Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Dear devotees of Ambaal, One of the forum members approached me for an advice in Mantra Anushtana. Well, I am no great person to give advices on the dais and neither am I a guru to give initiations. But yes, one thing I would like to caution and here is a small piece of advise who would like to take up anushtana. Upaasana is the constant reflection, steady and unbroken flow of thought, meditation on the “Chit Agni” which is of the form of “Aham Sphurana” (the throb / awareness of I-ness) at Dahara Akasa (Subtle Space) in Hridaya Guha (Heart Cave). From this Hridaya Guha, the Nada in the form of Mantras emanate. The objective of the mantra upasana is to go to this original source and abide in Hridaya Guha (Heart Cave). Just as Hridaya Akasa in Dahara Padma in the Pindanda rupa Jiva, the Solar Orbit in the vast expanse of the Sky is the Hridaya Padma of Brahmanda rupa Paramatma. The Parama Jyoti (Chit Agni) in the Dahara Akasa of Jiva is Analogous to the Supreme Purusha (Parama Jyothi in the Aditya Mandala) shining amidst the Sun (Solar Orbit). There are two forms of Upasanas. One is Dahara Upasana and other is Akshi Purusha Upasana. In the first method, this Parama Jyothi / Agni / Savita in Solar Orbit has to be meditated as Parama Purusha in the form of Jyothi (Angushta Pramana Purusha) in Dahara Akasa (Subtle Space in the Heart). Mind gets dissolved in the Hridaya in this Upasana. This is Mano laya. In the second method, this same Parama Purusha / Agni has to be meditated in the middle of the black iris of the right eye. This is Akshi Purusha Upasana. The object that is perceived (Drk), Perception (Drshya) gets merged in Drshta (Perceiver). This Drshta stands as Sakshi Bhava. Only the Perceiver remains as Onlooker as Triputi Bhedana is achieved. Gayatri Mantra is meditated in these 2 ways depending upon the tastes of the upasaka. The Gayatri Upasaka is capable of achieving this Triputi Bhedana and Mano Laya. Instead of running for mantras like Pratyangira, and other deities which need higher levels of energies to withstand the negative as well positive repercussions, meditate on this simple, easily accessible, harmless Gayatri Mantra which is Iha and Para Saukhya Dayini. I would like to cite an example of the wife of my gurunatha smt. Varalakshmi. She was a simpleton, uneducated lady married to my gurunatha Sri Sita Rama Anjaneya Sastry, who himself was a srividya upasaka. My gurupatni once approached Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal asked for mantra initiation. Swamigal smiled as said that you being wife of srividya upasaka are asking me and directed my gurunatha to initiate in Dakshinamurthy Stotra (Vishwam Darpana ……….) of Sankara Bhagavatpada. My gurunatha initiated his wife with this stotra at Kalavai near Kanchi. Smt. Varalakshmi (my gurupatni) started the parayana of that stotra since then till her last breath. With her gurubakti towards Paramacharya and Pathi Bhakti towards her husband, she had attained to such higher levels of upasana that she used to have darshan of this Parama Jyothi in the Right Side of her eye which was the Akshi Purusha Upasana. On Pushya Bahula Chavati of year 2007, she chanted Dakshinamurthy Stotra 11 times. On the Pushya Bahula Panchami, the day of the Aradhana Utsava of Tyagabrahmendra Saraswathi, having seen this parama pursha in her Hridaya Guha, she dissolved her mind and attained the lotus feet of Tripurasundari. She shed her mortal coil as Sumangali and achieved Mano Laya Yoga. What more royal form of death we want? Smt. Varalakshmi used to very lovingly address me as Ramu. She used to say that Meditate on Gayatri and Chant Krishna Nama. Her chosen deity was Bala Krishna as a Chubby Bluish Mischievous Gopa Kumara of Brindavana with dusty feet, twinkling anklets, half-eaten buttery mouth. Irritated mother Yashoda running after this mischievous lad of Brindavana. When caught, pleading his mother of innocence along with Balarama. Oh! Such a wonderful Krishna leelas. Tears used to trickle down from her eyes when she chants Krishna Karanamruta. Dear devotees, one should have this Kavi Hridaya (Poetic Heart) before undertaking any upasana. One should step into the shoes of the Mantra Drashta and feel his pulse. This is upasana. One should know the Rishi Hridaya – the pulse and spirit of the Rishi. The entire vedic literature and mantra shastra is a wonderful form of poetry and its lord is Poet of Poets – He is Kavinaam Kavim….All the devatas are wonderful characters in this beautiful poem. Parayana of Saudaryalahari and Sivanandalahari would work wonders. The only kilaka or the knot or twist is that feel the pulse of Sankara Bhagavatpada. Then you will exclaim in ecstasy as John Keats says “A thing of Beauty is Joy for ever”. This beauty which Keats says in Saundaryalahari. William Wordsworth says “My Heart leapt when I beheld the Rainbow”. This bliss or ecstasy of Wordsworth is Sivanandalahari. With regards, Sriram Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Namaste, On 06/02/2008, venkata sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: <<My gurupatni once approached Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal asked for mantra initiation. Swamigal smiled as said that you being wife of srividya upasaka are asking me and directed my gurunatha to initiate in Dakshinamurthy Stotra (Vishwam Darpana ……….) of Sankara Bhagavatpada. My gurunatha initiated his wife with this stotra at Kalavai near Kanchi.>> Yet another excellent article by Sri Venkata Sriram. The above portion, however, is a little confusing. Does Dakshinamurthy stotra parayana require initiation? Is it mantra-shastra? What is its relation to Srividya upasana? Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Dear Ramesh, This dakshinamurthy stotra was composed by shankara bhagavatpada which is the gist of entire advaita vedanta. The 8 stanzas contain entire relationship between the Jiva, Ishwara and Jagat. To be simple and precise, this entire universe is unreal (Mithya) just a projection of one's ignorance which is being reflected in one's mind. We enjoy a beautiful dream which seems real when we are in the dream state (swapna avastha). But when we wake up (Jagrat Avastha), this entire dream which we enjoyed in our sleep is gone. So is this Universe which is like a dream for Guru rupa Dakshinamurty. For Dakshinamurthy, who is in his swa-swarupa (nija swarupa), this Jagat is like a dream which is unreal. Now, this Dakshinamurthy rupa Ishwara with his own power of Maya creates this universe (this creation is also unreal for Jnanis) and with his own 5 barriers (5 kanchukas) become the Jiva ie., Siva has become Jiva. The basic difference between siva and jiva is the maya is in the control of siva whereas jiva is in the control of maya with his own limitations. Now, the job of jiva is to hold the feet of guru rupa dakshinamurthy who initiates the jiva the mantra " Tat Tvam Asi " which means " You are That " . Here, You is Jiva and That is Siva. The Jiva having done the upasana, meditation and reflection at the feet of one's Gurunatha who hails from the traditional lineage (Guru Parampara) this Mantra attains the Siva rupa Dakshinamurthy. So, this Jiva again becomes Siva. Ishvara is Dakshinamurthy. One's own guru is also Dakshinamurthy. This Jiva is also Dakshinamurthy. In this state, only one state shines as Akhanda Ananda Paripoorna Swarupa Sthithi. Non-objective State of Bliss. This is also Dakshinamurthy. This is Advaita. This is the essence of Srividya. Now, this Dakshinamurthy is the Adi Guru of Srividya for Dakshinachara and Samayachara. This Dakshinamurthy is the presiding Amnaya Devata of Sringeri Sarada Pita. All the acharyas right from Gaudapada, Govindabhagavatpada, Sankara, down to present acharya Bharati Teertha are the aspects of this Dakshinamurthy. Now, to chant this dakshinamurthy stotra one does not need any initiation. Anybody from any walk of life can chant this stotra. As, i have already mentioned, one should feel the pulse of sankara and rishi hridaya, so one does not require any upadesas for this stotra. With regards, sriram. Ramesh Krishnamurthy <rkmurthy wrote: Namaste, On 06/02/2008, venkata sriram wrote: <initiation. Swamigal smiled as said that you being wife of srividya upasaka are asking me and directed my gurunatha to initiate in Dakshinamurthy Stotra (Vishwam Darpana ……….) of Sankara Bhagavatpada. My gurunatha initiated his wife with this stotra at Kalavai near Kanchi.>> Yet another excellent article by Sri Venkata Sriram. The above portion, however, is a little confusing. Does Dakshinamurthy stotra parayana require initiation? Is it mantra-shastra? What is its relation to Srividya upasana? Ramesh -- pradiipa-jvaalaabhir-divasakara-niiraajana-vidhiH sudhaasuutesh-candropala-jalalavair-arghya-racanaa . svakiiyair-ambhobhiH salila-nidhi-sauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhir-vaagbhis-tava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h Web Page: http://www.ambaa.org/ Support: help Preferred Transliteration: http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/ Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Dear Sri Venkata Sriram, Thanks very much for your response. I have some level of familiarity with the Advaita-Vedanta darshana and am well aware of the importance of the Dakshinamurthy Stotra in this tradition. I have with me a 2-volume study on the Dakshinamurthy Stotra by DS Subbaramiah (based on the Manasollasa of Suresvaracharya and the Tattvasudha of Svayamprakasa Muni), which I am reading gradually one topic at a time (it is a very tough work and am rarely able to concentrate for more than 30 min on it at a time). I agree entirely that the stotra embodies the highest teachings of Advaita. My question was in the following context. You had written that: 1. Smt Varalakshmi approached Mahaperiyavaal for *mantra diksha* 2. The Periyavaal asked her husband to *initiate* her into the Dakshinamurthy stotra I was only wondering whether there is such a thing as initiation for the Dakshinamurthy stotra at all, and whether parayana of Dakshinamurthy stotra can be a substitute for mantra-based upasana (which requires initiation). SrI gurubhyo namaH Ramesh On 07/02/2008, venkata sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > This dakshinamurthy stotra was composed by shankara bhagavatpada which is the gist of entire advaita vedanta. The 8 stanzas contain entire relationship between the Jiva, Ishwara and Jagat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 namaste > Yet another excellent article by Sri Venkata Sriram. The above > portion, however, is a little confusing. Does Dakshinamurthy stotra > parayana require initiation? Is it mantra-shastra? What is its > relation to Srividya upasana? > There is a 2-volume set on Dakshinamurthy Stotram by D.S.Subbaramaiya, published in Sringeri. It is a gem, but is impossible to procure these days. In this book, the stotra is described as the very essence of vedanta. A couple of very terse excerpts: The opening stanza points out that the world is to be traced to adhyAsa which in turn is to be traced to Maya or avidya which is dispelled by direction realisation. For this vicArA into the nature of Brahman is to be undertaken. This is as per the sUtra -- athAto brahmajigyAsA. The second stanza points out the origin of the space-time-universe is to be traced to mAyAshakti associated with Brahman, which is in accordance with the sUtra janmAdyasya yataH. Also, Brahman is known only through the SrutipramAnA as is clear from the expression sAkShAt vedavacasA in the third stanza. This is in conformity with the sUtrA shAstrayonitvAt . . . The first three stanzas thus carry the import of the samanvayAdhyAyA of the vedAntashAstra. So, in this view, Dakshinamurty stotra is brahmopadesha itself. bhavadIyaH, ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 , " Ramesh Krishnamurthy " <rkmurthy wrote: > 2. The Periyavaal asked her husband to *initiate* her into the > Dakshinamurthy stotra While Sriram will apparently clarify these things, here are a few thoughts. People also talk of initiation into the study of gIta, brahma sUtra bhAShya etc. Probably it is in this sense the word initiation is being used? > I was only wondering whether there is such a thing as initiation for > the Dakshinamurthy stotra at all, and whether parayana of > Dakshinamurthy stotra can be a substitute for mantra-based upasana > (which requires initiation). IMO, whether the parayana of this stotra is a substitute for mantra based upasana will depend on what the individual wants. Like for example, approaching the teacher for moksha, for something else etc. Regards sa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Shri Gurubhyo Namah. Friends: When Periyaval (or a Guru) says to do something, It will grant the same boons as a formal Mantra that traditionally requires initiation. I have heard, through second hand, the following story. Maha periyaval had a few people in the Matham whom he would periodically ask to perform certain japams. One such person, it seems, had a rope tied to the ceiling, so that he could get up after performing these japams, because of lack of circulation in the feet due to prolonged lotus posture. People used to come to Maha periyaval for various prayers with people in various stages of diseases, and he used to ask specific persons to perform specific japams for the cure. Once, one of these persons, upon hearing that someone was ill, and recognizing that Maha periyaval had prescribed certain japams in prior cases, volunteered to do the same (but without Maha periyavals saying so). Needless to say, the japam was not fruitful. So, in this context, I would like to say that the stotrams had become like an initiation given by the Guru. I have heard of similar situations where Gurus have asked Shishyas to repeat Aaditya Hridayam and so on, to the benefit of the Shishya. While the stotrams may not traditionally require initiation, it can definitely become a " mantra " through " initiation " , when specifically given by the Guru. The point is that the Guru's word is a critical link in this equation. " AvyaajaKarunaamoorthirAgnyaanaDhvaanthaDeepika " . This is the nature of Guru Vachanam. Shri Maathre Namah. Thanks and Regards. KR. - Satish Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:16 AM Re: Regarding Mantra Anushtanas and Upasana , " Ramesh Krishnamurthy " <rkmurthy wrote: > 2. The Periyavaal asked her husband to *initiate* her into the > Dakshinamurthy stotra While Sriram will apparently clarify these things, here are a few thoughts. People also talk of initiation into the study of gIta, brahma sUtra bhAShya etc. Probably it is in this sense the word initiation is being used? > I was only wondering whether there is such a thing as initiation for > the Dakshinamurthy stotra at all, and whether parayana of > Dakshinamurthy stotra can be a substitute for mantra-based upasana > (which requires initiation). IMO, whether the parayana of this stotra is a substitute for mantra based upasana will depend on what the individual wants. Like for example, approaching the teacher for moksha, for something else etc. Regards sa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Dear Divine, When a srividhya upasaka is given poorna diksha and sarva mantra athikaro bhaveth, he is qualified to initiate anyone into any mantra and he can even coin new mantras as it comes to his mind. Peeta athikaram is something which is equal to the peeta occupied by great saints and matathipathis in so far as it relates to qualifying to chant or initiate any mantra, as the guru of that peeta would have bestowed upon the disciple. Stotras are not falling under the category of initiation of any mantra, as the bija of any mantra is the core life of that particular devata. Anyway if any one asks some one to chant a stotra it might be as a parihara for something to ward off or to bestow upon the individual, and there is nothing wrong in that individual following the instructions. S.SHANGARANARAYANAN http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=220 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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