Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Sat Nam, Maybe someone who's had a solution for this would be willing to share ... I have been in contact with a nearby yoga studio about teaching Kundalini Yoga. The proprietor had some reluctance, since she says she knows of several people who've suddenly had their Kundalini rise and weren't able to deal with it. We know from Yogi Bhajan that we aren't to be distracted by these " special effects " .... but I need to know how to talk to her about it so that she isn't fearful about my proposal to teach there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hello Ravinamk...since no one has answered you I decided to give it a shot, though I have never been in your situation, I have had many students who have. First you should vibe out where they are really coming from. I saw recently a student of mine opened her own studio in a town where she had been teaching Hatha yoga for 8 years. When she started her own studio and started teaching some kundalini, I was shocked at the coldness she received. Some people are vehemently opposed to kundalini. She has become very successful and has been met with great jealousy. So is this person one of those kind of people and just being polite about it to your face? OK, if not and she is genuinely concerned then...what is in your aura? Are you confident that you can handle any thing that might happen...because it can. Read Myralorey's excellent last post. I just last year had a woman raise her kundalini in my class and she was almost un-intelligible for a month. It took 2 more months to bring her to normal. She was in bliss, but her family was horrified. I had to take care of all of them too. This has happend 3 times in my 38 years of teaching, and I went through it myself, so I knew what to do. Are you confident in yourself, because yoga people can be very sensitive and intuitive, and what is just " special effects " to us can be terrifying to them. You have to respect that. If you are OK with all this, and the person you are talking to is reasonable person with genuine concerns, then this is what I do. This gets into a little magic " siddhis " but if your intention is pure it is proper. Sometimes I negotiate territorial disputes between criminal bike gangs. Before I go meet them..I know who they are and something about them. Then I will stay up the night before, and while they are asleep and their subconscious is wide open, I ask permission from their soul, and enter into their astral world. With gangs you have to know what you are doing because they have very violent thought forms, and you have to stay with it till you are done. I just keep chanting softly, or breathing...go through every scenario with them (fantasies)...some are violent...I just keep moving...keep talking. I hear all their fears and objections and have the conversations in my head...give them clear answers...until I " feel " and see it all turning out right, and we have become friends..and that is my real intention...to become friends. But you have to be willing to wade through their shit...you have to keep up till it turns to harmony. The reason this is not manipulation is because I am there to " give " something not take. If your going to be a kundalini teacher you are going to have to be a healer too...you have to go the extra mile. That woman's family wanted me to leave her alone. But I couldn't just leave her in that condition, so I did my work for her at night...hours of grounding chants I would surround her in, and her family too. I'm just giving you an extreme case here with the bike clubs...you will not encounter that kind of violent energy. But you might encounter fear...so you talk it out with her in spirit. Every time it has worked out well. And most of the time the heads of the gangs will sense that I put that much effort into it and there is instant respect. The reason you put that much effort into it is compassion...and others will sense that somehow..... Just go slow and create a relationship in Spirit with the person first. But before you put that much effort into it...use your gut instincts to know if can happen there...or you'd be better off somewhere else........ In Peace Kirantana Kundalini-Yoga , " ravinamk " <ravinamk wrote: > > Sat Nam, > Maybe someone who's had a solution for this would be willing to share ... I have been in contact with a nearby yoga studio about teaching Kundalini Yoga. The proprietor had some reluctance, since she says she knows of several people who've suddenly had their Kundalini rise and weren't able to deal with it. We know from Yogi Bhajan that we aren't to be distracted by these " special effects " .... but I need to know how to talk to her about it so that she isn't fearful about my proposal to teach there. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Wow, such a heavy answer to what I thought was a simple question. (???) Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana wrote: > > Hello Ravinamk...since no one has answered you I decided to give it a shot, though I have never been in your situation, I have had many students who have. First you should vibe out where they are really coming from. I saw recently a student of mine opened her own studio in a town where she had been teaching Hatha yoga for 8 years. When she started her own studio and started teaching some kundalini, I was shocked at the coldness she received. Some people are vehemently opposed to kundalini. She has become very successful and has been met with great jealousy. So is this person one of those kind of people and just being polite about it to your face? > > OK, if not and she is genuinely concerned then...what is in your aura? Are you confident that you can handle any thing that might happen...because it can. Read Myralorey's excellent last post. I just last year had a woman raise her kundalini in my class and she was almost un-intelligible for a month. It took 2 more months to bring her to normal. She was in bliss, but her family was horrified. I had to take care of all of them too. This has happend 3 times in my 38 years of teaching, and I went through it myself, so I knew what to do. Are you confident in yourself, because yoga people can be very sensitive and intuitive, and what is just " special effects " to us can be terrifying to them. You have to respect that. > > If you are OK with all this, and the person you are talking to is reasonable person with genuine concerns, then this is what I do. This gets into a little magic " siddhis " but if your intention is pure it is proper. Sometimes I negotiate territorial disputes between criminal bike gangs. Before I go meet them..I know who they are and something about them. Then I will stay up the night before, and while they are asleep and their subconscious is wide open, I ask permission from their soul, and enter into their astral world. With gangs you have to know what you are doing because they have very violent thought forms, and you have to stay with it till you are done. I just keep chanting softly, or breathing...go through every scenario with them (fantasies)...some are violent...I just keep moving...keep talking. I hear all their fears and objections and have the conversations in my head...give them clear answers...until I " feel " and see it all turning out right, and we have become friends..and that is my real intention...to become friends. But you have to be willing to wade through their shit...you have to keep up till it turns to harmony. The reason this is not manipulation is because I am there to " give " something not take. If your going to be a kundalini teacher you are going to have to be a healer too...you have to go the extra mile. That woman's family wanted me to leave her alone. But I couldn't just leave her in that condition, so I did my work for her at night...hours of grounding chants I would surround her in, and her family too. > > I'm just giving you an extreme case here with the bike clubs...you will not encounter that kind of violent energy. But you might encounter fear...so you talk it out with her in spirit. > > Every time it has worked out well. And most of the time the heads of the gangs will sense that I put that much effort into it and there is instant respect. The reason you put that much effort into it is compassion...and others will sense that somehow..... Just go slow and create a relationship in Spirit with the person first. > > But before you put that much effort into it...use your gut instincts to know if can happen there...or you'd be better off somewhere else........ In Peace Kirantana > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " ravinamk " <ravinamk@> wrote: > > > > Sat Nam, > > Maybe someone who's had a solution for this would be willing to share ... I have been in contact with a nearby yoga studio about teaching Kundalini Yoga. The proprietor had some reluctance, since she says she knows of several people who've suddenly had their Kundalini rise and weren't able to deal with it. We know from Yogi Bhajan that we aren't to be distracted by these " special effects " .... but I need to know how to talk to her about it so that she isn't fearful about my proposal to teach there. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Ravinamk...hope that wasn't overwhelming. But as Yogji used to say, you are dealing with the energy that created the whole Universe. Once I asked Yogji " how do you master this yoga? " He said " Treat it and everything about it with great respect and careful attention. " I think something very powerful is beginning to happen in this room...I hope you follow it. Myralorey, Sat Avatar kaur has invited people to really open up with the deep questions concerning this yoga...and teaching it. I know this will become very fruitful if people really throw all their doubts, fears and questions on the table. But just real fast...know that Kundalini does not harm people...that has never been true. But it will open up the subconscious and force people to look at what many have tried so hard to hide from themselves. The drama that this causes is what they are referring to when they say " it is harmful. " The shocks ,tingles , and lights are fun, but when people who are not used to self-honesty encounter real kundalini, they think it is harmful. And I didn't mean to scare you about that woman I spoke of. She had been doing kundalini by DVD's for 2 years...she was primed and ready for the experience...its just that her family was not. If you have never seen a kundalini overload in one of your classes...99% of the time just doing a foot rub on the person will bring them out of it. Too much energy in the head...you just pull it down to the feet. Feel confident, and make real friends with this yoga studio owner. This is very intimate stuff, and the people you present it to deserve the careful attention you must bring to all this......... Peace K Kundalini-Yoga , " ravinamk " <ravinamk wrote: > > Wow, such a heavy answer to what I thought was a simple question. > (???) > > Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana@> wrote: > > > > Hello Ravinamk...since no one has answered you I decided to give it a shot, though I have never been in your situation, I have had many students who have. First you should vibe out where they are really coming from. I saw recently a student of mine opened her own studio in a town where she had been teaching Hatha yoga for 8 years. When she started her own studio and started teaching some kundalini, I was shocked at the coldness she received. Some people are vehemently opposed to kundalini. She has become very successful and has been met with great jealousy. So is this person one of those kind of people and just being polite about it to your face? > > > > OK, if not and she is genuinely concerned then...what is in your aura? Are you confident that you can handle any thing that might happen...because it can. Read Myralorey's excellent last post. I just last year had a woman raise her kundalini in my class and she was almost un-intelligible for a month. It took 2 more months to bring her to normal. She was in bliss, but her family was horrified. I had to take care of all of them too. This has happend 3 times in my 38 years of teaching, and I went through it myself, so I knew what to do. Are you confident in yourself, because yoga people can be very sensitive and intuitive, and what is just " special effects " to us can be terrifying to them. You have to respect that. > > > > If you are OK with all this, and the person you are talking to is reasonable person with genuine concerns, then this is what I do. This gets into a little magic " siddhis " but if your intention is pure it is proper. Sometimes I negotiate territorial disputes between criminal bike gangs. Before I go meet them..I know who they are and something about them. Then I will stay up the night before, and while they are asleep and their subconscious is wide open, I ask permission from their soul, and enter into their astral world. With gangs you have to know what you are doing because they have very violent thought forms, and you have to stay with it till you are done. I just keep chanting softly, or breathing...go through every scenario with them (fantasies)...some are violent...I just keep moving...keep talking. I hear all their fears and objections and have the conversations in my head...give them clear answers...until I " feel " and see it all turning out right, and we have become friends..and that is my real intention...to become friends. But you have to be willing to wade through their shit...you have to keep up till it turns to harmony. The reason this is not manipulation is because I am there to " give " something not take. If your going to be a kundalini teacher you are going to have to be a healer too...you have to go the extra mile. That woman's family wanted me to leave her alone. But I couldn't just leave her in that condition, so I did my work for her at night...hours of grounding chants I would surround her in, and her family too. > > > > I'm just giving you an extreme case here with the bike clubs...you will not encounter that kind of violent energy. But you might encounter fear...so you talk it out with her in spirit. > > > > Every time it has worked out well. And most of the time the heads of the gangs will sense that I put that much effort into it and there is instant respect. The reason you put that much effort into it is compassion...and others will sense that somehow..... Just go slow and create a relationship in Spirit with the person first. > > > > But before you put that much effort into it...use your gut instincts to know if can happen there...or you'd be better off somewhere else........ In Peace Kirantana > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " ravinamk " <ravinamk@> wrote: > > > > > > Sat Nam, > > > Maybe someone who's had a solution for this would be willing to share ... I have been in contact with a nearby yoga studio about teaching Kundalini Yoga. The proprietor had some reluctance, since she says she knows of several people who've suddenly had their Kundalini rise and weren't able to deal with it. We know from Yogi Bhajan that we aren't to be distracted by these " special effects " .... but I need to know how to talk to her about it so that she isn't fearful about my proposal to teach there. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Sat Nam! There are these two intereting replies of Yogi Bhajan...... Question: I have a friend who is a psychotherapist. He teaches Hatha Yoga as a part of his therapy. He told me that Kundalini Yoga is an extremely dangerous form of yoga and that it can lead to insanity if not handled right. Is this true? Answer: It is very unfortunate that some people talk that way. First of all, they do not know what they are talking about. Is money dangerous? It is just an energy. Kundalini is a latent energy that can be used for total consciousness. The only dangerous thing is the person whose Kundalini is raised properly. That person is totally conscious. He cannot be lied to or cheated or politically swayed. The kundalini is essential. As long as you practice a total discipline or a complete and balanced kriya, there is no difficulty. In Kundalini Yoga, you will notice that every meditation and kriya has some form of mantra in it. This insures the channelization of the energy. Second, they don't have any real experience of it. The truth is Kundalini Yoga produces whole human beings, teachers, and yogis. A yogi is one who has a union with the supreme consciousness. Some people teach yoga as if it is a bunch of dumb exercises, but they have no right to call themselves yogis. To teach this yoga you must have authentic experience and practical knowledge of the technology. There is never a problem with Kundalini Yoga taught as the original sacred science. Question: What about great visions, psychic experiences, or jerking and trembling after meditation? Is this the kundalini rising? Answer: This is glitter at the bottom of the ladder. These hallucinations, psychism, and nerve weaknesses mean nothing. If a student practicing Kundalini Yoga is very blocked up in the spine and pranic nadis, he may have a one time experience when the channels are cleared. But that is one time, brief, and does not disrupt anything. These things may happen when someone's nervous system has not been properly prepared, or if they do not use the mantra or breathing technique properly. The real measure of kundalini rising is your consciousness from breath to breath and courage you bring to your life. These momentary flashes brought on by weakness have nothing to do with kundalini. Source: http://db.kriteachings.org/clients/ikyta/articles.nsf/9dee2aa6164e1d9b8725667100\ 4e06c7/3ec19f43a266762e8725710a0002eb63?OpenDocument Blessings! Sujan S. - " Guru kirtan Kaur (Juliana Warner) " <juliana2000_br <Kundalini-Yoga > Monday, October 26, 2009 4:46 AM Re:bringing KY to studio that hasn't had it Sat Nam Ji, let me share with you my experience. I had a similar experience. I went back to my country and really wanna to share the technology of k.Y. I first start to taking classes in the studio, where they practice Ashtanga and hatha Yoga. I approach the owner and ask about the possibility of teaching some K.Y classes. She was reluctante, the same argument : " I heard K.Y is dangerous... " . I explained a bit about K.Y. She was actually curios herself, so i proposed an experiencial class, first for herself and a couple of students that were equally curios. The class went really well. I did an gently begginers class. However she was still reluctant, specially because of the pranayamas. So she asked me if I could teach a class with gently pranayama. I accept the challenge, and ended up teaching for 6 months. I also explained that some of the people that have some spontaneous kundalini awakening, were not guided by a teacher trainned in K.Y taught by Yogi Bhajan. This kind experience have nothing to do with the gradual and balanced development of the kundalini practice. " Kundalini Yoga by itself never causes these dangerous and extreme energy imbalances " ( The Aquarian Teacher Manual pg. 301). My students back home, and the owner of the yoga studio, want me to came back for more kundalini experiences. Keep up! withouth the darkeness there isn't light! Keep sharing your development. I would love to hear some more... Blessings, Guru Kirtan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Sat Nam Ji, let me share with you my experience. I had a similar experience. I went back to my country and really wanna to share the technology of k.Y. I first start to taking classes in the studio, where they practice Ashtanga and hatha Yoga. I approach the owner and ask about the possibility of teaching some K.Y classes. She was reluctante, the same argument : " I heard K.Y is dangerous..." . I explained a bit about K.Y. She was actually curios herself, so i proposed an experiencial class, first for herself and a couple of students that were equally curios. The class went really well. I did an gently begginers class. However she was still reluctant, specially because of the pranayamas. So she asked me if I could teach a class with gently pranayama. I accept the challenge, and ended up teaching for 6 months. I also explained that some of the people that have some spontaneous kundalini awakening, were not guided by a teacher trainned in K.Y taught by Yogi Bhajan. This kind experience have nothing to do with the gradual and balanced development of the kundalini practice. " Kundalini Yoga by itself never causes these dangerous and extreme energy imbalances" ( The Aquarian Teacher Manual pg. 301). My students back home, and the owner of the yoga studio, want me to came back for more kundalini experiences. Keep up! withouth the darkeness there isn't light! Keep sharing your development. I would love to hear some more... Blessings, Guru Kirtan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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