Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Whenever some body mentions pratya~Ngira in forums, it always seems to generate some heat and sort of get into a debate. I saw the same happen in two more forums. :-)) , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: >The growth of temples for such deities and god heads and their >popularity in the >past 25 years or so is phenomenal. My personal belief is that as a >society we >are regressing spiritually and the current fabric resembles the one >that Adi Sankara was born into with the kapalikas and prayoga >vadis; back to square one essentially! 1) You seem to take the shankara vijayam-s too seriously. 2) kApAlika-s are not evil people. They are shiva/bhairava upAsaka-s and it is not good to portray them like above. Most people get their info about kApAlika-s from works which are like fairy tales or somewhat respectable works which at some points contain elements akin to these fairy tales. If one doesnt like their ways they should simply stop talking about them. 3) Regression: Whatever this regression is, is it correct to attribute it to worship of not so popular devata-s? 4) The shankara vijayam-s talk about Adi Shankara and padmapAda worshipping bagala, vanadurga etc. Most people who want to worship or know about pratya~Ngira want to do so with a selfish intent thinking they would be able to punish their enemies, or thinking it will solve their domestic problems without any other effort etc etc after seeing advertisements in magazines and websites. Good Luck to them! Hopefully they dont find their way to mental hospitals. However there may be some who do not fall into this category. One's teacher@@ will determine the competency and requirement and give mantra-s accordingly. @@ Teacher: x, y ,z Gurujis who profusely advertise on the internet that they are setting up a mass dIkSha shibir etc or giving sadhana details in a mantr magazine or a tantr magazine or photographic dIkSha-s(haha)dont qualify as teachers. sa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thats why I did not post it there . More the mystery created around her more will be the number of people getting interested. And I think the interest would also be short lived. I think even those quick results actually are not that quick. It sounds like a marketing strategy. Regards Sumanta , " Satish " <satisharigela wrote: > > Whenever some body mentions pratya~Ngira in forums, it always seems > to generate some heat and sort of get into a debate. I saw the same > happen in two more forums. :-)) > > , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy > <krishvishy@> wrote: > >The growth of temples for such deities and god heads and their > >popularity in the > >past 25 years or so is phenomenal. My personal belief is that as a > >society we > >are regressing spiritually and the current fabric resembles the one > >that Adi Sankara was born into with the kapalikas and prayoga > >vadis; back to square one essentially! > > 1) You seem to take the shankara vijayam-s too seriously. > 2) kApAlika-s are not evil people. They are shiva/bhairava upAsaka-s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Dear Dear Divine Brother, Perhaps you are aware that I am the one who had published the Prathyinkira vidhanam in sanskrit and tamil for the first time, which is perhaps followed by every one. God is simple and the way to reach Her should also be simple. People doing prayogam for the sake of money is winding a cobweb around them and it will be very difficult for them to come out. All the devatas are not meant to punish or spoil any one and according to me I have not come across any reference where homam with chillies is recommended for Prathyinkira. wORSHIPPING PRATHYINKIRA IS FOR THE ELEVATION OF THE SOUL TO COME OUT OF THE SAMSKARAS, COMPLEXITIES, ETC., AND IT IS SOUL RELATED AND NOT BODY AND MIND. PRAYOGAM ON THE OTHER HAND IS RELATED TO BODY AND MIND AND UNLESS THE ROOT CAUSE IS REMOVED ANY AMOUNT OF PRAYOGAM WILL RESULT IN NO RELIEF WHATSOEVER. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO DO PRATHYINKIRA UPASANA AND HOMAM BUT IN DOOLDRUMS. When one worships the superior mother, who is nothing but compassion and extending her blessing to the most needy, it is hard to believe that she will have her warriors whose job is to punish and destroy. Further idol worship builds grossness and the upasaka becomes stone hearted without any compassion and consideration for others. They do not see the ideal. Most of the people who build big statues of any Hindu god or goddess they are only building grossness around them. None is interested to achieve the divine energy and to care and share their divine energy with others for the total human welfare. i know prathyinkira upasakas who beat their wife. When one cannot his sakthi as divine they cannot be upasakas of the devi. Anyway God help them and no body is going to hear however much we may shout from the bottom of our heart to understand the Divine and have her instead of begging her through such offerings. Regards, S.SHANARANARAYANAN : satisharigela: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:09:15 +0000 pratya~Ngira Whenever some body mentions pratya~Ngira in forums, it always seems to generate some heat and sort of get into a debate. I saw the same happen in two more forums. :-)) , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy<krishvishy wrote:>The growth of temples for such deities and god heads and their >popularity in the>past 25 years or so is phenomenal. My personal belief is that as a >society we>are regressing spiritually and the current fabric resembles the one >that Adi Sankara was born into with the kapalikas and prayoga >vadis; back to square one essentially!1) You seem to take the shankara vijayam-s too seriously.2) kApAlika-s are not evil people. They are shiva/bhairava upAsaka-s and it is not good to portray them like above. Most people get their info about kApAlika-s from works which are like fairy tales or somewhat respectable works which at some points contain elements akin to these fairy tales. If one doesnt like their ways they should simply stop talking about them.3) Regression: Whatever this regression is, is it correct to attribute it to worship of not so popular devata-s?4) The shankara vijayam-s talk about Adi Shankara and padmapAda worshipping bagala, vanadurga etc.Most people who want to worship or know about pratya~Ngira want to do so with a selfish intent thinking they would be able to punish their enemies, or thinking it will solve their domestic problems without any other effort etc etc after seeing advertisements in magazines and websites. Good Luck to them! Hopefully they dont find their way to mental hospitals. However there may be some who do not fall into this category. One's teacher@@ will determine the competency and requirement and give mantra-s accordingly.@@ Teacher: x, y ,z Gurujis who profusely advertise on the internet that they are setting up a mass dIkSha shibir etc or giving sadhana details in a mantr magazine or a tantr magazine or photographic dIkSha-s(haha)dont qualify as teachers. sa. _______________ Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially released yet. http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dear Sumanth Pranams to you. Quite a lot of learned members have given their views that if you are not " ready " and " competent " , you should not be taking up the prayoghas or even the upAsana on the Ammavaru in the pratya~Ngira form. Everyone seems to be saying that this is a roller coaster and so tread with caution. Perhaps you may want to tell the group whether you want to take up the upAsana or the pragoga marga, so that the discussions/directions can be more focused. From my little experience, initially when members of this group used to say, " donot do something unless you are initiated / or you are told by your guru to do or not do things " , i used to feel that it is someway of restricting one's freedom to do pooja/ ArAdhana the way you feel to your priya/ishTa devatha. But with what ever little bit of small nithya pooja I do, nowadays i see the reasons for these. The manthras that we chant - hopefully you are among the few gifted ones who are initiated into the pratya~Ngira manthra- are so very powerful, we simply cannot gauge at what levels the purification happens in us. To what levels of our mind, body and energy levels that manthras go,to make us in tune with the energy of the manthra and the ammavAru associated with that. Simple things like what you offer in your pooja - tulasi, for example- to ammavAru have made changes in the way the mind behaves. These can be experienced. Like a learned member told in this group, Atma is the sAkshi for these things and the effects it has on you. You know best how you are changing with the manthra. And when you ready for what you need, the grace will simply come to you , either thru the Guru or from your own experience, in case you are tuned to the Guru inside you. SHE WILL direct that. IMHO,finally, if you want to practise these prayogas or upAsanAs, go ahead and do it. And be a witness to what happens to you. Why go from " hear-say " ? But be ready for those things that will come your way because of such powerful prayogas. They give you immense power and ask for a price. As long as you are ready to pay that price, and really understand that you have to do these right in this janmA, go ahead and do it. In any which way, there is always another birth, in case we dont succeed to merge with Her. As is obvious, I am not erudite or high in swAbhimAnam like the other members of the group. May be what I have told is too " common sense " ical " a view to be a fitting discussion in a forum like this. but still this is my real 2c. praNAms to Her to be with you. Gopi _________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Namaste Why spend time and energy on prayogas ? I am content with what I have been given, at least the materialistic part. Regards Sumanta , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: > > Dear Sumanth > > Pranams to you. Quite a lot of learned members have given their views that if you are not " ready " and " competent " , you should not be taking up the prayoghas or even the upAsana on the Ammavaru in the pratya~Ngira form. Everyone seems to be saying that this is a roller coaster and so tread with caution. Perhaps you may want to tell the group whether you want to take up the upAsana or the pragoga marga, so that the discussions/directions can be more focused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I apologize in advance for sounding like a school teacher in this message. Ignorance of Shastras seems to be normative but at least spelling can be proper. We can use common English transliteration like Devi, Mantra, etc for simplicity, but the spelling " Prathyinkira " is just terrible. Shastras are in Devabhasha and it is always worth the effort to study the language if one wants to do Prayoga or recite Lalita Sahasranama or anything else. BTW On this list we earlier had discussion on Pratyangira and one can go back an refer to it. I think Harshanandanatha also has some excellent clarifications on his website from Shrividya viewpoint. But it might be in order to say that many of the sweeping statements made here about Pratyangira the are not generally valid. It is because many people do not understand basic Devabhasha that learned Gurus ask people not to dabble with Shastra-s. That is why they say historic Acharyas like Shankara have composed simple stotras for people to use. When I was in Australia I saw an icon of Pratyangira in a museum from 800 years back smuggled from a decrepit temple in South India. So Pratyangira icons were available to public viewing and Pujas for a long time even in South India. Leave alone Nepal etc. cheers, RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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