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shrImAtre namaH

 

is a text oriented discussion list. Hence, we do not get too much

into these matters about specific persons/organization*. Each individual

has to come to a conclusion based on what they know and learn whatever is

necessary to come to this conclusion.

 

But this is an important issue and most of us face this in some context or

other.

What one should do when they hear a criticism about a Saint or an

organization. First and foremost is how it affects your sAdhana? Second does

it lead you away or stop you from following your sadhana and third, does it

run contrary to your value system. You analyze and come to a conclusion to

based on these and similar questions. Ultimately it is a personal

decision, but one can be as objective as one wants to be.

 

 

Having said that, at a personal level, I do not know much about Sri

karuNaamayI and I know Sri Ammachi for over 11 years and each year we go to

Dallas to spend two days when ammachi is around. I have been blessed and

benefited by this association; and I have implicit trust in her. I am not

too much concerned about the claims and counter-claims about Ammachi's

divinity, even though I get carried away sometimes. To me she is a symbol of

love and that is enough. I am not formally initiated by her and I do not

also see a need. I have learnt few vital lessons from her, and they help me

immensely. Also Ammachi or anybody else have not stopped me from following

my dharma or led me away from it. If I am not following and if I am

committing errors, it is my own making.

 

I have received unprintable e-mails about her and other saints. I have read

them, considered them, and as always discarded them to trash can as I saw no

value in them.

 

 

Ravi

 

* We made an exception with Kanchi maTha controversy, which happened

recently.

 

 

On 9/25/07, adi_shakthi16 < adi_shakthi16 wrote:

>

> Respected Ambaal devotees :

>

> As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great

> LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include

> Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from

> Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment

> but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized

> saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their

> intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you

> might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of

> Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana

> Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the

> Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she

> visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a

> special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work

> Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance .

>

> now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate

> Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should

> we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of

> Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of

> criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to

> Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is

> instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE

> INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ?

>

> Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii

> Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha !

>

> Please educate me on this .

>

> thanks

>

> OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA !

>

> _

>

 

 

 

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Shri Gurubhyo Namay.

 

As Saadhakas, we should attempt not to criticise others.

 

It is a difficult path, and I am personally also guilty of criticizing others,

sometimes even frivolously.

 

However, more often than not, I make a conscious effort to see good in others.

 

At these times, I try to remind myself how many times I have seen really great

people criticizing others.

I have never seen any of the three Jagadgurus at the Kanchi matham or my Guruji

criticising others.

 

Shri Maathre Namah.

KR.

 

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adi_shakthi16

Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:35 AM

A question ?

 

 

Respected Ambaal devotees :

 

As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great

LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include

Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from

Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment

but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized

saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their

intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you

might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of

Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana

Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the

Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she

visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a

special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work

Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance .

 

now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate

Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should

we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of

Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of

criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to

Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is

instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE

INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ?

 

Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii

Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha !

 

Please educate me on this .

 

thanks

 

OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA !

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Divine,

 

Everyone has got the right to criticise because they have no spiritual

experience of that person about whom he is criticising. Every saint,

whatever be their calibre, is sent by nature to transmit the divine energy

to every one at their level so that the person receiving the transmission of

the divine energy is taken to the next level, to make him know that he is

God.

For instance the sun has several kalas - energy - and they are showered for

each one to receive whatever energy they want.

However in sakthi upasana some rules have been laid down and no saint will

bypass these, for the simple reason they have come down to establish

sanathana dharma and to help people in all respects.

Forget about criticism and tread the path you are shown. if you find by

sitting by any saint you feel the calmness and divine vibrations, accept

them and proceed further.

Regards,

S.SHANGARANARAYANAN

 

 

> " adi_shakthi16 " <adi_shakthi16

>

>

> A question ?

>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:35:28 -0000

>

>Respected Ambaal devotees :

>

>As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great

>LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include

>Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from

>Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment

>but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized

>saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their

>intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you

>might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of

>Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana

>Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the

>Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she

>visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a

>special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work

>Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance .

>

>now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate

>Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should

>we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of

>Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of

>criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to

>Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is

>instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE

>INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ?

>

>Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii

>Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha !

>

>Please educate me on this .

>

>thanks

>

>OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA !

>

 

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Shrimaan Raviji :

 

Namaste! i am really delighted to read your response to my question.

 

i fully resonate with the words in this para of yout well thought out

message

 

(I have been blessed and benefited by this association; and I have

implicit trust in her. I am not too much concerned about the claims

and counter-claims about Ammachi's divinity, even though I get

carried away sometimes. To me she is a symbol of love and that is

enough.)

 

Thanx ! This is the 'informed' opinion of many devi . Amma's divine

prsence always make me think of the higher love ( i.e Love for the

Divine ). She is mother Kamakshi herself - her eyes are full of love

for the divine in all of us.

 

As far as Kanchi Matha controversy was concerned, that was poltically

motivated . Paramacharya comes from the great Adi shankara bhagvadpada

lineage and he is my family guru also on my dad's side. Can the

Luminosity of the sun be affected by some dark clouds ? Look what

happened to the woman who sent the swamigal to jail? She has

disappeared in the sands of time.

 

..

Ammachi, sri Ramakrishna paramahamsa etc are great souls and those who

indulge in maligning these great souls are not 'fit' to call

themselves Shaktas.

 

thank you , once again

 

Salutations to the divine mother residing in all of us!

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Namasthe.

 

During the time of Maha Swamy a registered parcel containing 30 books was

received by the Mutt and the manager became furious after reading the contents

of the book and he came running fumingly to show the contents of the parcel to

H.H.

 

This was the time of unholy rivalry between the devotees of Sringeri Mutt and

Sri Mutt though both the HH of these two mutts were indifferent to these petty

issues.( through various incidents which is unnecssary to quote now )

 

Maha Swamy after going through the book which contained extreme comments in

print form by a learned and well known scholar of Sringeri Mutt, on the origins

of sri mutt and the history of adi sankara. HH calmed the Manager and smilingly

instructed the manager to send money order to the author towards the Order of

another 50 books, which was carried out promptly. When these books arrived ,

these along with the earlier 30 copies were distributed freely to the devotees

visiting Sri Mutt on instructions by HH.

 

Thereafter Maha Swamy remarked that he would be more than satisfied to have a

single informed devotee ,if after digesting the contents of this book. turns

back to the mutt.

 

Similarly when another HH of sri mutt was put to extreme hardships in the

recent past by an earlier CM of tamil nadu, HH refrained from criticising and

simply said that it was purely a matter between the CM and himself.

 

These are the real Jagath Gurus who set an example of Dharmic behaviour and We

should try to emulate them.

 

regards

ganapathy

 

Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote:

Shri Gurubhyo Namay.

 

 

I have never seen any of the three Jagadgurus at the Kanchi matham or my Guruji

criticising others.

 

Shri Maathre Namah.

KR.

 

----

 

OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA !

 

 

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>

> " As you

> might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of

> Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana

> Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the

> Divine Mother "

 

 

I have been a devotee of Bhagavan Ramana for so long and I have never of

the above. This is like some enthusiastic Gnanananda devotees saying that

Gnanananda is Ramana's Guru!

 

 

On 9/25/07, adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote:

>

> Respected Ambaal devotees :

>

> As you know from time to time , i go and have 'darshan' of great

> LIVING SAINTS who visit U.S.A from India .Such women saints include

> Ammachi ( mata amritanandamayi) from Kerala and Karunamayi from

> Andhra pradesh. The idea is not so much to get instant enlightenment

> but to Listen to the spiritual discourses of these self-realized

> saints and at learn 'something' about Devi Upasana from their

> intuitive understanding of shrutis , smrithis and puranas. As you

> might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of

> Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana

> Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the

> Divine MotherSimilarly, when i meet Ammachi every year when she

> visits Washington dc , i am eveloped by 'daivi shakti' ! I have a

> special corner in my heart also for the great Philantropic work

> Ammach does worldwide ! She is a karma yogi par excellance .

>

> now the big question Should we as 'ambaal' devotees appreciate

> Ammachi for her great Saintly qualities of head and heart or should

> we go about criticizing Ammach's organization for their many sins of

> Omission and commission ? Recently , i was appalled to read a lot of

> criticism on Amaachi's organization in a dedicated to

> Devi worship and this sent a dagger through my heart? i know is

> instititionalized these days but is not a Saint BIGGER THAN THE

> INSTITUTION HE/SHE belong to ?

>

> Yaa DEVI SARVA BHUTESHU 'bhranti' rupena sanstitha ! Namastasyaii

> Namastasyaii , om om Namo Namaha !

>

> Please educate me on this .

>

> thanks

>

> OM SRI MATRE nAMAHA !

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Respected Ambesivan :

 

I am not a devotee of Mother Karunamayi but i have had 'Darshan' of

Her many times when She visited washington dc during the last few

years. Like Mata Amritanandamayi , she has a large following in the

U.S.A .

 

BTW, i am a devotee of Shri Ramana maharishi and i have read on more

than one web site the following information : PL READ FOR YOURSELF .

 

" Before her birth in 1958, the great modern saint Ramana Maharshi

broke his usual silence to tell Karunamayi's mother, a humble

devotee of his, that she would give birth to the Divine Mother. "

 

k http://fourcornersmagazine.com/ISSUES/APRIL_MAY06/PDF/FC5.

 

The same fact is also mentioned in other web sites also .

 

http://www.americanhindu.net/NL_May2005.asp

http://www.yogachicago.com/jul02/karunamayi.shtml

 

Anbu sivan-ji, i have no reason to disbelieve this because this was

mentioned in the spiritual retreat ALSO i attended while Mother

Kayunamayi visited DC few years ago . wHY WOULD As Ravi has so

beautifully explained in his post when i have darshan of Such Holy

mothers , all i can feel is an enveloping sense of Love and

Compassion. The fact that Sri Ramana maharishi predicted about

Mother Karunamayi's 'descent' on Earth only makes it even more

significant beacause that makes Mother Karunamayi even

more 'divine ' in my eyes . For all ambaal devotees , all women are

incarnations of the Divine mother!

 

VIDYAH SAMASTAH TAVA DEVI BHEDDAH

STRIYAH SAMASTAH SAKALA JAGATSU

 

O DEVI ! ALL TYPES OF KNOWLEDGE ARE THINE OWN DIVINE

FORMS, ALL WOMEN ALSO IN THE WORLD ARE THY DIVINE

MANIFESTATIONS.

 

PS: i really liked shrimaan's ravi's 'take ' on the subject of

Ammachi and Sri Ganapathi's post on Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal! How

delightful to be in the midst of such satsanghis.

 

Om Sri Matre Namaha !

 

 

 

, " Anbu sivam2 " <anbesivam2 wrote:

>

> >

> > " As you

> > might know , Shri Ramana maharishi predicted before the birth of

> > Karnumayi Before Karunamayi's birth, the great saint Ramana

> > Maharshi told karunamayi's mother she would give birth to the

> > Divine Mother "

>

>

> I have been a devotee of Bhagavan Ramana for so long and I have

never of

> the above. This is like some enthusiastic Gnanananda devotees

saying that

> Gnanananda is Ramana's Guru!

>

>

> On 9/25/07, adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote:

> >

> >

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