finding a relationship

December 22, 2009

Satnam ji,Our spiritual practice promotes commitment.In a romantic relationship this is also required.There is no relationship without committment like there isno date witout a pit!The shabd I recorded for finding a "mate"on SHABD VOL. 1...called MANGALA SAAJ BHAY AA......."You can recite this 11 times a day for 90 days. Read and understand it.Also, you can sing for 31 minutes.By Satkirin Kaur KhalsaITUNES/CD BABY/SPIRIT VOYAGE MUSIC all have it I ever sing God's praise and speak God's Nam and by Guru's instruction I enjoy the love of God. www.satkirin.com

December 23, 2009

Hopefully someone will know and have the time to go into details of your

question as language is important and the polarity of the universe and the

difficulty bringing up this topic. From reading your post, I am not quite

certain about your polarity view.

After going through similar feelings as a hetero male in the current misandry

society, I read a bunch of yin/yang from a Taoist perspective and intergrated it

into my view of a polarity universe…each polarity has value…each polarity is

contributing…but not the same.

After a few years, I felt more comfortable in my skin and reading translations

that at times continue to confuse what is " really " the polarity and what is as

you say " the misogynist spiritual view of life and the universe " .

I interpret Yogi Bhajan to know the difference but was less concerned in his

direct teaching. My view is that Yogi Bhajan assisted women and men in taking

back the " value " of their own polarity.

Sat Ganesha Singh

" participate, share, contribute "

Kundalini-Yoga , " April " <april_parchoma wrote:

>

> Sat nam yogis,

>

> I have a question, that's not supposed to be cheeky, because it's authentic,

but it may sound cheeky.

>

> Is all the mantra scripture designed in accordance with misogynist spiritual

lens of the universe? Is the mantra literature written with a male-centric view

of the Universe - I.E. that infinity is male, or is it the careful translation

to English?

>

> I love the mantras, I love how they work, I love the blissful balance I feel

after practicing Kundalini meditation, but I also feel placed in a ridiculous

situation when I read some of the translations because in my own, personally

personal personable heart infinity has no gender, and I find it is often

creation stories that provide gender through a cultural lens, or a Christo-Judao

lens is the background of the translator. In my worldview there is no

omnipresent capital L lord, and it's difficult, unsettling, and in fact

unrealistic for me to interpret the mantras in this way.

>

> I recognize that gender issues are surface in relation to the effectiveness of

the mantras, and acknowledge that my emotions are my own responsibility;

however, I'm still curious about the attachment the translations have to gender

- is it from the source material or the lack of gender neutral words in English?

>

> For example, I feel like I'm reading part of The Bible rather than reading a

translation of eastern meditations in the soul-mate mantra: " The time of

rejoicing has come; I sing of my Lord God. I have heard of my Imperishable

Husband Lord, and happiness fills my mind. My mind is in love with Him; when

shall I realize my great good fortune,

> and meet with my Perfect Husband?

>

> I apologize for the offensive ripple that may wave through those of you with a

Christian/Jewish background, and if you're offended by me lumping ya'll

together, and further to those who may have translated this piece with hearts

filled with bliss and love and connection to the spiritual support available to

anyone who wishes to venture in this direction. I pose this question as a

selfish attempt to authentically connect with the language of the mantras, and

to intellectually develop my own language to support my practice - outside of

the misogynist spiritual view of life and the universe.

>

> If in fact the translations hold true, and this is the language which supports

my spirit and cleanses my subconscious, then all I can do is express is my

gratitude for the ancestors who practiced this holy exercise in the spirit of

bliss and elevation, and trust that my journey is supported even in the lens of

misogyny, and trust that the spirit of the practice is not lost in translation.

>

> Thank you for your patience in reviewing this post,

>

> With much love and respect, April/Amarbir Kaur

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " Yoga Jap " <noi@> wrote:

> >

> > Sat Nam!

> >

> > Search for " Marriage

> > Mantras "

-http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/Kundalini+Yoga+Mantras+L+-+P

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > Sujan S.

> >

> > ---- Original Message ----

> > " Paula Lucidi " <plucidi@>

> > <Kundalini-Yoga >

> > Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:25 AM

> > finding a relationship

> >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > I am wondering if there is any info on finding a romantic

> > > relationship, as well as finding good friends/best friend.

> > >

> > > I know of some Sanskrit mantras for finding a husband and for

> > > friendship. I am wondering if there are any kriyas or mantras in KY.

> > > As well, if one is having difficulty in finding a husband/wife, is

> > > this just a karmic situation or is this maybe influenced by their

> > > chakras?

> >

>

December 23, 2009

Sat Nam

We had this private exchange and then decided to post it on the fourm..I'd love feedback on whether "women of a certain age" -- of the "Young at Heart Chakra" as Kudrat kaur has so delightfully dubbed it...have found success in a later in life relationship chanting So Purkh....

Blessings,

Wahe Guru Kaur

----Original Message-----

Bill Carpenter <carpfam

lenorerothman

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:47 pm

Re: finding a relationship

Sat Nam,

Maybe that is the real age, the young at heart chakra!

But anyway, one of my kundalini yoga teachers said it worked for her daughter, who had a man in mind. She sounded confident about the matter. I'd love to know if anyone else has thoughts on this.

Kudrat kaur

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, lenorerothman <lenorerothman wrote:

lenorerothman <lenorerothman

Re: finding a relationship

carpfam

Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:51 AM

Sat Nam

Here I am again! Have you heard of it working for someone "our age"?? (lol)

I have been alone a long time...would prefer to be in relationship....Yogi -ji did not seem to address women beyond a certain age who are divorced, widowed, etc

(who are definitely "youthful at heart')

Many thanks for your thoughts

Wahe Guru Kaur

December 26, 2009

Hello April.......I always had trouble with the literature of the Guru Granth

Sahib, and after carefully reading it for many years I decided I was not a Sikh.

Though I respect their religion as much as I respect anyone's, there were many

ideas I just did not agree with and could not correspond with my own

'communions' with God. But I always assumed that the Guru's enlightenment's were

at least as real as my own, and for myself, the word " God " does not signify

" male " . It is just a word I use to try and speak about what can't be explained.

As to the Guru's " personal " ideas of male and female, I have no idea, and have

never been curious. But I wholeheartedly support you in trusting that Your

" journey is supported even in the lens of misogyny, and trust that the spirit of

the practice is not lost in translation. " I have always found this to be the

case. If all this practice does not lead to " self trust " then what good is it?

Feel confident in making up your own mantras and words, and anything else you

need to do... to form resonance with the experiences you seek. There is no one

'correct' way for any of this.

In all peace Kirantana

Kundalini-Yoga , " April " <april_parchoma wrote:

>

> Sat nam yogis,

>

> I have a question, that's not supposed to be cheeky, because it's authentic,

but it may sound cheeky.

>

> Is all the mantra scripture designed in accordance with misogynist spiritual

lens of the universe? Is the mantra literature written with a male-centric view

of the Universe - I.E. that infinity is male, or is it the careful translation

to English?

>

> I love the mantras, I love how they work, I love the blissful balance I feel

after practicing Kundalini meditation, but I also feel placed in a ridiculous

situation when I read some of the translations because in my own, personally

personal personable heart infinity has no gender, and I find it is often

creation stories that provide gender through a cultural lens, or a Christo-Judao

lens is the background of the translator. In my worldview there is no

omnipresent capital L lord, and it's difficult, unsettling, and in fact

unrealistic for me to interpret the mantras in this way.

>

> I recognize that gender issues are surface in relation to the effectiveness of

the mantras, and acknowledge that my emotions are my own responsibility;

however, I'm still curious about the attachment the translations have to gender

- is it from the source material or the lack of gender neutral words in English?

>

> For example, I feel like I'm reading part of The Bible rather than reading a

translation of eastern meditations in the soul-mate mantra: " The time of

rejoicing has come; I sing of my Lord God. I have heard of my Imperishable

Husband Lord, and happiness fills my mind. My mind is in love with Him; when

shall I realize my great good fortune,

> and meet with my Perfect Husband?

>

> I apologize for the offensive ripple that may wave through those of you with a

Christian/Jewish background, and if you're offended by me lumping ya'll

together, and further to those who may have translated this piece with hearts

filled with bliss and love and connection to the spiritual support available to

anyone who wishes to venture in this direction. I pose this question as a

selfish attempt to authentically connect with the language of the mantras, and

to intellectually develop my own language to support my practice - outside of

the misogynist spiritual view of life and the universe.

>

> If in fact the translations hold true, and this is the language which supports

my spirit and cleanses my subconscious, then all I can do is express is my

gratitude for the ancestors who practiced this holy exercise in the spirit of

bliss and elevation, and trust that my journey is supported even in the lens of

misogyny, and trust that the spirit of the practice is not lost in translation.

>

> Thank you for your patience in reviewing this post,

>

> With much love and respect, April/Amarbir Kaur

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " Yoga Jap " <noi@> wrote:

> >

> > Sat Nam!

> >

> > Search for " Marriage

> > Mantras "

-http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/Kundalini+Yoga+Mantras+L+-+P

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > Sujan S.

> >

> > ---- Original Message ----

> > " Paula Lucidi " <plucidi@>

> > <Kundalini-Yoga >

> > Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:25 AM

> > finding a relationship

> >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > I am wondering if there is any info on finding a romantic

> > > relationship, as well as finding good friends/best friend.

> > >

> > > I know of some Sanskrit mantras for finding a husband and for

> > > friendship. I am wondering if there are any kriyas or mantras in KY.

> > > As well, if one is having difficulty in finding a husband/wife, is

> > > this just a karmic situation or is this maybe influenced by their

> > > chakras?

> >

>

December 26, 2009

Sat Nam, 3HO community

yes! this is an extremely important dialogue - and what better time of the year

to address such themes!! I feel that most scriptures reflect the essence of that

particular time-space continuum, so they possess a quality of the infinite and,

often, shades of the current mindset. Hence, the word " Lord " assuming a

masculine gender.

We have suffered through the patriachial superstructure now for 3000-5000 years

(depending on the location/culture). Thankfully, this period is now coming to a

deserved end. WAHE GURU. The feminine is re-creating new balance, new

possibilities for an awakened world community - one that respects the freedom of

each individual, the beauty and uniqueness of every soul!!

Kundalini Yoga (and more specifically Naad Yoga & Kirtan) is for me a key

component of this global awakening. Daily sadhana will carry us through this

awesome rollercoaster ride to freedom, true freedom ....

WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU

WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU

in Oneness,

EK ONG KAR SAT NAM SIRI WAHE GURU

Hari Ram Singh

Kundalini-Yoga , " Kirantana " <kirantana wrote:

>

> Hello April.......I always had trouble with the literature of the Guru Granth

Sahib, and after carefully reading it for many years I decided I was not a Sikh.

Though I respect their religion as much as I respect anyone's, there were many

ideas I just did not agree with and could not correspond with my own

'communions' with God. But I always assumed that the Guru's enlightenment's were

at least as real as my own, and for myself, the word " God " does not signify

" male " . It is just a word I use to try and speak about what can't be explained.

> As to the Guru's " personal " ideas of male and female, I have no idea, and have

never been curious. But I wholeheartedly support you in trusting that Your

" journey is supported even in the lens of misogyny, and trust that the spirit of

the practice is not lost in translation. " I have always found this to be the

case. If all this practice does not lead to " self trust " then what good is it?

Feel confident in making up your own mantras and words, and anything else you

need to do... to form resonance with the experiences you seek. There is no one

'correct' way for any of this.

>

> In all peace Kirantana

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " April " <april_parchoma@> wrote:

> >

> > Sat nam yogis,

> >

> > I have a question, that's not supposed to be cheeky, because it's authentic,

but it may sound cheeky.

> >

> > Is all the mantra scripture designed in accordance with misogynist spiritual

lens of the universe? Is the mantra literature written with a male-centric view

of the Universe - I.E. that infinity is male, or is it the careful translation

to English?

> >

> > I love the mantras, I love how they work, I love the blissful balance I feel

after practicing Kundalini meditation, but I also feel placed in a ridiculous

situation when I read some of the translations because in my own, personally

personal personable heart infinity has no gender, and I find it is often

creation stories that provide gender through a cultural lens, or a Christo-Judao

lens is the background of the translator. In my worldview there is no

omnipresent capital L lord, and it's difficult, unsettling, and in fact

unrealistic for me to interpret the mantras in this way.

> >

> > I recognize that gender issues are surface in relation to the effectiveness

of the mantras, and acknowledge that my emotions are my own responsibility;

however, I'm still curious about the attachment the translations have to gender

- is it from the source material or the lack of gender neutral words in English?

> >

> > For example, I feel like I'm reading part of The Bible rather than reading a

translation of eastern meditations in the soul-mate mantra: " The time of

rejoicing has come; I sing of my Lord God. I have heard of my Imperishable

Husband Lord, and happiness fills my mind. My mind is in love with Him; when

shall I realize my great good fortune,

> > and meet with my Perfect Husband?

> >

> > I apologize for the offensive ripple that may wave through those of you with

a Christian/Jewish background, and if you're offended by me lumping ya'll

together, and further to those who may have translated this piece with hearts

filled with bliss and love and connection to the spiritual support available to

anyone who wishes to venture in this direction. I pose this question as a

selfish attempt to authentically connect with the language of the mantras, and

to intellectually develop my own language to support my practice - outside of

the misogynist spiritual view of life and the universe.

> >

> > If in fact the translations hold true, and this is the language which

supports my spirit and cleanses my subconscious, then all I can do is express is

my gratitude for the ancestors who practiced this holy exercise in the spirit of

bliss and elevation, and trust that my journey is supported even in the lens of

misogyny, and trust that the spirit of the practice is not lost in translation.

> >

> > Thank you for your patience in reviewing this post,

> >

> > With much love and respect, April/Amarbir Kaur

> >

> > Kundalini-Yoga , " Yoga Jap " <noi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sat Nam!

> > >

> > > Search for " Marriage

> > > Mantras "

-http://www.kundaliniyogainfocntr.com/page/Kundalini+Yoga+Mantras+L+-+P

> > >

> > > Blessings,

> > >

> > > Sujan S.

> > >

> > > ---- Original Message ----

> > > " Paula Lucidi " <plucidi@>

> > > <Kundalini-Yoga >

> > > Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:25 AM

> > > finding a relationship

> > >

> > > > Hello all,

> > > >

> > > > I am wondering if there is any info on finding a romantic

> > > > relationship, as well as finding good friends/best friend.

> > > >

> > > > I know of some Sanskrit mantras for finding a husband and for

> > > > friendship. I am wondering if there are any kriyas or mantras in KY.

> > > > As well, if one is having difficulty in finding a husband/wife, is

> > > > this just a karmic situation or is this maybe influenced by their

> > > > chakras?

> > >

> >

>

December 26, 2009

Sat Nam, AngelaI am so excited to see so many people being turned on to Naad Yoga!! here is a link to my myspace site, where you can find some of my original music for mantras: http://www.myspace.com/hariramin Oneness,Hari Ram SinghKundalini-Yoga , Angela Bond <angelajbond wrote:>> Greetings,> > I just wanted to introduce myself to the group and respond to David's reply.Â I only joined a couple days ago.Â I'm excited about the wealth of knowledge I hope to gain from this group, mostly, becauseÂ I am a vocalist and have recently been moved by Spirit to start learning and singing mantras specifically for self and hopefully to inspire healing in others...Â > > So thanks David for sharing..."not searching outside of self", is always a hard pill to swallow, but so true...> > Be encouraged...> Angela> > > ________________________________> davidswalec davidswalec Kundalini-Yoga > Tue, December 15, 2009 10:27:34 AM> Re: finding a relationship> > Â > In response to your question I will offer this as I hope it answers your question. I think people are looking for things too specific when they look for mantras and kriyas. Perhaps there is one recommended for very specific conditions, however my belief is that if yogis focused more on their own happiness they would find a lot of their answers in keeping their own ten bodies in balance and other things would take care of themselves.> > My suggestion is to find a Kriya that is for yourself, such as on the DVD Add Grace and Prosperity with Kundalini Yoga with Nirvair Singh Khalsa. It has the Ganapati (pronounced gun a putty) kriya and exercises that not only are great but many are also used for ridding depression. Seem coincidence to me that peace and prosperity go hand in hand like lovers.> > The point I am hoping to make is if you work on yourself the rest come naturally as when people stop looking for a mate the tell stories how they suddenly bumped into them and were married for the past 15 years. We keep looking outside ourselves and forget to honor the wisdom within. I am only suggesting you consider if you have done this (perhaps you have) before you search too far from what would really complete you. Perhaps searching for your own mantra and using it will bring everything else.> > Sat Nam> David>

December 26, 2009

Sat Nam. I know some Gurmukhi and am familiar with the psycho-spiritual

construct of Siri Guru Granth Sahib - am also a student and teacher of women's

issues as I have give a number of courses on Yogi Bhajan's teachings for women

here in Canada. So that is where I am coming from.

1) Let me answer the first question first. Finding a life partner is a primal

pursuit in life and everything figures into it. So, yes, your chakras, but also

your expectations of what a husband should be, your concept of yourself as a

woman, your habits of socializing, your ability to communicate both verbally and

non-verbally, your geographic location, the local culture - all have their place

in the mix.

Longing for a beloved - whether that beloved is known or unknown to you - is one

of the most powerful and ennobling instincts a human being can feel. That is

why is figures a lot in the Shabad Guru. It is also the wellspring of so much

art and so much beauty. Suffering too. It is bittersweet to be without one's

beloved; bitter to be alone, but sweet to ultimately trust in uniting or

reuniting with her or him.

As for mantras, the Adi Shakti mantra can give you the strength and conviction

of your power as a woman. The Grace of God mantra can mellow you and put you in

the flow of divine grace. Then there is a Song from the Shabad Guru. It starts

" Mangal saaj bha-i-aa... " If you need help with any of these let me know.

2) As for misogyny in Gurbani, I would say misogyny, meaning the " hatred of

women " is not an appropriate word. Gurbani, as divine poetry, does take a

vantage point, sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes neither to convey

the story, the feeling, the message it conveys. You must remember Guru Nanak

wrote " Bhand jammee-ai... " particularly to elevate the status of women. The

first person who happened to believe in him, we call her " the first Sikh " , was

his sister, Nanaki.

If you study Indian philosophy, you will find some systems that depict the

infinite as male and others depict it as female. What difference does it really

make so long as we treat each other with respect?

Where Gurbani and Yogiji's teachings step out and become " difficult " is where

they assume that women are not weak but powerful, and that every man is

ultimately ruled by one disposition, to please the woman in his life. Gurbani

says also that a yogi is androgenous. So my best suggestion to anyone who has

difficulty with the sexual orientation of certain Gurbani is: 1) try to

recognize there is no misogyny there. None. It is simply a poetic and

philosophical construct. 2) Leave your own sexual predispositions and

prejudices (machisma or feminist) and try to appreciate it for what it is. I

think you will find a lot of love and inspiration and beauty there.

Blessings abounding...

Guru Fatha Singh

December 27, 2009

Sat Nam, Ji

I think you will have to attest that this so-called ' " longing for the beloved "

can take many twists and turns in one's life! Indeed, we have all come into this

earthly plane with many soulmates (perhaps one " twin flame " - the jury is still

out for me); hence the need for any evolving soul to periodically re-examine and

redefine the word " beloved " .

Yes, most possibly it is the God or Goddess or Guru - that which we see most

clearly in the eyes of our intimates. For me, this is part of the magic and

splendour of White Tantric: that I can sit face-to-face with a perfect stanger

and, by the end of the day, feel as if we have known each other for lifetimes!!!

Indeed, what I like best about Solstice gatherings is the opportunity to

experience White Tantric Yoga with three different partners - and one of these

days I will seek to share this sacred experience with another man.

WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU

WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU WAHE GURU

Hari Ram SIngh

Kundalini-Yoga , " gurufathasingh " <gurufathasingh

wrote:

>

> Sat Nam. I know some Gurmukhi and am familiar with the psycho-spiritual

construct of Siri Guru Granth Sahib - am also a student and teacher of women's

issues as I have give a number of courses on Yogi Bhajan's teachings for women

here in Canada. So that is where I am coming from.

>

> 1) Let me answer the first question first. Finding a life partner is a primal

pursuit in life and everything figures into it. So, yes, your chakras, but also

your expectations of what a husband should be, your concept of yourself as a

woman, your habits of socializing, your ability to communicate both verbally and

non-verbally, your geographic location, the local culture - all have their place

in the mix.

>

> Longing for a beloved - whether that beloved is known or unknown to you - is

one of the most powerful and ennobling instincts a human being can feel. That

is why is figures a lot in the Shabad Guru. It is also the wellspring of so

much art and so much beauty. Suffering too. It is bittersweet to be without

one's beloved; bitter to be alone, but sweet to ultimately trust in uniting or

reuniting with her or him.

>

> As for mantras, the Adi Shakti mantra can give you the strength and conviction

of your power as a woman. The Grace of God mantra can mellow you and put you in

the flow of divine grace. Then there is a Song from the Shabad Guru. It starts

" Mangal saaj bha-i-aa... " If you need help with any of these let me know.

>

> 2) As for misogyny in Gurbani, I would say misogyny, meaning the " hatred of

women " is not an appropriate word. Gurbani, as divine poetry, does take a

vantage point, sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes neither to convey

the story, the feeling, the message it conveys. You must remember Guru Nanak

wrote " Bhand jammee-ai... " particularly to elevate the status of women. The

first person who happened to believe in him, we call her " the first Sikh " , was

his sister, Nanaki.

>

> If you study Indian philosophy, you will find some systems that depict the

infinite as male and others depict it as female. What difference does it really

make so long as we treat each other with respect?

>

> Where Gurbani and Yogiji's teachings step out and become " difficult " is where