Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 shrImAtre namaH is a text oriented discussion list. Hence, we do not get too much into these matters about specific persons/organization*. Each individual has to come to a conclusion based on what they know and learn whatever is necessary to come to this conclusion. But this is an important issue and most of us face this in some context or other. What one should do when they hear a criticism about a Saint or an organization. First and foremost is how it affects your sAdhana? Second does it lead you away or stop you from following your sadhana and third, does it run contrary to your value system. You analyze and come to a conclusion to based on these and similar questions. Ultimately it is a personal decision, but one can be as objective as one wants to be. Having said that, at a personal level, I do not know much about Sri karuNaamayI and I know Sri Ammachi for over 11 years and each year we go to Dallas to spend two days when ammachi is around. I have been blessed and benefited by this association; and I have implicit trust in her. I am not too much concerned about the claims and counter-claims about Ammachi's divinity, even though I get carried away sometimes. To me she is a symbol of love and that is enough. I am not formally initiated by her and I do not also see a need. I have learnt few vital lessons from her, and they help me immensely. Also Ammachi or anybody else have not stopped me from following my dharma or led me away from it. If I am not following and if I am committing errors, it is my own making. I have received unprintable e-mails about her and other saints. I have read them, considered them, and as always discarded them to trash can as I saw no value in them. Ravi * We made an exception with Kanchi maTha controversy, which happened recently. On 9/25/07, adi_shakthi16 < adi_shakthi16 wrote: > > Respected Ambaal devotees : > > As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great > LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include > Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from > Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment > but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized > saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their > intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you > might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of > Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana > Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the > Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she > visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a > special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work > Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance . > > now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate > Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should > we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of > Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of > criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to > Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is > instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE > INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ? > > Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii > Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha ! > > Please educate me on this . > > thanks > > OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA ! > > _ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Shri Gurubhyo Namay. As Saadhakas, we should attempt not to criticise others. It is a difficult path, and I am personally also guilty of criticizing others, sometimes even frivolously. However, more often than not, I make a conscious effort to see good in others. At these times, I try to remind myself how many times I have seen really great people criticizing others. I have never seen any of the three Jagadgurus at the Kanchi matham or my Guruji criticising others. Shri Maathre Namah. KR. - adi_shakthi16 Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:35 AM A question ? Respected Ambaal devotees : As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance . now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ? Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha ! Please educate me on this . thanks OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Dear Divine, Everyone has got the right to criticise because they have no spiritual experience of that person about whom he is criticising. Every saint, whatever be their calibre, is sent by nature to transmit the divine energy to every one at their level so that the person receiving the transmission of the divine energy is taken to the next level, to make him know that he is God. For instance the sun has several kalas - energy - and they are showered for each one to receive whatever energy they want. However in sakthi upasana some rules have been laid down and no saint will bypass these, for the simple reason they have come down to establish sanathana dharma and to help people in all respects. Forget about criticism and tread the path you are shown. if you find by sitting by any saint you feel the calmness and divine vibrations, accept them and proceed further. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > " adi_shakthi16 " <adi_shakthi16 > > > A question ? >Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:35:28 -0000 > >Respected Ambaal devotees : > >As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great >LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include >Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from >Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment >but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized >saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their >intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you >might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of >Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana >Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the >Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she >visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a >special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work >Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance . > >now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate >Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should >we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of >Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of >criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to >Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is >instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE >INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ? > >Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii >Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha ! > >Please educate me on this . > >thanks > >OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA ! > _______________ " Post ads for free - to sell, rent or even buy.www.yello.in " http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=186 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Shrimaan Raviji : Namaste! i am really delighted to read your response to my question. i fully resonate with the words in this para of yout well thought out message (I have been blessed and benefited by this association; and I have implicit trust in her. I am not too much concerned about the claims and counter-claims about Ammachi's divinity, even though I get carried away sometimes. To me she is a symbol of love and that is enough.) Thanx ! This is the 'informed' opinion of many devi . Amma's divine prsence always make me think of the higher love ( i.e Love for the Divine ). She is mother Kamakshi herself - her eyes are full of love for the divine in all of us. As far as Kanchi Matha controversy was concerned, that was poltically motivated . Paramacharya comes from the great Adi shankara bhagvadpada lineage and he is my family guru also on my dad's side. Can the Luminosity of the sun be affected by some dark clouds ? Look what happened to the woman who sent the swamigal to jail? She has disappeared in the sands of time. .. Ammachi, sri Ramakrishna paramahamsa etc are great souls and those who indulge in maligning these great souls are not 'fit' to call themselves Shaktas. thank you , once again Salutations to the divine mother residing in all of us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Namasthe. During the time of Maha Swamy a registered parcel containing 30 books was received by the Mutt and the manager became furious after reading the contents of the book and he came running fumingly to show the contents of the parcel to H.H. This was the time of unholy rivalry between the devotees of Sringeri Mutt and Sri Mutt though both the HH of these two mutts were indifferent to these petty issues.( through various incidents which is unnecssary to quote now ) Maha Swamy after going through the book which contained extreme comments in print form by a learned and well known scholar of Sringeri Mutt, on the origins of sri mutt and the history of adi sankara. HH calmed the Manager and smilingly instructed the manager to send money order to the author towards the Order of another 50 books, which was carried out promptly. When these books arrived , these along with the earlier 30 copies were distributed freely to the devotees visiting Sri Mutt on instructions by HH. Thereafter Maha Swamy remarked that he would be more than satisfied to have a single informed devotee ,if after digesting the contents of this book. turns back to the mutt. Similarly when another HH of sri mutt was put to extreme hardships in the recent past by an earlier CM of tamil nadu, HH refrained from criticising and simply said that it was purely a matter between the CM and himself. These are the real Jagath Gurus who set an example of Dharmic behaviour and We should try to emulate them. regards ganapathy Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: Shri Gurubhyo Namay. I have never seen any of the three Jagadgurus at the Kanchi matham or my Guruji criticising others. Shri Maathre Namah. KR. ---- OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 > > " As you > might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of > Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana > Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the > Divine Mother " I have been a devotee of Bhagavan Ramana for so long and I have never of the above. This is like some enthusiastic Gnanananda devotees saying that Gnanananda is Ramana's Guru! On 9/25/07, adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote: > > Respected Ambaal devotees : > > As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great > LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include > Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from > Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment > but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized > saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their > intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you > might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of > Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana > Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the > Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she > visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a > special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work > Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance . > > now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate > Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should > we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of > Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of > criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to > Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is > instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE > INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ? > > Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii > Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha ! > > Please educate me on this . > > thanks > > OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA ! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Respected Ambesivan : I am not a devotee of Mother Karunamayi but i have had 'Darshan' of Her many times when She visited washington dc during the last few years. Like Mata Amritanandamayi , she has a large following in the U.S.A . BTW, i am a devotee of Shri Ramana maharishi and i have read on more than one web site the following information : PL READ FOR YOURSELF . " Before her birth in 1958, the great modern saint Ramana Maharshi broke his usual silence to tell Karunamayi's mother, a humble devotee of his, that she would give birth to the Divine Mother. " k http://fourcornersmagazine.com/ISSUES/APRIL_MAY06/PDF/FC5. The same fact is also mentioned in other web sites also . http://www.americanhindu.net/NL_May2005.asp http://www.yogachicago.com/jul02/karunamayi.shtml Anbu sivan-ji, i have no reason to disbelieve this because this was mentioned in the spiritual retreat ALSO i attended while Mother Kayunamayi visited DC few years ago . wHY WOULD As Ravi has so beautifully explained in his post when i have darshan of Such Holy mothers , all i can feel is an enveloping sense of Love and Compassion. The fact that Sri Ramana maharishi predicted about Mother Karunamayi's 'descent' on Earth only makes it even more significant beacause that makes Mother Karunamayi even more 'divine ' in my eyes . For all ambaal devotees , all women are incarnations of the Divine mother! VIDYAH SAMASTAH TAVA DEVI BHEDDAH STRIYAH SAMASTAH SAKALA JAGATSU O DEVI ! ALL TYPES OF KNOWLEDGE ARE THINE OWN DIVINE FORMS, ALL WOMEN ALSO IN THE WORLD ARE THY DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS. PS: i really liked shrimaan's ravi's 'take ' on the subject of Ammachi and Sri Ganapathi's post on Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal! How delightful to be in the midst of such satsanghis. Om Sri Matre Namaha ! , " Anbu sivam2 " <anbesivam2 wrote: > > > > > " As you > > might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of > > Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana > > Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the > > Divine Mother " > > > I have been a devotee of Bhagavan Ramana for so long and I have never of > the above. This is like some enthusiastic Gnanananda devotees saying that > Gnanananda is Ramana's Guru! > > > On 9/25/07, adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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