Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Dear all Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only to various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc. This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra of these devatas? Is it because any " goddess " can be invoked in the meru? If so , then , at the bindu , is that particular sakthi to be visualised /to be prayed to or will the bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI? Kindly request clarification. srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha srI harI Gopi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Dear all, Meru consists all the energies of devathas, however big or small it may be. Even in shirdi sai sannidhis, I am installing Maha Meru. However it would be apt that the Meru is given proper pujas such as nava avarana puja etc. Meru has one speciality that it can be worshipped as Siva or sakthi because it is energy personified. it conforms to the 96 tatwas of the human body and therefore it helps one to have soul to soul contact. Even the Guru mandalam is there within and without. yantras indicate the energy of the particular devatha whereas Maha Meru consists all the 33 crore of devathas, dieties, the gurus nay the entire universal being GOD. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN antarurjas Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:20 -0700 meru Dear all Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only to various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc. This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra of these devatas? Is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: > > Is it because any " goddess " can be invoked in the meru? If so , then , at the bindu , is that particular sakthi to be visualised /to be prayed to or will the bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI? > ? > Kindly request clarification. > ? > srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha > ? > srI harI > Gopi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Dear sankaranarayanan-ji, Namaste. My age is almost half of yours so with due respect to your age can i ask you one question? What is the relation between Saibaba and Meru and why such pratishtas are being done. Kindly note that i am not demeaning Saibaba here but every yantra has got its importance and is associated with Adhishtatra devata. It cannot be argued that Saibaba is sarva-devata-swarupa or lalitha-swarupa and hence Baba can be worshipped amidst Bindu sthana at Meru. My advice to you as your grandson is to construct a Tripurasundari temple in Saibaba Temple Complex and arrange for Meru Pratishta. There is absolute no issue over it. Thanks and regards, sriram , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > > Dear all, > > Meru consists all the energies of devathas, however big or small it may be. Even in shirdi sai sannidhis, I am installing Maha Meru. However it would be apt that the Meru is given proper pujas such as nava avarana puja etc. > > Meru has one speciality that it can be worshipped as Siva or sakthi because it is energy personified. it conforms to the 96 tatwas of the human body and therefore it helps one to have soul to soul contact. Even the Guru mandalam is there within and without. > > yantras indicate the energy of the particular devatha whereas Maha Meru consists all the 33 crore of devathas, dieties, the gurus nay the entire universal being GOD. > > > > Regards, > > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > > > antarurjas > Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:20 -0700 > meru > > Dear all > > Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only to various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc. > > This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra of these devatas? > > Is it > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Dear Gopi, The Maha Meru contains all the divine energies. The seven stages of splendour are there and they are integrated and inter-related with each other. When one is at the top, he has the impression of the bottom also, and one is at the bottom he visualises the top also.The bindu represent the mergence with the divine energy above Thuriyateetham. Here visualisation has no meaning and it is only the experience of one ness with the divine energy. Like Rishyasringa brings rain wherever he goes, the devi upasaka transmits the divine energy to everything he comes across unmindful of the distance. My master used to say that even if a saint of the highest caliber goes through a street of postitutes, he transmits the divine energy to them without his own knowledge and the prostitutes are elevated and helped to merge with the divine energy. In the Bindu, there is only mergence and no difference between the sadaka, guru and the devi. Triputi is firmly established there. May everyone get this. S.SHANGARANARAYANAN kn_vasan2005 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:19:50 +0000 Re: meru , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: rayed to or will the bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI? > ? > Kindly request clarification. > ? > srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha > ? > srI harI > Gopi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Dear Divine Brother, Thanks. I am totally surprised that your views are not universal but confined to " self " . Did you have interaction and integration with Sai baba or any other great saint. How do one say that he is not this and he is not that. All great saints, from whichever religion or sphere they come, possess the divine energy. Therefore installing Maha Meru anywhere cannot be questioned by any one as it is wish and desire of the devotee concerned. Maha Meru is an instrument, if I can call so, to integrate the idol into the ideal behind the idol. When name and form merges, there remains only the divine energy. When laila and majnu met, they merged into each other, and only the begging bowl remained as a witness, unaware that the holder of the bowl merged. Why should I build a temple for Raja Rajeswari when one can transmit the divine energy to any one beyond name and form. A temple need or need not be there to do spiritual and divine work. If I can say so Idols have no heart to reciprocate and that is why great saints found the yantras, mantras and formless divine energy and attained mergence between the devotee, devoted and the worship. Perhaps you are not aware as to what I am doing beyond all these abstract worship to which I am totally attached. I am servicing with my products and services in the construction of new temples, reconstruction of old dilapidated temples and I provide the very best, true, honest, absolutely pure products done with heart and soul and divine energised, with a view to bring harmony, goodluck and prosperity to every one everywhere. I do not have funds for this purpose but some devotees help these causes and I am only an instrument. Remember that when an idol is installed, I use my means and methods to energise the same to vibrate divine energy around and help the devotee get a good guru to merge with HIM.Here eventhough the idol cannot reciprocate by means of a dialogue, the devotees devotion, earnestness and dedication takes him to a true guru who is an adept and who has already merged with the Ultimate absolute energy. Please do not mistake me for all the above, as I am no body and I have no feelings whatsoever against any one. As per my Masters orders my duty is to transmit divine energy and that is all. Regards and seeking your blessings, eventhough you are my grandson, because you are a spiritual epitome. S.SHANGARNAARAYANAN sriram_sapthasathi Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:50:33 +0000 Re: meru Dear sankaranarayanan-ji, Namaste. My age is almost half of yours so with due respect to your age can i ask you one question? What is the relation between Saibaba and Meru and why such pratishtas are being done. Kindly note that i am not demeaning Saibaba here but every yantra has got its importance and is associated with Adhishtatra devata. It cannot be argued that Saibaba is sarva-devata-swarupa or lalitha-swarupa and hence Baba can be worshipped amidst Bindu sthana at Meru. My advice to you as your grandson is to construct a Tripurasundari temple in Saibaba Temple Complex and arrange for Meru Pratishta. There is absolute no issue over it. Thanks and regards, sriram , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > > Dear all, > > Meru consists all the energies of devathas, however big or small it may be. Even in shirdi sai sannidhis, I am installing Maha Meru. However it would be apt that the Meru is given proper pujas such as nava avarana puja etc. > > Meru has one speciality that it can be worshipped as Siva or sakthi because it is energy personified. it conforms to the 96 tatwas of the human body and therefore it helps one to have soul to soul contact. Even the Guru mandalam is there within and without. > > yantras indicate the energy of the particular devatha whereas Maha Meru consists all the 33 crore of devathas, dieties, the gurus nay the entire universal being GOD. > > > > Regards, > > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > > > antarurjas > Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:20 -0700 > meru > > Dear all > > Can meru be installed in any of the sakthi sannadhIs? Or is it specific only to various forms of Lalitha or Rajarajeshwari etc. > > This doubt can to me as there are quite a few temples in chennai for pratya~Ngira, mahamaayi etc where the meru prasthAram is installed. When the pooja vidhi, manthra of these devatas are separate, why not install the yanthra of these devatas? > > Is it > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Sri Gurubhyon Namaha ?????????????????????????????????? Dear Shangarnarayan Garu ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I totally agree with you on the philosophical point, but why only meru, why not any other yantra as in the end everything is the same one brahman. One cannot transgress the laws of shrutis and smrithis basically saying everything is one, a person who has acheived this state needs not temples nor anything, he is himself god, but we are mortals and people who are trying our part to see brahman in everything, but mind it we have the duality in us that is why we keep going to temples and seeing great people. If i were to put Kali's idol on top of vishnu instead of shiva saying that there is no difference between shiva and vishnu, am i not making a mistake. It would be like a person saying that all festivals are reasons to celebrate and i will celebrate diwali during the period of sankranthi. Everything has its place and a form i cannot place a srichakra infront of vishnu and pray that he is in the bindu sthana, it is for the maharagni and maha kameshwara only, else there would not have been so many yantras to talk about and worship. Sri Kamakshi Raghavender ________________________________ S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:18:19 AM RE: Re: meru Dear Divine Brother, Thanks. I am totally surprised that your views are not universal but confined to " self " . Did you have interaction and integration with Sai baba or any other great saint. How do one say that he is not this and he is not that. All great saints, from whichever religion or sphere they come, possess the divine energy. Therefore installing Maha Meru anywhere cannot be questioned by any one as it is wish and desire of the devotee concerned. Maha Meru is an instrument, if I can call so, to integrate the idol into the ideal behind the idol. When name and form merges, there remains only the divine energy. When laila and majnu met, they merged into each other, and only the begging bowl remained as a witness, unaware that the holder of the bowl merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 There could not be any doubt about the placement of Shri Kameshwara Kameswari in bindhu sthanam as regards to Sri Chakra or Meru. If you invoked any devadha either in Srichakra or Meru there position will be in any place other than the Bhindhu sthanam. Since the Srichakra or Meru is wholly meant for Shri Kameswara Kameshwari the prime place of Bindhu is wholly meant for Shri Kameswara Kameshwari only. , " N.SRINIVASAN " <kn_vasan2005 wrote: > > , Gopi <antarurjas@> wrote: > > > > Is it because any " goddess " can be invoked in the meru? If so , then , at the bindu , is that particular sakthi to be visualised /to be prayed to or will the bindu still remain the abode of kAmeshwara-kAmeshwarI? > > ? > > Kindly request clarification. > > ? > > srichakra rAja nilayAyai namaha > > ? > > srI harI > > Gopi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Dear Sangaranayananji Thanks for your mail. Thanks to this forum where we can see people with different levels of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to any particular form of worship and others who say dont even go anywhere near the maHameru to pray if you dont have the required initiation. Such diversity in views itself is a very good learning. Probably people, like me, who do not understand the level of evolvement that you are in, will probably keep asking you the " procedure " and " bookish " questions on meru etc. So pl excuse my ignorance. Sir, given that the guru in whose sannidhi you have done the prathisTA has the divine energy, why do a yanthra of any other God/ Goddess? why not a yanthra of him? May be there is a reason as to why saints, dont have yanthras of their own. yanthras seem to be restricted to " gods and goddesses " ! And if the need for the yanthraprathishta has to be there at all , why the rAjA of them all? Saints are channels of divine energy,are Gurus.but I am not able to visuliase them being invoked in the meru.that may be is my inability. May be SHE allows us to be prayed in any possible way and so we are allowed to do these. Devotees like me, who are still stuck to form, on entering the temple of Sairam with a Meru,will be so attracted to HER and start saying the kadgamala and not get connected to the energy of the saint. Well may be ultimately it is all the same to you, but then where I stand today, it only adds to the confusion. Request advise pl. srI harI Gopi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: >Thanks to this forum where we can see people with different levels >of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names >attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to any >particular form of worship and others who say dont even go anywhere >near the maHameru to pray if you dont have the required initiation. >Such diversity in views itself is a very good learning. First of all, you should understand that the moment you see someone utter words like " going beyond name and forms " " transmit divine energy " , it does not mean they are evolved sadhakas. They are probably in a state of utter confusion and even delusion. > Sir, given that the guru in whose sannidhi you have done the >prathisTA has the divine energy, why do a yanthra of any other God/ >Goddess? why not a yanthra of him? May be there is a reason as to >why saints, dont have yanthras of their own. yanthras seem to be >restricted to " gods and goddesses " ! How can humans have yantras? yantra is geometrical representation of the mantra or devata. If there is no mantra for something there will not be a yantra. > And if the need for the yanthraprathishta has to be there at all , >why the rAjA of them all? Because that brings more money and since people are crazy about shrIvidya! > Saints are channels of divine energy,are Gurus.but I am not able to >visuliase them being invoked in the meru.that may be is my >inability. I will tell one thing. Please don't listen to each and everybody you come across. I can assure you that this will put your mind into confusion. Avoid talking about vague, undefined things like " divine energy " , " transmit divine energy " , " divine vibrations " and such new age non-sense. The gentle man who is responsible for confusing you himself does not have a clue as to what exactly these mean! When somebody says these things, ask for a shAstra pramANa. If they cant give any - ignore them. > May be SHE allows us to be prayed in any possible way and so we are >allowed to do these. Allowed to do what? I lost you on this one. Could you please explain? > Devotees like me, who are still stuck to form, >on entering >the temple of Sairam with a Meru,will be so attracted to >HER and >start saying the kadgamala and not get connected to the >energy of >the saint. Connect to the energy of the saint? What does that even mean? Can you explain? What do you get by connecting to the " energy of the saint " ? This is just sad... Why not just focus on your khaDgamAlA or lalitA sahasranAma or your mantra japa? Where is the need to " connect to saint's energy " - if you know what that means? > Well may be ultimately it is all the same to >you, but then where I >stand today, it only adds to the confusion. I think you are doing perfectly well--till you started listening to the gentleman who " transmits divine energy " every now and then. Sriram already asked the gentleman for pramANa-s and none came. So please ignore this " divine energy transmitter's " responses. He is a fake teacher, I can tell for sure. Gopi: The following is not meant not to mock you but it is for the other gentle man who is confusing people with this new age blabber. " Beep Beep.. STARTING Xfer ..Divine Energy to Meru..0% complete " " Beep Beep.. Transferring ..Divine Energy to Meru..10% complete " " Beep Beep.. Transferring ..Divine Energy to Meru..80% Complete " " Beep Beep.. Transferring ..Divine Energy to Meru..100% Complete " " Your Meru is ready .. Beeeeep. " " Initiating...search for Divine Vibrations.... " " Sorry.. None found! " Best of Luck, MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita: tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthitau || jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi || For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not. The parasurama kalpa sutra says: sampradAyavishvAsAbhyAM sarvasiddhiH Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY possible through sat-sampradAya and hence sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the sAdhana. Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man. Let us tread the path shown to us by the illustrious acharyas of Sringeri, Kanchi Mahaswamigal, Sir Chidanandanatha, Shri Bhaskararaya and other mahatmas of srividya. Let us Not take the sastras in our own hands and twist it as per our own convenience. Couple of months back when i spoke to Parama Pujya Shri BJ Ganesh Prasad-ji who is the direct disciple of Brahmasri KP Sankara Sastrigal, he literally was in sobs with the current trend of srividya and its commercialisation. Just my 2 cents. ajnAnAm jAhnavi tIrtham vidyAtirtham vivEkinAm sarvEShAm sukhadam tIrtham bhAratI tIrtham AshrayE // With regards, sriram , Gopi <antarurjas wrote: > > Dear Sangaranayananji > > Thanks for your mail. Thanks to this forum where we can see people with different levels of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to any particular form of worship and others who say dont even go anywhere near the maHameru to pray if you dont have the required initiation. Such diversity in views itself is a very good learning. Probably people, like me, who do not understand the level of evolvement that you are in, will probably keep asking you the " procedure " and " bookish " questions on meru etc. So pl excuse my ignorance. > > Sir, given that the guru in whose sannidhi you have done the prathisTA has the divine energy, why do a yanthra of any other God/ Goddess? why not a yanthra of him? May be there is a reason as to why saints, dont have yanthras of their own. yanthras seem to be restricted to " gods and goddesses " ! > > And if the need for the yanthraprathishta has to be there at all , why the rAjA of them all? > > Saints are channels of divine energy,are Gurus.but I am not able to visuliase them being invoked in the meru.that may be is my inability. > > May be SHE allows us to be prayed in any possible way and so we are allowed to do these. Devotees like me, who are still stuck to form, on entering the temple of Sairam with a Meru,will be so attracted to HER and start saying the kadgamala and not get connected to the energy of the saint. Well may be ultimately it is all the same to you, but then where I stand today, it only adds to the confusion. > > Request advise pl. > > srI harI > Gopi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Gopi, Why should there be any confusion. Without the Guru none can reach HER. For instance in a super specialty hospital several doctors attend on a patient, with the same goal of curing the patient and restoring good health. Whatever knowledge the doctor has say in the field of nephralogi, cardialogy, oncology etc., diagnoise the patient and recommend the treatment. Similarly every saint according to his level of attainment help each and every devotee of any God or Goddesses. The devotee is benefitted. Did not Kuchela took beaten rice to krishna who bestowed upon him all the purusharthas. Maha Meru denotes that everything is divine energy and one has to go beyond form. But the name and form are always there until everything is dissolved in maha pralaya. Great Saints are there who may have different wavelength of divine energy and they do not distinguish between a devotee of amba or siva or vishnu. it is only our approach. What wrong you see in maha meru being installed in any temple, other than devi. I do not claim to be a super human being and I only say that my Guru has bestowed upon me a condition which helps me to see everything as one. Even in Srividhya worship, after prana pratishta is done, all differences vanish and everything becomes " Brahmamayam " " tejomayam " 'Vidhyamayam " etc. Even Yama becomes one with Divine Mother , he forgets his job and to my knowledge there has been no death in a family when nava avarana poua is being done. Further any divine energy can only be experienced and one has to earn it, practice it and get it from an adept guru. The Guru himself should have transgressed such a state of being and becoming and have the means and methods to transmit. Don't you know there is " Garbha raksha nyasam " for energising temple land and the main idols, and this procedure is common to all the temples whether vishnu, siva, ganapathy, sai baba etc. Did not abhimanyu learnt from lord Krishna when he was in his mother's woumb? To be frank when one looks to the ultimate for help, he gets the help. Devotation, Dedication and determination are vital to achieve the gold. Only the adept Guru can help and none else. Please do not think that I know everything, and I do not know anything. it is not necessary to ahve any other form of worship than Maha Meru, but the taste of the people is different. Loko binnaruchihi. Why should you see any contradiction and why you want to say that the yantra pertaining to that idol should only be installed, when everything is dine energy and beyond idol and ideal. how do you say there are no yantras for the Guru. Sarvagna Peeta yantra is there and several others too. You can ask going on asking questions and there is no end to it. Doubting Thomases can never be convinced. There is guru mandala puja in the Meru during the Nava avarana pooja. Don " t you know it. There is nothing absolutely wrong in worshipping a form, because a person can claim to ahve reached a state of worshipping formless (divine energy) when he becomes an expert in worshipping a form and ultimately knowing that it leads to formless worship. It is absurd if one without worshipping in form claims that he has left form worship, because that cannot be true. An expert in any field finds an application correct or not only because of experience. May Divine Mother shower you with all such oneness with the divine. You can chant anything in the temple. You are perhaps aware that the 64 upacharas are done even to Venkatachalapathy as is done to Raja Rajeswari, because they are one and the same, eventhough forms may differ. Can you say that the soul resident in animal, man, trees etc., are different from each other. Even if you chant kadgamala, which is nothing but the aavarana explanation, before any idol, you certainly get the benefit. i do not sant to prolong this and treat this matter closed with this response. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN antarurjas Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:01:04 -0700 Re: Re: meru Dear Sangaranayananji Thanks for your mail. Thanks to this forum where we can see people with different levels of sAdhanA balam. One who has gone beyond the forms and names attached to the mahAmeru and hence doesnt restrict it to meru etc. So pl excuse my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I dont know why we are obsessing about Srividya and meru etc.. Srividya is one way of getting Ambaal's grace, not the only way. There are other much easier ways, make take a bit more time, following one's svadharama and being devoted to Ambaal by prayers etc... We should be very clear as to what is driving us to Srividyia, is it bhakthi or ego or fad? regards Vishwam ________________________________ sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:15:01 AM Re: meru Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita: tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthi tau || jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi || For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not. The parasurama kalpa sutra says: sampradAyavishvAsAb hyAM sarvasiddhiH Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY possible through sat-sampradAya and hence sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the sAdhana. Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Sriramji, Thanks. All the sampradayas are for people who are not interested in reality. When a upasaka reaches the helm of his sadhana, all rituals are lost for ever and he dwells in a state which is beyond even nirvikalpa samadhi. One has got to keep his goal before him, otherwise it is not reached at any time. What is wrong in wishing everyone to get reality and merge with the Divine. Srividhya is certainly not for a few people only. Of course the present situation is that many use this only to make money. But at the end they get their punishment. Let us pray that Divine Mother bestow upon such people good sense. For your information Maha Periaval himself asked me to bring out all the sacred aspects of Srividhya when i was 27 years old, eventhough I did not known even an alphabet of sanskrit. He bestowed the capacity and perhaps that makes me bring out some of the publications for use by devotees for their own welfare and that of the universe. Possessiveness of the divine energy without offering or transmitting them to others makes one " power gross " and after death that soul becomes a brahmarakshas. Only blaming every one is not going to produce any result. The so called great people should be asked as to what they had done for the universe. They are power gross and want to possess everything in the guise of protecting srividhya. This is absurd and cannot be accepted. God is simple and the way to reach him should also be simple. By making one believe that srividhya is only for a chosen few, cannot and shall not be acceptable.Why not the great saints and guru parampara make the means and methods very simple, through their own experience of God hood, if they had really achieved the same. They are not interested and feel that " self realisation " means one's one own realisation and not the realisation of the society in all respects of mental, moral, spiritual, financial, material progress and what not. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN sriram_sapthasathi Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:15:01 +0000 Re: meru Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita: tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthitau || jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi || For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not. The parasurama kalpa sutra says: sampradAyavishvAsAbhyAM sarvasiddhiH Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY possible through sat-sampradAya and hence sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the sAdhana. Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear vishwam, It is madness and nothing else. That is what Shri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal told me. People cannot climb a single ladder but would like to climb entire staircase and reach the summit. In our colony, purna dikshas, padukantha dikshas, keeping crystal merus and sriyantras have become fashion. There is no proper achara, leave alone nitya karmas. There is a big false notion among the people that sriyantras big good luck, drive away vastu doshas and software engineers get visas to US. The lengthier the mantra with more tongue twisting bijas , the more powerful and quicker results...... with regs, sriram , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: > > I dont know why we are obsessing about Srividya and meru etc.. Srividya is one way of getting Ambaal's grace, not the only way. > There are other much easier ways, make take a bit more time, following one's svadharama and being devoted to Ambaal by prayers etc... > > We should be very clear as to what is driving us to Srividyia, is it bhakthi or ego or fad? > > > regards > Vishwam > > > > ________________________________ > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:15:01 AM > Re: meru > > Bhagavan Krishna states in the Bhagavat Gita: > > tasmAcchAstram pramANam te kAryAkAryavyavasthi tau || > jnAtvA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi || > > For an ordinary human being who lacks proper viveka jnana, shAstra is the pramANa as to what *dharma* is and what is not. > > The parasurama kalpa sutra says: > > sampradAyavishvAsAb hyAM sarvasiddhiH > > Which means it is the belief in the sat-sampradaya and the sastra which gives the srividya siddhi. The interpretation and application of the sastra is ONLY possible through sat-sampradAya and hence > sastra and sat-sampradaya form the two wheels of the chariot which is called the sAdhana. > > Let us no *dilute* the Srividya, srividya sastra, srividya sampradaya in the name of making it *accessible* to *common man*. Srividya is NOT for common man. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 shrI lalitAparameshvarI tiruvaDigaLe sharaNaM (For those who remember this - a smiley :-) ) , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > All the sampradayas are for people who are not interested in >reality. How do you know that? You secretly crept into the minds of people interested in sAmpradAya and used your advanced divine energy transmission techniques to scan the minds, to know this? > When a upasaka reaches the helm of his sadhana, all rituals are >lost for ever and he dwells in a state which is beyond even >nirvikalpa samadhi. One has got to keep his goal before him, >otherwise it is not reached at any time. Well said Sir. No disagreement here. > > What is wrong in wishing everyone to get reality and merge with the >Divine. Because everybody is in their own level and are stationed at different points on the road leading to that goal. You don't have to wish this for someone. By wishing this for someone and indiscriminately giving shrIvidya mantras you bring them more harm than good. >Srividhya is certainly not for a few people only. Of course >the >present situation is that many use this only to make money. But >at >the end they get their punishment. Let us pray that Divine Mother >bestow upon such people good sense. Indeed shrIvidya is only for a few people. The shAstras are clear on this. Also remember that shrIvidya is not the only way to mokSha. Examining your posts for sometime show that your mind is locked into thinking that people get self-realization or reality( to use your terms) only through shrIvidya. Do correct me if I misunderstood you. > Possessiveness of the divine energy without offering or >transmitting them to others makes one " power gross " and after death >that soul becomes a brahmarakshas. What is the source for this statement? Fine, we understand that many valid things exist outside shAstra or tantra. So if you cant quote any tantra maybe you can explain why they become brahmarAkShasa. For example: If I say, No they dont become brahmarAkShasa but they actually become a brahma bhUta, how are you going to disprove me? Do you now see the reason for me asking this question? Please don't come up with utterly baseless pronouncements like this. >They are power gross and want to possess everything in the guise of >protecting srividhya. This is absurd and cannot be accepted. Power Gross? I sometimes wonder if you have any comprehension of what you type here. > God is simple and the way to reach him should also be simple. By >making one believe that srividhya is only for a chosen few, cannot >and shall not be acceptable. First, there is no God. There is only brahman or Ishvara. God is simple? I say God is actually complex - come and please disprove me. In other words, please explain why God is simple. No one is interested in making people believe that shrIvidya is only for a chosen few. The related shAstras say this and there are ample examples of unprepared people getting mantras like pa~nchadashi and suffering because of that. These are the reasons for saying this > They are not interested and feel that " self realisation " means >one's one own realisation and not the realisation of the society in >all respects of mental, moral, spiritual, financial, material >progress and what not. That is why it is called self-realization and not society-realization, mental,moral, or financial realizations. There is way too much confusion displayed in the above statement. One has to write an article for this. bAlAparameshvaryai namaH aDiyen, MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > For your information Maha Periaval himself asked me to bring out >all the sacred aspects of Srividhya when i was 27 years old, >eventhough I did not known even an alphabet of sanskrit. He bestowed >the capacity and perhaps that makes me bring out some of the >publications for use by devotees for their own welfare and that of >the universe. I have been watching this thread. There is no doubt you are doing all of us a great service by publishing many works on devI and shiva. We will all be definitely thankful for that. i am sure this will be the case even with people who did not agree with you on some points in this thread. That said, I think there is a problem with some of your terminology. Most people cant understand some of your words and what you mean by them which is reflected in the various responses to your posts. It is better to use as ravi suggested standard sanskrit words I will be meeting you soon to replenish my bhasma stocks By the way how is the publication on vanadurga going on? Let us focus more on that if youa renot too busy with other things. > Only blaming every one is not going to produce any result. The so >called great people should be asked as to what they had done for the >universe. They are power gross and want to possess everything in the >guise of protecting srividhya. This is absurd and cannot be accepted. I did not understand anything in the above passage. > God is simple and the way to reach him should also be simple. By >making one believe that srividhya is only for a chosen few, cannot >and shall not be acceptable. It will be better as others has pointed out to stop using the word God. There isnt a God in our traditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Shri Sankaranarayan, With due respect to your age and learning, With what little knowledge I have of ShriVidya thanks to this group and my reading, it is very clear that an highly sophisticated and intricate means of worship/sadhana like ShriVidya is not meant and was never meant for the masses. Infact the entire subject of Mantra Shastra, Kundalini Yoga etc. were only for a very few people, capable of handling these. Therefore it is best to keep these Shastras / Vidyas in the way they were suppossed to be instead of attempting to make them accessible to all and sundry. People who are unbale to understand the importance and significance of these Vidyas, will invariable bring these Vidyas down to their level of thinking. We see this all the time, when half baked vastu consultants, astrologers etc. have reduced the ShriYantra to a goodluck charm and a furniture item. I am very sure that the Shriyantra was never designed to be so. ________________________________ S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai Saturday, 20 June, 2009 2:02:18 PM RE: Re: meru Dear Sriramji, Thanks. All the sampradayas are for people who are not interested in reality. When a upasaka reaches the helm of his sadhana, all rituals are lost for ever and he dwells in a state which is beyond even nirvikalpa samadhi. One has got to keep his goal before him, otherwise it is not reached at any time. What is wrong in wishing everyone to get reality and merge with the Divine. Srividhya is certainly not for a few people only. Of course the present situation is that many use this only to make money. But at the end they get their punishment. Let us pray that Divine Mother bestow upon such people good sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Shri Shankaranarayan to continue with my previous post which was sent by mistake?without completing it ..... However moksha /self realiazation is?acheivable by all individuals and it is not the preserve of any singular group of people or any religion. All can aspire and attain this. Ambaa is definitely accessible to all her children at all times and in all situations. There are various ways and means to reach?Her. Shri Vidya is only one of the many ways. And people who really want to reach Her, will do so in the ways the means as per their?individual capabilities, as given by Her. She will show them the way, if She wants them to reach Her. How can you transmute the " divine energy " to someone else If one has?done sadhana all his life, it is his sadhana and he will get the fruit of the sadhana. Why should he transmute this to someone else It is a fact that knowlege gained throught ones life needs to be handed down to a sat shishya. Not divine energy. Anyway the energy belongs to the Divine Mother. Who are we to pass it down Yes, the Mother is simple and also complex, and for simple people simple means like Bhakti and Nam Sankeertan ,simple puja,stotra path in Sanskrit and other languages are avalaible and they are as valid as other complex means. In Her infinite compassion and love for Her children having different levels of understanding, maturity, She has inspired our forefathers, sages, rishis, etc to devise various different means to reach Her. Prescribing complex modes of worship like ShriVidya to all and sundry without taking into account their capablity to imbibe and handle the Vidya, is like trying to teach trignometry and calculus to a first standard student. What the result will be is already there for us to see. Regards Rohit ________________________________ S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai Saturday, 20 June, 2009 2:02:18 PM RE: Re: meru Dear Sriramji, Thanks. All the sampradayas are for people who are not interested in reality. When a upasaka reaches the helm of his sadhana, all rituals are lost for ever and he dwells in a state which is beyond even nirvikalpa samadhi. One has got to keep his goal before him, otherwise it is not reached at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Sangaranarayanaji Thanks for your response. Obviously you seem to have evolved to a stage of saying, that you can ensure the saannidhyam of a sannidhi by meru prathishTa, where SHE is the primary " object " of worship, or not. In this example, people will come to pray Sairam in that temple and that somehow will get translated to prayer to srichakrarAjAnilayA and they will derive the benefit.Good. So be it. loka samasthA sukhino bhavanthu.Still wonder why Meru. If forms are equal, one wonders why not a nArAyaNa yanthra or a shiva yanthra? Sir, let me rest with my understanding. SHE and only SHE and HER parivAradevathAs are to be prayed in the Meru. My guru mandalam and my guru, who has shown his blesings by initiating me into srividhyA, is to be prayed in the meru. I am not willing to accept a meru prathishTa in other Guru's sannidhi, as I dont think it it proper and is not accepted by sastra, especially when the guru is not in the srividhyAsampradAya and parampara. I am not going to ask any more doubts on this topic. najaanaami aavaahanam..... what else can people like me do but to seek HER feet!!! srI harI Gopi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Brother, Loko binnaruchihi. it is your pleasure to do what you want to do. None can stand between you and the Guru. When one cannot see that Sairam is Divine Mother and Divine Mother is sai ram, who can convince such a person.it is the desire of the devotees to have both and it does not mean one is loweer than the other. Unity in diversity is the introspection. S.Shangarnaarayanan antarurjas Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:24:40 -0700 Re: Re: meru Dear Sangaranarayanaji Thanks for your response. Obviously you seem to have evolved to a stage of saying, that you can ensure the saannidhyam of a sannidhi by meru prathishTa, where SHE is the primary " object " of worship, or not. In this example, people will come to pray Sairam in that temple and that somehow will get translated to prayer to srichakrarAjAnilayA and they will derive the benefit.Good. So be it. loka samasthA sukhino bhavanthu.Still wonder why Meru. If forms are equal, one wonders why not a nArAyaNa yanthra or a shiva yanthra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Divine, Neither you or me or anyone can judge whether any person had reached nirvana or merged with the ultimate. it is their own experience. Let them follow what they want and in none of my writings do I provoke or insist that they follow the Srividhya method etc. Let them be happy in their own way. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN rohitkumtha Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:39:46 +0530 Re: Re: meru Dear Shri Sankaranarayan, With due respect to your age and learning, With what little knowledge I have of ShriVidya thanks to this group and my reading, it is very clear that an highly sophisticated and intricate means of worship/sadhana like ShriVidya is not meant and was never meant for the masses. Infact the entire subject of Mantra Shastra, Kundalini Yoga etc. were only for a very few people, capable of handling these. Therefore it is best to keep these Shastras / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Shri Shankaranarayanji No one except the Guru can judge whether a person has attained " moksha " . Actually, the? question should be; is mokhsa something, or some state of mind which can be attained?? It is not my contention that you provoke or insist everyone to follow ShriVidya. Although it would have been? a happier world if every one had the capability to follow ShriVidya. Your statement that Shri Vidya is for the masses, is what struck me as incorrect. Regards Rohit? ________________________________ S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 6:47:40 AM RE: Re: meru Dear Divine, Neither you or me or anyone can judge whether any person had reached nirvana or merged with the ultimate. it is their own experience. Let them follow what they want and in none of my writings do I provoke or insist that they follow the Srividhya method etc. Let them be happy in their own way. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Shri Shankaranarayanji, If you say that Sairam is Ambaa and Ambaa is Sairam, then why not add a few other deities and say that all are one and also include Buddha, Mahavir,?God and the Christ and Allah, the God of the Jews and say that every one is the same and all religions are the same, and then build a great big Hall of Worship and house, images of all of the above mentioned? and? feel very great and secular about it?? As it is, many deluded people are already doing this. Why are different temples built for different deities?? In ancient temples everywhere,we see differnent " sannidhis " for different deities in one temple complex.? Doesnt this tell us?anything?? If our?forefathers and Gurus prescribed something for us and if that? prescription has stood the test of time, why meddle with it, if we do not have even an iota of their vision.????? ?I have nothing against Saibaba personally, but kindly dont make statements?like this.? ?? On a humorous note:? Your methods can be compared to fusion music,?trying to get something of everything and in the end getting nothing at all, except?incomprehensible?noise.? What else can we small guys say?? All the best to you Sir! Regards Rohit? ________________________________ S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 6:45:37 AM RE: Re: meru Dear Brother, Loko binnaruchihi. it is your pleasure to do what you want to do. None can stand between you and the Guru. When one cannot see that Sairam is Divine Mother and Divine Mother is sai ram, who can convince such a person.it is the desire of the devotees to have both and it does not mean one is loweer than the other. Unity in diversity is the introspection. S.Shangarnaarayanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Namasthe All I am not an expert on these topics. But from my limited experience I say with confidence Sri Vidya is not for all and sundry but only for a selected few who have the capacity to worship her as she should be worshipped Om Shri Mathre Namah PBK --- On Wed, 6/24/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha wrote: rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha Re: Re: meru Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 8:44 AM Dear Shri Shankaranarayanji No one except the Guru can judge whether a person has attained " moksha " . Actually, the? question should be; is mokhsa something, or some state of mind which can be attained?? It is not my contention that you provoke or insist everyone to follow ShriVidya. Although it would have been? a happier world if every one had the capability to follow ShriVidya. Your statement that Shri Vidya is for the masses, is what struck me as incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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