RE: Response to yesterday's 4b. Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

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Dear Charles,

 

I see that I was registered under the 2 e-mail addresses that

were hacked and destroyed a couple of years back. So I changed my e-mail address

and will repost the e-mail I sent earlier

 

 

 

pietersa

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Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:50 AM

'Charles D. Frohman'

Response to yesterday's 4b. Re: Kundalini Energy and the older

posts...

 

 

 

Hi. Charles,

 

I responded to Kirantana’s 4b below from my pietersa. Hope it

went through and that your audience finds the information useful. I don’t

know if I receive the digest of Kundalini-Yoga .

 

Pieter

 

 

 

Charles D. Frohman

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Monday, November 02, 2009 8:06 PM

Pieter Samara

Fw: Digest Number 1656

 

 

 

 

You're being

mentioned a bit in 3HO's , if you care to clarify...

 

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Amar Atma

 

 

 

 

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1a.

Re: Old tunes -- Nobility

sevaplace01

1b.

Re: Old tunes -- Nobility

Guruprem Kaur

2a.

 

Re: ishnaan Fateh Singh

3a.

 

Re: Yoga for men Guruprem

Kaur

4a.

 

Re: Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

Fateh Singh

4b.

Re: Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

Kirantana

4c.

Re: Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

Kirantana

5a.

 

Yogi Bhajan Every Day Akal

Sahai Singh

6.

 

25-50 pounds pressure

Brian

7.

 

jay te gong music? Brian

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set question Paula Lucidi

 

 

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1a.

 

 

Re: Old tunes -- Nobility

Posted by: " sevaplace01 " krishna

sevaplace01

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 8:00 am (PST)

 

 

 

Sat Nam, Dev Saroop Kaur --

Greetings. As a simple nuance regarding the attribution that Raghu Rai Kaur

" wrote " the Nobility song, she was a friend to me in Espanola several

years after the song was recorded. And I want to honor her artistry and Seva

for that song, but also I think it might be more accurate to say that she

" wrote " Nobility in a similar way that John Gray " wrote "

Women Are From Venus, Men Are From Mars. They were both essentially

re-arrangements taken directly from Khalsa Women's Camp Notes (ie., lectures of

Siri Singh Sahib Yogi Bhajan). The phrasing of the lines in the song are so

clearly his way of saying, his way of observing and his way of understanding as

he taught us. It is clear for me that he deserves " first credit " for

the expressions and the vision in the song that were his expressions, in

literal use of his lecture material.

 

I'd love to hear the song again today, Guru Nanak's birthday celebration --

" Noble is a virtue of the presence of God. "

 

A beautiful reminder of Who really shines through us when " we " are at

our best. It's not us, it's the " essence " of us which is also the

essence of God.

 

Thank you for reminding about this classic, beautiful piece, and its sources.

 

Blessings,

Krishna Singh

 

Kundalini-Yoga, " Dev

Suroop Kaur " <candlelite@ ...> wrote:

>

> Sat Naam,

>

> Sat Kirin Kaur recorded a lovely version of Nobility on her album

Blessings of a Woman -- http://www.satkirin .com/index2.

html#1-music. You can also probably get the classic version of

Nobility from Ancient Healing Ways. I believe it's Raghu Rai Kaur who recorded

it. I think she wrote it as well.

>

> Blessings,

> Dev Suroop Kaur, Espanola

>

> Kundalini-Yoga, Barbara Cox

<blcox@> wrote:

> >

> > Anyone know of a recording of " Nobility " (called for in

kidney kriya) on cd or mp3?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Jagatjeet Kaur

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

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1b.

 

Re: Old tunes -- Nobility

Posted by: " Guruprem Kaur " guruprem

gurusbride

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 8:04 am (PST)

 

 

 

 

 

Sat Nam,

As an aside, the author of " A Noble Woman " was a young lady named

Wahe

Guru Kaur. She was my roommate in what was the Brentwood Ashram back in

1972, the year this song was written. Wahe Guru Kaur was a bit of a

quirky rhymer. In the original version of " A Noble Woman " she sang

that

a woman is noble " even if she lives in a tree. " This line was later

replaced with " even if she lives in poverty. "

 

Does anyone know where Wahe Guru Kaur, also known as Janet, is today? I

believe she was briefly married to Waheguru Singh of Los Angeles.

 

Loving Blessings,

SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa

www.yogagems. com

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: ishnaan

Posted by: " Fateh Singh " fatehsinghnyc fatehsingh_nyc

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 8:03 am (PST)

 

 

 

 

 

Sat Nam,

 

Wondering about the hot water before 'no-no'. I'd like to hear more about this

if anyone else has specific info. As I understand, the hot-cold-hot- cold thing

is prevalent in many cultures in their hydrotherapy.

 

And in talking to friends and teachers who do cold showers, I've found that no

two are even remotely alike! It's everyone's personal experience and there is

no 'right' way.

 

Personally, I do a nice long HOT shower first to get totally clean and relaxed.

Then I ease into the cold slowly until it's totally frigid, and then I do my 3

minutes of immersion and surrender with " Wahe Guru, Wahe Guru, Wahey,

Wahey, Wahe Guru " -- which was given in 'Meditation for Surrender' as the

mantra.

 

So, is this hot shower bad? I dunno... The cold part still does its work for

me, so... I'd like to hear more if anyone has specific reasons why Yogi Bhajan

considered it 'bad'??

 

Fateh Singh

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Yoga for men

Posted by: " Guruprem Kaur " guruprem

gurusbride

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 8:04 am (PST)

 

 

 

Sat Nam,

As a woman I have been watching this conversation on Sat Kriya for men

from the outside, but just now remembered a technique that makes Sat

Kriya easier for both men and women. It was given to a yoga class at

Solstice years ago when people had trouble keeping their legs up, and is

very simple:

 

Deeply press your fingertips on top of your head to either side of an

imagined " part down the middle. " Keeping the pressure, firmly pull

your

fingers slightly towards each side.

 

The teacher explained that this spreads the skull bone apart minutely

and imperceptibly to give a lasting effect. It worked for me and others

in the class, giving immediate results.

 

Loving Blessings,

SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa

www.yogagems. com

 

 

 

 

 

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4a.

 

 

Re: Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

 

Posted by: " Fateh Singh " fatehsinghnyc

fatehsingh_nyc

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 8:06 am (PST)

 

 

 

Thank you Sat Avtar Kaur. This

is a very nice post.

 

I would add my experience that I first had my taste of enlightenment while

reading the " I, Ching " in my college days.

 

Just trying to make sense of it opened pathways that gave me a moment of pure

'I Am' insight. And that experience has helped lead me here and into my current

practice and roll as a student teacher.

 

Looking back on it recently in reminiscence, I was happy to find that it's

still way over my head!

 

Fateh Singh

 

 

 

 

 

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4b.

 

Re: Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

 

Posted by: " Kirantana " kirantana

kirantana

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 3:00 pm (PST)

 

 

 

Sat Nam sister...very well

said...and I concur...also Joel Goldsmith is someone I consider one of my main

teachers... " Practicing the Presence " ...and the " Art of

Spiritual Healing " I try and read at least once a year...and have for

decades. You are right, there is always something more you can get from

writings of people like this...no matter how many times you read them. I wasn't

quit clear, sorry, I'm recording my life long Opus...I was never good at

multi-tasking :-). I was concerned that people might think that what he was

describing was the 'only' way these things happen. But as you talk about these

other teachings like Joel...I see we are on the same page. Also that if younger

teachers hadn't had experiences like this, I was concerned that they might feel

like what they were doing wasn't good enough, and not contributing. But Pieter

always makes it clear...If you are doing sadhna, you are solidly on the path

and serving humanity greatly. The " inner lights " will unfold as they

are needed, in there own timing.

And I will continue this conversation, and share some of my own experiences as

I finish some gnarly new challenges in " shabad " that I have taken on.

 

Thanks for this......Kirantana

 

Kundalini-Yoga,

" MyraL " <myralorey@. ..> wrote:

>

> Sat Nam Kirantana,

>

> I tried to talk myself out of saying anything, or not on your statement

> Quote: " because for newer people Pieter can be overwhelming " .

UnQuote

>

> That is an assumption. If a person gets overwhelmed, reading the writing

of a person who lives in the non-dual state, they may tune it out and stop, but

they will know where it is, and they will gain something from it, and something

will be remembered and possibly even they can pass the information along. (now

if you really want to be overwhelmed read Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His

Grandson, or Madame Blavatsky's writings).

>

> It use to be a well known fact, (early Christian Science, Theosophy,

Vedanta) that one of the paths towards the non-dual state is reading the

writings of a person who has reached enlightenment, self-realization,

Non-dualism, Christ Consciousness or whatever you want to call it. As you try

to understand what these writers are saying, you are getting closer to

understanding it yourself, just one tiny realization of what they are saying

can start a person their path.

>

> I just today ran across an email which Pieter sent to me in March 2008. I

think he states it better than I did.

>

> Quote:

>

> There is a particular experience in Kundalini Yoga called One Star

Spirituality, which comes as the sense of the seer is discriminated or isolated

from what you see. There's a sense of radical Intelligence in which your

interest or enquiry withdraws for what you are seeing and becomes absorbed in

who sees, where the seeing is coming from. A sense of disengaging of

attention begins to pervade the whole body and radiance penetrates everywhere.

>

> This will just begin to happen by Itself. The source is not in the area of

the brain, rather in the heart, which is like the Sun in the body, and behind

that Sun is Infinite all pervasive Being.

>

> Reading the various non-dual spiritual texts as part of the practice is

helpful, as the Self recollects Itself in the words and lives of the Saints,

Sages and Saviors of the various religions, like words to someone with amnesia,

who hearing them begins to recollect, and then remembers and abides as who

he/she is.

>

> The texts aren't really meant to compare, but rather to somehow be

" heard " where you consider that the life and words are expressing the

awakened state, and you try to somehow get what it is they are

experiencing. And then suddenly you do. In Kundalini Yoga, this is

called Pradupati or Crystallization. In the various religions it's a

trinity of " hearing-recollecti on-abiding. "

>

> When this happens then all sorts of experiences and the clinging attention

to them have no more hold on you. Whatever they are you abide entirely

beyond them, yet as their substratum.

>

> The initial stages of this recognition are that you begin to realize

yourself as a field or unit of consciousness, animating the body, lighting the

mind, and no longer the body sensations and thought impressions. The

distinction of seeing, seer and seen, fades and you see as a field of

self-radiance. Your light lights the field around you. When the sense

of " I " as " I " begins to become stronger, pulling inward

like a graviton yet radiant penetrating light everywhere, there is an

" impact " with the Infinite, and all separation and distinctions

dissolves.

>

> This may seem a far off experience, but in fact it is the basis of our

everyday experience.

> Reading The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism

a few times, maybe once a week , as you practice and consider what is

written, will start to make all this clear.

> All the phenomenological experiences are letting us know that there

is more to who and what we are. But with steady daily practice of the

various sets, kriyas and meditations, and understanding the proper breathing,

the applied awareness, the active and passive aspects of each exercise, and occasional

reading of spiritual texts, this " hearing " occurs. It

disengages you from attention, and something new awakens, the recollection and

abiding as your True Self. You experience for your Self what Christ meant when

he came out of the dessert and said " I am the Truth. " Or when Nanak

came from the cave and said Sat Nam, which means the experience of " I

AM " as Absolute unconditioned uncared Truth.

> Words help the remembrance if the mind is pure enough for the reflected

Intelligence of the Self to radiate through the mind enabling this

" hearing " to penetrate through the mind's habit of attention.

But the experience is beyond words, beyond seeing, beyond knowing, yet utterly

here, but here in a way quite different than we can imagine. Here, now, yet pervasive.

>

> If you feel you don't quite hear of get the words, you will soon enough,

as you keep up the daily Sadhana.

>

> Pieter

> UnQuote

>

> The above is not the only way, there are as many ways as there are people.

You can even read Eckhart Tolle, Joel S Goldsmith and others, and have an

experience.

> The Self, Maya and the Heart: The Philosophy of Non-Dualism can be found

on this page;

> http://www.kundalin iyogainfocntr.

com/page/ The+Self% 2C+Maya%2C+ and+the+Heart% 3A

>

>

> Blessings,

>

> Sat Avtar Kaur

> http://www.kundalin iyogainfocntr. com/

>

 

 

 

 

 

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4c.

 

Re: Kundalini Energy and the older posts...

 

Posted by: " Kirantana " kirantana

kirantana

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 3:02 pm (PST)

 

 

 

Fateh Singh...yes. ..awesome

life long study the I Ching is. It has been a major influence for me too. I

have 5 different translations. I have been moving back more into Tai Chi

lately, so it has re-sparked my study of it. I'm even thinking in order to keep

the old noggin from fogging as the earth keeps going around the Sun, to learn

Chinese and learn to read it in the original.... .......K

 

Kundalini-Yoga, " Fateh

Singh " <fatehsinghnyc@ ...> wrote:

>

> Thank you Sat Avtar Kaur. This is a very nice post.

>

> I would add my experience that I first had my taste of enlightenment while

reading the " I, Ching " in my college days.

>

> Just trying to make sense of it opened pathways that gave me a moment of

pure 'I Am' insight. And that experience has helped lead me here and into my

current practice and roll as a student teacher.

>

> Looking back on it recently in reminiscence, I was happy to find that it's

still way over my head!

>

> Fateh Singh

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Sat

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25-50 pounds pressure

Posted by: " Brian " nitawabrian

nitawabrian

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 7:03 pm (PST)

 

 

 

 

 

If a kriya says to press the hands together with 25-50 lbs of pressure, is that

a moderate press, a firm press, or an almost as hard as I can press?

 

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Brian

 

 

 

 

 

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jay te gong music?

Posted by: " Brian " nitawabrian

nitawabrian

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 7:05 pm (PST)

 

 

 

Guru Dev gave me a meditation

today using a mantra called " Jay te gong " and told me to get the

" Indian version. " Anyone know where I can get this?

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

 

 

 

 

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set question

Posted by: " Paula Lucidi " plucidi onefunnybabe

Sun

Nov 1, 2009 7:06 pm (PST)

 

 

 

Greetings

all,

 

I usually do a navel set, the 10 bodies set and then a set for the 5th

chakra. Most days I do just the 10 bodies set and 5th chakra. Should I

really do the 10 bodies first and then do the navel set and 5th chakra set?

I was thinking that the 10 bodies is a suitable warm up type set so maybe I

should switch around my order.

 

Thanks

Paula

 

 

 

 

 

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