Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Sorry for flooding with three mails in a row in a single day..but I thought it is important to respond. , kamesh mahadevan <kameshmahadevan wrote: > Just by saying conversions should stop - they wont stop ! Totally agreed ofcourse >Vidyararanya, Shivaji-maharaj etc.. were men of action. We are mere >men of words... We? Let us take off the we there because you dont know the activities of everyone in the list. Everything starts from the mind. if we repeat to ourselves " we are mere men of words " we will remain so. > What are we (you) doing apart from screaming in such fora against >conversions? Not much apart from stopping a few relatives from becoming christians. I know it is not much but drops make an ocean. As of now i am working on another relative trying to stop his slippage into that monotheistic abyss. > Do you propose any methods to combat such assaults on our dharma ? We will get to that. > Can you please outline any action-points instead of blindly >triggering hate ? Probably you forgot that I wrote to gautham the following? " ...defending one's traditions from others does not require hate. All it takes is a concern for one's tradition....There is no need to hate the Christians or Muslims. From when is condemning inhuman/barbaric actions of others a hateful act? " Maybe you should study other's posts a little closely before saying something lik ethis? > There is very famous saying in Kannada - " Kai aaglilla andre >Kailasa " or roughly equivalent > in tamil " Sakti ille na Sivaane irrukkanam " , Meaning if you cannot >act, take recourse to gods name instead of meaningless meandering. > Thats what vijaya-ganapati-ji message is ! We should keep a positive outlook and think positively. If we always think " we cannot act " we will remain so. Why cannot you act? I stopped a few relative'c conversion you can do the same . if not for a relative, may be a for a freind or an acquaintance. The main points of objection I had for Ganapathyji 1)We need be concerned with attacks from others 2)We accept christ.. Jesus F Christ.. who is that we there? :-) 3)Those that truly beleive in those two religions, reach brahma lokam 4)Performing our daily rituals will somehow ward off the attacks. I already asked by giving an example " how is my performance of my rites going to stop for example my cousin's conversion. Can someone explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Several replies to Satish illustrate how brain-washed Hindus can get. Many Hindus project *their personal* understanding of an Abrahamism in place of what the Abrahamists really believe. i.e. they think the Abrahamists are wrong about their own religion and they are right about it. If we look at pagans they are historically syncretic. We can appreciate equivalence between our religious constructs and those of other pagans. While this works alright between pagans it is fatal when a pagan does it with Abrahamisms, because they have already decided the result. What a pagan thinks does not matter to them. So when you let them in they are like a virus which will take over your cells and finish them. While it is fine for everyone to continue with their bhakti and/or mantras and tattva vichAra it is also good to stop and think about the very cause and structure of your religiosity and compare with others why it exists. Most postors on this list it appears follow advaita vedAnta and upon residing in the Atman such issues can be considered by the sthitapraj~na without being adversely affected or excited. Then like kR^iShna and arjuna one can go about the karma of overcoming the duShtamatas. Rajita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I am a little late in posting on this thread though I have expressed my understandings in 2 similar threads. Do we have an Institution like the Papacy for the Catholics or money fromthe oil rich countries for propogating Hindu Dharma A lot of persons I have come across fromthe lower strata have got converted because of the monetory gain (temporarily that is )they get.But after some time they go back to their hindu traditions --- On Sun, 6/7/09, rajita_rajvasishth <rajita_rajvasishth wrote: rajita_rajvasishth <rajita_rajvasishth Re: in reply to satish-ji posts on protecting Dharma Sunday, June 7, 2009, 5:26 PM Several replies to Satish illustrate how brain-washed Hindus can get. Many Hindus project *their personal* understanding of an Abrahamism in place of what the Abrahamists really believe. i.e. they think the Abrahamists are wrong about their own religion and they are right about it. If we look at pagans they are historically syncretic. We can appreciate equivalence between our religious constructs and those of other pagans. While this works alright between pagans it is fatal when a pagan does it with Abrahamisms, because they have already decided the result. What a pagan thinks does not matter to them. So when you let them in they are like a virus which will take over your cells and finish them. While it is fine for everyone to continue with their bhakti and/or mantras and tattva vichAra it is also good to stop and think about the very cause and structure of your religiosity and compare with others why it exists. Most postors on this list it appears follow advaita vedAnta and upon residing in the Atman such issues can be considered by the sthitapraj~na without being adversely affected or excited. Then like kR^iShna and arjuna one can go about the karma of overcoming the duShtamatas. Rajita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 , kamesh mahadevan <kameshmahadevan wrote: << It is precisely this Karma i am talking about. Are you suggesting - sit and meditate, a bolt from the blue will come and provide a solution to this problem. Sorry ..it has not yet worked in my case.>> I have not asked anyone on this forum to wait for a bolt from the blue or otherwise. karman includes amongst other things educating misguided individuals like those who voiced their views here. It is no just about taking a weapon and going to fight or working with enconomically backward targets of conversion. If you are doing that more power to you. So there is no point of accusing people like Satish of not performing karman. As advised by the mods I am also shutting up on this now. RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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