panchaButha suddhIkaraNam

July 17, 2008

Dear Devotees

Request your help on this doubt pl.

During pooja, specific manthrAs are chanted for the suddIkaraNam of aapu during

the kalasha pooja. Why not for the other panchaBUthAs? ( I am not sure if these

are chanted during navAvarNa poojas etc as i am not initiated into them. hence

this doubt is froma " normal " nithyapooja.)

praNAms.

Gopi

July 18, 2008

Dear gopi,

For the formal worship, there should 2 patras. One is for achamana and

other is for Kalasa. The water that is sipped for achamana is not used

for shodashopachara puja as it is supposed to be defiled by our touch.

The 2nd patra which is used for kalasa is used for arghya, paadya,

abhisheka. This water has to charged with divine energies to remove

the inherent poison (visha). For this, various mantras are chanted and

garuda and ankusa mudras are shown so as to remove the visha. This

process is called amrutikarana. The kalasa jala thus got is fit for

performing further upacharas to the deity.

Sriram

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>

> Dear Devotees

>

> Request your help on this doubt pl.

>

> During pooja, specific manthrAs are chanted for the suddIkaraNam of

aapu during the kalasha pooja. Why not for the other panchaBUthAs? ( I

am not sure if these are chanted during navAvarNa poojas etc as i am

not initiated into them. hence this doubt is froma " normal "

nithyapooja.)

>

> praNAms.

> Gopi

>

July 22, 2008

Dear Sriram

Thanks for the revert on water.

But why water alone? Why not purify the other bhoothas, was my original

question. Request inputs on this pl.

praNAms

Gopi

--------

Dear gopi,

For the formal worship, there should 2 patras. One is for achamana and

other is for Kalasa.

..

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July 22, 2008

Dear gopi,

There is a process of bhuta shuddi which is done as a part of chakrarchana.

But that is not necessary for panchayatana. Why water because, it is this water

that is being used for arghya, paadya, achamana, abhisheka to the diety. During

your nitya shodashopachara puja, are you using any article other than this?.

Strictly speaking, one should also have sankha (conch). The mantra jala of

kalasa should be poured into the sankha three times and sankha mantras are

chanted. After than, the sankha jala should be sprinkled on the articles used

for puja and some of the sankha jala should be poured into the kalasa. Then

only the kalasa jala becomes purified and it is fit to be taken as " tirtha

prasada " .

For regular siva panchayatana, these bhuta shuddis are not required. I follow

the panchayatana worship as per sringeri sampradaya which does not have bhuta

shuddi. But yes there are mantras for kalasa and sankha puja. And there are

mantras like " Agnir me vachisrithah vak hridaye hridayam mayee aham amrite

amritam brahmani.......... " and later on laghu nyasa is performed to siva

panchayatana.

Strictly speaking, for Nitya Sandhyavandana also, a special kalasa patra

should be placed for arghya to the surya and tarpana to the gayatri. The water

used for achamana is not fit to be used for arghya and tarpana to gayatri (but

smriti prescribes the usage of same achamana patra for arghya and tarpana also).

I prefer to use different kalasa.

regs,

sriram

Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

Dear Sriram

Thanks for the revert on water.

But why water alone? Why not purify the other bhoothas, was my original

question. Request inputs on this pl.

praNAms

Gopi

--------

Dear gopi,

For the formal worship, there should 2 patras. One is for achamana and

other is for Kalasa.

..

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July 22, 2008

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shrI mahAgaNapatahe namaH

Dear Friends:

Can we discuss the following ?

(Transliteration method used is from itranslator99 tool from Omkarananada

Ashram. (MS Vista compatible version).

Aapo vA ida{\m+} sarva.m vishvAbhutAnyApaH prANA vA ApaH pashava

AponnamApo.amR^itamApassamrADapo-virADApassvarAdApashchandA{\m+}syApojyotI{\m+}S\

yApoyajU{\m+}SyApassatyamApassarvAdevatA ApobhUrbhuvassuvarApa om | ityetaiH

snapayitvA

Are these related ?

Thanks / Regards,

KR.

shrI mAtre namaH

-

Gopi

Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:26 AM

Re: Re: panchaButha suddhIkaraNam

Dear Sriram

Thanks for the revert on water.

But why water alone? Why not purify the other bhoothas, was my original

question. Request inputs on this pl.

praNAms

Gopi

--------

Dear gopi,

For the formal worship, there should 2 patras. One is for achamana and

other is for Kalasa.

.

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July 24, 2008

Dear kumar,

Nothing much is there to discuss here because this mantra is an

invocation of apodevatas into the kalasa as a part of purificatory

rite.

Literally, the word " apah " means that which permeates and pervades.

So, after cosmic dissolution, when the supreme being thinks of

creation, he enters into the " Eternal Waters " (refer apraketam

salilam of nasadiya sukta) and creates the universe by pervading

himself in all directions. The " waters " or " apah " prior to creation

of universe has the " seed of creation " in itself and hence sruti

says " apo vai narayanah " . The " sacred waters " are the form

of " narayana " . And hence the above mantra says that " apo va idam

sarvam viswa bhutaan apah...... " . This entire universe is apah

including virat, hiranyagarbha, iswara, 7 meters of veda, vital

energy in the form of life force, all the vedas, all the three worlds

bhu, bhuvah and suvah are the forms of Sacred Waters / Apah.

The physical waters is just the symbolic representation of this

principle of Apah because like narayana it is also of the tattva of

permeation and all-pervasiveness.

Ultimately it is this bhavana which is important for the bhakti and

external worship. This bhavana leads to internal worship and para

bhakti where there is no necessity of external paraphernalia like

kalasa, flowers, dhupa, dipa and naivedya.

BUT TILL THEN, EXTERNAL WORSHIP WITH PARAPHERNAILA WITH UTMOST PURITY

OF THOUGHT, WORD AND DEED IS REQUIRED.

With regards,

sriram

, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach

wrote:

>

> shrI gurubhyo namaH

> shrI mahAgaNapatahe namaH

>

> Dear Friends:

>

> Can we discuss the following ?

> (Transliteration method used is from itranslator99 tool from

Omkarananada Ashram. (MS Vista compatible version).

>

> Aapo vA ida{\m+} sarva.m vishvAbhutAnyApaH prANA vA ApaH pashava

AponnamApo.amR^itamApassamrADapo-virADApassvarAdApashchandA{\m+}

syApojyotI{\m+}SyApoyajU{\m+}SyApassatyamApassarvAdevatA

ApobhUrbhuvassuvarApa om | ityetaiH snapayitvA

>

> Are these related ?

>

> Thanks / Regards,

> KR.

> shrI mAtre namaH

>

> -

> Gopi

>

> Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:26 AM

> Re: Re: panchaButha suddhIkaraNam

>

> Dear Sriram

>

> Thanks for the revert on water.

>

> But why water alone? Why not purify the other bhoothas, was my

original question. Request inputs on this pl.

>

> praNAms

> Gopi

>

> --------

> Dear gopi,

>

> For the formal worship, there should 2 patras. One is for

achamana and

> other is for Kalasa.

> .

>

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July 24, 2008

shrI gurubhyou namaH

shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

Friends:

Perhaps this is why apah was used as the medium for the pancha bhuta shuddih.

In fact is, this not one of the mantras that is repeated during teh pancha bhuta

shuddhih during sadyojaata method of puja ?

Thanks and Regards.

KR

shrI mAtre namaH

-

sriram

Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:32 AM

Re: panchaButha suddhIkaraNam