Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 [Moderator Note: Some Islamic references were edited.] Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part, short about Three Lingas Three main Lingas we have. 1. First is material form which usually call Linga. Shiva, Kriya, and Ishta is older names for this outside or material form. We have and few parts of one very holy Linga in Kaaba which have and next two deeper forms)! Today have many cults which haven't real knowledge about inner form and way for enter in process bhakti, jnana, dhyana - and have only parts of this knowledge because usually make only puja. Inside each regular Kriya/Ishta linga is Shiva linga. Kriya/Ishta Linga present form of awaking conciousness which is feeling conciousness (bhakti, pure love, first devotional state, dominant kriya shakti - any action God is love) and have and deeper level conciousness inside as willing conciousness (dominant icha shakti, love have exact real direction, or life, quality, quantity, intention,..). 2. Next and inner form of linga is Pranalinga. This is Linga from inner light. Saints from old time teach people about form Linga because this great souls see " Divine soul in Linga " . Divine Soul has divine aura which is exact form linga. Position of Soul which old saint see (in aura) is form Shiva Linga. Now we have two forms in one. Outside is like sharp ball on the water (sphere which haven't part in down), and inside is form body in position watching Linga on the left palm. Shivalinga is symbolic form: part sphere form is only symbolic form of head (haven't nothing with phallus), middle form of Shivalinga is symbolic form of left palm and higher part of body from heart/navel to neck (haven't nothing with vulva) and on palm is subtle/invisible Linga, lower part of Shivalinga is symbolic form of lower part of body from navel to legs. Pranalinga present form of sleeping conciousness which is cognition conciousness (third devotional or bhakti state, where is dominant jnana shakti - any direct knowing is God love) and have and deeper level conciousness inside as intuition conciousness. This is point reflection conciousness on the lower states or enter in higher form (execution) conciousness which is only base reflection of intuition conciousness. 3. Deepest form Linga is Mahalinga. This is very high dynamic form, with very high speed rotations and quietness (of extremely higher forms inner lights and inner sounds which is incorporate simultaneously), and all this is complete beyond mind. Very difficult find any reasonable words for intellect. Much deepest and complexes forms than in illusion when we look car which go in one direction, but all time wheels go on opposite direction. Here all forms have source or there is real place for resolve all illusions and then direct see God (or enter in complete conciousness). This extreme rotations have outside form Linga (sphere without lower part). There where all (para, chit, ananda, jnana, icha and kriya) shaktis deepest with Shiva, became completed in One Conciousness or enter in reflection as lower conciousness. This conciousness can abide as one conciousness on lower level as Pranalinga or as conciousness which reflected as thought in mind and intellect (or became omitted, or limited conciousness) which present as all outside forms of pranalinga. Mahalinga present form of deep sleeping conciousness which is execution conciousness (fifth devotional or bhakti state) and have and deeper level conciousness inside as union conciousness (sixth devotional or bhakti state) when haven't separation in conciousness. Because each of this three Lingas have two Lingas, exactly we have 6 Lingas*** or 6 levels conciousness or conciousness and five reflections. Now is open: not any creation all is only reflection, all is one conciousness, or all is One! Real teachings is only part of this! This is and real meaning in doctrines hexagram, pentagram, and six days creation,.. Next facts Shape of outside Linga is like shape inside Lingas which is from lights. This Linga's shape is open only through inner experiences. When real saint call God, or better say make proper invocation to sanctify shape Linga (which made in one stone), and when properly make sanctify one small part of conciousness enter in stone, and stone became sacred. Of course and today many try make Linga, but result is very different from this what will be necessary. <Snipped> Original colour Linga is white in Gold / Krita Yuga, but today is black because in last period is Kali Yuga! This black colour is originate and with colour pigment in pineal gland, which exact deep indigo colour (very close black). Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very probably lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody can't enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God. When we accept deepest form which higher then any intellectual efforts, and we for this have all time direct highest God's form or Linga! This way is only intuitional way or through open heart (consciously way). Form developed pineal gland is form Linga, now pineal gland is in rudiment state, through psychic development pineal gland became active and in bigger form like small linga (sweet cherry size). Old syntagmas Philosophy Stone, Elixir Immortality is linga of course: linga outside, pineal gland inside body, or better say linga on all and deeper levels! One span in front (where finish magnetic's part of aura) of forehead is lens pineal gland, for helping in develop this lens we must put in same place linga which must be full initiate for this praxis. Pineal gland have and cells very like one type cells in eyes, or better say we can through pineal gland see one part of vibration. This is sixth sense or Intuition Eye, Third Eye (have many names in traditions). Dear seeker truth, thanks for reading and asking, we continue.. I hope, after this few words you can find better meaning of Linga (or sacred stones with this shape). *** Six Bhaktis through: Six Lingas---------------Six Angas-------------- Six Bhaktis Acaralinga ------------- Bhakta ---------------- Srddhabhakti Gurulinga -------------- Mahesa --------------- Nisthabhakti Sivalinga --------------- Prasadi --------------- Avadhanabhakti Jangamalinga --------- Pranalingi ------------ Anubhavabhakti Prasadalinga ---------- Sharana -------------- Anandabhakti Mahalinga -------------- Aikya ----------------- Samarasabhakti This is part of old teaching which we today call Shivayoga as perfect Bhakti Yoga - Integral Bhakti Yoga - Integral Yoga. Bhakti is as Divine Key! Bhakti is first and last! Bhakti is all! Only Bhakti is enough. Om Namah Shivaya Warm Regards Mahapratibhawan PS Two links for read first two articles http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic.h\ tml <http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic.\ html> http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic_1\ 4.html <http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic_\ 14.html> : Subscribe to Shivayoga Powered by </> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Dear branko, Excellent article on Linga. I too have the same perception. But be prepared to receive the counter mails from certain sections of forum. May ambaal give you the courage to withstand!! Dogs bark but the caravaan goes on With regards, sriram Branko Ivatovic <mahapratibhawan wrote: [Moderator Note: Some Islamic references were edited.] Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part, short about Three Lingas Three main Lingas we have. 1. First is material form which usually call Linga. Shiva, Kriya, and Ishta is older names for this outside or material form. We have and few parts of one very holy Linga in Kaaba which have and next two deeper forms)! Today have many cults which haven't real knowledge about inner form and way for enter in process bhakti, jnana, dhyana - and have only parts of this knowledge because usually make only puja. Inside each regular Kriya/Ishta linga is Shiva linga. Kriya/Ishta Linga present form of awaking conciousness which is feeling conciousness (bhakti, pure love, first devotional state, dominant kriya shakti - any action God is love) and have and deeper level conciousness inside as willing conciousness (dominant icha shakti, love have exact real direction, or life, quality, quantity, intention,..). 2. Next and inner form of linga is Pranalinga. This is Linga from inner light. Saints from old time teach people about form Linga because this great souls see " Divine soul in Linga " . Divine Soul has divine aura which is exact form linga. Position of Soul which old saint see (in aura) is form Shiva Linga. Now we have two forms in one. Outside is like sharp ball on the water (sphere which haven't part in down), and inside is form body in position watching Linga on the left palm. Shivalinga is symbolic form: part sphere form is only symbolic form of head (haven't nothing with phallus), middle form of Shivalinga is symbolic form of left palm and higher part of body from heart/navel to neck (haven't nothing with vulva) and on palm is subtle/invisible Linga, lower part of Shivalinga is symbolic form of lower part of body from navel to legs. Pranalinga present form of sleeping conciousness which is cognition conciousness (third devotional or bhakti state, where is dominant jnana shakti - any direct knowing is God love) and have and deeper level conciousness inside as intuition conciousness. This is point reflection conciousness on the lower states or enter in higher form (execution) conciousness which is only base reflection of intuition conciousness. 3. Deepest form Linga is Mahalinga. This is very high dynamic form, with very high speed rotations and quietness (of extremely higher forms inner lights and inner sounds which is incorporate simultaneously), and all this is complete beyond mind. Very difficult find any reasonable words for intellect. Much deepest and complexes forms than in illusion when we look car which go in one direction, but all time wheels go on opposite direction. Here all forms have source or there is real place for resolve all illusions and then direct see God (or enter in complete conciousness). This extreme rotations have outside form Linga (sphere without lower part). There where all (para, chit, ananda, jnana, icha and kriya) shaktis deepest with Shiva, became completed in One Conciousness or enter in reflection as lower conciousness. This conciousness can abide as one conciousness on lower level as Pranalinga or as conciousness which reflected as thought in mind and intellect (or became omitted, or limited conciousness) which present as all outside forms of pranalinga. Mahalinga present form of deep sleeping conciousness which is execution conciousness (fifth devotional or bhakti state) and have and deeper level conciousness inside as union conciousness (sixth devotional or bhakti state) when haven't separation in conciousness. Because each of this three Lingas have two Lingas, exactly we have 6 Lingas*** or 6 levels conciousness or conciousness and five reflections. Now is open: not any creation all is only reflection, all is one conciousness, or all is One! Real teachings is only part of this! This is and real meaning in doctrines hexagram, pentagram, and six days creation,.. Next facts Shape of outside Linga is like shape inside Lingas which is from lights. This Linga's shape is open only through inner experiences. When real saint call God, or better say make proper invocation to sanctify shape Linga (which made in one stone), and when properly make sanctify one small part of conciousness enter in stone, and stone became sacred. Of course and today many try make Linga, but result is very different from this what will be necessary. <Snipped> Original colour Linga is white in Gold / Krita Yuga, but today is black because in last period is Kali Yuga! This black colour is originate and with colour pigment in pineal gland, which exact deep indigo colour (very close black). Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very probably lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody can't enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God. When we accept deepest form which higher then any intellectual efforts, and we for this have all time direct highest God's form or Linga! This way is only intuitional way or through open heart (consciously way). Form developed pineal gland is form Linga, now pineal gland is in rudiment state, through psychic development pineal gland became active and in bigger form like small linga (sweet cherry size). Old syntagmas Philosophy Stone, Elixir Immortality is linga of course: linga outside, pineal gland inside body, or better say linga on all and deeper levels! One span in front (where finish magnetic's part of aura) of forehead is lens pineal gland, for helping in develop this lens we must put in same place linga which must be full initiate for this praxis. Pineal gland have and cells very like one type cells in eyes, or better say we can through pineal gland see one part of vibration. This is sixth sense or Intuition Eye, Third Eye (have many names in traditions). Dear seeker truth, thanks for reading and asking, we continue.. I hope, after this few words you can find better meaning of Linga (or sacred stones with this shape). *** Six Bhaktis through: Six Lingas---------------Six Angas-------------- Six Bhaktis Acaralinga ------------- Bhakta ---------------- Srddhabhakti Gurulinga -------------- Mahesa --------------- Nisthabhakti Sivalinga --------------- Prasadi --------------- Avadhanabhakti Jangamalinga --------- Pranalingi ------------ Anubhavabhakti Prasadalinga ---------- Sharana -------------- Anandabhakti Mahalinga -------------- Aikya ----------------- Samarasabhakti This is part of old teaching which we today call Shivayoga as perfect Bhakti Yoga - Integral Bhakti Yoga - Integral Yoga. Bhakti is as Divine Key! Bhakti is first and last! Bhakti is all! Only Bhakti is enough. Om Namah Shivaya Warm Regards Mahapratibhawan PS Two links for read first two articles http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic.h\ tml <http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic.\ html> http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic_1\ 4.html <http://shivayog.blogspot.com/2008/05/linga-havent-nothing-with-phallic_\ 14.html> : Subscribe to Shivayoga Powered by </> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Dear Branko, > Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very probably > lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day > teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have > many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody can't > enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God. Sorry that I missed this while editing. Please do not make posts with sentences like above in future. Comparing and bringing in Islam is most absurd. Kindly dont make comparisons like this in future. In North India shaivism suffered so much due to Islamic invasions and to draw parllels between when they theologically go in opposite directions is most unfortunate. This is usually done only when there is no proper understanding of both of these. We do not have any problems with teh rest of this posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 > > > Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very > probably > > lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day > > teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have > > many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody > can't > > enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God. In Hindu/Indic traditions above view doesnt exist. One might find such view only in one or two minor sects which took shape during medieval times. Following rules etc in the form of yama niyama etc forms the basis of sadhana in the Hindu world. Preaching this to Hindu- s is like trying to convert them. So above statments are out of place and fundamentally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 It was Descartes who started declaring Pineal gland as the seat of the soul. By the word soul, what is meant in occidental theosophy is not the same as Atman or even Jivatman in Hindu philosophy. All the interpretations that take soul in occidental sense is par below what is meant by Atman or Jiva. Hence, when one associates pineal gland with " soul " , one has to be careful what they are using as the metaphor. Descartes equated mind with soul.Thus a soul, in his view, is NOT immortal; not part or equal or product of God, which does not exist much according to him... Pineal gland is supposed to be material instrument for mind to control the biological body. Complicated? What is wrong in associating pineal gland or some other part of the brain with soul in yoga sastras? As convenient, the european bounty-hunters, when they came to know about Agna in yoga shastra, immediately spun a hypothesis around the pineal gland, third eye, Agna etc.Many explanations by even adepts of yoga who wanted to reach out to western educated listeners started using this framework one way or the other. By sheer word association, the meaning of the adepts' discourses like Sri Shivananda was extrapolated to the entire framework of pineal gland-soul-Agna. This became a short-circuited-validation. To constrict yogic siddhis to an organ of the perishable body is like selling gold as iron nuggets. Brain as a whole is the crudest and grossest instrument - karana for Consciousness. Attributing Divine functions and purposes to the instruments with which Naure - that our body is part of - is a sign of self-delusion and twisted logic that have haunted Hindu Shastra sagara for the past 500 years. As that was done to Rig Vedic translations, why should the processes of yogic sadhana be tortured around pineal gland etc.? Just because we want to make europeans/westerners/western educated convinced? Just because yogic shastras are so inferior (as we feel) without these " intellectual gymnastics " ? is this the only way the western educated 21st century yoga-grazers could be " recruited " in to the glory of the science of Yoga? Even scientifically, the role of pineal gland is not well understood. Whehtehr it plays a role in the yogic sadhana's manifestation in the body and mind is not the point here. That it does is not proved either by yoga or by science. It need not be proved by Yoga, it is the prerogative of " scientific minds " to prove it. People who believe in teh Absolute, the Mother, the Divne Couple, or any form of God need not twist our meager intelligence to fit all the statements and experiences of yogic or any sadhana to incomplete and outdated " scientific " schools of thought. > Form developed pineal gland is form Linga, now > pineal gland is in > rudiment state, through psychic development pineal > gland became active > and in bigger form like small linga (sweet cherry > size). > Old syntagmas Philosophy Stone, Elixir Immortality > is linga of course: > linga outside, pineal gland inside body, or better > say linga on all and > deeper levels! > > One span in front (where finish magnetic's part of > aura) of forehead is > lens pineal gland, for helping in develop this lens > we must put in same > place linga which must be full initiate for this > praxis. > > Pineal gland have and cells very like one type cells > in eyes, or better > say we can through pineal gland see one part of > vibration. This is sixth > sense or Intuition Eye, Third Eye (have many names > in traditions). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 , Gopal G <gopal_gopinath wrote: > It was Descartes who started declaring Pineal gland as > the seat of the soul. This idea was derived from a Hindu tradition because it contains the oldest mention of such. Please see Taittiriya Upanishad Prashna 1 section 6 RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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