Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I am willing to purchase used CD's or even burned copies (that's ok if I buy them right?) of Matamundhir Singh and Snatum Kaur (Feeling Good Today) My daughter REALLY NEEDS IT! We checked it out at the library, but really need our own. If you have an extra copy please let me know. I'd like to purchase other used cds by 3ho musicians to sell online- a new business venture? Any feedback? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Sat Nam everyone,As a musician I have to say that no, it is not all right to burn CDs and sell them - or buy a burned CD from someone else. There are many fine 3HO musicians who are working hard to provide music for the family and the planet. This takes a lot of time and money, not to mention hard work and talent. None of these artists is making lots of money on recording and producing CDs. So please support our musicians by buying the CDs from a legitimate source so they can get royalties, or from the artist directly if possible. And please do not burn copies to give to your friends. If they like the music, they can buy it too. Thank you! Sahib-Amar Kaur I am willing to purchase used CD's or even burned copies (that's ok if I buy them right?) of Matamundhir Singh and Snatum Kaur (Feeling Good Today) My daughter REALLY NEEDS IT! We checked it out at the library, but really need our own. If you have an extra copy please let me know. I'd like to purchase other used cds by 3ho musicians to sell online- a new business venture? Any feedback? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist. SatpalKaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur - While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing " what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work. You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true statement. Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do not have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA. It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how to distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have to acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial reward. Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have found, by divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's very similar to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software piracy " conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting around 1983, as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased rights to a " freeware " version of the CP/M operating system: " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the " Quick and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal. Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret from Seattle Computer Products. " see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand in a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50 billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest? It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download " for free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based, and still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled and deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log On to this . Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for sale " is the only game in town. Many of us prefer Seva to sales. Respectfully, Krishna Singh Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef wrote: > > > > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist. > > SatpalKaur > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to them. Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr. Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD. 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my favorites there. thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis. Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna wrote: > > Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur - > While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing " what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work. > > You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true statement. > > Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do not have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA. > > It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how to distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have to acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial reward. Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have found, by divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's very similar to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software piracy " conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting around 1983, as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased rights to a " freeware " version of the CP/M operating system: > > " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the " Quick and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal. Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret from Seattle Computer Products. " > see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm > > So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand in a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50 billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest? > > It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download " for free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based, and still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled and deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log On to this . > > Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for sale " is the only game in town. > > Many of us prefer Seva to sales. > > Respectfully, > Krishna Singh > > Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist. > > > > SatpalKaur > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Sat Nam: Side Note, What's nice is that now at Spirit Voyage you can purchase and download individual MP3 tracks for meditations, mantras or just for listening as you prefer, instead of purchasing the whole album - for as little as $.99 to $3.99 per track. This is helpful when you are on a budget and just need one track for a class, or are not a fan of the entire album. FS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear J Renee, Sat Nam - You can purchase Snatam Kaur's music and probably most of the music you want for 99 cents a track at Spirit Voyage dot com. For a few cents a week you can build a beautiful library of meditation and healing music. It might take a little more time, but this is musical experience that never grows old or out of date. I've been doing this for years. I emailed Spirit Voyage a few months ago, suggesting that they make gift purchases possible, so I could send a healing client a particularly meaningful track, on a particular day, as a " gift card " for only 99 cents. I never received a response to this suggestion. They could also have personal " wish lists " for gifting of music from friends. There are many ways around the limitations of not having enough money. Blessings, Krishna Singh Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote: > > > So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to them. > > Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr. Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com > > 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD. > > 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my favorites there. > > thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Sat Nam, In response to the couple of posts I saw today about music being sold, given/shared, or stolen, there's some obvious logic involved in determining what to call our choices. Both legally and morally, the choice whether to sell or give copies/downloads as a seva rests with the artist whose property the CD is. If we decide ourselves that an artist will be " giving/sharing " their music with us, without actually asking their permission, we are not only depriving them of a sale - but of the opportunity to give. So, let's have the honesty to call a spade a spade and own our choices. Harbhajan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Yes, there are many points of view and seva is a very important part of life. However, it’s another matter altogether when one’s liveliehood depends on CD sales and royalties. My wife (Sahib-Amar Kaur) and I have been doing musical seva for most of our lives – we’ve also been fortunate to sometimes be paid for our musical services. However, we don’t depend on music to support ourselves like artists such as Snatam Kaur, Deva Premal, Sat Kartar Kaur, et al. These people are not getting rich doing what they do and deserve all the support they can get. That includes paying for their CD’s so they can continue to make more of them and continue to uplift people by sharing their music through their tours. So yes, seva is important but it should be voluntary. If you feel that burning a few CD’s for your friends is okay, then out of respect for the artist, contact them and see how they feel about it. Burning CD’s and selling them is called pirating and it’s illegal. Amar Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Is it OK then to borrow a copy of a yoga manual and take it to Kinko's and copy the entire manual (not just one yoga set) and use it to teach yoga classes? Or make multiple copies and sell them to your yoga students? That would, in my mind, be the equivalent of burning CDs and selling them. Duplicating copyrighted material that is for sale is slightly different than the question of intellectual property and plagiarism, as with the software example. I was not objecting to reselling used CDs - but to burning (copying) CDs and reselling them without license or permission to do so. Sat Nam, Sahib-Amar Kaur Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote: > > > So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to them. > > Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr. Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com > > 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD. > > 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my favorites there. > > thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 <<If we decide ourselves that an artist will be " giving/sharing " their music with us, without actually asking their permission, we are not only depriving them of a sale, but of the opportunity to give.>> Absolutely! The karmic implications of " stealing " are huge, and many do not recognize that illegal downloading is a form of theft. If you steal, you can expect to be stolen from, and that prosperity you desire will only be more illusive, for reasons you choose not to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 The " The Yoga of Sound " CD's brought me to Kundalini Yoga practice. at The Culver City YMCA I was introduced to Kundalini Yoga in 2002 and when I asked about the music, I was told to check out Yoga West. I did, and made a bunch of purchases practiced some SEVA ( distributing YOGI TIMES magazine--i think) and got a 6 class card. Then I took a teacher training with Gurutej! I miss her and all the great music we practiced with. I really believe it's a shame that sharing music is now a crime. I am also an artist and although I can be possesive about my work, once someone purchases a painting, it is out of my hands. They can photograph it, give it to their kids--get prints made whatever. I never ask them about it after that. I also know that if I couldn't have made mix tapes with the Police, Prince and Crosby Still and Nash songs, I might not be here. I'm not trying to bilk musicians and I think that the majority of people who copy music just want to hear good music. I am again thankful for Sikhnet for offering some free songs, and to some secular bands for sharing songs and allowing fans to record their concerts. Based on this long discussion on music I feel like my spiritual name (Surinder Kaur)is calling me to produce music of my own. Although I feel that the songs I need work best with performers who understand gurbani and ragas, I can't go on without it. Yes, I will finally purchase what I need when I can afford it, but still, it will be a good exercise for my spiritual growth. You will know when I release the CD, because I will offer it on a common copyright license. I don't know Gurbani, but there is a local Gudwara here in Indiana. Look for before 2011! Love and thanks. Surinder Kaur Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote: > > > So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to them. > > Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr. Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com > > 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD. > > 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my favorites there. > > thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis. > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna@> wrote: > > > > Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur - > > While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing " what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work. > > > > You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true statement. > > > > Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do not have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA. > > > > It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how to distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have to acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial reward. Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have found, by divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's very similar to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software piracy " conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting around 1983, as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased rights to a " freeware " version of the CP/M operating system: > > > > " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the " Quick and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal. Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret from Seattle Computer Products. " > > see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm > > > > So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand in a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50 billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest? > > > > It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download " for free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based, and still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled and deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log On to this . > > > > Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for sale " is the only game in town. > > > > Many of us prefer Seva to sales. > > > > Respectfully, > > Krishna Singh > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist. > > > > > > SatpalKaur > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Satnam, This thread has been interesting to us at Spirit Voyage. I would like to thank you all from this forum for the kind support of Spirit Voyage and the artists we work with. I was reflecting with Hans Christian, the producer of Gurunam's next album, how the music business has collapsed. He was commenting on how lucky we are, and this community is, to be able to publish music at a high level of quality. If you look at every other yoga community, there is little that compares to 3ho's level of musicianship, production and professionalism. The music that we have in the 3ho community and in kundalini yoga, is one of our strongest contributions to the world. This is largely because people pay for it and an industry could be built to support it. Hargobind www.spiritvoyage.com Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote: > > The " The Yoga of Sound " CD's brought me to Kundalini Yoga practice. at The Culver City YMCA I was introduced to Kundalini Yoga in 2002 and when I asked about the music, I was told to check out Yoga West. I did, and made a bunch of purchases practiced some SEVA ( distributing YOGI TIMES magazine--i think) and got a 6 class card. Then I took a teacher training with Gurutej! I miss her and all the great music we practiced with. > > I really believe it's a shame that sharing music is now a crime. I am also an artist and although I can be possesive about my work, once someone purchases a painting, it is out of my hands. They can photograph it, give it to their kids--get prints made whatever. I never ask them about it after that. I also know that if I couldn't have made mix tapes with the Police, Prince and Crosby Still and Nash songs, I might not be here. > > I'm not trying to bilk musicians and I think that the majority of people who copy music just want to hear good music. I am again thankful for Sikhnet for offering some free songs, and to some secular bands for sharing songs and allowing fans to record their concerts. > > Based on this long discussion on music I feel like my spiritual name (Surinder Kaur)is calling me to produce music of my own. Although I feel that the songs I need work best with performers who understand gurbani and ragas, I can't go on without it. Yes, I will finally purchase what I need when I can afford it, but still, it will be a good exercise for my spiritual growth. > > You will know when I release the CD, because I will offer it on a common copyright license. I don't know Gurbani, but there is a local Gudwara here in Indiana. Look for before 2011! > > Love and thanks. > Surinder Kaur > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks@> wrote: > > > > > > So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to them. > > > > Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr. Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com > > > > 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD. > > > > 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my favorites there. > > > > thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis. > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna@> wrote: > > > > > > Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur - > > > While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing " what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work. > > > > > > You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true statement. > > > > > > Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do not have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA. > > > > > > It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how to distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have to acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial reward. Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have found, by divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's very similar to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software piracy " conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting around 1983, as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased rights to a " freeware " version of the CP/M operating system: > > > > > > " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the " Quick and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal. Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret from Seattle Computer Products. " > > > see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm > > > > > > So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand in a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50 billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest? > > > > > > It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download " for free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based, and still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled and deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log On to this . > > > > > > Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for sale " is the only game in town. > > > > > > Many of us prefer Seva to sales. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Krishna Singh > > > > > > Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist. > > > > > > > > SatpalKaur > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Sat Nam, To add a bit to this thread, the spiritual music market is a $250 billion a year market, as I understand it. It is what is termed as Alternative or Non Traditional Point of Sale market (I believe there's a more accurate industry term for this), which basically means you generally cannot get at the main (discount) outlets of music. Part of its charm and draw is actually that you have to go to find it at alternate sources. Which in turn makes it also one of the higher price point musical purchases, because 1) you will not find it discounted at $10.99 at Virgin records, and 2) people buy it for spiritual development and because the purchase is seen as self-growth and helping themselves, people are willing to pay more for the CDs. It's still one of the more sustainable and growing markets, with some aspects of " industry collapse proofing " to it due to the dedication and perhaps also, integrity of its members - which may in some part be due to an intrinsic anti-pirating consciousness. Fateh Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Sat Nam Fateh Singh, I agree with your comments but have a hard time with the @250 billion figure. I tried to google the gross income of the whole recording industry but could not find it. I doubt if the whole industry gross income is anywhere near that figure. I think I read that the health food industry is somewhere around $40 billion. Are you sure you saw a " b " in $250 billion instead of an " m " . I could believe that figure. However, $250 million is a lot of money and does not take away from your argument. Blessings GuruBandhu $ Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote: > > Sat Nam, > > To add a bit to this thread, the spiritual music market is a $250 billion a year market, as I understand it. It is what is termed as Alternative or Non Traditional Point of Sale market (I believe there's a more accurate industry term for this), which basically means you generally cannot get at the main (discount) outlets of music. > > Part of its charm and draw is actually that you have to go to find it at alternate sources. Which in turn makes it also one of the higher price point musical purchases, because 1) you will not find it discounted at $10.99 at Virgin records, and 2) people buy it for spiritual development and because the purchase is seen as self-growth and helping themselves, people are willing to pay more for the CDs. > > It's still one of the more sustainable and growing markets, with some aspects of " industry collapse proofing " to it due to the dedication and perhaps also, integrity of its members - which may in some part be due to an intrinsic anti-pirating consciousness. > > Fateh Singh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hello all,I think the fact that people fear having people steal from them, really represents their own inner state of poverty. If you are tapped into the creative energy of the universe and can be consistently creative, no one can steal that from you. Does it matter if someone 'steals' your music? what if you are an artist they like? maybe this can turn into a sale in the future. as an artist, you're not responsible for the actions of others. let the universe sort that out and focus on producing your work and getting your ideas/work out there. there are just certain things in this world that you can't steal from someone and that is their self dignity and pride. Paula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Sat Nam. Thanks for that question. I may have been mistaken. I believe I was referring to yearly spending within the entire alternative health industry, with the music portion being just a part of that. I could not verify with my source at this time (I believe it was a Gaiam-based study), so please strike that. FS Kundalini-Yoga , " greatyoga " <greatyoga wrote: > > Sat Nam Fateh Singh, > > I agree with your comments but have a hard time with the @250 billion figure. I tried to google the gross income of the whole recording industry but could not find it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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