Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Namsathe. Mr. Satish emotional out burst to my mail is well accepted and justified in the Context of his personal ego though he is not Right, if he understands under what context it was written. My mail was based on the holistic view of the only One which exists -- Ambaaji - Matha - Janani. Everyhting is born to Her and She is the root and root cause of everthing and from that root springs all human beings irrespective of allegiance to any religion. Religion is just a path to reach Her. In any relgion including Islam, Christianity there is a relationship with God, divine power and power of grace. That is why there are several persons in all other religions also whom the world praise as Mahaans or prophets. These great men like Christ or Prohet Mohammed, if one goes through their life histories, had the Atma Gunas as prescribed in our scriptures. They founded different religions and their philosophies which laid emphasis on good conduct,devotion to God,faith, meditation on the spirit etc. These minds of these prohets owe their origin to the GREAT MIND of Ambaaji that has created all around the cosmos including the laid down rules to keep the cosmos in a certain order and at the same time it is the great mind that helps people under the sway of Maya,letting them act according to their Whim. ( I am generalizing all the acts here ). It is all Her power alone and divine sport as it is through Her Jnana manifested as Energy that this phenomenonal world functions including on salught of islam or conversions. As Love, Devotion to GOD is common to all religions, possibly for this reason , our Masters such as Maha swamy or HH Chandrasekhara Bharathy Swamygal never ever converted any European or an American when they approached them with the desire of getting themselves converted to hinduism . The simple advise was be a True Christian and you are belong to it for a certain purpose. One of the greatest Upasaka of modern Times Paramahamsa was a true Christian for 3 days and was a true Muslim for 3 days ,He had the same experience of what He had -- when he Realized the Ambaa Consciousness. when he was a muslim or Christian not any point he could not think of his Ishta Devatha Kaali. To finally conclude being the last mail on the subject,it is Ambaal who creates the desire to conduct the affairs of the world and in Her will everything what happened,what is going on and what is to happen is as perfect as a beautiful Crystal. She is verily Existence-Bliss- and Consciousness. She can be mediated in any form as Allah or Father and She will bestow her grace on the devotee in that form. This includes the formless also as a form. This is my understanding of being a humble devotee of Ambaaji. I am not an Advocate of any other religion or accept any attrocities but I have the faith that everything is PERFECT and Normal and Her Will is prevailing everywhere. What needs to be done is Karamanustanam as prescribed in Sastras as per injunction of Maha Swamy. The view that this is not possible in Modern Times is indeed the root cause of damage to the sanatana Dharma more than the Evil of intelectual violence played upon as conversion by christians or conversion through sheer Sword Power. Such persons irrespective of any religion are deemed to be non-dharmic. Millions of MahaSwamy devotees sincerely believe that He is Kaamakshi personified and He is alive even to-day and is guiding the devotees in the path of Dharma. It is his spirit that acts as a beacon of light in troubled times and so the comments of Saitishji on HIM is excessively upsetting. There wouldn't be more comments on this thread Regards Ganapathy = = Vijaya ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 , ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: > Mr. Satish emotional out burst to my mail is well accepted and >justified in the Context of his personal ego though he is not >Right, if he understands under what context it was written. if you are saying this..my words apparaently hurt you and I sincerely apologise for the same. But if you( and others too) read my posts closely once more I did not say something is wrong because I did not like it. I adopted teh following procedures for everything I said. 1) I gave logical reasoning 2) Showed happenings from history 3) Gave examples both from my personal experience and from incidents that everyone is aware of. Is that not right? i urge you to please read my posts closely. > Religion is just a path to reach Her. In any relgion including >Islam, Christianity there is a relationship with God, divine power >and power of grace. That is why there are several persons in all >other religions also whom the world praise as Mahaans or prophets. Their relationship to god or dog is not our concern. What is very clear about these two religions is that they thrive by destroying others(it is not my statement yaar.. there is books and books of evidence for this and we see it daily too) and that is what differentiates these religions from ours and religions which are like ours i.e. Celtic religions, ancient roman and greek religions, druidism and various other pagan religions which do not exist these days. To do not exist because Christianity and islam wiped them out. > These great men like Christ or Prohet Mohammed, if one goes through >their life histories, had the Atma Gunas as prescribed in our >scriptures. Your statements are based on ignorance of the key personalities of these religions . For example from many historical documents Mohammed is known to be a womaniser and quite immoral, violent and merciless. You can refer to many western and Indian authors who proved and dcumented this. This is the reason i say your statements stem from an ignorance of the history of Christian and Muslim system. >They founded different religions and their philosophies >which laid >emphasis on good conduct,devotion to God,faith, >meditation on the >spirit etc. Lol. There isnt something called a philosophy in these religions. Whatever can be termed philosophy in these religion is childish and naive. At this point it is very apparent that you havent completely read the Bible or the Quran. > These minds of these prohets owe their origin to the GREAT MIND of >Ambaaji This is just hilarious. I am almost rollong on the floor laughing at this. A pedophile i.e.e child absuer is a great mind for you? Whoa! > It is all Her power alone and divine sport as it is through Her >Jnana manifested as Energy that this phenomenonal world functions >including on salught of islam or conversions. I explained why this attitude is wrong in my previous mail. Please refer it. > As Love, Devotion to GOD is common to all religions, possibly for >this reason , our Masters such as Maha swamy or HH Chandrasekhara >Bharathy Swamygal never ever converted any European or an American >when they approached them with the desire of getting themselves >converted to hinduism . They never converted because there is no need for us to convert. I am not saying or suggesting that we should convert people of other religions. Just saying we should not allow them to convert our people to theirs and that we need to take action against this. >One of the greatest Upasaka of modern Times Paramahamsa was a true >Christian for 3 days and was a true Muslim for 3 days ,He had >the same experience of what He had -- when he Realized the Ambaa >Consciousness. This is nothing more than a story. You can make a story like this yourself. Paramahamsa told this to you or did you watch him expereience the bliss of christ. If both parties i.e. us and them beleive this it is fine . But if only we belive this and they pooh-pooh it, it is dangerous. > She can be mediated in any form as Allah or Father and She will >bestow her grace on the devotee in that form. According to what Agama or tantra? She can be thought as a strI or a pumAn or as neutral according to the sUta samhita. None of the shastra-s prescribe mediatating devI as Allah or Christ. > This is my understanding of being a humble devotee of Ambaaji. And it is aparently wrong for the reasons that I already showed above. > The view that this is not possible in Modern Times is indeed the >root cause of damage to the sanatana Dharma more than the Evil of >intelectual violence played upon as conversion by christians or >conversion through sheer Sword Power. Such persons irrespective of >any religion are deemed to be non-dharmic. Wrong again. See my latest response to manalianamika - Gautam karthik. where I showed that the cause of conversion lies outside Hinduism and not within Hindusim. If the problem is within Hinduism how do you explain the conversion activties in societies where Hindusim is not present? Like for example Philippines, South Korea and other non Hindu nations? > Millions of MahaSwamy devotees sincerely believe that He is >Kaamakshi personified and He is alive even to-day and is guiding the >devotees in the path of Dharma. Whether kAmAkShi says ir or mInAkShi says it, what is wrong is wrong. My observation is that your knowledge of Christianity- islam, their socitiety, their history is upto the mark which is the reason for your line of thinking. The example that I will give again is that of Mohammed. Nothing can be hilarious in the three worlds than caling the Prophet of islam to be " great mind " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Srigurubhyo namaha. >According to what Agama or tantra? She can be thought as a strI or a pumAn or as neutral according to the sUta samhita. None of the shastra-s prescribe mediatating devI as Allah or Christ.> Is Christ not pumAn then?? --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Satish <satisharigela wrote: Satish <satisharigela Re: Ambaaji's Protection Saturday, 6 June, 2009, 7:29 AM @ .com, ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101@ ...> wrote: > Mr. Satish emotional out burst to my mail is well accepted and >justified in the Context of his personal ego though he is not >Right, if he understands under what context it was written. if you are saying this..my words apparaently hurt you and I sincerely apologise for the same. But if you( and others too) read my posts closely once more I did not say something is wrong because I did not like it. I adopted teh following procedures for everything I said. 1) I gave logical reasoning 2) Showed happenings from history 3) Gave examples both from my personal experience and from incidents that everyone is aware of. Is that not right? i urge you to please read my posts closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 , gautham karthik <manalianamika wrote: > > Srigurubhyo namaha. > > >According to what Agama or tantra? She can be thought as a strI or a pumAn or as neutral according to the sUta samhita. None of the shastra-s prescribe mediatating devI as Allah or Christ.> > > Is Christ not pumAn then?? No. Because the exact words are strIrupAm va puMrUpAM dhyAyet.h athavA niShkAlAm dhyAyet.h. I quote this from memory so please ignore the errors. strI rUpa's are already known. By puMrUpa is meant either viShNu or shiva. To back this up we have a certain vanadurga prayoga in shrI gIrvAnendra's commentary where the VD mantra is slightly altered and viShNu is meditated either in the solar or the lunar disc while saying the VD mantra. Additionally because of the sameness of name,form and other things with shiva, the form of shiva may be used. Furthermore we dont know if a pumAn called christ existed or if it is just created and if he existed we dont know his form so he doesnt fit. And I think your post was actually intended to tease. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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