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Sat Nam,

 

It has occured to me, a bit late, that I am and have made a mistake in

re-posting the older posts from Pieter and others at this time.

 

Even though I think they are really important, I do not want to smother this

discussion.

 

I apologize for my thoughtlessness.

 

What I am going to do is open up a section on my website and put them all on

there, there are 20 more left, and I will list the rest of the messages here.

 

I also, have 16 pdf files, and a couple letters, that Pieter sent to me. I am

going to upload the pdfs here, along with his letters, because we need to read

them in a certain order.

 

Right now, I have to re-name them, the titles are too long for the program here,

and I want to coordinate that with his letter. I don't know if there is a way to

keep them all together with the letters or not? It would be good to have them in

section. I will find out.

 

Pieter's website was hijacked last year (he's in Thailand and they do that

there) and incredible wealth of information was lost. He must have had well over

100 pdf files and articles. To my knowledge, he has not created another

website. I have lists of articles from his site and no way to connect them to

anything, just titles.

 

Message #103

" pieter "

Sustainable voltage and the non-dual experience

 

Message #112

" pieter "

Non Dualism in Vedanta and the Teachings of Christ.

 

Message #392

James L Buechler

Re: Sanjam

 

The ones I have not put up,

 

Message #620

Krishna Singh Khalsa

Mind and mindfulness: Surrender to Nothing

 

Message #1106

pieter

Surat Shabad Yoga, part of KY practice taught by Yogi Bhajan

 

Message #2512

pieter

The non-dual Christ Consciousness: The Self, Maya and the Heart:

 

Message #2517

Pieter

Regarding quedstions about the Radiant series

 

Message #2235

pieter

Consideration of the way in which Sets are practiced to experience

 

Message #2566

Pieter

Today is the Holy Day of the Ascension of Christ.

 

Message #2743

Pieter

The nature of Consciousness

 

Message #2838

pieter

Regarding the earlier posted cpourse program Non-Dual Experience

 

Message #3261

Pieter

Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve

 

there are hyper-links to words in this

Message #3288

Pieter

Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve

 

Just a follow up note of interest re the Creator's Creation, and how the Creator

has hidden in the Temple of the Body the means, for those that have a daily

Sadhana to find him:

 

Message #5707

pieter

gunas, satvic mind, the I " I pulsing as " I "

 

Message #4098

pieter

The right path

 

Message #4120

pieter

reticular activating system - for those interested in the mechanism

 

Message #4810

pieter

There are different levels of Kundalini.  Kundalini is the light of awareness

that shines through us that gives rise to our conscious experiences.

 

Message #4844

pieter

Vagus nerve

 

Message #4872

pieter

Vagus nerve

Re:Vagus nerve

Could Pieter please elaborate more on

 

1) " Pulsing " of " I " which is felt in spiritual heart

and the vagus nerve......Does Sunana(listening) means focussed listening

of this pulsing

 

Message #4900

pieter

Sunia / Sravana / hearing, is a condition that in Kundalini Yoga results from

Sadhana and Aradhana

 

All of the above, I will place on my site, read it here or read it there, it is

up to you.

 

I hope that some of the info that Pieter gave can be elaborated on - like One

Star Spirituality - this is the only place I have ever heard of it.

 

So is there, Secret knowledge in Kundalini Yoga, still hidden? I don't know.

 

Blessings,

 

Sat Avtar Kaur

http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/

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I think that is wise, and it could smother the discussion because for newer

people Pieter can be overwhelming. And though it is interesting, what he

describes I have gone through but almost completely in the opposite order. (I'll

explain in a few days when I have more time.) But the point is I have never

thought to teach that there is a set path or way in which this all happens. I

present it as, here is how you bring your nervous system and subconscious to

" flatline " and in that silence all will be given to you in a way that is " unique

to you. " He never mentions " grace " and presents it like it is a mechanical

system of locks and breath technique. I am more inclined to Kristi Marie Jones'

post, these things can happen in most un-expected ways. In fact when these

experiences began to happen to me it was a time in my life when I wasn't

practicing and I was sitting in my bedroom pissed off at life and cussing

God/Goddess out. Also after many years of this, I question what these

experiences have to do with real spiritual life at all. I have met many people

who are deeply spiritual, healthy and wise, who would have no idea what we are

talking about here at all. And I have met many who have never heard of Guru

Gobind Singh, who are truly Khalsa. Elitism is a foul disease. Unfortunately

many yogis, religions and spiritual organizations have it. I hope these

discussions will help to make people aware of how it happens, and pull the root

before it grows.

 

As to speculating if there is more hidden secrets of kundalini, of course there

are, but as Pieter says in almost all his post, the key is a daily sahdna. I

don't think it is necessary to be spiritual, but it is to be a teacher. But

still, what will unfold will be unique to each individual.

 

Let the games begin, and may this be enriching to all of us.....

Much peace and thanks for all this..... K

 

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " MyraL " <myralorey wrote:

>

> Sat Nam,

>

> It has occured to me, a bit late, that I am and have made a mistake in

re-posting the older posts from Pieter and others at this time.

>

> Even though I think they are really important, I do not want to smother this

discussion.

>

> I apologize for my thoughtlessness.

>

> What I am going to do is open up a section on my website and put them all on

there, there are 20 more left, and I will list the rest of the messages here.

>

> I also, have 16 pdf files, and a couple letters, that Pieter sent to me. I am

going to upload the pdfs here, along with his letters, because we need to read

them in a certain order.

>

> Right now, I have to re-name them, the titles are too long for the program

here, and I want to coordinate that with his letter. I don't know if there is a

way to keep them all together with the letters or not? It would be good to have

them in section. I will find out.

>

> Pieter's website was hijacked last year (he's in Thailand and they do that

there) and incredible wealth of information was lost. He must have had well over

100 pdf files and articles. To my knowledge, he has not created another

website. I have lists of articles from his site and no way to connect them to

anything, just titles.

>

> Message #103

> " pieter "

> Sustainable voltage and the non-dual experience

>

> Message #112

> " pieter "

> Non Dualism in Vedanta and the Teachings of Christ.

>

> Message #392

> James L Buechler

> Re: Sanjam

>

> The ones I have not put up,

>

> Message #620

> Krishna Singh Khalsa

> Mind and mindfulness: Surrender to Nothing

>

> Message #1106

> pieter

> Surat Shabad Yoga, part of KY practice taught by Yogi Bhajan

>

> Message #2512

> pieter

> The non-dual Christ Consciousness: The Self, Maya and the Heart:

>

> Message #2517

> Pieter

> Regarding quedstions about the Radiant series

>

> Message #2235

> pieter

> Consideration of the way in which Sets are practiced to experience

>

> Message #2566

> Pieter

> Today is the Holy Day of the Ascension of Christ.

>

> Message #2743

> Pieter

> The nature of Consciousness

>

> Message #2838

> pieter

> Regarding the earlier posted cpourse program Non-Dual Experience

>

> Message #3261

> Pieter

> Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve

>

> there are hyper-links to words in this

> Message #3288

> Pieter

> Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve

>

> Just a follow up note of interest re the Creator's Creation, and how the

Creator has hidden in the Temple of the Body the means, for those that have a

daily Sadhana to find him:

>

> Message #5707

> pieter

> gunas, satvic mind, the I " I pulsing as " I "

>

> Message #4098

> pieter

> The right path

>

> Message #4120

> pieter

> reticular activating system - for those interested in the mechanism

>

> Message #4810

> pieter

> There are different levels of Kundalini.  Kundalini is the light of awareness

that shines through us that gives rise to our conscious experiences.

>

> Message #4844

> pieter

> Vagus nerve

>

> Message #4872

> pieter

> Vagus nerve

> Re:Vagus nerve

> Could Pieter please elaborate more on

>  

> 1) " Pulsing " of " I " which is felt in spiritual heart

> and the vagus nerve......Does Sunana(listening) means focussed listening

of this pulsing

>

> Message #4900

> pieter

> Sunia / Sravana / hearing, is a condition that in Kundalini Yoga results from

Sadhana and Aradhana

>

> All of the above, I will place on my site, read it here or read it there, it

is up to you.

>

> I hope that some of the info that Pieter gave can be elaborated on - like One

Star Spirituality - this is the only place I have ever heard of it.

>

> So is there, Secret knowledge in Kundalini Yoga, still hidden? I don't know.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Sat Avtar Kaur

> http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/

>

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Sat Nam Kirantana,

 

I tried to talk myself out of saying anything, or not on your statement

Quote: " because for newer people Pieter can be overwhelming " . UnQuote

 

That is an assumption. If a person gets overwhelmed, reading the writing of a

person who lives in the non-dual state, they may tune it out and stop, but they

will know where it is, and they will gain something from it, and something will

be remembered and possibly even they can pass the information along. (now if you

really want to be overwhelmed read Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His

Grandson, or Madame Blavatsky's writings).

 

It use to be a well known fact, (early Christian Science, Theosophy, Vedanta)

that one of the paths towards the non-dual state is reading the writings of a

person who has reached enlightenment, self-realization, Non-dualism, Christ

Consciousness or whatever you want to call it. As you try to understand what

these writers are saying, you are getting closer to understanding it yourself,

just one tiny realization of what they are saying can start a person their path.

 

I just today ran across an email which Pieter sent to me in March 2008. I think

he states it better than I did.

 

Quote:

 

There is a particular experience in Kundalini Yoga called One Star Spirituality,

which comes as the sense of the seer is discriminated or isolated from what you

see.  There's a sense of radical Intelligence in which your interest or enquiry

withdraws for what you are seeing and becomes absorbed in who sees, where the

seeing is coming from.  A sense of disengaging of attention begins to pervade

the whole body and radiance penetrates everywhere.

 

This will just begin to happen by Itself. The source is not in the area of the

brain, rather in the heart, which is like the Sun in the body, and behind that

Sun is Infinite all pervasive Being.

 

Reading the various non-dual spiritual texts as part of the practice is helpful,

as the Self recollects Itself in the words and lives of the Saints, Sages and

Saviors of the various religions, like words to someone with amnesia, who

hearing them begins to recollect, and then remembers and abides as who he/she

is.

 

The texts aren't really meant to compare, but rather to somehow be " heard " where

you consider that the life and words are expressing the awakened state, and you

try to somehow get what it is they are experiencing.  And then suddenly you do. 

In Kundalini Yoga, this is called Pradupati or Crystallization.  In the various

religions it's a trinity of " hearing-recollection-abiding. "

 

When this happens then all sorts of experiences and the clinging attention to

them have no more hold on you.  Whatever they are you abide entirely beyond

them, yet as their substratum.

 

The initial stages of this recognition are that you begin to realize yourself as

a field or unit of consciousness, animating the body, lighting the mind, and no

longer the body sensations and thought impressions.  The distinction of seeing,

seer and seen, fades and you see as a field of self-radiance.  Your light lights

the field around you.  When the sense of " I " as " I " begins to become stronger,

pulling inward like a graviton yet radiant penetrating light everywhere, there

is an " impact " with the Infinite, and all separation and distinctions dissolves.

 

This may seem a far off experience, but in fact it is the basis of our everyday

experience. 

Reading The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism  a few

times, maybe once a week , as you practice and consider what is written, will

start to make all this clear.

All the phenomenological experiences are  letting us know that there is more to

who and what we are.  But with steady daily practice of the various sets, kriyas

and meditations, and understanding the proper breathing, the applied awareness,

the active and passive aspects of each exercise, and occasional reading of

spiritual texts, this " hearing " occurs.  It disengages you from attention, and

something new awakens, the recollection and abiding as your True Self. You

experience for your Self what Christ meant when he came out of the dessert and

said " I am the Truth. " Or when Nanak came from the cave and said Sat Nam, which

means the experience of " I AM " as Absolute unconditioned uncared Truth.

Words help the remembrance if the mind is pure enough for the reflected

Intelligence of the Self to radiate through the mind enabling this " hearing " to

penetrate through the mind's habit of attention.  But the experience is beyond

words, beyond seeing, beyond knowing, yet utterly here, but here in a way quite

different than we can imagine. Here, now, yet pervasive.

 

If you feel you don't quite hear of get the words, you will soon enough, as you

keep up the daily Sadhana.

 

Pieter

UnQuote

 

The above is not the only way, there are as many ways as there are people. You

can even read Eckhart Tolle, Joel S Goldsmith and others, and have an

experience.

The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism can be found on this

page;

http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/The+Self%2C+Maya%2C+and+the+Heart%3A

 

 

Blessings,

 

Sat Avtar Kaur

http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/

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Thank you Sat Avtar Kaur. This is a very nice post.

 

I would add my experience that I first had my taste of enlightenment while

reading the " I, Ching " in my college days.

 

Just trying to make sense of it opened pathways that gave me a moment of pure 'I

Am' insight. And that experience has helped lead me here and into my current

practice and roll as a student teacher.

 

Looking back on it recently in reminiscence, I was happy to find that it's still

way over my head! :)

 

Fateh Singh

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Sat Nam sister...very well said...and I concur...also Joel Goldsmith is someone

I consider one of my main teachers... " Practicing the Presence " ...and the " Art

of Spiritual Healing " I try and read at least once a year...and have for

decades. You are right, there is always something more you can get from

writings of people like this...no matter how many times you read them. I wasn't

quit clear, sorry, I'm recording my life long Opus...I was never good at

multi-tasking :-). I was concerned that people might think that what he was

describing was the 'only' way these things happen. But as you talk about these

other teachings like Joel...I see we are on the same page. Also that if younger

teachers hadn't had experiences like this, I was concerned that they might feel

like what they were doing wasn't good enough, and not contributing. But Pieter

always makes it clear...If you are doing sadhna, you are solidly on the path and

serving humanity greatly. The " inner lights " will unfold as they are needed, in

there own timing.

And I will continue this conversation, and share some of my own experiences as I

finish some gnarly new challenges in " shabad " that I have taken on.

 

Thanks for this......Kirantana

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " MyraL " <myralorey wrote:

>

> Sat Nam Kirantana,

>

> I tried to talk myself out of saying anything, or not on your statement

> Quote: " because for newer people Pieter can be overwhelming " . UnQuote

>

> That is an assumption. If a person gets overwhelmed, reading the writing of a

person who lives in the non-dual state, they may tune it out and stop, but they

will know where it is, and they will gain something from it, and something will

be remembered and possibly even they can pass the information along. (now if you

really want to be overwhelmed read Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His

Grandson, or Madame Blavatsky's writings).

>

> It use to be a well known fact, (early Christian Science, Theosophy, Vedanta)

that one of the paths towards the non-dual state is reading the writings of a

person who has reached enlightenment, self-realization, Non-dualism, Christ

Consciousness or whatever you want to call it. As you try to understand what

these writers are saying, you are getting closer to understanding it yourself,

just one tiny realization of what they are saying can start a person their path.

>

> I just today ran across an email which Pieter sent to me in March 2008. I

think he states it better than I did.

>

> Quote:

>

> There is a particular experience in Kundalini Yoga called One Star

Spirituality, which comes as the sense of the seer is discriminated or isolated

from what you see.  There's a sense of radical Intelligence in which your

interest or enquiry withdraws for what you are seeing and becomes absorbed in

who sees, where the seeing is coming from.  A sense of disengaging of attention

begins to pervade the whole body and radiance penetrates everywhere.

>

> This will just begin to happen by Itself. The source is not in the area of the

brain, rather in the heart, which is like the Sun in the body, and behind that

Sun is Infinite all pervasive Being.

>

> Reading the various non-dual spiritual texts as part of the practice is

helpful, as the Self recollects Itself in the words and lives of the Saints,

Sages and Saviors of the various religions, like words to someone with amnesia,

who hearing them begins to recollect, and then remembers and abides as who

he/she is.

>

> The texts aren't really meant to compare, but rather to somehow be " heard "

where you consider that the life and words are expressing the awakened state,

and you try to somehow get what it is they are experiencing.  And then suddenly

you do.  In Kundalini Yoga, this is called Pradupati or Crystallization.  In the

various religions it's a trinity of " hearing-recollection-abiding. "

>

> When this happens then all sorts of experiences and the clinging attention to

them have no more hold on you.  Whatever they are you abide entirely beyond

them, yet as their substratum.

>

> The initial stages of this recognition are that you begin to realize yourself

as a field or unit of consciousness, animating the body, lighting the mind, and

no longer the body sensations and thought impressions.  The distinction of

seeing, seer and seen, fades and you see as a field of self-radiance.  Your

light lights the field around you.  When the sense of " I " as " I " begins to

become stronger, pulling inward like a graviton yet radiant penetrating light

everywhere, there is an " impact " with the Infinite, and all separation and

distinctions dissolves.

>

> This may seem a far off experience, but in fact it is the basis of our

everyday experience. 

> Reading The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism  a few

times, maybe once a week , as you practice and consider what is written, will

start to make all this clear.

> All the phenomenological experiences are  letting us know that there is more

to who and what we are.  But with steady daily practice of the various sets,

kriyas and meditations, and understanding the proper breathing, the applied

awareness, the active and passive aspects of each exercise, and occasional

reading of spiritual texts, this " hearing " occurs.  It disengages you from

attention, and something new awakens, the recollection and abiding as your True

Self. You experience for your Self what Christ meant when he came out of the

dessert and said " I am the Truth. " Or when Nanak came from the cave and said Sat

Nam, which means the experience of " I AM " as Absolute unconditioned uncared

Truth.

> Words help the remembrance if the mind is pure enough for the reflected

Intelligence of the Self to radiate through the mind enabling this " hearing " to

penetrate through the mind's habit of attention.  But the experience is beyond

words, beyond seeing, beyond knowing, yet utterly here, but here in a way quite

different than we can imagine. Here, now, yet pervasive.

>

> If you feel you don't quite hear of get the words, you will soon enough, as

you keep up the daily Sadhana.

>

> Pieter

> UnQuote

>

> The above is not the only way, there are as many ways as there are people. You

can even read Eckhart Tolle, Joel S Goldsmith and others, and have an

experience.

> The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism can be found on

this page;

> http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/The+Self%2C+Maya%2C+and+the+Heart%3A

>

>

> Blessings,

>

> Sat Avtar Kaur

> http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/

>

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Fateh Singh...yes...awesome life long study the I Ching is. It has been a major

influence for me too. I have 5 different translations. I have been moving back

more into Tai Chi lately, so it has re-sparked my study of it. I'm even thinking

in order to keep the old noggin from fogging as the earth keeps going around the

Sun, to learn Chinese and learn to read it in the original...........K

 

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote:

>

> Thank you Sat Avtar Kaur. This is a very nice post.

>

> I would add my experience that I first had my taste of enlightenment while

reading the " I, Ching " in my college days.

>

> Just trying to make sense of it opened pathways that gave me a moment of pure

'I Am' insight. And that experience has helped lead me here and into my current

practice and roll as a student teacher.

>

> Looking back on it recently in reminiscence, I was happy to find that it's

still way over my head! :)

>

> Fateh Singh

>

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I was glad when the Peiter quoting posts were moved to another location. I tend

to read all the posts we put up here, except I skim the announcements about

classes. I enjoy the current discussions by live people, and I found the bunch

of quoted or reposted stuff to be overwhelming in the sense that they were wordy

and long and I don't actually like to read on the computer, so though the

subject matter was interesting, I was skipping them, since they were old.

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