Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Sat Nam, It has occured to me, a bit late, that I am and have made a mistake in re-posting the older posts from Pieter and others at this time. Even though I think they are really important, I do not want to smother this discussion. I apologize for my thoughtlessness. What I am going to do is open up a section on my website and put them all on there, there are 20 more left, and I will list the rest of the messages here. I also, have 16 pdf files, and a couple letters, that Pieter sent to me. I am going to upload the pdfs here, along with his letters, because we need to read them in a certain order. Right now, I have to re-name them, the titles are too long for the program here, and I want to coordinate that with his letter. I don't know if there is a way to keep them all together with the letters or not? It would be good to have them in section. I will find out. Pieter's website was hijacked last year (he's in Thailand and they do that there) and incredible wealth of information was lost. He must have had well over 100 pdf files and articles. To my knowledge, he has not created another website. I have lists of articles from his site and no way to connect them to anything, just titles. Message #103 " pieter " Sustainable voltage and the non-dual experience Message #112 " pieter " Non Dualism in Vedanta and the Teachings of Christ. Message #392 James L Buechler Re: Sanjam The ones I have not put up, Message #620 Krishna Singh Khalsa Mind and mindfulness: Surrender to Nothing Message #1106 pieter Surat Shabad Yoga, part of KY practice taught by Yogi Bhajan Message #2512 pieter The non-dual Christ Consciousness: The Self, Maya and the Heart: Message #2517 Pieter Regarding quedstions about the Radiant series Message #2235 pieter Consideration of the way in which Sets are practiced to experience Message #2566 Pieter Today is the Holy Day of the Ascension of Christ. Message #2743 Pieter The nature of Consciousness Message #2838 pieter Regarding the earlier posted cpourse program Non-Dual Experience Message #3261 Pieter Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve there are hyper-links to words in this Message #3288 Pieter Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve Just a follow up note of interest re the Creator's Creation, and how the Creator has hidden in the Temple of the Body the means, for those that have a daily Sadhana to find him: Message #5707 pieter gunas, satvic mind, the I " I pulsing as " I " Message #4098 pieter The right path Message #4120 pieter reticular activating system - for those interested in the mechanism Message #4810 pieter There are different levels of Kundalini. Kundalini is the light of awareness that shines through us that gives rise to our conscious experiences. Message #4844 pieter Vagus nerve Message #4872 pieter Vagus nerve Re:Vagus nerve Could Pieter please elaborate more on 1) " Pulsing " of " I " which is felt in spiritual heart and the vagus nerve......Does Sunana(listening) means focussed listening of this pulsing Message #4900 pieter Sunia / Sravana / hearing, is a condition that in Kundalini Yoga results from Sadhana and Aradhana All of the above, I will place on my site, read it here or read it there, it is up to you. I hope that some of the info that Pieter gave can be elaborated on - like One Star Spirituality - this is the only place I have ever heard of it. So is there, Secret knowledge in Kundalini Yoga, still hidden? I don't know. Blessings, Sat Avtar Kaur http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I think that is wise, and it could smother the discussion because for newer people Pieter can be overwhelming. And though it is interesting, what he describes I have gone through but almost completely in the opposite order. (I'll explain in a few days when I have more time.) But the point is I have never thought to teach that there is a set path or way in which this all happens. I present it as, here is how you bring your nervous system and subconscious to " flatline " and in that silence all will be given to you in a way that is " unique to you. " He never mentions " grace " and presents it like it is a mechanical system of locks and breath technique. I am more inclined to Kristi Marie Jones' post, these things can happen in most un-expected ways. In fact when these experiences began to happen to me it was a time in my life when I wasn't practicing and I was sitting in my bedroom pissed off at life and cussing God/Goddess out. Also after many years of this, I question what these experiences have to do with real spiritual life at all. I have met many people who are deeply spiritual, healthy and wise, who would have no idea what we are talking about here at all. And I have met many who have never heard of Guru Gobind Singh, who are truly Khalsa. Elitism is a foul disease. Unfortunately many yogis, religions and spiritual organizations have it. I hope these discussions will help to make people aware of how it happens, and pull the root before it grows. As to speculating if there is more hidden secrets of kundalini, of course there are, but as Pieter says in almost all his post, the key is a daily sahdna. I don't think it is necessary to be spiritual, but it is to be a teacher. But still, what will unfold will be unique to each individual. Let the games begin, and may this be enriching to all of us..... Much peace and thanks for all this..... K Kundalini-Yoga , " MyraL " <myralorey wrote: > > Sat Nam, > > It has occured to me, a bit late, that I am and have made a mistake in re-posting the older posts from Pieter and others at this time. > > Even though I think they are really important, I do not want to smother this discussion. > > I apologize for my thoughtlessness. > > What I am going to do is open up a section on my website and put them all on there, there are 20 more left, and I will list the rest of the messages here. > > I also, have 16 pdf files, and a couple letters, that Pieter sent to me. I am going to upload the pdfs here, along with his letters, because we need to read them in a certain order. > > Right now, I have to re-name them, the titles are too long for the program here, and I want to coordinate that with his letter. I don't know if there is a way to keep them all together with the letters or not? It would be good to have them in section. I will find out. > > Pieter's website was hijacked last year (he's in Thailand and they do that there) and incredible wealth of information was lost. He must have had well over 100 pdf files and articles. To my knowledge, he has not created another website. I have lists of articles from his site and no way to connect them to anything, just titles. > > Message #103 > " pieter " > Sustainable voltage and the non-dual experience > > Message #112 > " pieter " > Non Dualism in Vedanta and the Teachings of Christ. > > Message #392 > James L Buechler > Re: Sanjam > > The ones I have not put up, > > Message #620 > Krishna Singh Khalsa > Mind and mindfulness: Surrender to Nothing > > Message #1106 > pieter > Surat Shabad Yoga, part of KY practice taught by Yogi Bhajan > > Message #2512 > pieter > The non-dual Christ Consciousness: The Self, Maya and the Heart: > > Message #2517 > Pieter > Regarding quedstions about the Radiant series > > Message #2235 > pieter > Consideration of the way in which Sets are practiced to experience > > Message #2566 > Pieter > Today is the Holy Day of the Ascension of Christ. > > Message #2743 > Pieter > The nature of Consciousness > > Message #2838 > pieter > Regarding the earlier posted cpourse program Non-Dual Experience > > Message #3261 > Pieter > Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve > > there are hyper-links to words in this > Message #3288 > Pieter > Life Nerve, Sex Nerve, Mind Nerve > > Just a follow up note of interest re the Creator's Creation, and how the Creator has hidden in the Temple of the Body the means, for those that have a daily Sadhana to find him: > > Message #5707 > pieter > gunas, satvic mind, the I " I pulsing as " I " > > Message #4098 > pieter > The right path > > Message #4120 > pieter > reticular activating system - for those interested in the mechanism > > Message #4810 > pieter > There are different levels of Kundalini. Kundalini is the light of awareness that shines through us that gives rise to our conscious experiences. > > Message #4844 > pieter > Vagus nerve > > Message #4872 > pieter > Vagus nerve > Re:Vagus nerve > Could Pieter please elaborate more on > > 1) " Pulsing " of " I " which is felt in spiritual heart > and the vagus nerve......Does Sunana(listening) means focussed listening of this pulsing > > Message #4900 > pieter > Sunia / Sravana / hearing, is a condition that in Kundalini Yoga results from Sadhana and Aradhana > > All of the above, I will place on my site, read it here or read it there, it is up to you. > > I hope that some of the info that Pieter gave can be elaborated on - like One Star Spirituality - this is the only place I have ever heard of it. > > So is there, Secret knowledge in Kundalini Yoga, still hidden? I don't know. > > Blessings, > > Sat Avtar Kaur > http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Sat Nam Kirantana, I tried to talk myself out of saying anything, or not on your statement Quote: " because for newer people Pieter can be overwhelming " . UnQuote That is an assumption. If a person gets overwhelmed, reading the writing of a person who lives in the non-dual state, they may tune it out and stop, but they will know where it is, and they will gain something from it, and something will be remembered and possibly even they can pass the information along. (now if you really want to be overwhelmed read Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, or Madame Blavatsky's writings). It use to be a well known fact, (early Christian Science, Theosophy, Vedanta) that one of the paths towards the non-dual state is reading the writings of a person who has reached enlightenment, self-realization, Non-dualism, Christ Consciousness or whatever you want to call it. As you try to understand what these writers are saying, you are getting closer to understanding it yourself, just one tiny realization of what they are saying can start a person their path. I just today ran across an email which Pieter sent to me in March 2008. I think he states it better than I did. Quote: There is a particular experience in Kundalini Yoga called One Star Spirituality, which comes as the sense of the seer is discriminated or isolated from what you see. There's a sense of radical Intelligence in which your interest or enquiry withdraws for what you are seeing and becomes absorbed in who sees, where the seeing is coming from. A sense of disengaging of attention begins to pervade the whole body and radiance penetrates everywhere. This will just begin to happen by Itself. The source is not in the area of the brain, rather in the heart, which is like the Sun in the body, and behind that Sun is Infinite all pervasive Being. Reading the various non-dual spiritual texts as part of the practice is helpful, as the Self recollects Itself in the words and lives of the Saints, Sages and Saviors of the various religions, like words to someone with amnesia, who hearing them begins to recollect, and then remembers and abides as who he/she is. The texts aren't really meant to compare, but rather to somehow be " heard " where you consider that the life and words are expressing the awakened state, and you try to somehow get what it is they are experiencing. And then suddenly you do. In Kundalini Yoga, this is called Pradupati or Crystallization. In the various religions it's a trinity of " hearing-recollection-abiding. " When this happens then all sorts of experiences and the clinging attention to them have no more hold on you. Whatever they are you abide entirely beyond them, yet as their substratum. The initial stages of this recognition are that you begin to realize yourself as a field or unit of consciousness, animating the body, lighting the mind, and no longer the body sensations and thought impressions. The distinction of seeing, seer and seen, fades and you see as a field of self-radiance. Your light lights the field around you. When the sense of " I " as " I " begins to become stronger, pulling inward like a graviton yet radiant penetrating light everywhere, there is an " impact " with the Infinite, and all separation and distinctions dissolves. This may seem a far off experience, but in fact it is the basis of our everyday experience. Reading The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism a few times, maybe once a week , as you practice and consider what is written, will start to make all this clear. All the phenomenological experiences are letting us know that there is more to who and what we are. But with steady daily practice of the various sets, kriyas and meditations, and understanding the proper breathing, the applied awareness, the active and passive aspects of each exercise, and occasional reading of spiritual texts, this " hearing " occurs. It disengages you from attention, and something new awakens, the recollection and abiding as your True Self. You experience for your Self what Christ meant when he came out of the dessert and said " I am the Truth. " Or when Nanak came from the cave and said Sat Nam, which means the experience of " I AM " as Absolute unconditioned uncared Truth. Words help the remembrance if the mind is pure enough for the reflected Intelligence of the Self to radiate through the mind enabling this " hearing " to penetrate through the mind's habit of attention. But the experience is beyond words, beyond seeing, beyond knowing, yet utterly here, but here in a way quite different than we can imagine. Here, now, yet pervasive. If you feel you don't quite hear of get the words, you will soon enough, as you keep up the daily Sadhana. Pieter UnQuote The above is not the only way, there are as many ways as there are people. You can even read Eckhart Tolle, Joel S Goldsmith and others, and have an experience. The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism can be found on this page; http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/The+Self%2C+Maya%2C+and+the+Heart%3A Blessings, Sat Avtar Kaur http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Thank you Sat Avtar Kaur. This is a very nice post. I would add my experience that I first had my taste of enlightenment while reading the " I, Ching " in my college days. Just trying to make sense of it opened pathways that gave me a moment of pure 'I Am' insight. And that experience has helped lead me here and into my current practice and roll as a student teacher. Looking back on it recently in reminiscence, I was happy to find that it's still way over my head! Fateh Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Sat Nam sister...very well said...and I concur...also Joel Goldsmith is someone I consider one of my main teachers... " Practicing the Presence " ...and the " Art of Spiritual Healing " I try and read at least once a year...and have for decades. You are right, there is always something more you can get from writings of people like this...no matter how many times you read them. I wasn't quit clear, sorry, I'm recording my life long Opus...I was never good at multi-tasking :-). I was concerned that people might think that what he was describing was the 'only' way these things happen. But as you talk about these other teachings like Joel...I see we are on the same page. Also that if younger teachers hadn't had experiences like this, I was concerned that they might feel like what they were doing wasn't good enough, and not contributing. But Pieter always makes it clear...If you are doing sadhna, you are solidly on the path and serving humanity greatly. The " inner lights " will unfold as they are needed, in there own timing. And I will continue this conversation, and share some of my own experiences as I finish some gnarly new challenges in " shabad " that I have taken on. Thanks for this......Kirantana Kundalini-Yoga , " MyraL " <myralorey wrote: > > Sat Nam Kirantana, > > I tried to talk myself out of saying anything, or not on your statement > Quote: " because for newer people Pieter can be overwhelming " . UnQuote > > That is an assumption. If a person gets overwhelmed, reading the writing of a person who lives in the non-dual state, they may tune it out and stop, but they will know where it is, and they will gain something from it, and something will be remembered and possibly even they can pass the information along. (now if you really want to be overwhelmed read Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, or Madame Blavatsky's writings). > > It use to be a well known fact, (early Christian Science, Theosophy, Vedanta) that one of the paths towards the non-dual state is reading the writings of a person who has reached enlightenment, self-realization, Non-dualism, Christ Consciousness or whatever you want to call it. As you try to understand what these writers are saying, you are getting closer to understanding it yourself, just one tiny realization of what they are saying can start a person their path. > > I just today ran across an email which Pieter sent to me in March 2008. I think he states it better than I did. > > Quote: > > There is a particular experience in Kundalini Yoga called One Star Spirituality, which comes as the sense of the seer is discriminated or isolated from what you see. There's a sense of radical Intelligence in which your interest or enquiry withdraws for what you are seeing and becomes absorbed in who sees, where the seeing is coming from. A sense of disengaging of attention begins to pervade the whole body and radiance penetrates everywhere. > > This will just begin to happen by Itself. The source is not in the area of the brain, rather in the heart, which is like the Sun in the body, and behind that Sun is Infinite all pervasive Being. > > Reading the various non-dual spiritual texts as part of the practice is helpful, as the Self recollects Itself in the words and lives of the Saints, Sages and Saviors of the various religions, like words to someone with amnesia, who hearing them begins to recollect, and then remembers and abides as who he/she is. > > The texts aren't really meant to compare, but rather to somehow be " heard " where you consider that the life and words are expressing the awakened state, and you try to somehow get what it is they are experiencing. And then suddenly you do. In Kundalini Yoga, this is called Pradupati or Crystallization. In the various religions it's a trinity of " hearing-recollection-abiding. " > > When this happens then all sorts of experiences and the clinging attention to them have no more hold on you. Whatever they are you abide entirely beyond them, yet as their substratum. > > The initial stages of this recognition are that you begin to realize yourself as a field or unit of consciousness, animating the body, lighting the mind, and no longer the body sensations and thought impressions. The distinction of seeing, seer and seen, fades and you see as a field of self-radiance. Your light lights the field around you. When the sense of " I " as " I " begins to become stronger, pulling inward like a graviton yet radiant penetrating light everywhere, there is an " impact " with the Infinite, and all separation and distinctions dissolves. > > This may seem a far off experience, but in fact it is the basis of our everyday experience. > Reading The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism a few times, maybe once a week , as you practice and consider what is written, will start to make all this clear. > All the phenomenological experiences are letting us know that there is more to who and what we are. But with steady daily practice of the various sets, kriyas and meditations, and understanding the proper breathing, the applied awareness, the active and passive aspects of each exercise, and occasional reading of spiritual texts, this " hearing " occurs. It disengages you from attention, and something new awakens, the recollection and abiding as your True Self. You experience for your Self what Christ meant when he came out of the dessert and said " I am the Truth. " Or when Nanak came from the cave and said Sat Nam, which means the experience of " I AM " as Absolute unconditioned uncared Truth. > Words help the remembrance if the mind is pure enough for the reflected Intelligence of the Self to radiate through the mind enabling this " hearing " to penetrate through the mind's habit of attention. But the experience is beyond words, beyond seeing, beyond knowing, yet utterly here, but here in a way quite different than we can imagine. Here, now, yet pervasive. > > If you feel you don't quite hear of get the words, you will soon enough, as you keep up the daily Sadhana. > > Pieter > UnQuote > > The above is not the only way, there are as many ways as there are people. You can even read Eckhart Tolle, Joel S Goldsmith and others, and have an experience. > The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism can be found on this page; > http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/The+Self%2C+Maya%2C+and+the+Heart%3A > > > Blessings, > > Sat Avtar Kaur > http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Fateh Singh...yes...awesome life long study the I Ching is. It has been a major influence for me too. I have 5 different translations. I have been moving back more into Tai Chi lately, so it has re-sparked my study of it. I'm even thinking in order to keep the old noggin from fogging as the earth keeps going around the Sun, to learn Chinese and learn to read it in the original...........K Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote: > > Thank you Sat Avtar Kaur. This is a very nice post. > > I would add my experience that I first had my taste of enlightenment while reading the " I, Ching " in my college days. > > Just trying to make sense of it opened pathways that gave me a moment of pure 'I Am' insight. And that experience has helped lead me here and into my current practice and roll as a student teacher. > > Looking back on it recently in reminiscence, I was happy to find that it's still way over my head! > > Fateh Singh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I was glad when the Peiter quoting posts were moved to another location. I tend to read all the posts we put up here, except I skim the announcements about classes. I enjoy the current discussions by live people, and I found the bunch of quoted or reposted stuff to be overwhelming in the sense that they were wordy and long and I don't actually like to read on the computer, so though the subject matter was interesting, I was skipping them, since they were old. Guru Beant Kaur in FL Bridget Kamke, LMT Kundalini Yoga Teacher Licensed Massage Therapist Children's Book Author www.infinipede.com __________ Top Bathroom Remodelers Get up to 4 free bathroom remodel estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=KeRH_wka6zyCNt0983liYAAAJz2u7S5oUx\ F0T6rVIwp71qWlAAQAAAAFAAAAANIjGz8AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYGAAAAAA= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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