Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha really... because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the ashtanga series. BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first series up to the boat. But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me to come to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha and all kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... Thanks again for your advice Alma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Hops and jumps are hard for me, too - I'm sure some of it is core strength and the rest flexibility. I emphasized limbs and upper torso over core and legs during my weight-lifting youth. I imagine I'm payign for that now.... D On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Alma Siobhmhaith < universal_mother_nua wrote: Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha really... because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the ashtanga series. BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first series up to the boat. But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me to come to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha and all kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... Thanks again for your advice Alma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Alma- Are you struggeling with your jump throughs? I've found both in practice and teaching that jump throughs are only limited by the two F's, flexability & fear. If your pretty comfortable with your seated forward fold even with a small bend in your knee, jump throughs are accesable. Think of a cat (lion tiger ect..) getting ready to pounce. Get back low with your " tail " up, look up a few feet infront of your hands (about where you think your feet will be), find a focal point and without too much mind chatter send your feet right to your focuse point. Instead of blocks try a phone book from a larger city. (check your libray for old copies) every day remove 10 to 30 pages. Before you know it you'll have them down and enjoy the playfullness of this brief flight! :-) blessings Hari Om Tat Sat ashtangayoga , Alma Siobhmhaith <universal_mother_nua wrote: > > Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha really... because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the ashtanga series. BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? > > I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first series up to the boat. > But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me to come to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha and all kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... > > Thanks again for your advice > Alma > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 elbows slide apart in pincha because shoulders and upper back are not a open as they need to be to keep shoulders together. Blocks and strap done correctly is quite appropriate modification. other than core strength issue, jump through and back is quite a different issue. Do not recommend blocks -- they are intrinsically unstable. I've seen people injure themselves with blocks. Also they allow you to avoid strength/opening that you need to develop for jump through. There is a very systematic/progressive approach to jump throughs --- too hard to explain in email -- best shown. Again, strongly recommend you find a teacher. You are doing yourself a huge disservice by teaching yourself ashtanga. A good teacher can give you suggestions that will avoid years of struggle. BTW -- expect 3-8 years of daily practice before jump through and back are fluid. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Alma Siobhmhaith < universal_mother_nua wrote: > > > Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha really... > because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the ashtanga series. > BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? > > I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first series up > to the boat. > But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me to come > to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha and all > kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel > comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength > yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... > > Thanks again for your advice > Alma > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 hahah!!! That's a fantastic post!!! Thanks so much!!! I will have a go with those phone books... should have two older ones sitting somewhere on the dining table... Thank a million!!! Alma ashtangayoga , " hoodriverashtanga " <hoodriverashtanga wrote: > > > Alma- > > Are you struggeling with your jump throughs? > > I've found both in practice and teaching that jump throughs are only limited by the two F's, flexability & fear. If your pretty comfortable with your seated forward fold even with a small bend in your knee, jump throughs are accesable. > > Think of a cat (lion tiger ect..) getting ready to pounce. Get back low with your " tail " up, look up a few feet infront of your hands (about where you think your feet will be), find a focal point and without too much mind chatter send your feet right to your focuse point. Instead of blocks try a phone book from a larger city. (check your libray for old copies) every day remove 10 to 30 pages. Before you know it you'll have them down and enjoy the playfullness of this brief flight! :-) > > blessings > > Hari Om Tat Sat > ashtangayoga , Alma Siobhmhaith <universal_mother_nua@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha really... because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the ashtanga series. BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? > > > > I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first series up to the boat. > > But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me to come to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha and all kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... > > > > Thanks again for your advice > > Alma > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 aha... okay... I will go an see a teacher as soon as I am back in my hometown. promise!!! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Hi Alma, Tom's thought's on elevating your feet so that you get a head start in the " jump through " is good but I hate to be a stickler, maybe you should also try working on the " strength " portion of your abdominal muscles around your stomach and waste so that you can support your legs as they travel through. This will probably give you more control and help you to NOT KICK anything that you are using as a " marker " in the end position you're trying to achieve. toodles, colette ashtangayoga , " alma_shiva_sat_chit_ananda " <universal_mother_nua wrote: > > hahah!!! That's a fantastic post!!! Thanks so much!!! I will have a go with those phone books... should have two older ones sitting somewhere on the dining table... Thank a million!!! > > Alma > > ashtangayoga , " hoodriverashtanga " <hoodriverashtanga@> wrote: > > > > > > Alma- > > > > Are you struggeling with your jump throughs? > > > > I've found both in practice and teaching that jump throughs are only limited by the two F's, flexability & fear. If your pretty comfortable with your seated forward fold even with a small bend in your knee, jump throughs are accesable. > > > > Think of a cat (lion tiger ect..) getting ready to pounce. Get back low with your " tail " up, look up a few feet infront of your hands (about where you think your feet will be), find a focal point and without too much mind chatter send your feet right to your focuse point. Instead of blocks try a phone book from a larger city. (check your libray for old copies) every day remove 10 to 30 pages. Before you know it you'll have them down and enjoy the playfullness of this brief flight! :-) > > > > blessings > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > ashtangayoga , Alma Siobhmhaith <universal_mother_nua@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha really... because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the ashtanga series. BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? > > > > > > I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first series up to the boat. > > > But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me to come to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha and all kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice > > > Alma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Actually, that wasn't my post. I personally don't think the phone book is a good idea. I've seen two people dislocate their shoulders using blocks/phone books to assist jump through. Problem is people try to hurl their legs through and lack the control/strength to " float " forward. There are more systematic approaches to develop requisite strength and flexibility to make this easy. -tom On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, colette <ksheri3 wrote: > > > Hi Alma, > > Tom's thought's on elevating your feet so that you get a head start in the > " jump through " is good but I hate to be a stickler, maybe you should also > try working on the " strength " portion of your abdominal muscles around your > stomach and waste so that you can support your legs as they travel through. > This will probably give you more control and help you to NOT KICK anything > that you are using as a " marker " in the end position you're trying to > achieve. > > toodles, > colette > > ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40>, > " alma_shiva_sat_chit_ananda " <universal_mother_nua wrote: > > > > hahah!!! That's a fantastic post!!! Thanks so much!!! I will have a go > with those phone books... should have two older ones sitting somewhere on > the dining table... Thank a million!!! > > > > Alma > > > > ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40>, > " hoodriverashtanga " <hoodriverashtanga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Alma- > > > > > > Are you struggeling with your jump throughs? > > > > > > I've found both in practice and teaching that jump throughs are only > limited by the two F's, flexability & fear. If your pretty comfortable with > your seated forward fold even with a small bend in your knee, jump throughs > are accesable. > > > > > > Think of a cat (lion tiger ect..) getting ready to pounce. Get back low > with your " tail " up, look up a few feet infront of your hands (about where > you think your feet will be), find a focal point and without too much mind > chatter send your feet right to your focuse point. Instead of blocks try a > phone book from a larger city. (check your libray for old copies) every day > remove 10 to 30 pages. Before you know it you'll have them down and enjoy > the playfullness of this brief flight! :-) > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40>, > Alma Siobhmhaith <universal_mother_nua@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. You are absolutely right... I am not ready for pincha > really... because I am still faaar away from doing the 'jumps' in the > ashtanga series. BTW. Anyone using blocks for that??? > > > > > > > > I am not doing the pincha in my ashtanga practice, just the first > series up to the boat. > > > > But I have a friend who is a yoga teacher and he sort of expects me > to come to his classes which are mixed style. He is obsessed with the pincha > and all kinds of inversions so this is where I need to do them. I don't feel > comfortable because I feel that I do not have the necessary core strength > yet. First I need to get those soft 'jumps' someway... someday... > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your advice > > > > Alma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Okay, so the phone book was/is a bad idea, but that doewsn't take away the concept of elevating the feet so that a " boast' can be given to assist in the transgression or is that transition? It's nothing more than a change, just as, at one time, I gave a 'subject line' the name " BONG WATER " since I was 'filtering' something and bong water is nothing more than a filter system. In fact, any person can be considered a filtration system. > Problem is people try to hurl their legs through and lack the > control/strength to " float " forward. > colette: this is a common problem! the gymnastic act of what is called an " L " is the objective here, which clearly relates to my advice to work on the abdominal muslces that can give the needed support to the thighs and the legs. The practitioners clearly lack the control of their own legs and to gain that control requires work on the muscles that do the supporting, which clearly shows the abdominals. > There are more systematic approaches to develop requisite strength and > flexibility to make this easy. > colette: without question: leg lifts, inverted sit ups inverted hangs so as to losten the muscles up, tons upon tons of methodologies that can bring up the person's ability to control their thighs. Thanx for the thoughts and specifications. toodles, colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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