Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Hi John, Thanks for posting this as it's an experience I had spontaneously yet had trouble describing it to anyone...I eventually gave it the name of 'Brahman' as it was beyond God or a name....it was un-namable. At the time that it happened I also felt a great fear of it..because it was too huge...expansive...for me to comprehend. Thats all gone now and my feelings are acceptance and love. I always thought the focus of mediation was to reach the deep inner peace and bring it up to the surface and allow it to be with us then as we went along with our daily lives...always feeling the deep peace, the calmness and also loving bliss and nurturance. The description marries it all together for me....as I was unable to put all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together from my spontaeous experiences. I'll keep a copy of this on file....for me....it's a very acurate description of the aim of meditation, speaking from my own personal experiences. Amaargi , " " <...> wrote: > > Chris, a while ago, I copied this definition of meditation from > somewhere. I would be grateful for your comments on its accuracy > and relevance to our practice, as meditation focus has always been > frustratingly elusive for me: Many thanks - John R. > > " In meditation practice, we change the focus of our energy that > externalizes itself in sense perception, we consciously bring our > awareness within, reverse its seemingly natural flow, towards > objects, that we avoid and label, very fast, underneath our > conscious level. When we first sit for meditation, and close our > eyes, generally we hear a lot of thoughts, and see with varying > clarity many images, depending on the power we have given to these > images by our consciousness We may chase them, thinking of the > things we may need to do and what not. We can also still hear things > and smell things on the physical level, the sense of smell goes > first after sight, then physical feeling, yet sound may still be > there for a while. Then the awareness, through the practice of > refocusing on the breath is brought deeper than the thoughts, and we > start to have kind of a conscious dream state, for this is the stuff > that dreams are made of, where a lot of non-secators, non-linear, > abstract and layered forms and words, just randomly go through our > awareness, this is awareness of the sub-conscious, yet we are in a > state of witnessing them. This is where we store all our experiences > and understandings of those experiences. In this place we aren't > even aware of any of the gross senses or time in the usual sense. > Then our awareness goes deeper than this, into a void, where > feelings hide, subtle deep feelings, mainly fear is the one feeling, > fear is the first feeling, after seeming separation from the source, > when subtle body consciousness is created, which it doesn't even > know that a source of itself exists in this state. This feeling has > no definition, for it has no-thing to blame or hold on to about it, > it is a self existent feeling, which comes from a sense of > incompleteness. Deeper in the void is peace, this we experience in > deep dreamless sleep, yet we are unaware of it, in meditation, we > bring awareness to this state of deep sleep, and are able to > experience this feeling intensely, a deep sense of peace, as the > peace, with no sense of form as ego " I " or a sense of time, this is > the abode of time, where all time is unified, in deep black space, > this is where the power behind the senses gets real rest, yet we are > generally unaware of it, so because of this the psyche, doesn't > really receive the full benefit of this rest, its just energetic > rest, not full-on rest of the psychic instruments as in the peace is > not brought fully to the awareness of being, which can then carry > this peace back to the material realm. Beyond this void, or causal > body is the transcendental state, the state of pure awareness, that > is beyond time and space, the True undefined Self, Buddha Nature, > God-Consciousness, all pervasive reality, the substratum of > existence, core of being, the Tao. In Hinduism, there are many names > for this, three names used frequently are Brahman (impersonal > absolute reality) and also Mahashunya (great void) or the meditative > state Turiya (Transcendental State). This state is so supremely > free, it actually exists in all states, as the different states yet > is free from them as well. It is supreme and pure consciousness that > plays as anger, and joy, within its all pervasive self, plays as > individuals that think themselves as separate ego existent beings. > The experience of this state is so free from definition, is totally > free from concepts, that it really can't be talked about it with > defining words, no concepts can attempt to describe it. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Is this going to help you experience these states? I hope so but be patient and use the breath as the feather you ride to each individual level. Please see below - chrism --- <...> wrote: > Chris, a while ago, I copied this definition of > meditation from > somewhere. I would be grateful for your comments on > its accuracy > and relevance to our practice, as meditation focus > has always been > frustratingly elusive for me: Many thanks - John R. > > > " In meditation practice, we change the focus of our > energy that > externalizes itself in sense perception, we > consciously bring our > awareness within, @@ Yes go with in John R and dont struggle with the effort of doing so, just breath and relax, breath and relax, you dont have to sit like a Yogi, just be comfortable at first and in a position that allows you to breath and relax. @@ reverse its seemingly natural > flow, towards > objects, that we avoid and label, very fast, > underneath our > conscious level. @@ Allow the flow of thoughts to go where they will for a while and let them sift themselves into a lower priority of attention @@ When we first sit for meditation, > and close our > eyes, generally we hear a lot of thoughts, and see > with varying > clarity many images, depending on the power we have > given to these > images by our consciousness We may chase them, > thinking of the > things we may need to do and what not. @@ This is normal but rtemeber what it is you are intending to do and allow your intent to relax the attentions towards objects of sight abdsmell and hearing and touch and taste @@ We can also > still hear things > and smell things on the physical level, the sense of > smell goes > first after sight, then physical feeling, yet sound > may still be > there for a while. Then the awareness, through the > practice of > refocusing on the breath is brought deeper than the > thoughts, and we > start to have kind of a conscious dream state, for > this is the stuff > that dreams are made of, where a lot of > non-secators, non-linear, > abstract and layered forms and words, just randomly > go through our > awareness, this is awareness of the sub-conscious, > yet we are in a > state of witnessing them. @@ The place where many people fall asleep. As you relaxed and mildly interested regardless of what appears you steer yopur boat (consciosness) into the middle of the river ( what is appearing ) and continue looking towards the horizon. @@ This is where we store all > our experiences > and understandings of those experiences. In this > place we aren't > even aware of any of the gross senses or time in the > usual sense. > Then our awareness goes deeper than this, into a > void, where > feelings hide, subtle deep feelings, mainly fear is > the one feeling, > fear is the first feeling, after seeming separation > from the source, > when subtle body consciousness is created, which it > doesn't even > know that a source of itself exists in this state. > This feeling has > no definition, for it has no-thing to blame or hold > on to about it, > it is a self existent feeling, which comes from a > sense of > incompleteness. @@ This is the lonelyness of separation from our true self. The outskirts of the ego-mind desparately trying to hold onto the idea that it is relevant. Fear is of the unknown - Who am I if Im not me? What am I? How am I? @@ Deeper in the void is peace, this we > experience in > deep dreamless sleep, yet we are unaware of it, in > meditation, we > bring awareness to this state of deep sleep, and are > able to > experience this feeling intensely, a deep sense of > peace, as the > peace, with no sense of form as ego " I " or a sense > of time, this is > the abode of time, where all time is unified, in > deep black space, > this is where the power behind the senses gets real > rest, yet we are > generally unaware of it, so because of this the > psyche, doesn't > really receive the full benefit of this rest, its > just energetic > rest, not full-on rest of the psychic instruments as > in the peace is > not brought fully to the awareness of being, which > can then carry > this peace back to the material realm. @@ Now the author is getting a bit diffused by trying to describe a state that can only be really witnessed by the meditator, who chooses to focus here, or the sleeper. It is the Theta state rest- and recovery. @@ Beyond this > void, or causal > body is the transcendental state, the state of pure > awareness, that > is beyond time and space, the True undefined Self, > Buddha Nature, > God-Consciousness, all pervasive reality, the > substratum of > existence, core of being, the Tao. In Hinduism, > there are many names > for this, three names used frequently are Brahman > (impersonal > absolute reality) and also Mahashunya (great void) > or the meditative > state Turiya (Transcendental State). This state is > so supremely > free, it actually exists in all states, as the > different states yet > is free from them as well. It is supreme and pure > consciousness that > plays as anger, and joy, within its all pervasive > self, plays as > individuals that think themselves as separate ego > existent beings. > The experience of this state is so free from > definition, is totally > free from concepts, that it really can't be talked > about it with > defining words, no concepts can attempt to describe > it. " @@ Yes the final destination. Beyond duality yet part of it. There is more to go as this state isnt the end of the journey. As one becomes at one with this place ( unavoidable yet distinct) one becomes aware of the endless levels of the heavanly realm that even here there is still the journey into oneness with creation/creator but not just for the individual/wholeness but for all those that have become trapped in the physical realms. This is where freedom is experienced but evolution of the soul continues on, not for itself but for the all that is.... my take on it john R - @@ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Thanks Chris, that commentary was what I was looking for. Hope all goes well for your friend in Colorado. We look forward to your return - John R. , chrism <> wrote: > > Is this going to help you experience these states? I > hope so but be patient and use the breath as the > feather you ride to each individual level. Please see > below - chrism > > --- <...> wrote: > > > Chris, a while ago, I copied this definition of > > meditation from > > somewhere. I would be grateful for your comments on > > its accuracy > > and relevance to our practice, as meditation focus > > has always been > > frustratingly elusive for me: Many thanks - John R. > > > > > > " In meditation practice, we change the focus of our > > energy that > > externalizes itself in sense perception, we > > consciously bring our > > awareness within, > > @@ Yes go with in John R and dont struggle with the > effort of doing so, just breath and relax, breath and > relax, you dont have to sit like a Yogi, just be > comfortable at first and in a position that allows you > to breath and relax. @@ > > reverse its seemingly natural > > flow, towards > > objects, that we avoid and label, very fast, > > underneath our > > conscious level. > > @@ Allow the flow of thoughts to go where they will > for a while and let them sift themselves into a lower > priority of attention @@ > > When we first sit for meditation, > > and close our > > eyes, generally we hear a lot of thoughts, and see > > with varying > > clarity many images, depending on the power we have > > given to these > > images by our consciousness We may chase them, > > thinking of the > > things we may need to do and what not. > > @@ This is normal but rtemeber what it is you are > intending to do and allow your intent to relax the > attentions towards objects of sight abdsmell and > hearing and touch and taste @@ > > We can also > > still hear things > > and smell things on the physical level, the sense of > > smell goes > > first after sight, then physical feeling, yet sound > > may still be > > there for a while. > > > > Then the awareness, through the > > practice of > > refocusing on the breath is brought deeper than the > > thoughts, and we > > start to have kind of a conscious dream state, for > > this is the stuff > > that dreams are made of, where a lot of > > non-secators, non-linear, > > abstract and layered forms and words, just randomly > > go through our > > awareness, this is awareness of the sub-conscious, > > yet we are in a > > state of witnessing them. > > @@ The place where many people fall asleep. As you > relaxed and mildly interested regardless of what > appears you steer yopur boat (consciosness) into the > middle of the river ( what is appearing ) and continue > looking towards the horizon. @@ > > > > This is where we store all > > our experiences > > and understandings of those experiences. In this > > place we aren't > > even aware of any of the gross senses or time in the > > usual sense. > > > > Then our awareness goes deeper than this, into a > > void, where > > feelings hide, subtle deep feelings, mainly fear is > > the one feeling, > > fear is the first feeling, after seeming separation > > from the source, > > when subtle body consciousness is created, which it > > doesn't even > > know that a source of itself exists in this state. > > This feeling has > > no definition, for it has no-thing to blame or hold > > on to about it, > > it is a self existent feeling, which comes from a > > sense of > > incompleteness. > > > @@ This is the lonelyness of separation from our true > self. The outskirts of the ego-mind desparately trying > to hold onto the idea that it is relevant. Fear is of > the unknown - Who am I if Im not me? What am I? How am > I? @@ > > > Deeper in the void is peace, this we > > experience in > > deep dreamless sleep, yet we are unaware of it, in > > meditation, we > > bring awareness to this state of deep sleep, and are > > able to > > experience this feeling intensely, a deep sense of > > peace, as the > > peace, with no sense of form as ego " I " or a sense > > of time, this is > > the abode of time, where all time is unified, in > > deep black space, > > this is where the power behind the senses gets real > > rest, yet we are > > generally unaware of it, so because of this the > > psyche, doesn't > > really receive the full benefit of this rest, its > > just energetic > > rest, not full-on rest of the psychic instruments as > > in the peace is > > not brought fully to the awareness of being, which > > can then carry > > this peace back to the material realm. > > @@ Now the author is getting a bit diffused by trying > to describe a state that can only be really witnessed > by the meditator, who chooses to focus here, or the > sleeper. It is the Theta state rest- and recovery. @@ > > > Beyond this > > void, or causal > > body is the transcendental state, the state of pure > > awareness, that > > is beyond time and space, the True undefined Self, > > Buddha Nature, > > God-Consciousness, all pervasive reality, the > > substratum of > > existence, core of being, the Tao. In Hinduism, > > there are many names > > for this, three names used frequently are Brahman > > (impersonal > > absolute reality) and also Mahashunya (great void) > > or the meditative > > state Turiya (Transcendental State). This state is > > so supremely > > free, it actually exists in all states, as the > > different states yet > > is free from them as well. It is supreme and pure > > consciousness that > > plays as anger, and joy, within its all pervasive > > self, plays as > > individuals that think themselves as separate ego > > existent beings. > > The experience of this state is so free from > > definition, is totally > > free from concepts, that it really can't be talked > > about it with > > defining words, no concepts can attempt to describe > > it. " > > @@ Yes the final destination. Beyond duality yet part > of it. There is more to go as this state isnt the end > of the journey. As one becomes at one with this place > ( unavoidable yet distinct) one becomes aware of the > endless levels of the heavanly realm that even here > there is still the journey into oneness with > creation/creator but not just for the > individual/wholeness but for all those that have > become trapped in the physical realms. This is where > freedom is experienced but evolution of the soul > continues on, not for itself but for the all that > is.... my take on it john R - @@ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Chrism, Inspired by your meditation post, I just had my very first session. I've heard that sitting under a tree in lotus works nicely, so that is what I did. I took a cushion out in the back garden and grew quite warm enveloped by the reaching rays of the morning sun. So, I " did it " for 10 whole minutes, then (a bit hot, and finding my cat to have lain directly in front of my lotus during the proceedings) concluded with a roll of my neck. With my head thus bowed, the Great Earth Spirit in the form of a bird anointed the base of my neck at what is sure to be some sort of important energy centre. My humble efforts have been sanctioned. Thought you should know. As for introductions, some may know me from the OBE group. Otherwise, my only distinguishing feature here will be my total ignorance of the subject of kundalini. When in higher states, I believe I have used it " instinctively " on occasion (in a sexual context), but only recently learned " it " had a name. I think I ran into it trying to research ascension online. So that's me and the total fund of my knowledge. Any help and direction on learning the fundamentals appreciated. c., like your other post, too about the virtues and groundwork. already feeling more enlightened, Droxine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 That sounds profoundly calm and serene. Blessings Dhyana, With love and a massive HUG (I love the idea by the way of the free hugs sign! LOL) Elektra x x x ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Inbox. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Thank you, dear friend. I didn't get a chance to do the hug sign thing, but I did learn that I can just release the joy into the atmosphere and not feel like I'm going to explode! Love and hug. , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > That sounds profoundly calm and serene. > Blessings Dhyana, > With love and a massive HUG (I love the idea by the > way of the free hugs sign! LOL) > Elektra x x x > > > ________ > Sent from Mail. > A Smarter Inbox. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Walk briskly for half an hour before meditating. Not only will the discomfort disappear, you will be able to reach deeper levels during meditation. Regards VG --- On Wed, 16/7/08, Denny Norton <dennynorton wrote: Denny Norton <dennynorton Meditation Wednesday, 16 July, 2008, 7:39 PM I have started back up Meditating after a long break. I am experiencing some hip and leg discomfort when I reach a curtain point of relaxation and meditation. This discomfort does not hurt. It just feels like a partial leg paralysis and numbing effect that feels weird and is causing me to lose focus in meditating. I have tried sitting, laying down, and using a pillow to prop up my hip and leg. Nothing seems to help. I want to get past this blockage. Any suggestions? Denny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks VG...I have not tried the brisk walk exercise. This looks to me like a WIN WIN situation. I get more walking in and I can go deeper into meditations. Yippee!!! I cannot wait to try this one this evening. Denny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 When this sensation comes go into it and allow it to communicate to you what the isue that needs resolution is. This is merely for the ego mind so that this part of who you are can form an intention. It may be difficult at first but the body knows and will communicate to you that knowledge - c , " Denny Norton " <dennynorton wrote: > > I have started back up Meditating after a long break. I am experiencing some > hip and leg discomfort when I reach a curtain point of relaxation and > meditation. This discomfort does not hurt. It just feels like a partial leg > paralysis and numbing effect that feels weird and is causing me to lose > focus in meditating. I have tried sitting, laying down, and using a pillow > to prop up my hip and leg. Nothing seems to help. I want to get past this > blockage. Any suggestions? > > > > Denny > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 How about a moving meditation? Walking or tia chi? Just a thought. Hope you find a solution dear Denny. Love you loads elektra x x x ________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hi, a question for Chrism You recommended that head be slightly tilted up. I remember you suggesting that the head be down in the throat lock. Does it matter which I choose? rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 sat nam ji's! someone ask me for a meditation to found sense, goal in life. can someone give me a tip? thanx in advance gurbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Sat Nam Gurbani Kaur, There's a kriya called Diamond Kriya that one can do to help discover your purpose in life, and crystallize your focus on your destiny. Any kriya or meditation working on the crown chakra also works on our destiny and therefore our purpose. A good tantric numerology reading can also help. Of course, this is a loaded question... And it could be arrived at in so many ways for any different person. For a woman, finding sense or purpose may be arrived at more from the stand point of feeling, emotion and fulfillment, so something enhancing intuition and an unblocked connection to the divine would open up the love that would help make sense of things when they seem clouded. For a man, this would be arrived more from a standpoint of balance and calculation of all the possibilities, so again intuition would be good to work on, but also balancing of the psyche and desires would make for a clearer decision making process and better confidence. And as always, we have our 10 bodies, so we can balance and use them all, and call upon them for help... We can ask them what we need - they are there to answer us. And whatever they may choose, let them know they are supported. Love and blessings, Fateh Singh Kundalini-Yoga , " Gurbani " <gurbanikaur78 wrote: > > sat nam ji's! > someone ask me for a meditation to found sense, goal in life. > can someone give me a tip? > thanx in advance > gurbani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Sat Nam Gurbani,The sound current "Sat Nam" will help someone find their highest destiny. The "Seven-Wave Sat Nam" could help the person feel like this awareness is circulated throughout the entire body and each chakra. A simple practice that could integrate the mantra into every aspect of life would be to listen to the sound SAT with every inhale, and listen to the sound NAM with every exhale-- when at a stop light, when on an elevator, when one is put on hold on the phone, when walking. All love,Premdev Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 You had some great responses, already. Here's what I remember.......... Kirtan Kriya (Sa Ta Na Ma) will find the destiny. Wahe Guru will fulfill it -Dharam www.sahej.com www.amritvela.org www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?ref=name & id=602688331 God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -Voltaire Gurbani wrote: sat nam ji's! someone ask me for a meditation to found sense, goal in life. can someone give me a tip? thanx in advance gurbani ( ID required) <*> To change settings via email: Kundalini-Yoga-digest Kundalini-Yoga-fullfeatured <*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 The meditation in the Survival manual " When you don't know what to do " . Great for getting on track and unstuck Blessings Gurutejfollow me www.twitter.com/gurutej www.theenergygurus.com www.gurutej.com follow me http://www.facebook.com/gurutej " Diamonds or Dust the choice is yours both are created by pressure " . What do you do with yours? 310-734-6776 Kundalini-Yoga , d h a r a m <pranahsaurus wrote: > > You had some great responses, already. > Here's what I remember.......... > > Kirtan Kriya (Sa Ta Na Ma) will find the destiny. > Wahe Guru will fulfill it > > -Dharam > www.sahej.com > www.amritvela.org > www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?ref=name & id=602688331 > > God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. > -Voltaire > > Gurbani wrote: > > sat nam ji's! > > someone ask me for a meditation to found sense, goal in life. > > can someone give me a tip? > > thanx in advance > > gurbani > > > > > > ( ID required) > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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