Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 shrI gurubhyo namaH shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH Friends: There is a shloka which goes something like " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " . If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ? Comments please. Thanks, KR. shrI mAtre namaH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hello,             " Rajayam Dehi, Siram Dehi, Dhanam Dehi, Na Sodasakshari "  Unless the Guru throughly searches the disciples objectives, Lakshyas (Targets), one should not give the Shodashakshari. If one is having shodasakshari that means he has everything in hand.  Shodasakashari is nothing but the Adhikara given by guru, it is the 6th cut where guru does at the ajna chakra so that all flood gates opened, then you will realize the complete universe.  If the sishya is a true disciple & as said by some one, one should able to see his own guru at the sahasrara in the meditation.  with regards Kamesh  --- On Mon, 19/1/09, Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: Kumar Ramachandran <kramach ShoDaSh Monday, 19 January, 2009, 7:01 PM shrI gurubhyo namaH shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH Friends: There is a shloka which goes something like " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " . If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications) . ? Comments please. Thanks, KR. shrI mAtre namaH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 , " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > Friends: > > There is a shloka which goes something like > > " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " . > > If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the > price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit > only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ? Namaste, Not just mantra shastra, but works on most Indian subjects have a poetic flavor. All that the shloka wanted to convey to its readers is that exercise great care when giving this mantra. Here is an example: A certain smriti says that " of him who wakes up before the Guru and who sleeps after the Guru, they say he does not sleep " . This does mean that if some one follows they will stop sleeping after a period of time. It is a poetic way of saying the fruit obtained by keeping night vigils(i.e. austerity done by keeping awake to please a certain devata) is obtained by one who who sleeps after the guru and wakes up before him. One will find many examples like this in Indian literature and readers should use discrimination and not take these literally. I wish to highlight the below point from Sriram's post. From Sriram's post: " But if we visualize Her (the Sakti as a whole which is non-different from Chit) from Dasa-mahavidya perspective, all the 10 Goddess fall into the category of the " Great Sciences of Liberation " where Shodasi falls into 3rd category. So, Shodasi is not the " Ultimate Goddess " but IS A PART OF dasa-mahavidyas. But yes, for the followers of Srikula system, Shodasi is the Ultimate Queen. " I am really bothered by the following statment: << " First he said I should start with Shodasi and then Tara Mantra otherwise it is like deposting a cheque where in you dont have a credit balance " >> This simply means that whoever made this statement knows nothing about this subject. This is how fake teachers get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 shrI gurubhyo namaH shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH Yes. My interpretation of that shloka is the same. I sort of understood / interpreted it as " Give it only to those who you would trust with your life, or for who you would be willing to give your life " . Thanks and Regards. shrI mAtre namaH _____ On Behalf Of Satish Monday, January 19, 2009 11:27 PM Re: ShoDaSh @ <%40> .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > Friends: > > There is a shloka which goes something like > > " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " . > > If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the > price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit > only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ? Namaste, Not just mantra shastra, but works on most Indian subjects have a poetic flavor. All that the shloka wanted to convey to its readers is that exercise great care when giving this mantra. Here is an example: A certain smriti says that " of him who wakes up before the Guru and who sleeps after the Guru, they say he does not sleep " . This does mean that if some one follows they will stop sleeping after a period of time. It is a poetic way of saying the fruit obtained by keeping night vigils(i.e. austerity done by keeping awake to please a certain devata) is obtained by one who who sleeps after the guru and wakes up before him. One will find many examples like this in Indian literature and readers should use discrimination and not take these literally. I wish to highlight the below point from Sriram's post. From Sriram's post: " But if we visualize Her (the Sakti as a whole which is non-different from Chit) from Dasa-mahavidya perspective, all the 10 Goddess fall into the category of the " Great Sciences of Liberation " where Shodasi falls into 3rd category. So, Shodasi is not the " Ultimate Goddess " but IS A PART OF dasa-mahavidyas. But yes, for the followers of Srikula system, Shodasi is the Ultimate Queen. " I am really bothered by the following statment: << " First he said I should start with Shodasi and then Tara Mantra otherwise it is like deposting a cheque where in you dont have a credit balance " >> This simply means that whoever made this statement knows nothing about this subject. This is how fake teachers get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 One such place is puurva of trishatii. You will see that in page 7 verses 10+11. It comes under devii uvaachaa. http://ambaa.org/pdf/lalita_trishati_san.pdf What is means is that one can give away one's kingdom or even one's head without seeing the qualifications of the receiver. But shoDhashaaaxarii mantra cannot be given away just like that. Which means, guru has to ensure adhikaari laxaNam - that qualifications of the shishhya (who is the adhikaarin here). To compare with a modern day scenario, if people in Iran or Iraq are hungry - India or the US will not hesitate to send food. To give food to an hungry and needy person, you do not have to think a lot. If the same countries come asking for nuclear technology, India will not give. It has said no in the past. Why? There is a potential for misuse. Mantra is similar to medicine - one man's cure could be another man's posion. Everybody in my house can take penicillin, but I cannot. It would be fatal if I take it. With assumption of mantra saadhana comes responsibilty. Even if the disciple is not smart enough to know, guru has to consider this. If the disciple has adequate qualifications - even shoDhaashii can be given directly. No need for baalaa etc. It is a decision guru has to make. If a person starts doing this en masse, then you can probably start to wonder. Ravi , " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > > shrI gurubhyo namaH > shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH > > > Friends: > > There is a shloka which goes something like > > " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " . > > If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the > price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit > only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ? > > Comments please. > > Thanks, > KR. > > shrI mAtre namaH > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 shrI gurubhyo namaH shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH Dear Shri MSR. Thanks for the URL. I agree with these sentiments, except that I have not come across an example or any authority for giving ShodaShI before bAlA and / or panchadashAkSharI. Perhaps others can provide some authoritative examples or some authority for this ? shrI mAtre namaH _____ rom: [ ] On Behalf Of MSR Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:46 PM Re: ShoDaSh One such place is puurva of trishatii. You will see that in page 7 verses 10+11. It comes under devii uvaachaa. http://ambaa. <http://ambaa.org/pdf/lalita_trishati_san.pdf> org/pdf/lalita_trishati_san.pdf What is means is that one can give away one's kingdom or even one's head without seeing the qualifications of the receiver. But shoDhashaaaxarii mantra cannot be given away just like that. Which means, guru has to ensure adhikaari laxaNam - that qualifications of the shishhya (who is the adhikaarin here). To compare with a modern day scenario, if people in Iran or Iraq are hungry - India or the US will not hesitate to send food. To give food to an hungry and needy person, you do not have to think a lot. If the same countries come asking for nuclear technology, India will not give. It has said no in the past. Why? There is a potential for misuse. Mantra is similar to medicine - one man's cure could be another man's posion. Everybody in my house can take penicillin, but I cannot. It would be fatal if I take it. With assumption of mantra saadhana comes responsibilty. Even if the disciple is not smart enough to know, guru has to consider this. If the disciple has adequate qualifications - even shoDhaashii can be given directly. No need for baalaa etc. It is a decision guru has to make. If a person starts doing this en masse, then you can probably start to wonder. Ravi @ <%40> .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote: > > shrI gurubhyo namaH > shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH > > > Friends: > > There is a shloka which goes something like > > " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " . > > If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the > price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit > only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ? > > Comments please. > > Thanks, > KR. > > shrI mAtre namaH > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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