Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear Learned Members, Need your guidance. Does recitation of Chandi Dwija Stotram require initiation? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Dear, Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. There is a real incident which is prevalent in Bengal. In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of " bhakShatu " . So, NO GAMES WITH MANTRAS AND KAMYA PRAYOGAS. Acharya Sankara has given wonderful stotras like Saundaryalahari and Dakshinamurthy Stotram. Do chant these. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE 10 SLOKAS OF DAKSHINAMURTHY STOTRAM. IT IS A HIGHLY POTENT STOTRA AS TOLD TO ME BY MY GURUNATHA AND WE BELONGING TO THE SRINGERI SIVAGANGA PARAMPARA (IN DAKSHINAMURTHY UPASANA) HOLD THIS STOTRAM IN HIGH ESTEEM. With regards, sriram , " vjayar64 " <vjayar64 wrote: > > Dear Learned Members, > > Need your guidance. Does recitation of Chandi Dwija Stotram require > initiation? > > Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 This is a well known incident that took place during the times of Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi Mahaswaminah. This also finds mentioned in Acharyal's biography. Furthermore, Acharyal advised the scholar to correct the error and blessed him. After this, the person did not face any more problems by the grace of Acharyal. Sudarshan sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: Dear, Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. There is a real incident which is prevalent in Bengal. In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of " bhakShatu " . So, NO GAMES WITH MANTRAS AND KAMYA PRAYOGAS. Acharya Sankara has given wonderful stotras like Saundaryalahari and Dakshinamurthy Stotram. Do chant these. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE 10 SLOKAS OF DAKSHINAMURTHY STOTRAM. IT IS A HIGHLY POTENT STOTRA AS TOLD TO ME BY MY GURUNATHA AND WE BELONGING TO THE SRINGERI SIVAGANGA PARAMPARA (IN DAKSHINAMURTHY UPASANA) HOLD THIS STOTRAM IN HIGH ESTEEM. With regards, sriram , " vjayar64 " <vjayar64 wrote: > > Dear Learned Members, > > Need your guidance. Does recitation of Chandi Dwija Stotram require > initiation? > > Thanks. > Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Sri gurubhyo namaha. Dear Sriramji Your mail seems to raise a few doubts in my mind. In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of " bhakShatu " . If a person without any initiation into the mantra or its rahasyas etc got the phalA of his chandi anushtAna (and that too immeadiately)by making the 'real meaning' of his mistaken mantra bear fruit - i.e. killing his wife in a terrible accident. How come innumerable people who have got the mantra upadesha from gurus, even after long time upasana/sadhana dont have any real signs of the actual merits? If the effect of this mistaken 'bhAkShatu' without initiation even results in the wife's death, is there any reason to assume the correct 'rakshatu'would mean that the upAsakAs wife would never die? You yourself also say - Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. If that were the case how could the person in this story acchieve any effect (good or bad)from the anushtana of something he was not duly initiated into? Please note here that I am not questioning the validity of guru or dikshA or guru upadeshA. I am thankfully not a spiritual imbecile to ignore or not realise the merit of that (coming from sat sampradAyA myself).What I seek to clarify is simply what I have asked and not to disprove or question the guru tattvA. Stories are common place in every tradition. Be it Hindu or Christian or the native tribes in the namibian desert. Sometimes they are meant to illustrate something other than what is explicit, sometimes there is a lot of exxageration just to provide context for whatever is being said, sometimes its plain simple propoganda,etc etc etc. So my doubt is whether this is a story to illustrate a fact or principle or if it is to prove cause and effect. Because if it is, then the person who seems to have got a result (even if it be a bad one - ie.loss of wife)out of the anushtAnA seems to me to be more victorious than many others who simply recite the verses innumerable times without the slightest result (even in terms of it bringing maturity and insight in their own minds). And moreover this seems to indicate really the Guru is like a spell checker? If the fault was only in the typo or its wrong rendering? NamastE, and Subha Deepawali. , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear, > > Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. There is a real incident > which is prevalent in Bengal. > > In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of " bhakShatu " . > So, NO GAMES WITH MANTRAS AND KAMYA PRAYOGAS. > > Acharya Sankara has given wonderful stotras like Saundaryalahari and > Dakshinamurthy Stotram. Do chant these. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE 10 > SLOKAS OF DAKSHINAMURTHY STOTRAM. IT IS A HIGHLY POTENT STOTRA AS TOLD > TO ME BY MY GURUNATHA AND WE BELONGING TO THE SRINGERI SIVAGANGA > PARAMPARA (IN DAKSHINAMURTHY UPASANA) HOLD THIS STOTRAM IN HIGH ESTEEM. > > With regards, > sriram > > , " vjayar64 " vjayar64@ wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > Need your guidance. Does recitation of Chandi Dwija Stotram require > > initiation? > > > > Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear sir, The incident, not story, quoted here, happened less than about 60-70 years ago. From what I have read and heard, this happened to a vaidika that hailed from one of the villages around Sringeri (some say it was Vidyaranyapura Agrahara). It is also said that the vaidika married again and did not face any more difficulties thanks to Acharyal's blessings. Sudarshan [From when is it that stories and anecdotes which can never be verified have become for understanding shastra-s? This is a harmful trend - Satish] manalianamika <manalianamika wrote: Sri gurubhyo namaha. Dear Sriramji Your mail seems to raise a few doubts in my mind. In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of " bhakShatu " . If a person without any initiation into the mantra or its rahasyas etc got the phalA of his chandi anushtAna (and that too immeadiately)by making the 'real meaning' of his mistaken mantra bear fruit - i.e. killing his wife in a terrible accident. How come innumerable people who have got the mantra upadesha from gurus, even after long time upasana/sadhana dont have any real signs of the actual merits? If the effect of this mistaken 'bhAkShatu' without initiation even results in the wife's death, is there any reason to assume the correct 'rakshatu'would mean that the upAsakAs wife would never die? You yourself also say - Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. If that were the case how could the person in this story acchieve any effect (good or bad)from the anushtana of something he was not duly initiated into? Please note here that I am not questioning the validity of guru or dikshA or guru upadeshA. I am thankfully not a spiritual imbecile to ignore or not realise the merit of that (coming from sat sampradAyA myself).What I seek to clarify is simply what I have asked and not to disprove or question the guru tattvA. Stories are common place in every tradition. Be it Hindu or Christian or the native tribes in the namibian desert. Sometimes they are meant to illustrate something other than what is explicit, sometimes there is a lot of exxageration just to provide context for whatever is being said, sometimes its plain simple propoganda,etc etc etc. So my doubt is whether this is a story to illustrate a fact or principle or if it is to prove cause and effect. Because if it is, then the person who seems to have got a result (even if it be a bad one - ie.loss of wife)out of the anushtAnA seems to me to be more victorious than many others who simply recite the verses innumerable times without the slightest result (even in terms of it bringing maturity and insight in their own minds). And moreover this seems to indicate really the Guru is like a spell checker? If the fault was only in the typo or its wrong rendering? NamastE, and Subha Deepawali. , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear, > > Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. There is a real incident > which is prevalent in Bengal. > > In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of " bhakShatu " . > So, NO GAMES WITH MANTRAS AND KAMYA PRAYOGAS. > > Acharya Sankara has given wonderful stotras like Saundaryalahari and > Dakshinamurthy Stotram. Do chant these. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE 10 > SLOKAS OF DAKSHINAMURTHY STOTRAM. IT IS A HIGHLY POTENT STOTRA AS TOLD > TO ME BY MY GURUNATHA AND WE BELONGING TO THE SRINGERI SIVAGANGA > PARAMPARA (IN DAKSHINAMURTHY UPASANA) HOLD THIS STOTRAM IN HIGH ESTEEM. > > With regards, > sriram > > , " vjayar64 " vjayar64@ wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > Need your guidance. Does recitation of Chandi Dwija Stotram require > > initiation? > > > > Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear sir, <<I am thankfully not a spiritual imbecile to ignore or not realise the merit of that (coming from sat sampradAyA myself)>> When you yourself say that you are from " satsampradaya " , then you must be " mature enough " to understand the abhaya hasta of gurunatha during the mantra upasana. What exactly is the phala of mantra anushtana and why it works and sometimes why it does not work is wonderfully explained by Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal of Sringeri. Do read carefully the Biography of Jagatguru and The dialogues with Jagatguru. He has explained entire Karmic theory in that. with regards and happy diwali, sriram , " manalianamika " <manalianamika wrote: > > > Sri gurubhyo namaha. > > Dear Sriramji > > > Your mail seems to raise a few doubts in my mind. > > In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of > " bhakShatu " . > > If a person without any initiation into the mantra or its rahasyas etc > got the phalA of his chandi anushtAna (and that too immeadiately)by > making the 'real meaning' of his mistaken mantra bear fruit - i.e. > killing his wife in a terrible accident. How come innumerable people who > have got the mantra upadesha from gurus, even after long time > upasana/sadhana dont have any real signs of the actual merits? If the > effect of this mistaken 'bhAkShatu' without initiation even results in > the wife's death, is there any reason to assume the correct > 'rakshatu'would mean that the upAsakAs wife would never die? > > You yourself also say - > Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. > > If that were the case how could the person in this story acchieve any > effect (good or bad)from the anushtana of something he was not duly > initiated into? > > Please note here that I am not questioning the validity of guru or > dikshA or guru upadeshA. I am thankfully not a spiritual imbecile to > ignore or not realise the merit of that (coming from sat sampradAyA > myself).What I seek to clarify is simply what I have asked and not to > disprove or question the guru tattvA. > > > Stories are common place in every tradition. Be it Hindu or Christian or > the native tribes in the namibian desert. Sometimes they are meant to > illustrate something other than what is explicit, sometimes there is a > lot of exxageration just to provide context for whatever is being said, > sometimes its plain simple propoganda,etc etc etc. So my doubt is > whether this is a story to illustrate a fact or principle or if it is to > prove cause and effect. > Because if it is, then the person who seems to have got a result (even > if it be a bad one - ie.loss of wife)out of the anushtAnA seems to me to > be more victorious than many others who simply recite the verses > innumerable times without the slightest result (even in terms of it > bringing maturity and insight in their own minds). > > And moreover this seems to indicate really the Guru is like a spell > checker? If the fault was only in the typo or its wrong rendering? > > NamastE, and Subha Deepawali. > , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi@> wrote: > > > > Dear, > > > > Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. There is a real incident > > which is prevalent in Bengal. > > > > In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect of > " bhakShatu " . > > So, NO GAMES WITH MANTRAS AND KAMYA PRAYOGAS. > > > > Acharya Sankara has given wonderful stotras like Saundaryalahari and > > Dakshinamurthy Stotram. Do chant these. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE 10 > > SLOKAS OF DAKSHINAMURTHY STOTRAM. IT IS A HIGHLY POTENT STOTRA AS TOLD > > TO ME BY MY GURUNATHA AND WE BELONGING TO THE SRINGERI SIVAGANGA > > PARAMPARA (IN DAKSHINAMURTHY UPASANA) HOLD THIS STOTRAM IN HIGH > ESTEEM. > > > > With regards, > > sriram > > > > , " vjayar64 " vjayar64@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > Need your guidance. Does recitation of Chandi Dwija Stotram require > > > initiation? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear, > > Any mantra for that matter stotra, when done for a kamya prayoga needs > initiation from a sadguru belonging to sat-sampradaya. Please > understand the importance of guru, having attained the mantra siddhi > infuses mantra chaitanya into the disciple. There is a real incident > which is prevalent in Bengal. > > In the Devi Kavacha Patha, one sloka runs as " putrAn rakShEn > mahAlakShmi bhAryAm rakShatu bhairavi " . Now, in Bengali script, " r " > and " b " looks similar. If you put a single dot beneath the " b " , it > becomes " r " . One enthusiastic person without getting initiated into > the secrets of sapthasati, navakshari and Kavacha patha did the > parayana of Kavacha and Sapthasathi. For his prarabdha, he took the > kavacha which had the typing demon " b " instead of " r " for Rakshatu. > Now, Bengalis spell " b " as " bh " as per their local accent. This poor > fellow chanted the sloka as " bhAryAm bhAkShatu " instead of " bhAryAm > rakShatu " . The moment his chandi anushtan was over, his wife met a > terrible accident and lost her life. This is the effect >of " bhakShatu " . Please give some though before posting false stories like this. I heard this many years back. There are different versions of this story. SOme say the upAsaka is from Andhra. Now it is from Bengal! There is no need to rely on such stories which can hardly be verified. If one wants to illustrate teh risks invoved in some kAmya prayoga-s, there are better ways to do this. Thanks to teh gentleman who raised teh following questions. /message/11308 I request members to give some thought to teh points raised in teh above post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Dear Satish, Sorry if I am being blatant, but your comment is really in bad taste. It's okay to take every thing with a pinch of salt, but not okay to consume salty food itself. If you want to seek verification for almost everything, then it's not just going to be an arduous task, but also an endless one. " SamsAra sarpa DamshtrAnAm jantUnAm avivekinAm ChandrashEkhara pAdAbja smaraNam paramoushadam " Regards, Sudarshan [No comments on this but would like to point out that I am also a fan of Chandrasekhara Bharati swamin of Sringeri - Satish] sudarshan balasubramanian <sudarshanbalasubramanian wrote: Dear sir, The incident, not story, quoted here, happened less than about 60-70 years ago. From what I have read and heard, this happened to a vaidika that hailed from one of the villages around Sringeri (some say it was Vidyaranyapura Agrahara). It is also said that the vaidika married again and did not face any more difficulties thanks to Acharyal's blessings. Sudarshan [From when is it that stories and anecdotes which can never be verified have become for understanding shastra-s? This is a harmful trend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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