Tricks

[Guest guest]

Dear Guru Prem

But how spiritual are those qoutes, calling people fools, and saying that your

money will be doubled by your boss(yeah right), and hitting with shoes.

 

I was talking to some Sikhs and they were saying that Yogi Bhajan was a con man,

and only gave mental tricks. And I thought about this, and considered how

little in actual real terms KY has helped me. I may not meditate like you guys,

but then compared to an average person who doesnt meditate at all, I have

practiced considerably, I may try going back to just Vipassanna or watching the

breath as if I was to do that for 1 or 2 hours a day it would probably be

amazing.

 

Then there is the religion, and this money, money, money, maybe you should just

let the cereal go and the tea and start your own one. It all just seems so

pathetic, I wish these teachings werent connected to religon.

 

This is all big business, but how many teachers are really awakened, everyone

says find a teacher, find a teacher, but teachers are in business, okay fair

enough if you want to learn some techniques and postures, but I thought a Guru

was like a Father or a Mother, a deeper relationship than that. I dont feel

good and I wonder if this KY is so powerful as it is hyped, why this is.

As for prayer and that, well it may help some, but I dont find it of any use. I

remember praying sincerely as a kid, then some of the worst stuff that could

happen to a kid happened to me, and I just felt God was a *##*. So we say oh

that was karma and such forth, making it up as we go along.

Blessings,

Sukhnivas

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Sukhnivas Singh

 

But how spiritual are those qoutes, calling people fools, and saying

that your money will be doubled by your boss(yeah right), and hitting

with shoes.

 

/The Gurus poke, confront and elevate. Even if the English sounds odd,

their meaning goes much deeper than money, boss and shoes. Money means

energy--when energy is not caught up in intense emotions it doubles as

profound devotion, boss means Lord Master, and shoe beating means " wake

up--your actions are not socially acceptable. " /

 

I was talking to some Sikhs and they were saying that Yogi Bhajan was a

con man, and only gave mental tricks.

 

/Yogiji was God's con man. He conned me, and I knowingly went along with

it, into marriages with men who negated, abused and betrayed me,

royally. I have done and am doing enough yoga to see it all clearly,

forgive people for not seeing my soul, and devote my efforts to helping

others rise above suppression to serve the new age rather than be

victims of it.

 

Yogiji gave great mental tricks, like the mantra V-I-C-T-O-R-Y, where

you take a deep breath, hold it and mentally repeat the word over the

space of seven seconds to bring a legend of angels to your aid. I use it

at the end of every Kundalini Yoga Kriya on the last inhale, then

visualize exhaling angels to bless the world.

/

And I thought about this, and considered how little in actual real terms

KY has helped me. I may not meditate like you guys, but then compared to

an average person who doesnt meditate at all, I have practiced

considerably, I may try going back to just Vipassanna or watching the

breath as if I was to do that for 1 or 2 hours a day it would probably

be amazing.

/

When you have a dedicated practice of Kundalini Yoga you become radiant,

attract flies and get all sorts of wondrous dive-bombing bugs bugging

you. It seems like you are just getting more messed up, with all that

smashed bug juice stinking you up, but it is not you. You are still a

radiant soul. If 1 to 2 hours of just Vipassanna could be amazing, think

what even 31 minutes of Sat Kriya every day ongoing would do for you. It

may take two years, like it took me, of breaking through lifetimes of

attachments screeching and crying, yet then you are free, all chakras

open, powerful and whole. Why settle for less?--especially on the

threshold of a the new age?!/

 

Then there is the religion, and this money, money, money, maybe you

should just let the cereal go and the tea and start your own one. It all

just seems so pathetic, I wish these teachings werent connected to religon.

 

You got it all right. Sikhism is a lifestyle of living as God made you.

The first Guru, Guru Nanak's Guru was Sat Nam, the sound of the breath,

conscious breathing to relate to the soul.

 

/The UI and SDS folks who have disconnected themselves from spiritual

values are degrading the businesses and taking over leadership positions

and properties. Those they displaced were loyal, devoted Sikhs in it to

serve mankind, not to get rich. Yogi Bhajan encouraged us to create

conscious businesses and services to sustain ourselves and to provide

jobs for our generations. Those businesses that came under his umbrella

of protection have begun to lose all protections. That is what is

pathetic. /

 

This is all big business, but how many teachers are really awakened,

everyone says find a teacher, find a teacher, but teachers are in

business, okay fair enough if you want to learn some techniques and

postures, but I thought a Guru was like a Father or a Mother, a deeper

relationship than that. I dont feel good and I wonder if this KY is so

powerful as it is hyped, why this is.

 

/The UI take over is all big business and legalities. The folks that ran

SDI do not accept ruthless authority. If UI legally takes control of 3HO

business and administration of Sikh offices, it does not make them

leaders. You are only a leader if people trust and follow you. SDI folks

are doing business as usual. They do not recognize UI or SDS leadership

and never will. If the courts decide in UI's favor, sangat members have

the training and expertise to continue doing what they do in a parallel

organization and if need be at a different location. Guru Arjan left the

Golden Temple when his brother claimed to be Guru and set up his court

elsewhere without a word of complaint, leaving all worldly possessions

behind. His mission was not about possessions and power. It was about

service, love and sharing the teachings. /

 

 

As for prayer and that, well it may help some, but I dont find it of any

use. I remember praying sincerely as a kid, then some of the worst stuff

that could happen to a kid happened to me, and I just felt God was a

*##*. So we say oh that was karma and such forth, making it up as we go

along.

Blessings,

Sukhnivas

 

And blessings to you Sukhnivas, that you may forgive the worst stuff

with peace and beauty.

 

Loving blessings,

SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa

www.yogagems.com

www.myspace.com/guruprem

[Guest guest]

Sat nam Sukhnivas-

 

Thanks for always posting what you think--i think it keeps the dialogue in here

honest and ever-flowing. I agree with you and Kirantana about creating new

opportunities. I don't really have an opinion on fighting the current UI

board--the people who want to, fine, I can see how people could be attached

after so many years and hard work. I too am very sad to see Yogi Bhajan

disappear from the tea bags, but I can still see him on my altar--and those

quotes, those are his, so while his face is gone, his words aren't.

 

You know, what you guys are doing over there in Millis---reaching out to train

people to use KY in a therapeutic fashion with the medical community- now that's

a great new venture! There can be much for everyone to gain by growing that

business, as I know its existed in various forms over the past 30 years. I

agree with Fateh, strike while the iron is hot.

 

I also wanted to comment on " I wish these teachings weren't connected to

religion " . I've definitely done a back and forth struggle about the whole

religion vs spirituality thing, and this is what I've come to: Religion is a

formula for spirituality. You don't need it to be spiritual, but for those who

need/like a set path, its a helpful tool. But all religions have the same

elements that help people on the path to their true souls and God: prayer,

dress, eating, behavior,...etc. I go to church every sunday (i'm a professional

church musician) and am blessed to be employed by a progressive episcopal

church, and find that many bible passages have the same end message as things

I've read in peace lagoon or in SGGS. Its funny, i grew up catholic, but find

the spiritual path easier to walk in Sikhism. So the religion part...it really

doesn't matter, really...really really (aka shrek in a scottish accent). Its

how you act, who you are that matters, because each religion is going for the

same end product--be compassionate, serve, pray, meditate on God. Everything

else is just obstacles along the way (which everyone, on any path, is bound to

encounter. Nothing new...) I think that's where yoga and mantra come in, to help

us break through the blocks, find the real SAT NAM. Allow KY to be what it is

for you, don't hold yourself up to expectations that it should be like it is for

other people. And the teacher/guru thing-- i think that's why YB pointed us to

the sikh gurus and the Siri Guru Granth Sahib (esp Guru Ram Das, in the context

of KY specifically) to connect us with a greater guru, above any human being.

I'll agree that its not for everyone, but I believe this is what he was getting

at. But as Kiratana said, if for you that is Jesus, or the Koran, then that can

be your Guru too. Ultimately, its our own soul and intuition that should be our

Gu->ru (lead us from darkness to light?)

 

 

Sat nam, Kehar

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " beautiful22 " <22taro wrote:

>

> Dear Guru Prem

> But how spiritual are those qoutes, calling people fools, and saying that your

money will be doubled by your boss(yeah right), and hitting with shoes.

>

> I was talking to some Sikhs and they were saying that Yogi Bhajan was a con

man, and only gave mental tricks. And I thought about this, and considered how

little in actual real terms KY has helped me. I may not meditate like you guys,

but then compared to an average person who doesnt meditate at all, I have

practiced considerably, I may try going back to just Vipassanna or watching the

breath as if I was to do that for 1 or 2 hours a day it would probably be

amazing.

>

> Then there is the religion, and this money, money, money, maybe you should

just let the cereal go and the tea and start your own one. It all just seems so

pathetic, I wish these teachings werent connected to religon.

>

> This is all big business, but how many teachers are really awakened, everyone

says find a teacher, find a teacher, but teachers are in business, okay fair

enough if you want to learn some techniques and postures, but I thought a Guru

was like a Father or a Mother, a deeper relationship than that. I dont feel

good and I wonder if this KY is so powerful as it is hyped, why this is.

> As for prayer and that, well it may help some, but I dont find it of any use.

I remember praying sincerely as a kid, then some of the worst stuff that could

happen to a kid happened to me, and I just felt God was a *##*. So we say oh

that was karma and such forth, making it up as we go along.

> Blessings,

> Sukhnivas

>