmic constituent of reality which is archetypally

understood when you have Sa, Ta and Na WITHOUT the " Ma. " Sa-Ta-Na (like Lucifer

- ie., " Light " ) is an archetype which suffers in the NA (Death state) until it

is released to the MA for renewed life, another inspiration, or another

incarnation. It's so wonderful that you've found a way to speak from what is

normally the oppressing isolation of being in the " Na state. " In other words,

in plain language, you're talking like a man who is already Dead. It is not

threatening to me to talk with a dead person, but to talk with a dead person who

has no anticipation of the MA which always follows death, this is unique. The

form of death your expressing is without any hope. And that is the cause of

your pain. The archetype your invoking and playing with is quite simply

(without fear or superstition) the essence of a fatal satanic state. If you

want to prove that for yourself, it is an available option. The pain of regret

on that path is unbearable. Your choice.

 

I lived in such a state for months in 1967, early 1968 (age 23) where I

perceived with all the intensity you're describing. But for me it was from the

hopeless outlook of " No LOVE " - not the kind of hatred you are describing.

You're different in that respect, but underlying you know the pain of NO LOVE.

That is your trigger, the macho bravado you're expressing is like a superficial

pity party. I hope that you don't believe that you're the world champion of

hopelessness, because you aren't. There are many who are more hopeless than you,

who are also more courageous than you, more generous than you, more kind than

you, who do not project their own bitter nihilism onto others. You are praying

to increase the suffering of others, which is a karma of spiritual ego. There's

no cure for it. You'll be stuck there if you die in that state, because you're

kicking away the only ladder that a hopeless person can have, which is the MA

force of the universe who's been nurturing you with every new breath, in what is

perhaps a hopeless attempt to replace your hatred with Love. But the lock on

the door of your heart is on the inside. You don't HAVE to allow it in, but

then you're stuck breathing your own brain farts forever. If this is your

choice, then you are the author of your own tragedy. In reality, from the

outside, your scenario looks like comedy - pointless, silly, self-imposed,

self-chosen in the stubborness of holding your breath until you turn blue and

pass out. But HEY, then the MA overrides your will and your comatose

intelligence, and you begin to breath again, (breath = spirit, is the basis of

inspiration. All your 100 Trillion Cells rebel against your ego, authoritarian

negative will and ego, because THEY want to live even though your ego in its

misery does not.

 

Drink your own urine, do whatever you want. It's all within you. But the state

you're invoking is a hell realm, and it is one option. But as soon as you've

arrived, you'll want to be somewhere else where your suffering will end.

 

As I contemplated ending my own life (for months in 1967-68) as I experienced a

kind of cosmic suffering beyond what I would have regarded as a pity party, I

eventually realized that IF I were to sever my one connection with all the

seemingly impossible possibilities by destroying my bodily life, it seemed clear

that IF the pain and suffering didn't stop with the cessation of bodily life,

then the DISEMBODIED REALITY OF SUFFERING MIGHT NOT EVER END, which would have

been the ultimate failure to end suffering.

 

AND SO, I rejected the " take my own life " scenario as a hopeless illusion and

forcefully expressed an alternative path, which I have taken, " Saying 'F*** it

then, I'll Live! " - and from there vowed to FIND some way to restore wholeness,

vitality, intelligence, skill, balance and GRACE to my life, and sincerely

called on the power of Love in the universe to allow it to be so. The next 2

years were like living in purgatory, walking a mail route as a hippie mailman in

St. Louis MO, until ALL the factors necessary had manifested that allowed me,

and led me to be guided to relocate to New Mexico, and to Santa Fe NM, where I

was quite miraculously guided to the First Living, House of Guru Ram Das that

ever existed in North America (Maharaj Ashram in Santa Fe), that had ONLY been

established a few weeks before that by Siri Singh Sahib Yogi Bhajan ji, after

Summer Solstice 1969. After that first yoga class, sitting in Dawson Hayward's

airestream mobile home, I saw the Tratakam Meditation Picture on the wall, and

the Universe itself Clicked a smile and I recognized the answer to every prayer

I had ever made.

 

It's not clear that you have the courage to face your own lying self-talk. I

walked up to the doorway where your self talk is taking you, looked across the

threshold, and said, " Not for me. This is the path of self-hatred, arrogance,

and the misfortune of Fools. " If that is your choice, perhaps in some future

aeon you'll meet a compassionate Bodhisattva there who incarnated out of deep

compassion, to assist you in your healing, if that is what it will take to make

you want to heal rather than destroy the lives of others and yours.

 

So, one way or the other, by hook or by crook, Sat Nam, Paul. And, Adios.

Human Life is precious and easily destroyed and very difficult to regain if you

abuse it. Use it well or lose it for an unbearably long time. Stay in touch

when you can.

 

Blessings,

Krishna Singh

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22 " <22taro wrote:

>

> Dear KY Group,

> I pray everyday for the dollar crash, World war III, pole shifts, earthquakes

and alien wars.

> I find nothing in humanity worth saving nothing.

> I have been reading the mind book by Yogi Bhajan, and what a pile of brain

washing rubbish. The point about the hawk and the pigeon?

> Look if karma is true, and I'm doubting this more and more from experience,

then we have no hope of ever being free, and if a mere debt is enough to create

this then every citizen of the developing world has a mountain of karma,

individual and collective.

>

> When the dollar crash happens as it will very soon, then Guru's such as Guru

Tej(athletes) are in for a little surprise as their fortunes become worthless.

>

> If Yogi Bhajan is correct and the poles shift, only about 2 million people

will survive, what hope for the majority.

>

> All these Guru's such as YB bang on about how messed up we are, while they

drown in power, money and their own sexual intrigues.

>

> If KY is so good, why do I always end up feeling shit?

>

> When Israel attack Iran before the end of the year, we will get the same

platitudes.

>

> This path is nothing more than the powers that be nonsense, there is nothing

radical in it all, only how to cream off the system better. How to be a better

player.

>

> Forward the revolution, and Mother nature please destroy humanity for the sake

of nature, we are insane.

>

> Paul

>

[Guest guest]

Okay I will leave this list, and leave you to your peace.

One thing I would say though is only greatyoga and sujan have any compassion.

The rest who posted, especially sevaplace repulsed me. Sevaplace you are

everything that is bad about spirituality. You condemn me to hell but you don't

know me, my God I have assisted people in a far worse state than me, who are far

less redeeming, and never thought like that!

It is funny if you stir the pot just a little what comes out! What came out

there were people who would tear you limb to limb in any confrontation, far

worse than the worst kind of person who would just swear at you. Wow!

WaheyGuru.

Sujan and greatyoga display their lovely essence, sujan especially has more

vision and heart than most of you bullies.

I am glad I lost it a bit to see really what is underlying here, me and God have

a great understanding, he is a funny bloke with a great sense of humour and he

loves me to bits even though I am totally messed up!

 

Thanks for giving a severely mentally ill man such as myself such love

sevaplace, your works will go down in history, wow I am glad I am me, not you!

Paul

[Guest guest]

Paul..... steel up man...hang in there.....stay with us. I may not agree with

everything you have to say but I promise I will hang in there and talk it out

till we get to harmony....no matter how long it takes...... K

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22 " <22taro wrote:

>

> Okay I will leave this list, and leave you to your peace.

> One thing I would say though is only greatyoga and sujan have any compassion.

The rest who posted, especially sevaplace repulsed me. Sevaplace you are

everything that is bad about spirituality. You condemn me to hell but you don't

know me, my God I have assisted people in a far worse state than me, who are far

less redeeming, and never thought like that!

> It is funny if you stir the pot just a little what comes out! What came out

there were people who would tear you limb to limb in any confrontation, far

worse than the worst kind of person who would just swear at you. Wow!

WaheyGuru.

> Sujan and greatyoga display their lovely essence, sujan especially has more

vision and heart than most of you bullies.

> I am glad I lost it a bit to see really what is underlying here, me and God

have a great understanding, he is a funny bloke with a great sense of humour and

he loves me to bits even though I am totally messed up!

>

> Thanks for giving a severely mentally ill man such as myself such love

sevaplace, your works will go down in history, wow I am glad I am me, not you!

> Paul

>

[Guest guest]

I had the swine flu all last week, then a chest infection, I couldnt do the KY

and get so down and then crazy. I also reduced my meds, which was okay if I can

do the KY, I need to get strong again.

The reason I would want to leave the list is because I dont want to be like

this, other people need to use this list also, and it is a serious thing, I

reckon I must be really crazy or stupid, or something.

I dont want pity and I hate self-pity, I think the internet also fosters strange

behaviour in me, I'm not really like this one to one, most people really like me

and find me kind.

However I do think some of these things like the dollar crash etc. could happen

and it kind of freaks me out, like living in two worlds.

I dont really have problems with Guru's or money or anything really. I have

always been a bit crazy, I was in psychiatric hospital at age 11, and got my

illness at age 5 so.

Kundalini yoga really helps, it is my only hope, it is just that swine flu and

stuff.

Sorry, but I dont want to say sorry anymore, I don't want to do it, it hurts me

the most, so maybe I will post to Kiran and other people I have contact with if

I have questions.

Sorry seva and the other I forgot your name,

Paul (when I stop smoking dope it drives me crazy and it never seems to go away

even after months and months, somehow though I will have to get through all this

and will because I am a fighter)

XXX

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana wrote:

>

> Paul..... steel up man...hang in there.....stay with us. I may not agree with

everything you have to say but I promise I will hang in there and talk it out

till we get to harmony....no matter how long it takes...... K

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22@ " <22taro@> wrote:

> >

> > Okay I will leave this list, and leave you to your peace.

> > One thing I would say though is only greatyoga and sujan have any

compassion. The rest who posted, especially sevaplace repulsed me. Sevaplace

you are everything that is bad about spirituality. You condemn me to hell but

you don't know me, my God I have assisted people in a far worse state than me,

who are far less redeeming, and never thought like that!

> > It is funny if you stir the pot just a little what comes out! What came out

there were people who would tear you limb to limb in any confrontation, far

worse than the worst kind of person who would just swear at you. Wow!

WaheyGuru.

> > Sujan and greatyoga display their lovely essence, sujan especially has more

vision and heart than most of you bullies.

> > I am glad I lost it a bit to see really what is underlying here, me and God

have a great understanding, he is a funny bloke with a great sense of humour and

he loves me to bits even though I am totally messed up!

> >

> > Thanks for giving a severely mentally ill man such as myself such love

sevaplace, your works will go down in history, wow I am glad I am me, not you!

> > Paul

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This was beautiful, Krishna Singh

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna wrote:

[Guest guest]

Yeah....wasn't it.... :-) There are a lot of high consciousness people in

here...I think we could make this room a much more dynamic and real happening

place........this was Wahe Guru

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " ramneetfl " <ramneetfl wrote:

>

> This was beautiful, Krishna Singh

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna@> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Paul...you just be yourself...and I'll be myself. I was considered an over the

top eccentric person in my early days of 3HO...so i can relate. Been fighting

the flu and chest thing myself. I do 10,000 mgs of C complex and

Echinacea/Golden Seal...like 4 times what it says on the bottle...it always

keeps me just ahead of the funk. It's great that the kundalini helps you so

much. Get back on your feet and get back to work. Yogiji used to say the most

important mantra for the Aquarian Age was KEEP UP......Gaaaawd he must have

said it a million times. I'm sure you have a lot to give to this room...in

unexpected ways. So I think you should continue to post openly In Peace

K

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22 " <22taro wrote:

>

> I had the swine flu all last week, then a chest infection, I couldnt do the KY

and get so down and then crazy. I also reduced my meds, which was okay if I can

do the KY, I need to get strong again.

> The reason I would want to leave the list is because I dont want to be like

this, other people need to use this list also, and it is a serious thing, I

reckon I must be really crazy or stupid, or something.

> I dont want pity and I hate self-pity, I think the internet also fosters

strange behaviour in me, I'm not really like this one to one, most people really

like me and find me kind.

> However I do think some of these things like the dollar crash etc. could

happen and it kind of freaks me out, like living in two worlds.

> I dont really have problems with Guru's or money or anything really. I have

always been a bit crazy, I was in psychiatric hospital at age 11, and got my

illness at age 5 so.

> Kundalini yoga really helps, it is my only hope, it is just that swine flu and

stuff.

> Sorry, but I dont want to say sorry anymore, I don't want to do it, it hurts

me the most, so maybe I will post to Kiran and other people I have contact with

if I have questions.

> Sorry seva and the other I forgot your name,

> Paul (when I stop smoking dope it drives me crazy and it never seems to go

away even after months and months, somehow though I will have to get through all

this and will because I am a fighter)

> XXX

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana@> wrote:

> >

> > Paul..... steel up man...hang in there.....stay with us. I may not agree

with everything you have to say but I promise I will hang in there and talk it

out till we get to harmony....no matter how long it takes...... K

> >

> > Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22@ " <22taro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Okay I will leave this list, and leave you to your peace.

> > > One thing I would say though is only greatyoga and sujan have any

compassion. The rest who posted, especially sevaplace repulsed me. Sevaplace

you are everything that is bad about spirituality. You condemn me to hell but

you don't know me, my God I have assisted people in a far worse state than me,

who are far less redeeming, and never thought like that!

> > > It is funny if you stir the pot just a little what comes out! What came

out there were people who would tear you limb to limb in any confrontation, far

worse than the worst kind of person who would just swear at you. Wow!

WaheyGuru.

> > > Sujan and greatyoga display their lovely essence, sujan especially has

more vision and heart than most of you bullies.

> > > I am glad I lost it a bit to see really what is underlying here, me and

God have a great understanding, he is a funny bloke with a great sense of humour

and he loves me to bits even though I am totally messed up!

> > >

> > > Thanks for giving a severely mentally ill man such as myself such love

sevaplace, your works will go down in history, wow I am glad I am me, not you!

> > > Paul

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Paul

 

I would like you to stay with us. We all have our faults. It is a journey.

Stay on the path. Sure there are pitfalls on the path such as what what you may

have experienced on this site or things you experienced elsewhere. I recently

read an article concerning a great current football coach. He said he makes the

grand plan and then sticks to it no matter what. So far he has won 90% of the

games he as coached. YB said the same thing in different words. " Keep up " .

 

It is funny if you stir the pot just a little what comes out!

My question is: " Are you referring to a cooking vessel or to a substance that

goes up in smoke? " ))

 

GuruBandhu

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22 " <22taro wrote:

>

> Okay I will leave this list, and leave you to your peace.

> One thing I would say though is only greatyoga and sujan have any compassion.

The rest who posted, especially sevaplace repulsed me. Sevaplace you are

everything that is bad about spirituality. You condemn me to hell but you don't

know me, my God I have assisted people in a far worse state than me, who are far

less redeeming, and never thought like that!

> It is funny if you stir the pot just a little what comes out! What came out

there were people who would tear you limb to limb in any confrontation, far

worse than the worst kind of person who would just swear at you. Wow!

WaheyGuru.

> Sujan and greatyoga display their lovely essence, sujan especially has more

vision and heart than most of you bullies.

> I am glad I lost it a bit to see really what is underlying here, me and God

have a great understanding, he is a funny bloke with a great sense of humour and

he loves me to bits even though I am totally messed up!

>

> Thanks for giving a severely mentally ill man such as myself such love

sevaplace, your works will go down in history, wow I am glad I am me, not you!

> Paul

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Krishna Singh.

 

You toss out the lasso of reality just when the floor boards have shifted

beneath us in a dark room.

 

Thanks for sharing your story.

 

FS

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Paul,

 

Please take a moment and get this book: The Four Agreements.

 

I picked it up at a store because it drew me, and it caused me to think of you.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Four-Agreements-Practical-Personal-Freedom/dp/1878424319\

/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1255698883 & sr=8-1

 

(Hooked up the UK Amazon link for you)

 

I hope I'm not imposing, but I believe where you are at, some of the wisdom in

here may benefit you. It's a different modality than Kundalini, which I believe

would also be a benefit, but it's still spiritual (but not religious)... It's

self-described as a 'life guide', with a simple 4-step guide [to happiness] with

a focus on being mindful of the words we speak and the concepts we carry around

with us.

 

Things always look darkest just before the dawn... Without which we would not

have any idea of light. I think you are right where you need to be.

 

Check it out.

 

With kind regards,

Fateh Singh

 

Peace & love.

[Guest guest]

Yes....awesome book........

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote:

>

> Sat Nam Paul,

>

> Please take a moment and get this book: The Four Agreements.

>

> I picked it up at a store because it drew me, and it caused me to think of

you.

>

>

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Four-Agreements-Practical-Personal-Freedom/dp/1878424319\

/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1255698883 & sr=8-1

>

> (Hooked up the UK Amazon link for you)

>

> I hope I'm not imposing, but I believe where you are at, some of the wisdom in

here may benefit you. It's a different modality than Kundalini, which I believe

would also be a benefit, but it's still spiritual (but not religious)... It's

self-described as a 'life guide', with a simple 4-step guide [to happiness] with

a focus on being mindful of the words we speak and the concepts we carry around

with us.

>

> Things always look darkest just before the dawn... Without which we would not

have any idea of light. I think you are right where you need to be.

>

> Check it out.

>

> With kind regards,

> Fateh Singh

>

> Peace & love.

>