Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Hi everyone: I'm interested in starting an ashtanga " collective " in bay area. Basically it would be a group of people who rent a studio space and practice together. Precise format could be determined by participants. Would be interested in doing it either in east bay (berkeley/albany) or Marin. Send an email if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective', also in the bay area - in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) time scedule suitable for most. I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficult/new asana. Thanks. Dilip ________________________________ Tom Hunter <thunter01 ashtangayoga Sat, March 6, 2010 4:23:02 PM ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective Hi everyone: I'm interested in starting an ashtanga " collective " in bay area. Basically it would be a group of people who rent a studio space and practice together. Precise format could be determined by participants. Would be interested in doing it either in east bay (berkeley/albany) or Marin. Send an email if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Dilip, It's my experience that you should be sure anyone giving adjusments has training Just sharing my experience Blessins Jen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us wrote: Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective', also in the bay area - in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) time scedule suitable for most. I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficult/new asana. Thanks. Dilip ________________________________ Tom Hunter <thunter01 ashtangayoga Sat, March 6, 2010 4:23:02 PM ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective Hi everyone: I'm interested in starting an ashtanga " collective " in bay area. Basically it would be a group of people who rent a studio space and practice together. Precise format could be determined by participants. Would be interested in doing it either in east bay (berkeley/albany) or Marin. Send an email if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Thanks Jen! I was/am thinking of the matter of whether or not to allow 'adjustments'. I see its a serious issue. Both from the physical harm and the legal point of view. Other/some what related situations I have been thinking of for quite some time: - In silicon valley, as in other parts, there are lot of people who currently do not have a job, so no income. They simply can not afford to spend $120-160/month. It would be nice if these people can keep their practice, be on the mat until they are once again gainfully employed. Other than the obvious physical benifit, it will help them to avoid depression, it will create a positive, optimistic state of mind & in case they are learning some new skills/technology, the brain operates much more efficiently with the regular Yogasana practice, specially with the inversions & may be, a little bit of Pranayam & Dhyan. At least, that is from what little experience I have. - ParamPujya (deeply respected) Guruji has over and over said: 99% practice and 1% theory/teaching. So, (only for the folk who are not employed) that can translate into: do 3 months of own practice (this is where the collective can help) & follow that with one visit to a class by paying $15 walk in fee:) The downside is that this practice is not under a watchful eye of any teacher. In any case, it is much better than nothing. - I, personally would like to be one of the volunteers who organize/teach/evangelize the 'free Yoga' movement. This is on the lines of the vastly successful 'free/open-source' movement in the computer software domain. For Yoga, this is nothing new. After internalizing 'Yam/Niyam' etc, to an aspiring yogi, who is striving to reduce ego, reduce the attachments to both wealth and power, 'free Yoga' will automatically seem as the only natural way. All this does not in any way preclude the position of all of the esteemed Guru. But they are a very special catagory. They have typically spent 15-20 years learning and taken Yoga as a full time profession. For the rest of us, the remaining 99%, who have some other form of livelihood, it is 'Free Yoga'. I.e. practice, teach & contribute FREEly, (as they say, as in beer). Everything is in the open, transparent & free, everything is open to peer(world) review & critique. There are no legal boundaries on use. -To my little knowledge, this 'open/free'ness has always been the foundation, the corner stone of Dharma & all ancient Indian systems/philosophies including Yoga. No one person became the sole, the only creator, the only messanger. The thoughs were the results of thousands of Rushi/Muni (respected deep thinkers) who namelessly contributed over a period of thousands of years. Sometimes, they even took pseudonyms like 'manduk' (frog). Nobody knows who they were. This is truly in the modern spirit of 'Free/open source'. Like evolution, only the thoughts that were worthwhile, lived on and became popular even though nobody knew the creators. Pardon me for the long rambling, Namaste. Dilip ________________________________ Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga " ashtangayoga " <ashtangayoga > Mon, March 8, 2010 9:42:52 PM Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective Dilip, It's my experience that you should be sure anyone giving adjusments has training Just sharing my experience Blessins Jen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us > wrote: Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective' , also in the bay area - in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) time scedule suitable for most. I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficul t/new asana. Thanks. Dilip ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I could not agree more. I live in a small community not alot of yoga and NO free yoga. I've been a teacher for years. I recently was placed in a position to find private equity/debt/mezzanine/blend for projects. This has changed my reality. I am starting free classes in april. In the past I saw the exchange of money as an offering to allow me to care for my family and be able to share the yoga philosophy. I'm very excitted to be in a place now to share it freely. Having said that I will maintain my malpractice Insurance. Even though I will teach for free I am intact still responsible for my students safety. If I can be of assistance, let me know! Hari OM, Jen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us wrote: Thanks Jen! I was/am thinking of the matter of whether or not to allow 'adjustments'. I see its a serious issue. Both from the physical harm and the legal point of view. Other/some what related situations I have been thinking of for quite some time: - In silicon valley, as in other parts, there are lot of people who currently do not have a job, so no income. They simply can not afford to spend $120-160/month. It would be nice if these people can keep their practice, be on the mat until they are once again gainfully employed. Other than the obvious physical benifit, it will help them to avoid depression, it will create a positive, optimistic state of mind & in case they are learning some new skills/technology, the brain operates much more efficiently with the regular Yogasana practice, specially with the inversions & may be, a little bit of Pranayam & Dhyan. At least, that is from what little experience I have. - ParamPujya (deeply respected) Guruji has over and over said: 99% practice and 1% theory/teaching. So, (only for the folk who are not employed) that can translate into: do 3 months of own practice (this is where the collective can help) & follow that with one visit to a class by paying $15 walk in fee:) The downside is that this practice is not under a watchful eye of any teacher. In any case, it is much better than nothing. - I, personally would like to be one of the volunteers who organize/teach/evangelize the 'free Yoga' movement. This is on the lines of the vastly successful 'free/open-source' movement in the computer software domain. For Yoga, this is nothing new. After internalizing 'Yam/Niyam' etc, to an aspiring yogi, who is striving to reduce ego, reduce the attachments to both wealth and power, 'free Yoga' will automatically seem as the only natural way. All this does not in any way preclude the position of all of the esteemed Guru. But they are a very special catagory. They have typically spent 15-20 years learning and taken Yoga as a full time profession. For the rest of us, the remaining 99%, who have some other form of livelihood, it is 'Free Yoga'. I.e. practice, teach & contribute FREEly, (as they say, as in beer). Everything is in the open, transparent & free, everything is open to peer(world) review & critique. There are no legal boundaries on use. -To my little knowledge, this 'open/free'ness has always been the foundation, the corner stone of Dharma & all ancient Indian systems/philosophies including Yoga. No one person became the sole, the only creator, the only messanger. The thoughs were the results of thousands of Rushi/Muni (respected deep thinkers) who namelessly contributed over a period of thousands of years. Sometimes, they even took pseudonyms like 'manduk' (frog). Nobody knows who they were. This is truly in the modern spirit of 'Free/open source'. Like evolution, only the thoughts that were worthwhile, lived on and became popular even though nobody knew the creators. Pardon me for the long rambling, Namaste. Dilip ________________________________ Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga " ashtangayoga " <ashtangayoga > Mon, March 8, 2010 9:42:52 PM Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective Dilip, It's my experience that you should be sure anyone giving adjusments has training Just sharing my experience Blessins Jen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us > wrote: Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective' , also in the bay area - in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) time scedule suitable for most. I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficul t/new asana. Thanks. Dilip ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Sounds like a great idea. There's something not quite right about not being able to be a part of a yoga community because you don't have $140 a month extra to spend. ashtangayoga , Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga wrote: > > I could not agree more. I live in a small community not alot of yoga and NO free yoga. I've been a teacher for years. I recently was placed in a position to find private equity/debt/mezzanine/blend for projects. This has changed my reality. I am starting free classes in april. In the past I saw the exchange of money as an offering to allow me to care for my family and be able to share the yoga philosophy. > > I'm very excitted to be in a place now to share it freely. Having said that I will maintain my malpractice Insurance. Even though I will teach for free I am intact still responsible for my students safety. > > If I can be of assistance, let me know! > > Hari OM, > > Jen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us wrote: > > Thanks Jen! > > I was/am thinking of the matter of whether or not to allow 'adjustments'. I see its a serious issue. Both from the physical harm and the legal point of view. > > Other/some what related situations I have been thinking of for quite some time: > > - In silicon valley, as in other parts, there are lot of people who currently do not have a job, so no income. They simply can not afford to spend $120-160/month. It would be nice if these people can keep their practice, be on the mat until they are once again gainfully employed. Other than the obvious physical benifit, it will help them to avoid depression, it will create a positive, optimistic state of mind & in case they are learning some new skills/technology, the brain operates much more efficiently with the regular Yogasana practice, specially with the inversions & may be, a little bit of Pranayam & Dhyan. At least, that is from what little experience I have. > > - ParamPujya (deeply respected) Guruji has over and over said: 99% practice and 1% theory/teaching. So, (only for the folk who are not employed) that can translate into: do 3 months of own practice (this is where the collective can help) & follow that with one visit to a class by paying $15 walk in fee:) The downside is that this practice is not under a watchful eye of any teacher. In any case, it is much better than nothing. > > - I, personally would like to be one of the volunteers who organize/teach/evangelize the 'free Yoga' movement. This is on the lines of the vastly successful 'free/open-source' movement in the computer software domain. For Yoga, this is nothing new. After internalizing 'Yam/Niyam' etc, to an aspiring yogi, who is striving to reduce ego, reduce the attachments to both wealth and power, 'free Yoga' will automatically seem as the only natural way. All this does not in any way preclude the position of all of the esteemed Guru. But they are a very special catagory. They have typically spent 15-20 years learning and taken Yoga as a full time profession. For the rest of us, the remaining 99%, who have some other form of livelihood, it is 'Free Yoga'. I.e. practice, teach & contribute FREEly, (as they say, as in beer). Everything is in the open, transparent & free, everything is open to peer(world) review & critique. There are no legal boundaries on use. > > -To my little knowledge, this 'open/free'ness has always been the foundation, the corner stone of Dharma & all ancient Indian systems/philosophies including Yoga. No one person became the sole, the only creator, the only messanger. The thoughs were the results of thousands of Rushi/Muni (respected deep thinkers) who namelessly contributed over a period of thousands of years. Sometimes, they even took pseudonyms like 'manduk' (frog). Nobody knows who they were. This is truly in the modern spirit of 'Free/open source'. Like evolution, only the thoughts that were worthwhile, lived on and became popular even though nobody knew the creators. > > Pardon me for the long rambling, > > Namaste. > > Dilip > > ________________________________ > Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga > " ashtangayoga " <ashtangayoga > > Mon, March 8, 2010 9:42:52 PM > Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective > > Dilip, > > It's my experience that you should be sure anyone giving adjusments has training > > Just sharing my experience > > Blessins > > Jen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us > wrote: > > Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective' , also in the bay area - > in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) time scedule suitable for most. > > I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficul t/new asana. > > Thanks. > > Dilip > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dilip/Jen, I could not agree more with what are doing and have said. I was unemployed for 6 months last summer. I wanted to take classes but couldn't justify spending the money, when in reality, practicing more is exactly what is needed to get through tough times and prevent depression. I find great benefits from not only the practice, but the camaraderie/networking with others I practice with. Good people. If I lived in either of your communities, I'd make an effort to attend those practices and pay as I am now employed and believe strongly in what you both are doing. Good luck to you both. Keith Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Agreed. D Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-T Rochester, NY, US http://darrellking.com DarrellGKing On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jacqueline <jpennerlourdeswrote: Sounds like a great idea. There's something not quite right about not being able to be a part of a yoga community because you don't have $140 a month extra to spend. ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40>, Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga wrote: > > I could not agree more. I live in a small community not alot of yoga and NO free yoga. I've been a teacher for years. I recently was placed in a position to find private equity/debt/mezzanine/blend for projects. This has changed my reality. I am starting free classes in april. In the past I saw the exchange of money as an offering to allow me to care for my family and be able to share the yoga philosophy. > > I'm very excitted to be in a place now to share it freely. Having said that I will maintain my malpractice Insurance. Even though I will teach for free I am intact still responsible for my students safety. > > If I can be of assistance, let me know! > > Hari OM, > > Jen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us wrote: > > Thanks Jen! > > I was/am thinking of the matter of whether or not to allow 'adjustments'. I see its a serious issue. Both from the physical harm and the legal point of view. > > Other/some what related situations I have been thinking of for quite some time: > > - In silicon valley, as in other parts, there are lot of people who currently do not have a job, so no income. They simply can not afford to spend $120-160/month. It would be nice if these people can keep their practice, be on the mat until they are once again gainfully employed. Other than the obvious physical benifit, it will help them to avoid depression, it will create a positive, optimistic state of mind & in case they are learning some new skills/technology, the brain operates much more efficiently with the regular Yogasana practice, specially with the inversions & may be, a little bit of Pranayam & Dhyan. At least, that is from what little experience I have. > > - ParamPujya (deeply respected) Guruji has over and over said: 99% practice and 1% theory/teaching. So, (only for the folk who are not employed) that can translate into: do 3 months of own practice (this is where the collective can help) & follow that with one visit to a class by paying $15 walk in fee:) The downside is that this practice is not under a watchful eye of any teacher. In any case, it is much better than nothing. > > - I, personally would like to be one of the volunteers who organize/teach/evangelize the 'free Yoga' movement. This is on the lines of the vastly successful 'free/open-source' movement in the computer software domain. For Yoga, this is nothing new. After internalizing 'Yam/Niyam' etc, to an aspiring yogi, who is striving to reduce ego, reduce the attachments to both wealth and power, 'free Yoga' will automatically seem as the only natural way. All this does not in any way preclude the position of all of the esteemed Guru. But they are a very special catagory. They have typically spent 15-20 years learning and taken Yoga as a full time profession. For the rest of us, the remaining 99%, who have some other form of livelihood, it is 'Free Yoga'. I.e. practice, teach & contribute FREEly, (as they say, as in beer). Everything is in the open, transparent & free, everything is open to peer(world) review & critique. There are no legal boundaries on use. > > -To my little knowledge, this 'open/free'ness has always been the foundation, the corner stone of Dharma & all ancient Indian systems/philosophies including Yoga. No one person became the sole, the only creator, the only messanger. The thoughs were the results of thousands of Rushi/Muni (respected deep thinkers) who namelessly contributed over a period of thousands of years. Sometimes, they even took pseudonyms like 'manduk' (frog). Nobody knows who they were. This is truly in the modern spirit of 'Free/open source'. Like evolution, only the thoughts that were worthwhile, lived on and became popular even though nobody knew the creators. > > Pardon me for the long rambling, > > Namaste. > > Dilip > > ________________________________ > Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga > " ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40> " < ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40>> > Mon, March 8, 2010 9:42:52 PM > Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective > > Dilip, > > It's my experience that you should be sure anyone giving adjusments has training > > Just sharing my experience > > Blessins > > Jen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us > wrote: > > Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective' , also in the bay area - > in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) time scedule suitable for most. > > I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficul t/new asana. > > Thanks. > > Dilip > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 And contributions can still be made as able. In the computer world, Open Source started as a shaky effort by those who thought the advantage of online connection and knowledge should be available to all. It wasn't always free financially, although it often was, but the knowledge was freely available to anyone who wanted to share. Today, Open Office is a completely free alternative to MS Office, GIMP to PhotoShop, and Linux to Windows. It would seem that physical and spiritual health would be an even more fundamental motivation than knowledge and social connection. D On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Keith Coffaro <Coffarok wrote: Dilip/Jen, I could not agree more with what are doing and have said. I was unemployed for 6 months last summer. I wanted to take classes but couldn't justify spending the money, when in reality, practicing more is exactly what is needed to get through tough times and prevent depression. I find great benefits from not only the practice, but the camaraderie/networking with others I practice with. Good people. If I lived in either of your communities, I'd make an effort to attend those practices and pay as I am now employed and believe strongly in what you both are doing. Good luck to you both. Keith Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the south bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not labors of love for their owners. Two, I've never taught at or studied at an ashtanga studio that wouldn't make some sort of allowance for unemployment. From work study programs, to outright scholarships, there are options for people who actually ask. When I was a student, teachers made allowances for me and I've always done my part to help extend this to my students. If you have an independently wealthy backer who can finance the practice of yoga for all that would be lovely, but otherwise in my own experience the West does not lend itself to these well intended ventures. At best setting rates in the way they are set allows those who can help others to practice to do so, and everyone who wants to practice ashtanga to do so together. Finally your teachers. Every teacher is different, this is true. But in my experience if you find a teacher that really has spent years studying in India and here in order to internalize the real practice of ashtanga yoga, and hasn't spent their time amassing wealth and glory, I think its a reasonable thing to allow that teacher a modest living and opportunity to continue to study with their teacher so they can bring these teachings to you. Discernment is in order, for sure. But keep in mind by supporting these kind of teachers you are allowing people to commit not just their spare time but their life to this practice. What they bring you will reflect accordingly. I used to wonder why they would charge in India for yoga when it wasn't traditional to do this, but honestly, if we followed tradition we would be sweeping the floor for our guru to offer our thanks for their teaching. That isn't quite practical now, for those of us who go to India in droves to study. Money is commitment here in the west, it represents our time. I agree it shouldn't stand in the way of practice and it isn't right that sometimes it does. But it is the simplest and most practical way, and till we find a better way.... On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Darrell King <DarrellGKingwrote: > > > Agreed. > > D > > Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-T > Rochester, NY, US > http://darrellking.com > DarrellGKing <DarrellGKing%40gmail.com> > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jacqueline <jpennerlourdes<jpennerlourdes%40sbcglobal.net> > >wrote: > > > Sounds like a great idea. There's something not quite right about not being > able to be a part of a yoga community because you don't have $140 a month > extra to spend. > > ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40><ashtangayoga% > 40>, Jen > > Puff <hoodriverashtanga wrote: > > > > I could not agree more. I live in a small community not alot of yoga and > NO free yoga. I've been a teacher for years. I recently was placed in a > position to find private equity/debt/mezzanine/blend for projects. This has > changed my reality. I am starting free classes in april. In the past I saw > the exchange of money as an offering to allow me to care for my family and > be able to share the yoga philosophy. > > > > I'm very excitted to be in a place now to share it freely. Having said > that I will maintain my malpractice Insurance. Even though I will teach for > free I am intact still responsible for my students safety. > > > > If I can be of assistance, let me know! > > > > Hari OM, > > > > Jen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us wrote: > > > > Thanks Jen! > > > > I was/am thinking of the matter of whether or not to allow 'adjustments'. > I see its a serious issue. Both from the physical harm and the legal point > of view. > > > > Other/some what related situations I have been thinking of for quite some > time: > > > > - In silicon valley, as in other parts, there are lot of people who > currently do not have a job, so no income. They simply can not afford to > spend $120-160/month. It would be nice if these people can keep their > practice, be on the mat until they are once again gainfully employed. Other > than the obvious physical benifit, it will help them to avoid depression, > it > will create a positive, optimistic state of mind & in case they are > learning > some new skills/technology, the brain operates much more efficiently with > the regular Yogasana practice, specially with the inversions & may be, a > little bit of Pranayam & Dhyan. At least, that is from what little > experience I have. > > > > - ParamPujya (deeply respected) Guruji has over and over said: 99% > practice and 1% theory/teaching. So, (only for the folk who are not > employed) that can translate into: do 3 months of own practice (this is > where the collective can help) & follow that with one visit to a class by > paying $15 walk in fee:) The downside is that this practice is not under a > watchful eye of any teacher. In any case, it is much better than nothing. > > > > - I, personally would like to be one of the volunteers who > organize/teach/evangelize the 'free Yoga' movement. This is on the lines of > the vastly successful 'free/open-source' movement in the computer software > domain. For Yoga, this is nothing new. After internalizing 'Yam/Niyam' etc, > to an aspiring yogi, who is striving to reduce ego, reduce the attachments > to both wealth and power, 'free Yoga' will automatically seem as the only > natural way. All this does not in any way preclude the position of all of > the esteemed Guru. But they are a very special catagory. They have > typically > spent 15-20 years learning and taken Yoga as a full time profession. For > the > rest of us, the remaining 99%, who have some other form of livelihood, it > is > 'Free Yoga'. I.e. practice, teach & contribute FREEly, (as they say, as in > beer). Everything is in the open, transparent & free, everything is open to > peer(world) review & critique. There are no legal boundaries on use. > > > > -To my little knowledge, this 'open/free'ness has always been the > foundation, the corner stone of Dharma & all ancient Indian > systems/philosophies including Yoga. No one person became the sole, the > only > creator, the only messanger. The thoughs were the results of thousands of > Rushi/Muni (respected deep thinkers) who namelessly contributed over a > period of thousands of years. Sometimes, they even took pseudonyms like > 'manduk' (frog). Nobody knows who they were. This is truly in the modern > spirit of 'Free/open source'. Like evolution, only the thoughts that were > worthwhile, lived on and became popular even though nobody knew the > creators. > > > > Pardon me for the long rambling, > > > > Namaste. > > > > Dilip > > > > ________________________________ > > Jen Puff <hoodriverashtanga > > " ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40><ashtangayoga% > 40> " < > ashtangayoga <ashtangayoga%40><ashtangayoga% > 40>> > > > Mon, March 8, 2010 9:42:52 PM > > Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective > > > > Dilip, > > > > It's my experience that you should be sure anyone giving adjusments has > training > > > > Just sharing my experience > > > > Blessins > > > > Jen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Dilip Deodhar <dilipd_us > wrote: > > > > Great idea. I would like to start another such 'collective' , also in the > bay area - > > in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara/Cupertino area. If there are a few regulars, we > can look for a cheap (possibly free) place to practice. I have in mind a > couple of possibly free places. It will basically depend on a (regular) > time > scedule suitable for most. > > > > I don't know how these things work. May be, everybody just do their own > Mysore style practice, most likely without any teacher. We can also assist > each other (possibly, only if requested) for any particular/difficul t/new > asana. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dilip > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Hi all i think Anne is bringing balance to the discussion, which is a difficult one. i have gone through periods of unemployment. yoga helped a lot during those periods to maintain grace and balance. what to do then? if one can't get a reduction in fees, then one could go once a week for a drop in and practice the remainder of the time at home. this discussion started with Tom wanting to start a group to do self practice somewhere in Marin county and it has gotten a bit sidetracked. rental of a space shared among several people will cost money, so it is not the solution for the person who is between jobs. if there is a wealthy member that can pay for the space then it's a possibility for a person who might not be able to afford it. sometimes those arrangements occur because as working people, it is difficult to get to the shala and travel to arrive on time to work. it's not out of a feeling of resentment for the teacher or shala-system. finding a community group practice close to where one lives is a great thing. it is my understanding that yoga in Taiwan is perceived to be something that should be done for free in the parks, somewhat like tai-chi. so the idea of free yoga is not off the ball. cheers, Arturo ------------------------- Re: Ashtanga Collective Posted by: " Anne Finstad " annefinstad annefinstad Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 pm (PST) I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the south bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not labors of love for their owners. ========= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Actually I am interested in starting collective in marin or east bay. While absent some generous benefactor, it cannot be free, since it would not be subsidizing somebody's income over and above the cost of space/heat, it would be substantially less expensive. Still soliciting people with interest. If we can get a group of about 15 people should be quite cost effective. Issue of adjustments is not so complex and can be negotiated. -tom On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Arturo Veve <volae wrote: > > > Hi all > > i think Anne is bringing balance to the discussion, which is a difficult > one. i have gone through periods of unemployment. yoga helped a lot during > those periods to maintain grace and balance. what to do then? if one can't > get a reduction in fees, then one could go once a week for a drop in and > practice the remainder of the time at home. > > this discussion started with Tom wanting to start a group to do self > practice somewhere in Marin county and it has gotten a bit sidetracked. > rental of a space shared among several people will cost money, so it is not > the solution for the person who is between jobs. if there is a wealthy > member that can pay for the space then it's a possibility for a person who > might not be able to afford it. sometimes those arrangements occur because > as working people, it is difficult to get to the shala and travel to arrive > on time to work. it's not out of a feeling of resentment for the teacher or > shala-system. finding a community group practice close to where one lives is > a great thing. it is my understanding that yoga in Taiwan is perceived to be > something that should be done for free in the parks, somewhat like tai-chi. > so the idea of free yoga is not off the ball. > > cheers, Arturo > > ------------------------- > Re: Ashtanga Collective > Posted by: " Anne Finstad " annefinstad <annefinstad%40gmail.com>annefinstad > Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 pm (PST) > > I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: > > One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga > studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, > rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running > them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the > south > bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not > labors of love for their owners. > ========= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I think studios are crucial to creating community. All the studios ihave ever been a part of were also as philanthropic as possible. As a student it was vital that the exchange of commitment, energy, and value was balanced. In a collective type setting the exchange can be loser. My privous comments were not judgements. They came from a place of joy! I feel lucky to be able to provide acces to the entire spectrum of the yoga practice and not depend on it for my families well being. It feels free. Shanti Om Jen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Arturo Veve <volae wrote: Hi all i think Anne is bringing balance to the discussion, which is a difficult one. i have gone through periods of unemployment. yoga helped a lot during those periods to maintain grace and balance. what to do then? if one can't get a reduction in fees, then one could go once a week for a drop in and practice the remainder of the time at home. this discussion started with Tom wanting to start a group to do self practice somewhere in Marin county and it has gotten a bit sidetracked. rental of a space shared among several people will cost money, so it is not the solution for the person who is between jobs. if there is a wealthy member that can pay for the space then it's a possibility for a person who might not be able to afford it. sometimes those arrangements occur because as working people, it is difficult to get to the shala and travel to arrive on time to work. it's not out of a feeling of resentment for the teacher or shala-system. finding a community group practice close to where one lives is a great thing. it is my understanding that yoga in Taiwan is perceived to be something that should be done for free in the parks, somewhat like tai-chi. so the idea of free yoga is not off the ball. cheers, Arturo ------------------------- Re: Ashtanga Collective Posted by: " Anne Finstad " annefinstad annefinstad Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 pm (PST) I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the south bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not labors of love for their owners. ========= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Hi Tom, Where in the east bay are you considering - it's a wide area and so if you specify some cities, perhaps people near those cities can respond if they are interested - I live in Fremont and would love to find a place to do mysore practice (with or without a teacher) near my home. Dipita Tom Hunter <thunter01 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:54:46 <ashtangayoga > Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective Actually I am interested in starting collective in marin or east bay. While absent some generous benefactor, it cannot be free, since it would not be subsidizing somebody's income over and above the cost of space/heat, it would be substantially less expensive. Still soliciting people with interest. If we can get a group of about 15 people should be quite cost effective. Issue of adjustments is not so complex and can be negotiated. -tom On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Arturo Veve <volae wrote: > > > Hi all > > i think Anne is bringing balance to the discussion, which is a difficult > one. i have gone through periods of unemployment. yoga helped a lot during > those periods to maintain grace and balance. what to do then? if one can't > get a reduction in fees, then one could go once a week for a drop in and > practice the remainder of the time at home. > > this discussion started with Tom wanting to start a group to do self > practice somewhere in Marin county and it has gotten a bit sidetracked. > rental of a space shared among several people will cost money, so it is not > the solution for the person who is between jobs. if there is a wealthy > member that can pay for the space then it's a possibility for a person who > might not be able to afford it. sometimes those arrangements occur because > as working people, it is difficult to get to the shala and travel to arrive > on time to work. it's not out of a feeling of resentment for the teacher or > shala-system. finding a community group practice close to where one lives is > a great thing. it is my understanding that yoga in Taiwan is perceived to be > something that should be done for free in the parks, somewhat like tai-chi. > so the idea of free yoga is not off the ball. > > cheers, Arturo > > ------------------------- > Re: Ashtanga Collective > Posted by: " Anne Finstad " annefinstad <annefinstad%40gmail.com>annefinstad > Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 pm (PST) > > I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: > > One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga > studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, > rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running > them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the > south > bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not > labors of love for their owners. > ========= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 hi dipita, i live in the south bay too. i can no longer go all the way to san francisco for mysore practice. if there are community halls or temples that would allow a bunch of us to practice in the mornings, that would be swell. even otherwise, i would love to have a proper shala in the south bay. someplace where i can practice without having to deal with crossing the bridge(s). this is a question for those in the south bay: where do you go for your classes? i have been practicing on and off since 2007. daily morning practice at home since jan '10. ashtangayoga , dipita_shah wrote: > > Hi Tom, > Where in the east bay are you considering - it's a wide area and so if you specify some cities, perhaps people near those cities can respond if they are interested - I live in Fremont and would love to find a place to do mysore practice (with or without a teacher) near my home. > > Dipita > > Tom Hunter <thunter01 > Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:54:46 > <ashtangayoga > > Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective > > Actually I am interested in starting collective in marin or east bay. > While absent some generous benefactor, it cannot be free, since > it would not be subsidizing somebody's income over and above the cost of > space/heat, it would be substantially less expensive. > > Still soliciting people with interest. > If we can get a group of about 15 people should be quite cost effective. > > Issue of adjustments is not so complex and can be negotiated. > > -tom > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Arturo Veve <volae wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > i think Anne is bringing balance to the discussion, which is a difficult > > one. i have gone through periods of unemployment. yoga helped a lot during > > those periods to maintain grace and balance. what to do then? if one can't > > get a reduction in fees, then one could go once a week for a drop in and > > practice the remainder of the time at home. > > > > this discussion started with Tom wanting to start a group to do self > > practice somewhere in Marin county and it has gotten a bit sidetracked. > > rental of a space shared among several people will cost money, so it is not > > the solution for the person who is between jobs. if there is a wealthy > > member that can pay for the space then it's a possibility for a person who > > might not be able to afford it. sometimes those arrangements occur because > > as working people, it is difficult to get to the shala and travel to arrive > > on time to work. it's not out of a feeling of resentment for the teacher or > > shala-system. finding a community group practice close to where one lives is > > a great thing. it is my understanding that yoga in Taiwan is perceived to be > > something that should be done for free in the parks, somewhat like tai-chi. > > so the idea of free yoga is not off the ball. > > > > cheers, Arturo > > > > ------------------------- > > Re: Ashtanga Collective > > Posted by: " Anne Finstad " annefinstad <annefinstad%40gmail.com>annefinstad > > Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 pm (PST) > > > > I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: > > > > One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga > > studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, > > rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running > > them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the > > south > > bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not > > labors of love for their owners. > > ========= > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 There is a mysore studio in Mountain View which has solid mysore practice in case that works for you - unfortunately, that is hard for me to get to right now. I have asked the studio owner in Fremont to open a mysore program but she isn't interested. If we find enough interested parties, we can see if we can rent the studio in Milpitas, CA for a couple of hours a few days of the week - so anyone out there interested in practicing in the south east Bay/Milpitas/North San Jose, chime in and perhaps we can find a solution for us. lalitha_visveswaran <no_reply > Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:22:21 <ashtangayoga > ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective hi dipita, i live in the south bay too. i can no longer go all the way to san francisco for mysore practice. if there are community halls or temples that would allow a bunch of us to practice in the mornings, that would be swell. even otherwise, i would love to have a proper shala in the south bay. someplace where i can practice without having to deal with crossing the bridge(s). this is a question for those in the south bay: where do you go for your classes? i have been practicing on and off since 2007. daily morning practice at home since jan '10. ashtangayoga , dipita_shah wrote: > > Hi Tom, > Where in the east bay are you considering - it's a wide area and so if you specify some cities, perhaps people near those cities can respond if they are interested - I live in Fremont and would love to find a place to do mysore practice (with or without a teacher) near my home. > > Dipita > > Tom Hunter <thunter01 > Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:54:46 > <ashtangayoga > > Re: ashtanga yoga Re: Ashtanga Collective > > Actually I am interested in starting collective in marin or east bay. > While absent some generous benefactor, it cannot be free, since > it would not be subsidizing somebody's income over and above the cost of > space/heat, it would be substantially less expensive. > > Still soliciting people with interest. > If we can get a group of about 15 people should be quite cost effective. > > Issue of adjustments is not so complex and can be negotiated. > > -tom > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Arturo Veve <volae wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > i think Anne is bringing balance to the discussion, which is a difficult > > one. i have gone through periods of unemployment. yoga helped a lot during > > those periods to maintain grace and balance. what to do then? if one can't > > get a reduction in fees, then one could go once a week for a drop in and > > practice the remainder of the time at home. > > > > this discussion started with Tom wanting to start a group to do self > > practice somewhere in Marin county and it has gotten a bit sidetracked. > > rental of a space shared among several people will cost money, so it is not > > the solution for the person who is between jobs. if there is a wealthy > > member that can pay for the space then it's a possibility for a person who > > might not be able to afford it. sometimes those arrangements occur because > > as working people, it is difficult to get to the shala and travel to arrive > > on time to work. it's not out of a feeling of resentment for the teacher or > > shala-system. finding a community group practice close to where one lives is > > a great thing. it is my understanding that yoga in Taiwan is perceived to be > > something that should be done for free in the parks, somewhat like tai-chi. > > so the idea of free yoga is not off the ball. > > > > cheers, Arturo > > > > ------------------------- > > Re: Ashtanga Collective > > Posted by: " Anne Finstad " annefinstad <annefinstad%40gmail.com>annefinstad > > Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 pm (PST) > > > > I would only add a few points to a well intended discussion: > > > > One, rents do cost money. Most yoga studios, albeit not all but most yoga > > studios don't make THAT Much money. Once they have paid their teachers, > > rent, fees, etc., most barely make a profit those who spend hours running > > them. Perhaps in New York or a few other, places, but even here in the > > south > > bay its a rare place to be that profitable. They are more often than not > > labors of love for their owners. > > ========= > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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