Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

ShoDaSh

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

 

Friends:

 

There is a shloka which goes something like

 

" ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " .

 

If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the

price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit

only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ?

 

Comments please.

 

Thanks,

KR.

 

shrI mAtre namaH

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hello,

             " Rajayam Dehi, Siram Dehi, Dhanam Dehi, Na

Sodasakshari "

 

Unless the Guru throughly searches the disciples objectives, Lakshyas (Targets),

one should not give the Shodashakshari. If one is having shodasakshari that

means he has everything in hand.

 

Shodasakashari is nothing but the Adhikara given by guru, it is the 6th cut

where guru does at the ajna chakra so that all flood gates opened, then you will

realize the complete universe.

 

If the sishya is a true disciple & as said by some one, one should able to see

his own guru at the sahasrara in the meditation.

 

with regards

Kamesh

 

 

--- On Mon, 19/1/09, Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote:

 

Kumar Ramachandran <kramach

ShoDaSh

 

Monday, 19 January, 2009, 7:01 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

 

Friends:

 

There is a shloka which goes something like

 

" ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " .

 

If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even if the

price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit

only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications) . ?

 

Comments please.

 

Thanks,

KR.

 

shrI mAtre namaH

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach

wrote:

> Friends:

>

> There is a shloka which goes something like

>

> " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " .

>

> If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even

if the

> price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out (

albeit

> only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ?

 

Namaste,

Not just mantra shastra, but works on most Indian subjects have a

poetic flavor. All that the shloka wanted to convey to its readers is

that exercise great care when giving this mantra.

 

Here is an example: A certain smriti says that " of him who wakes up

before the Guru and who sleeps after the Guru, they say he does not

sleep " . This does mean that if some one follows they will stop

sleeping after a period of time. It is a poetic way of saying the

fruit obtained by keeping night vigils(i.e. austerity done by keeping

awake to please a certain devata) is obtained by one who who sleeps

after the guru and wakes up before him.

One will find many examples like this in Indian literature and

readers should use discrimination and not take these literally.

 

I wish to highlight the below point from Sriram's post.

From Sriram's post:

" But if we visualize Her (the Sakti as a whole which is non-different

from Chit) from Dasa-mahavidya perspective, all the 10 Goddess fall

into the category of the " Great Sciences of Liberation " where Shodasi

falls into 3rd category. So, Shodasi is not the " Ultimate Goddess "

but IS A PART OF dasa-mahavidyas. But yes, for the followers of

Srikula system, Shodasi is the Ultimate Queen. "

 

I am really bothered by the following statment:

<< " First he said I should start with Shodasi and then Tara Mantra

otherwise it is like deposting a cheque where in you dont have a

credit balance " >>

 

This simply means that whoever made this statement knows nothing

about this subject. This is how fake teachers get caught.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Yes. My interpretation of that shloka is the same.

 

I sort of understood / interpreted it as " Give it only to those who you

would trust with your life, or for who you would be willing to give your

life " .

 

Thanks and Regards.

 

shrI mAtre namaH

 

_____

 

On Behalf Of

Satish

Monday, January 19, 2009 11:27 PM

 

Re: ShoDaSh

 

 

 

 

@ <%40> .com, " Kumar

Ramachandran " <kramach

wrote:

> Friends:

>

> There is a shloka which goes something like

>

> " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " .

>

> If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even

if the

> price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out (

albeit

> only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ?

 

Namaste,

Not just mantra shastra, but works on most Indian subjects have a

poetic flavor. All that the shloka wanted to convey to its readers is

that exercise great care when giving this mantra.

 

Here is an example: A certain smriti says that " of him who wakes up

before the Guru and who sleeps after the Guru, they say he does not

sleep " . This does mean that if some one follows they will stop

sleeping after a period of time. It is a poetic way of saying the

fruit obtained by keeping night vigils(i.e. austerity done by keeping

awake to please a certain devata) is obtained by one who who sleeps

after the guru and wakes up before him.

One will find many examples like this in Indian literature and

readers should use discrimination and not take these literally.

 

I wish to highlight the below point from Sriram's post.

From Sriram's post:

" But if we visualize Her (the Sakti as a whole which is non-different

from Chit) from Dasa-mahavidya perspective, all the 10 Goddess fall

into the category of the " Great Sciences of Liberation " where Shodasi

falls into 3rd category. So, Shodasi is not the " Ultimate Goddess "

but IS A PART OF dasa-mahavidyas. But yes, for the followers of

Srikula system, Shodasi is the Ultimate Queen. "

 

I am really bothered by the following statment:

<< " First he said I should start with Shodasi and then Tara Mantra

otherwise it is like deposting a cheque where in you dont have a

credit balance " >>

 

This simply means that whoever made this statement knows nothing

about this subject. This is how fake teachers get caught.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

One such place is puurva of trishatii. You will see that in page 7

verses 10+11. It comes under devii uvaachaa.

 

http://ambaa.org/pdf/lalita_trishati_san.pdf

 

What is means is that one can give away one's kingdom or even one's

head without seeing the qualifications of the receiver. But

shoDhashaaaxarii mantra cannot be given away just like that. Which

means, guru has to ensure adhikaari laxaNam - that qualifications of

the shishhya (who is the adhikaarin here).

 

To compare with a modern day scenario, if people in Iran or Iraq are

hungry - India or the US will not hesitate to send food. To give food

to an hungry and needy person, you do not have to think a lot. If the

same countries come asking for nuclear technology, India will not

give. It has said no in the past. Why? There is a potential for misuse.

 

Mantra is similar to medicine - one man's cure could be another man's

posion. Everybody in my house can take penicillin, but I cannot. It

would be fatal if I take it. With assumption of mantra saadhana comes

responsibilty. Even if the disciple is not smart enough to know, guru

has to consider this. If the disciple has adequate qualifications -

even shoDhaashii can be given directly. No need for baalaa etc. It is

a decision guru has to make. If a person starts doing this en masse,

then you can probably start to wonder.

 

Ravi

 

 

, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach wrote:

>

> shrI gurubhyo namaH

> shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

>

> Friends:

>

> There is a shloka which goes something like

>

> " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " .

>

> If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even

if the

> price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit

> only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ?

>

> Comments please.

>

> Thanks,

> KR.

>

> shrI mAtre namaH

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Dear Shri MSR.

 

Thanks for the URL.

I agree with these sentiments, except that I have not come across an example

or any authority for giving ShodaShI before bAlA and / or panchadashAkSharI.

Perhaps others can provide some authoritative examples or some authority for

this ?

 

shrI mAtre namaH

_____

 

rom: [ ] On Behalf

Of MSR

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:46 PM

 

Re: ShoDaSh

 

 

 

One such place is puurva of trishatii. You will see that in page 7

verses 10+11. It comes under devii uvaachaa.

 

http://ambaa. <http://ambaa.org/pdf/lalita_trishati_san.pdf>

org/pdf/lalita_trishati_san.pdf

 

What is means is that one can give away one's kingdom or even one's

head without seeing the qualifications of the receiver. But

shoDhashaaaxarii mantra cannot be given away just like that. Which

means, guru has to ensure adhikaari laxaNam - that qualifications of

the shishhya (who is the adhikaarin here).

 

To compare with a modern day scenario, if people in Iran or Iraq are

hungry - India or the US will not hesitate to send food. To give food

to an hungry and needy person, you do not have to think a lot. If the

same countries come asking for nuclear technology, India will not

give. It has said no in the past. Why? There is a potential for misuse.

 

Mantra is similar to medicine - one man's cure could be another man's

posion. Everybody in my house can take penicillin, but I cannot. It

would be fatal if I take it. With assumption of mantra saadhana comes

responsibilty. Even if the disciple is not smart enough to know, guru

has to consider this. If the disciple has adequate qualifications -

even shoDhaashii can be given directly. No need for baalaa etc. It is

a decision guru has to make. If a person starts doing this en masse,

then you can probably start to wonder.

 

Ravi

 

@ <%40> .com, " Kumar

Ramachandran " <kramach wrote:

>

> shrI gurubhyo namaH

> shrI mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

>

> Friends:

>

> There is a shloka which goes something like

>

> " ....na dadyaat ShoDaShAkSharI " .

>

> If it is so important that one should not give out ShoDaShI .. even

if the

> price is one'w own head... " then how come it is being given out ( albeit

> only to Shishyas who have performed certain qualifications). ?

>

> Comments please.

>

> Thanks,

> KR.

>

> shrI mAtre namaH

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...