Guest guest Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Modern Yoga therapy seems to have lost touch with the real essence of Yoga. Yoga aims to help us regain our psycho-physiological balance by removing the root cause of the disharmony (dukka samoiga viyogam-BG). Dwaitam or duality is the main initial cause of the imbalance that may then manifest through the psycho-somatic stress mechanism through the various Koshas (aspects of existence) as various disorders depending upon the propensity of the individual. Tituvalluvar the great Tamil mystic says in his Thirukkural, “Look for the disease, look for the primary cause of it and then treat it”. Similarly sage Vashistha tells Lord Rama in the Yoga Vaashistha that the essential disease (sara adhija vyadhi) is that of being caught in the vicious birth-rebirth spiral. He also says that this essential disease can be remedied only by Atma Jnana or the inner awareness of the higher Self. Unless we aim to correct the manifest psycho-somatic disassociation as well as the underlying ignorant jaundiced perception of reality in the individual, we are not practicing Yoga Chikitsa (Yoga therapy). Managing and suppressing the manifest symptoms with Yoga techniques is just as good or bad as modern Allopathy that focuses on symptomatic management without ever getting close to the real cause of most disorders. How many doctors look at the emotional and psychological issues that are the primary cause of the problem in so many of their patients? When Yoga therapists make the same mistake of merely treating the manifesting symptoms without remedying the cause, I prefer to call it YOGOPATHY. An example of this Yogopathy is when they use Shavasana to manage patients of hypertension quoting research that has shown that Shavasana reduces blood pressure. Real Yoga Chikitsa would try to look for the primary cause of the patient’s hypertension and try to tackle that along with Shavasana for symptomatic management. Without an attempt to do so, it is merely Yogopathy. Another common example is of using the left nostril Chandra Nadi Pranayama to lower the blood sugar or using the right nostril Surya Nadi Pranayama to relieve brochospasm without looking for the real cause of the patient’s diabetes or asthma. I recently encountered a Yoga Therapist who said that he advised his patients to do their prescribed Pranayama while watching television to help them save their precious time! When queried on the fact that “Prana flows where the mind goes”, he retorted that he was talking of therapeutic Pranayama whereas I was talking of spiritual Pranayama!!!! THE RISHIS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR SAMADHIS! -- Yogacharya Dr Ananda Balayogi BhavananiChairmanICYER and Yoganjali Natyalayam25, 2nd Cross, Iyyanar NagarPondicherry, South Indiawww.icyer.com www.geocities.com/yognat2001--------------------------DISCLAIMER : Information transmitted in this e-mail is proprietary to Ananda Ashram at ICYER, Pondicherry, South India. It is intended only for the addressee and may contain private, confidential and/or privileged material. Review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by any person other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Please be aware that this email may have been a group mailing (bcc) and if you received this through error we apologize. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us at yognat and delete the material from any stored format/computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Sir, Namaste,   An excellent article- the need of the hour. How many consider the patients as humanbeings? Aren't they merely patient number so- & -so? How many Doctors are empathetic like You ? What You have said is very true about them not being treated in the emotional and psychological levels. Guess half of them need no medicine other than a good counselling session.. Yogopathy- What a nice terminology. Hope people get into the depths and understand this. Thank You for such an eye-opener. meena --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani <yognat wrote: Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani <yognat YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 7:35 PM YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Modern Yoga therapy seems to have lost touch with the real essence of Yoga. Yoga aims to help us regain our psycho-physiologica l balance by removing the root cause of the disharmony (dukka samoiga viyogam-BG). Dwaitam or duality is the main initial cause of the imbalance that may then manifest through the psycho-somatic stress mechanism through the various Koshas (aspects of existence) as various disorders depending upon the propensity of the individual. Tituvalluvar the great Tamil mystic says in his Thirukkural, “Look for the disease, look for the primary cause of it and then treat itâ€. Similarly sage Vashistha tells Lord Rama in the Yoga Vaashistha that the essential disease (sara adhija vyadhi) is that of being caught in the vicious birth-rebirth spiral. He also says that this essential disease can be remedied only by Atma Jnana or the inner awareness of the higher Self. Unless we aim to correct the manifest psycho-somatic disassociation as well as the underlying ignorant jaundiced perception of reality in the individual, we are not practicing Yoga Chikitsa (Yoga therapy). Managing and suppressing the manifest symptoms with Yoga techniques is just as good or bad as modern Allopathy that focuses on symptomatic management without ever getting close to the real cause of most disorders. How many doctors look at the emotional and psychological issues that are the primary cause of the problem in so many of their patients? When Yoga therapists make the same mistake of merely treating the manifesting symptoms without remedying the cause, I prefer to call it YOGOPATHY. An example of this Yogopathy is when they use Shavasana to manage patients of hypertension quoting research that has shown that Shavasana reduces blood pressure. Real Yoga Chikitsa would try to look for the primary cause of the patient’s hypertension and try to tackle that along with Shavasana for symptomatic management. Without an attempt to do so, it is merely Yogopathy. Another common example is of using the left nostril Chandra Nadi Pranayama to lower the blood sugar or using the right nostril Surya Nadi Pranayama to relieve brochospasm without looking for the real cause of the patient’s diabetes or asthma. I recently encountered a Yoga Therapist who said that he advised his patients to do their prescribed Pranayama while watching television to help them save their precious time! When queried on the fact that “Prana flows where the mind goesâ€, he retorted that he was talking of therapeutic Pranayama whereas I was talking of spiritual Pranayama!!! ! THE RISHIS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR SAMADHIS! -- Yogacharya Dr Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani Chairman ICYER and Yoganjali Natyalayam 25, 2nd Cross, Iyyanar Nagar Pondicherry, South India www.icyer.com www.geocities. com/yognat2001 ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- DISCLAIMER : Information transmitted in this e-mail is proprietary to Ananda Ashram at ICYER, Pondicherry, South India. It is intended only for the addressee and may contain private, confidential and/or privileged material. Review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by any person other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Please be aware that this email may have been a group mailing (bcc) and if you received this through error we apologize. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us at yognat (AT) gmail (DOT) com and delete the material from any stored format/computer. Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos./groups/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Hello all, Taking an ancient art/science out of its cultural context and bringing it to a wider audience will always have repercussions. Some of them positive and some less positive. In the instance of Yoga in the west, it has become primarily a physical exercise as opposed to an exercise for the mind-body spirit. For instance, the practice of Bikram Yoga (hatha yoga done in 37-40 degree Celsius heat) has a massive following here in Australia and gains popularity constantly. In fact, more and more centres are being opened and class sizes increasingly full. It is a rare Bikram teacher who speaks of the importance of breathing or the true physical/mental/emotional benefits of an asana. Instead simply the physical perfection is discussed. Therefore Bikram has become an excellent physical challenge of endurance and flexibility but does not fulfill the holistic aspects of yoga on the whole efficiently. Despite this being the case though, I still believe that it is wonderful that the west has any awareness of Yoga at all. For those who really do enjoy their yoga classes - be it Bikram, Shadow or any of the western forms over here - they have an opportunity to seek further information and learn the true essence of the Yogic life. In the meantime, it's awesome that people like Yogananda, Dr Ananda and Sri Bala share the beauty of yoga without selling it short to fit the palates of the west. Love, respect and peace to all Nilanthi (Melbourne) , " Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani " <yognat wrote: > > YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? > > Modern Yoga therapy seems to have lost touch with the real essence of Yoga. > Yoga aims to help us regain our psycho-physiological balance by removing the > root cause of the disharmony (*dukka samoiga viyogam*-BG). > > Dwaitam or duality is the main initial cause of the imbalance that may then > manifest through the psycho-somatic stress mechanism through the various > Koshas (aspects of existence) as various disorders depending upon the > propensity of the individual. > > Tituvalluvar the great Tamil mystic says in his Thirukkural, " Look for the > disease, look for the primary cause of it and then treat it " . Similarly sage > Vashistha tells Lord Rama in the Yoga Vaashistha that the essential disease > (*sara adhija vyadhi*) is that of being caught in the vicious birth-rebirth > spiral. He also says that this essential disease can be remedied only by > Atma Jnana or the inner awareness of the higher Self. > > Unless we aim to correct the manifest psycho-somatic disassociation as well > as the underlying ignorant jaundiced perception of reality in the > individual, we are not practicing Yoga Chikitsa (Yoga therapy). > > Managing and suppressing the manifest symptoms with Yoga techniques is just > as good or bad as modern Allopathy that focuses on symptomatic management > without ever getting close to the real cause of most disorders. How many > doctors look at the emotional and psychological issues that are the primary > cause of the problem in so many of their patients? > > When Yoga therapists make the same mistake of merely treating the > manifesting symptoms without remedying the cause, I prefer to call it > YOGOPATHY. > > An example of this Yogopathy is when they use Shavasana to manage patients > of hypertension quoting research that has shown that Shavasana reduces blood > pressure. Real Yoga Chikitsa would try to look for the primary cause of the > patient's hypertension and try to tackle that *along* with Shavasana for > symptomatic management. Without an attempt to do so, it is merely Yogopathy. > > Another common example is of using the left nostril Chandra Nadi Pranayama > to lower the blood sugar or using the right nostril Surya Nadi Pranayama to > relieve brochospasm without looking for the real cause of the patient's > diabetes or asthma. > > I recently encountered a Yoga Therapist who said that he advised his > patients to do their prescribed Pranayama while watching television to help > them save their precious time! When queried on the fact that " Prana flows > where the mind goes " , he retorted that he was talking of therapeutic > Pranayama whereas I was talking of spiritual Pranayama!!!! > > THE RISHIS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR SAMADHIS! > > > -- > Yogacharya > Dr Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani > Chairman > ICYER and Yoganjali Natyalayam > 25, 2nd Cross, Iyyanar Nagar > Pondicherry, South India > www.icyer.com > www.geocities.com/yognat2001 > > -------------------------- > DISCLAIMER : Information transmitted in this e-mail is proprietary to Ananda > Ashram at ICYER, Pondicherry, South India. It is intended only for the > addressee and may contain private, confidential and/or privileged material. > Review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by > any person other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Please > be aware that this email may have been a group mailing (bcc) and if you > received this through error we apologize. If you have received this > communication in error, please contact us at yognat and delete the > material from any stored format/computer. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 In the Christian bible there is a quote- many are called and few are chosen. Swami Rama once said that many are called, few are chosen but one or two get it. Al Gore (ex vice president of USA) used an appropriate phrase- 'an inconvenient truth'. Swami Gitananda warned of personality yoga as it ushers in egos and their misunderstandings into the works of the rishis. Sorry folks when I read the book 'light on yoga' back in 1972 at time it was brought to my attention the use of yoga for its curative effects. The author of that book has become an icon of yoga; in our modern age franchise yoga a-la Bikram is the new icon. When yoga becomes such a business and every other advertisement is using yoga props to sell their products, when the insurance companies are compensating for yoga and when yoga hits the stock markets - the question becomes - what is yoga? And you are quite right that there are some people because of being in yoga and wanting more are seeking out more, they are of course in the minority. And while there is a no competition clause in yoga in general there are many competitions here in the USA. What is rather funny and perhaps 'an inconvenient truth', is that many here advertise 'Body-Mind-Spirit' and by that they mean feel good and euphoric. And that is the extent of it, there are no other parts that are remotely related to eupsychia and eulogia never comes. Hence spiritual means an adrenaline rush. I had not heard the term yogapathy but I like it and hope it not copyrighted, I am going to use it. I will say that it was developed by my own team - whose names are Swami Tom, Swami Dick and Swami Harry no blasphemy intended. Perhaps our ancient Rishis will get a kick out of this one.Shunyavastha "nilanthi_83" <nilanthi_83Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Hello all, Taking an ancient art/science out of its cultural context and bringing it to a wider audience will always have repercussions. Some of them positive and some less positive.In the instance of Yoga in the west, it has become primarily a physical exercise as opposed to an exercise for the mind-body spirit. For instance, the practice of Bikram Yoga (hatha yoga done in 37-40 degree Celsius heat) has a massive following here in Australia and gains popularity constantly. In fact, more and more centres are being opened and class sizes increasingly full.It is a rare Bikram teacher who speaks of the importance of breathing or the true physical/mental/emotional benefits of an asana. Instead simply the physical perfection is discussed. Therefore Bikram has become an excellent physical challenge of endurance and flexibility but does not fulfill the holistic aspects of yoga on the whole efficiently.Despite this being the case though, I still believe that it is wonderful that the west has any awareness of Yoga at all. For those who really do enjoy their yoga classes - be it Bikram, Shadow or any of the western forms over here - they have an opportunity to seek further information and learn the true essence of the Yogic life.In the meantime, it's awesome that people like Yogananda, Dr Ananda and Sri Bala share the beauty of yoga without selling it short to fit the palates of the west.Love, respect and peace to allNilanthi (Melbourne) , "Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani" <yognat wrote:>> YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY?> > Modern Yoga therapy seems to have lost touch with the real essence of Yoga.> Yoga aims to help us regain our psycho-physiological balance by removing the> root cause of the disharmony (*dukka samoiga viyogam*-BG).> > Dwaitam or duality is the main initial cause of the imbalance that may then> manifest through the psycho-somatic stress mechanism through the various> Koshas (aspects of existence) as various disorders depending upon the> propensity of the individual.> > Tituvalluvar the great Tamil mystic says in his Thirukkural, "Look for the> disease, look for the primary cause of it and then treat it". Similarly sage> Vashistha tells Lord Rama in the Yoga Vaashistha that the essential disease> (*sara adhija vyadhi*) is that of being caught in the vicious birth-rebirth> spiral. He also says that this essential disease can be remedied only by> Atma Jnana or the inner awareness of the higher Self.> > Unless we aim to correct the manifest psycho-somatic disassociation as well> as the underlying ignorant jaundiced perception of reality in the> individual, we are not practicing Yoga Chikitsa (Yoga therapy).> > Managing and suppressing the manifest symptoms with Yoga techniques is just> as good or bad as modern Allopathy that focuses on symptomatic management> without ever getting close to the real cause of most disorders. How many> doctors look at the emotional and psychological issues that are the primary> cause of the problem in so many of their patients?> > When Yoga therapists make the same mistake of merely treating the> manifesting symptoms without remedying the cause, I prefer to call it> YOGOPATHY.> > An example of this Yogopathy is when they use Shavasana to manage patients> of hypertension quoting research that has shown that Shavasana reduces blood> pressure. Real Yoga Chikitsa would try to look for the primary cause of the> patient's hypertension and try to tackle that *along* with Shavasana for> symptomatic management. Without an attempt to do so, it is merely Yogopathy.> > Another common example is of using the left nostril Chandra Nadi Pranayama> to lower the blood sugar or using the right nostril Surya Nadi Pranayama to> relieve brochospasm without looking for the real cause of the patient's> diabetes or asthma.> > I recently encountered a Yoga Therapist who said that he advised his> patients to do their prescribed Pranayama while watching television to help> them save their precious time! When queried on the fact that "Prana flows> where the mind goes", he retorted that he was talking of therapeutic> Pranayama whereas I was talking of spiritual Pranayama!!!!> > THE RISHIS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR SAMADHIS!> > > -- > Yogacharya> Dr Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani> Chairman> ICYER and Yoganjali Natyalayam> 25, 2nd Cross, Iyyanar Nagar> Pondicherry, South India> www.icyer.com> www.geocities.com/yognat2001> > -------------------------> DISCLAIMER : Information transmitted in this e-mail is proprietary to Ananda> Ashram at ICYER, Pondicherry, South India. It is intended only for the> addressee and may contain private, confidential and/or privileged material.> Review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by> any person other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Please> be aware that this email may have been a group mailing (bcc) and if you> received this through error we apologize. If you have received this> communication in error, please contact us at yognat and delete the> material from any stored format/computer.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 namas tei am happy that we keep stimulating discussion once in a while on this net workthe term Yogopathy is one coined by me (rather swamiji putting words in my mouth) in the past year after witnessing the stuff happening all over the world in yoga circles as i travel and learn more and more about the worldswamiji said that many are called but few choose!!! Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani Chairman : Yoganjali Natyalayam and ICYER Hon General Secretary, Pondicherry Yogasana Association 25, 2nd Cross,Iyyanar Nagar, Pondicherry, South India-605 013 Tel: +91-413 - 2622902 / +91-413 -3203314/+91-413 -2241561 Mobile: 9842311433 Website: www.icyer.com www.geocities.com/yognat2001/anandahttp://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=yognat2001 & p=r--- On Tue, 5/26/09, livezero <livezero wrote:livezero <livezerore: Re: YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 4:57 AM In the Christian bible there is a quote- many are called and few are chosen. Swami Rama once said that many are called, few are chosen but one or two get it. Al Gore (ex vice president of USA) used an appropriate phrase- 'an inconvenient truth'. Swami Gitananda warned of personality yoga as it ushers in egos and their misunderstandings into the works of the rishis. Sorry folks when I read the book 'light on yoga' back in 1972 at time it was brought to my attention the use of yoga for its curative effects. The author of that book has become an icon of yoga; in our modern age franchise yoga a-la Bikram is the new icon. When yoga becomes such a business and every other advertisement is using yoga props to sell their products, when the insurance companies are compensating for yoga and when yoga hits the stock markets - the question becomes - what is yoga? And you are quite right that there are some people because of being in yoga and wanting more are seeking out more, they are of course in the minority. And while there is a no competition clause in yoga in general there are many competitions here in the USA. What is rather funny and perhaps 'an inconvenient truth', is that many here advertise 'Body-Mind-Spirit' and by that they mean feel good and euphoric. And that is the extent of it, there are no other parts that are remotely related to eupsychia and eulogia never comes. Hence spiritual means an adrenaline rush. I had not heard the term yogapathy but I like it and hope it not copyrighted, I am going to use it. I will say that it was developed by my own team - whose names are Swami Tom, Swami Dick and Swami Harry no blasphemy intended. Perhaps our ancient Rishis will get a kick out of this one.Shunyavastha "nilanthi_83" <nilanthi_83@ . au>Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:53 PM Re: YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Hello all, Taking an ancient art/science out of its cultural context and bringing it to a wider audience will always have repercussions. Some of them positive and some less positive.In the instance of Yoga in the west, it has become primarily a physical exercise as opposed to an exercise for the mind-body spirit. For instance, the practice of Bikram Yoga (hatha yoga done in 37-40 degree Celsius heat) has a massive following here in Australia and gains popularity constantly. In fact, more and more centres are being opened and class sizes increasingly full.It is a rare Bikram teacher who speaks of the importance of breathing or the true physical/mental/ emotional benefits of an asana. Instead simply the physical perfection is discussed. Therefore Bikram has become an excellent physical challenge of endurance and flexibility but does not fulfill the holistic aspects of yoga on the whole efficiently.Despite this being the case though, I still believe that it is wonderful that the west has any awareness of Yoga at all. For those who really do enjoy their yoga classes - be it Bikram, Shadow or any of the western forms over here - they have an opportunity to seek further information and learn the true essence of the Yogic life.In the meantime, it's awesome that people like Yogananda, Dr Ananda and Sri Bala share the beauty of yoga without selling it short to fit the palates of the west.Love, respect and peace to allNilanthi (Melbourne), "Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani" <yognat wrote:>> YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY?> > Modern Yoga therapy seems to have lost touch with the real essence of Yoga.> Yoga aims to help us regain our psycho-physiologica l balance by removing the> root cause of the disharmony (*dukka samoiga viyogam*-BG) .> > Dwaitam or duality is the main initial cause of the imbalance that may then> manifest through the psycho-somatic stress mechanism through the various> Koshas (aspects of existence) as various disorders depending upon the> propensity of the individual.> > Tituvalluvar the great Tamil mystic says in his Thirukkural, "Look for the> disease, look for the primary cause of it and then treat it". Similarly sage> Vashistha tells Lord Rama in the Yoga Vaashistha that the essential disease> (*sara adhija vyadhi*) is that of being caught in the vicious birth-rebirth> spiral. He also says that this essential disease can be remedied only by> Atma Jnana or the inner awareness of the higher Self.> > Unless we aim to correct the manifest psycho-somatic disassociation as well> as the underlying ignorant jaundiced perception of reality in the> individual, we are not practicing Yoga Chikitsa (Yoga therapy).> > Managing and suppressing the manifest symptoms with Yoga techniques is just> as good or bad as modern Allopathy that focuses on symptomatic management> without ever getting close to the real cause of most disorders. How many> doctors look at the emotional and psychological issues that are the primary> cause of the problem in so many of their patients?> > When Yoga therapists make the same mistake of merely treating the> manifesting symptoms without remedying the cause, I prefer to call it> YOGOPATHY.> > An example of this Yogopathy is when they use Shavasana to manage patients> of hypertension quoting research that has shown that Shavasana reduces blood> pressure. Real Yoga Chikitsa would try to look for the primary cause of the> patient's hypertension and try to tackle that *along* with Shavasana for> symptomatic management. Without an attempt to do so, it is merely Yogopathy.> > Another common example is of using the left nostril Chandra Nadi Pranayama> to lower the blood sugar or using the right nostril Surya Nadi Pranayama to> relieve brochospasm without looking for the real cause of the patient's> diabetes or asthma.> > I recently encountered a Yoga Therapist who said that he advised his> patients to do their prescribed Pranayama while watching television to help> them save their precious time! When queried on the fact that "Prana flows> where the mind goes", he retorted that he was talking of therapeutic> Pranayama whereas I was talking of spiritual Pranayama!!! !> > THE RISHIS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR SAMADHIS!> > > -- > Yogacharya> Dr Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani> Chairman> ICYER and Yoganjali Natyalayam> 25, 2nd Cross, Iyyanar Nagar> Pondicherry, South India> www.icyer.com> www.geocities. com/yognat2001> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> DISCLAIMER : Information transmitted in this e-mail is proprietary to Ananda> Ashram at ICYER, Pondicherry, South India. It is intended only for the> addressee and may contain private, confidential and/or privileged material.> Review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by> any person other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Please> be aware that this email may have been a group mailing (bcc) and if you> received this through error we apologize. If you have received this> communication in error, please contact us at yognat and delete the> material from any stored format/computer.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 The Other Three PercentMullah Nasaradin was once invited to speak on the subject of the Divine Qualities at a prestigious university in New England. While he was lecturing on the subject of the Divine Light, he closed his eyes in deep contemplation looking for the words to express himself.Suddenly, he was overcome by Divine ecstasy. To his students he seemed to have lost him mind for he began ranting and raving as if insane. His students, who had arranged for him to speak, quickly took over the situation and concluded the lecture for him.After everyone had gone, they talked among themselves and decided to bring him to a nearby mental hospital for observation. For several days he was incoherent, lost in the higher spheres of consciousness. His students took turns staying with him worried as they were about his condition.Every hour different medical personnel would come in to check his condition and speculate as to what name should be given to his mental disorder for insurance purposes.Eventually, Mullah Nasrudin regained normal consciousness and sat up in the hospital bed. "Where am I?," he demanded from the nurse who was there to take his blood pressure. The nurse, shocked by his seemingly miraculous recovery said, "You are in the hospital. Don't worry. I'll be right back." She ran out of the room to get the psychologist who quickly returned with the nurse to see the Mullah."How are we today?," the psychologist asked in a cautious tone. "Well, I don't know about you my dear, but I am quite well thank you. What am I doing here?," the Mullah asked. The psychologist recounted the story told to her by the Mullah's students and then about his unusual behavior at the hospital and began explaining to Mullah Nasrudin the various mental disorders that she felt he might possibly be a victim of.The Mullah listened patiently as the doctor recounted in medical jargon her theories as to what had happened to him. When she was finished speaking the Mullah started to get up from the bed saying,"Well that is all very interesting but as you can see I am perfectly fine now and well rested. I would not dream of imposing on you any longer so I must be going. Thank you very much for you hospitality."The nurse pushed Mulla Nasrudin back down on the bed. "Please sir, not so fast, you must rest for now."The psychologist agreed, "Yes the nurse is quite right, you may think that you are all right but really you must be very ill and we could not, in good conscience allow you to leave just now. Please try to relax while we try to figure out what has happened to you."The Mullah laid back down in the bed as the nurse pulled the covers over him. The Mullah looked at the nurse as the doctor left the room and said, "This is very kind of you my dear, I see that you and the doctor are most concerned about me. I am very touched.""That's fine sir, just try to rest." And as she turned to leave she said under her breath, "Touched isn't the word for this one!" and then she left.Completely invigorated by his ecstatic vision, the Mullah sat up in the bed meditating upon his beautiful and profound experience the whole world seemed quite transfigured. Just then several of his students came in to check on him and were overjoyed at his recovery. They sat and talked to him and asked him to give some clue as to what he had experienced."What I have witnessed is beyond words my dear ones, but my question to you is why have you brought me here? I would have been quite fine to be given a small room and left alone as is our custom in the East. You needn't have brought me here to worry these good people. They think that there is something wrong with me." said Mullah Nasrudin.Just then the psychologist came back in and asked everyone to leave. When the students had gone the psychologist began asking the Mullah about his childhood in an effort to figure out his illness.After a time the Mulla asked the doctor, "Why do you think that I am sick? As you can see with your own eyes I am quite healthy!"The Doctor looked penetratingly into the Mullah's eyes and said, "You have had some sort of very traumatic psychological episode and even though you seem well adjusted and healthy at the moment, statistically, there is bound to be something wrong with you.""Statistically," the Mulla questioned, "how do you mean?"The doctor replied, "With co-dependency, addiction, childhood problems, post-traumatic stress syndrome, brain chemical imbalance, social pressures and the like, we believe ninety-seven percent of the population is ill to a greater or lesser degree.""Ninety-seven percent!" the Mullah gasped, "That is a most terrible problem! So, have you personally ever met a healthy person?""Yes I believe I met one once but then," she reflected, "I didn?t know him very well" the doctor replied gravely."Well in that case," the Mulla replied, "think of the great savings to the country and perhaps most of you troubles with overcrowding here in the hospital would be solved if you found those healthy three percent of the people and put them in the hospital and the other ninety-seven percent can come to study and learn from them how to become healthy!"(story taken from http://www.geocities.com/photo_photo3030/nasrudin-stories.html)--- En date de : Mar 26.5.09, Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani <yognat2001 a écrit :De: Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani <yognat2001Objet: re: Re: YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY?À: Date: Mardi 26 Mai 2009, 9h20 namas tei am happy that we keep stimulating discussion once in a while on this net workthe term Yogopathy is one coined by me (rather swamiji putting words in my mouth) in the past year after witnessing the stuff happening all over the world in yoga circles as i travel and learn more and more about the worldswamiji said that many are called but few choose!!! Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani Chairman : Yoganjali Natyalayam and ICYER Hon General Secretary, Pondicherry Yogasana Association 25, 2nd Cross,Iyyanar Nagar, Pondicherry, South India-605 013 Tel: +91-413 - 2622902 / +91-413 -3203314/+91- 413 -2241561 Mobile: 9842311433 Website: www.icyer.com www.geocities. com/yognat2001/ anandahttp://youtube. com/profile_ videos?user= yognat2001 & p=r--- On Tue, 5/26/09, livezero <livezero@mindexplor er.com> wrote:livezero <livezero@mindexplor er.com>re: Re: YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY?Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 4:57 AM In the Christian bible there is a quote- many are called and few are chosen. Swami Rama once said that many are called, few are chosen but one or two get it. Al Gore (ex vice president of USA) used an appropriate phrase- 'an inconvenient truth'. Swami Gitananda warned of personality yoga as it ushers in egos and their misunderstandings into the works of the rishis. Sorry folks when I read the book 'light on yoga' back in 1972 at time it was brought to my attention the use of yoga for its curative effects. The author of that book has become an icon of yoga; in our modern age franchise yoga a-la Bikram is the new icon. When yoga becomes such a business and every other advertisement is using yoga props to sell their products, when the insurance companies are compensating for yoga and when yoga hits the stock markets - the question becomes - what is yoga? And you are quite right that there are some people because of being in yoga and wanting more are seeking out more, they are of course in the minority. And while there is a no competition clause in yoga in general there are many competitions here in the USA. What is rather funny and perhaps 'an inconvenient truth', is that many here advertise 'Body-Mind-Spirit' and by that they mean feel good and euphoric. And that is the extent of it, there are no other parts that are remotely related to eupsychia and eulogia never comes. Hence spiritual means an adrenaline rush. I had not heard the term yogapathy but I like it and hope it not copyrighted, I am going to use it. I will say that it was developed by my own team - whose names are Swami Tom, Swami Dick and Swami Harry no blasphemy intended. Perhaps our ancient Rishis will get a kick out of this one.Shunyavastha "nilanthi_83" <nilanthi_83@ . au>Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:53 PM Re: YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY? Hello all, Taking an ancient art/science out of its cultural context and bringing it to a wider audience will always have repercussions. Some of them positive and some less positive.In the instance of Yoga in the west, it has become primarily a physical exercise as opposed to an exercise for the mind-body spirit. For instance, the practice of Bikram Yoga (hatha yoga done in 37-40 degree Celsius heat) has a massive following here in Australia and gains popularity constantly. In fact, more and more centres are being opened and class sizes increasingly full.It is a rare Bikram teacher who speaks of the importance of breathing or the true physical/mental/ emotional benefits of an asana. Instead simply the physical perfection is discussed. Therefore Bikram has become an excellent physical challenge of endurance and flexibility but does not fulfill the holistic aspects of yoga on the whole efficiently.Despite this being the case though, I still believe that it is wonderful that the west has any awareness of Yoga at all. For those who really do enjoy their yoga classes - be it Bikram, Shadow or any of the western forms over here - they have an opportunity to seek further information and learn the true essence of the Yogic life.In the meantime, it's awesome that people like Yogananda, Dr Ananda and Sri Bala share the beauty of yoga without selling it short to fit the palates of the west.Love, respect and peace to allNilanthi (Melbourne), "Yogacharya Dr.Ananda Bhavanani" <yognat wrote:>> YOGA THERAPY OR YOGOPATHY?> > Modern Yoga therapy seems to have lost touch with the real essence of Yoga.> Yoga aims to help us regain our psycho-physiologica l balance by removing the> root cause of the disharmony (*dukka samoiga viyogam*-BG) .> > Dwaitam or duality is the main initial cause of the imbalance that may then> manifest through the psycho-somatic stress mechanism through the various> Koshas (aspects of existence) as various disorders depending upon the> propensity of the individual.> > Tituvalluvar the great Tamil mystic says in his Thirukkural, "Look for the> disease, look for the primary cause of it and then treat it". Similarly sage> Vashistha tells Lord Rama in the Yoga Vaashistha that the essential disease> (*sara adhija vyadhi*) is that of being caught in the vicious birth-rebirth> spiral. He also says that this essential disease can be remedied only by> Atma Jnana or the inner awareness of the higher Self.> > Unless we aim to correct the manifest psycho-somatic disassociation as well> as the underlying ignorant jaundiced perception of reality in the> individual, we are not practicing Yoga Chikitsa (Yoga therapy).> > Managing and suppressing the manifest symptoms with Yoga techniques is just> as good or bad as modern Allopathy that focuses on symptomatic management> without ever getting close to the real cause of most disorders. How many> doctors look at the emotional and psychological issues that are the primary> cause of the problem in so many of their patients?> > When Yoga therapists make the same mistake of merely treating the> manifesting symptoms without remedying the cause, I prefer to call it> YOGOPATHY.> > An example of this Yogopathy is when they use Shavasana to manage patients> of hypertension quoting research that has shown that Shavasana reduces blood> pressure. Real Yoga Chikitsa would try to look for the primary cause of the> patient's hypertension and try to tackle that *along* with Shavasana for> symptomatic management. Without an attempt to do so, it is merely Yogopathy.> > Another common example is of using the left nostril Chandra Nadi Pranayama> to lower the blood sugar or using the right nostril Surya Nadi Pranayama to> relieve brochospasm without looking for the real cause of the patient's> diabetes or asthma.> > I recently encountered a Yoga Therapist who said that he advised his> patients to do their prescribed Pranayama while watching television to help> them save their precious time! When queried on the fact that "Prana flows> where the mind goes", he retorted that he was talking of therapeutic> Pranayama whereas I was talking of spiritual Pranayama!!! !> > THE RISHIS MUST BE TURNING IN THEIR SAMADHIS!> > > -- > Yogacharya> Dr Ananda Balayogi Bhavanani> Chairman> ICYER and Yoganjali Natyalayam> 25, 2nd Cross, Iyyanar Nagar> Pondicherry, South India> www.icyer.com> www.geocities. com/yognat2001> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> DISCLAIMER : Information transmitted in this e-mail is proprietary to Ananda> Ashram at ICYER, Pondicherry, South India. It is intended only for the> addressee and may contain private, confidential and/or privileged material.> Review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by> any person other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Please> be aware that this email may have been a group mailing (bcc) and if you> received this through error we apologize. 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