Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Sri Sriram wrote :    This sort of chaturvidha- aikhya-bhAvana of Guru, Mantra, Devata & Antaratma is called as *Srividya Upasana* (vide reference Saubhagya Bhaskara of Shri Bhaskararaya Makhin). The *visualization* and *experience* of such unified principle among these 4 components is the *Srividya Upasana Siddhi*. To such a Srividya Upasaka Siromani, after having experienced his *prArabha karma*, sheds his mortal coil and leaves for Manidwipa - the above of Tripurasundari never to return back to this mundane world. In other words, such a siddha purusha is a Jivanmukta who would not be born again.  Sriram      Namasthe.   The observation by the author of the mail - that the Sadhak attains “ JivanMuktha†status is excessively loose and misleading statement. The author is right while saying that the Sadhak  may go to Manidwipa which is a Brahma Lokam and not be born but to attain Moksha is not as per scriptures ,as I understand by the reading “ Deivathhin Kural†by Maha Periyavaal.  Let us see what Maha Swamy says in this regard.  By performing Bhakthy and Karma one does not become automatically a Jivan Muktha. It helps us in removing the impurities of Mind which has been subject to Vasanas of several Janmas . Sri Vidya Upasana is done through Mind and Upasana could only bring Chittha Suddhi and would lead you to the Next stage to the practice  towards  Advaitha Siddhy.  To get the Advaitha Siddhy the very Mind is discarded with the help of which Upasana was done. It is not easy and is like a revolver shooting itself. The thought process to stop and which has been a continuous one for several births . has to initiate and intensify the process of destruction by Ambal’s Grace.  The Nirguna Brahman or Athma is only permanent and capable of being helpful to reach us that permanent thing. Rest everything is impermanent. There are many things like Atma sastras,upadesas of great men, upasana which induce pure attitude and these are not atma.  Maha Periyavaal says that even if AMBAAL appears before us and keeps us on Her lap they too are not permanent experience like the unfolding of SELF. But they are definitely capable of giving grace and taking near to it. There are several things which appear to be good for the time being but which in effect would take far away from Atma. Lord Yama utters to Swatha kethu that He had attained what is permanent through things which are impermanent.   To conclude an upasaka, By Ambaal’s grace  engages himself finally in the Atma Vichara. It is only a spiritual transformation from upasana of a form to ultimate the One and the ONLY One the Formless. Path of Upasana is only a prelude. So it is to be distinctly understood that Ambaa will not give Advaitha Mukthy directly but out of Her grace turn him towards that path or turn the Upasaka to wards Sathya Loka or Brahma Loka which is a world of purity,peace and happiness. For one who reaches there there will be no desire, enemity,disease etc and to attain Moksha from that status it takes the age of Hiranya Garbha or 100 of years of him to become united with Brahman.  Pujya Rajam Mami out of Her compassion used to tell me –  “ There is no use of Sri Vidya Upasana without understanding  the  Vedanta .   With Warm Regards  Ganapathy -- Vijyalakshmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I am not sure whether the words and statement that have been marked in asterisk has been read superficially. Kindly ponder on the 2 words Visualization & Experience once again sir. Visualisation & Experience of: 1) Prakasa & Vimarsa which is Guru tattva 2) Unmani & Manonmani avastha (needless to mention about the manana & chintana of panchadasi as per 15 bhedas as mentioned in Varivasya Rahasya especially the Kaulikartha & Mahavakyartha Chintana)- which is mantra chintana 3) Nitya anusandhana of Chit tattva in Hridaya Akasa (3rd aspect of Tripurasundari among sthula, sukshma & para rupas) 4) Atma Vichara(the nija rupa siva tattva of the upasaka). Does not these 4 aspects lead the upasaka to the jivanmukta sthithi? If upasana is meant as kumkumarchana to sriyantra and doing panchadasi japa without knowing the meaning, then that person's understanding is wrong. If Manidwipa is something an external loka somewhere above in the heaven where Tripurasundari sports with 4 hands and enjoying the the dance of damsels, also it is wrong. For this, the Bhavanopanishad Bhashya has to be referred. I need not repeat this again. Now what exactly is the *Upasana* has already been mentioned in Brahmasutra Bhashya & Chandogya Upanishad Bhashya by Acharya Sankara and also referred by Shri Bhaskara in Saubhagya Bhaskara. I need not reiterate them. With due respects to Smt. Rajam Mami, i would like to say that Srividya, per se, is the moksha vidya and definitely has to be correlated with Vedanta rahasya. And that is what is mentioned by Shri Bhaskara in the sampradaya artha, kaulika artha & mahavakyartha rahasyas of Varivasya Rahasya. The one who has *experienced* (again in asterisk) this is a Srividya Upasaka Siddha otherwise called Jivanmukta. iti shrI chanDI bhakta pAda reNu... sriram , ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: > > > Sri Sriram wrote : >  >  >  > This sort of chaturvidha- aikhya-bhAvana of Guru, Mantra, Devata & Antaratma is called as *Srividya Upasana* (vide reference Saubhagya Bhaskara of Shri Bhaskararaya Makhin). > > The *visualization* and *experience* of such unified principle among these 4 components is the *Srividya Upasana Siddhi*. > > To such a Srividya Upasaka Siromani, after having experienced his *prArabha karma*, sheds his mortal coil and leaves for Manidwipa - the above of Tripurasundari never to return back to this mundane world. In other words, such a siddha purusha is a Jivanmukta who would not be born again. > >  > Sriram >  >  >  >  >  > Namasthe. >  >  > The observation by the author of the mail - that the Sadhak attains “ JivanMuktha†status is excessively loose and misleading statement. The author is right while saying that the Sadhak  may go to Manidwipa which is a Brahma Lokam and not be born but to attain Moksha is not as per scriptures ,as I understand by the reading “ Deivathhin Kural†by Maha Periyavaal. >  > Let us see what Maha Swamy says in this regard. >  > By performing Bhakthy and Karma one does not become automatically a Jivan Muktha. It helps us in removing the impurities of Mind which has been subject to Vasanas of several Janmas . Sri Vidya Upasana is done through Mind and Upasana could only bring Chittha Suddhi and would lead you to the Next stage to the practice  towards  Advaitha Siddhy. >  > To get the Advaitha Siddhy the very Mind is discarded with the help of which Upasana was done. It is not easy and is like a revolver shooting itself. The thought process to stop and which has been a continuous one for several births . has to initiate and intensify the process of destruction by Ambal’s Grace. >  > The Nirguna Brahman or Athma is only permanent and capable of being helpful to reach us that permanent thing. Rest everything is impermanent. There are many things like Atma sastras,upadesas of great men, upasana which induce pure attitude and these are not atma. >  > Maha Periyavaal says that even if AMBAAL appears before us and keeps us on Her lap they too are not permanent experience like the unfolding of SELF. But they are definitely capable of giving grace and taking near to it. There are several things which appear to be good for the time being but which in effect would take far away from Atma. Lord Yama utters to Swatha kethu that He had attained what is permanent through things which are impermanent. >  >  > To conclude an upasaka, By Ambaal’s grace  engages himself finally in the Atma Vichara. It is only a spiritual transformation from upasana of a form to ultimate the One and the ONLY One the Formless. Path of Upasana is only a prelude. So it is to be distinctly understood that Ambaa will not give Advaitha Mukthy directly but out of Her grace turn him towards that path or turn the Upasaka to wards Sathya Loka or Brahma Loka which is a world of purity,peace and happiness. For one who reaches there there will be no desire, enemity,disease etc and to attain Moksha from that status it takes the age of Hiranya Garbha or 100 of years of him to become united with Brahman. >  > Pujya Rajam Mami out of Her compassion used to tell me †"  “ There is no use of Sri Vidya Upasana without understanding  the  Vedanta . >  >  > With Warm Regards >  > Ganapathy -- Vijyalakshmy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Any upasaka who decries himself insignificant in the srividhya upasana surely cannot reach the peak of the state of being and becoming and cross the limits of even the nirvikalpa samadhi. People say that only such and such a person is a jeevan muktha which state is much much below reality. Let us not be too narrow minded to say so. There are several unknown personalities who have reached the greatest heights in spirituality, leave alone srividhya upasakas. S.SHANGARANARAYANAN sriram_sapthasathi Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:39:24 +0000 Re: Sri Vidya Upasana and Jivan Muktha I am not sure whether the words and statement that have been marked in asterisk has been read superficially. Kindly ponder on the 2 words Visualization & Experience once again sir. Visualisation & Experience of: 1) Prakasa & Vimarsa which is Guru tattva 2) Unmani & Manonmani avastha (needless to mention about the manana & chintana of panchadasi as per 15 bhedas as mentioned in Varivasya Rahasya especially the Kaulikartha & Mahavakyartha Chintana)- which is mantra chintana 3) Nitya anusandhana of Chit tattva in Hridaya Akasa (3rd aspect of Tripurasundari among sthula, sukshma & para rupas) 4) Atma Vichara(the nija rupa siva tattva of the upasaka). Does not these 4 aspects lead the upasaka to the jivanmukta sthithi? If upasana is meant as kumkumarchana to sriyantra and doing panchadasi japa without knowing the meaning, then that person's understanding is wrong. If Manidwipa is something an external loka somewhere above in the heaven where Tripurasundari sports with 4 hands and enjoying the the dance of damsels, also it is wrong. For this, the Bhavanopanishad Bhashya has to be referred. I need not repeat this again. Now what exactly is the *Upasana* has already been mentioned in Brahmasutra Bhashya & Chandogya Upanishad Bhashya by Acharya Sankara and also referred by Shri Bhaskara in Saubhagya Bhaskara. I need not reiterate them. With due respects to Smt. Rajam Mami, i would like to say that Srividya, per se, is the moksha vidya and definitely has to be correlated with Vedanta rahasya. And that is what is mentioned by Shri Bhaskara in the sampradaya artha, kaulika artha & mahavakyartha rahasyas of Varivasya Rahasya. The one who has *experienced* (again in asterisk) this is a Srividya Upasaka Siddha otherwise called Jivanmukta. iti shrI chanDI bhakta pAda reNu... sriram , ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: > > > Sri Sriram wrote : >  >  >  > This sort of chaturvidha- aikhya-bhAvana of Guru, Mantra, Devata & Antaratma is called as *Srividya Upasana* (vide reference Saubhagya Bhaskara of Shri Bhaskararaya Makhin). > > The *visualization* and *experience* of such unified principle among these 4 components is the *Srividya Upasana Siddhi*. > > To such a Srividya Upasaka Siromani, after having experienced his *prArabha karma*, sheds his mortal coil and leaves for Manidwipa - the above of Tripurasundari never to return back to this mundane world. In other words, such a siddha purusha is a Jivanmukta who would not be born again. > >  > Sriram >  >  >  >  >  > Namasthe. >  >  > The observation by the author of the mail - that the Sadhak attains “ JivanMuktha†status is excessively loose and misleading statement. The author is right while saying that the Sadhak  may go to Manidwipa which is a Brahma Lokam and not be born but to attain Moksha is not as per scriptures ,as I understand by the reading “ Deivathhin Kural†by Maha Periyavaal. >  > Let us see what Maha Swamy says in this regard. >  > By performing Bhakthy and Karma one does not become automatically a Jivan Muktha. It helps us in removing the impurities of Mind which has been subject to Vasanas of several Janmas . Sri Vidya Upasana is done through Mind and Upasana could only bring Chittha Suddhi and would lead you to the Next stage to the practice  towards  Advaitha Siddhy. >  > To get the Advaitha Siddhy the very Mind is discarded with the help of which Upasana was done. It is not easy and is like a revolver shooting itself. The thought process to stop and which has been a continuous one for several births . has to initiate and intensify the process of destruction by Ambal’s Grace. >  > The Nirguna Brahman or Athma is only permanent and capable of being helpful to reach us that permanent thing. Rest everything is impermanent. There are many things like Atma sastras,upadesas of great men, upasana which induce pure attitude and these are not atma. >  > Maha Periyavaal says that even if AMBAAL appears before us and keeps us on Her lap they too are not permanent experience like the unfolding of SELF. But they are definitely capable of giving grace and taking near to it. There are several things which appear to be good for the time being but which in effect would take far away from Atma. Lord Yama utters to Swatha kethu that He had attained what is permanent through things which are impermanent. >  >  > To conclude an upasaka, By Ambaal’s grace  engages himself finally in the Atma Vichara. It is only a spiritual transformation from upasana of a form to ultimate the One and the ONLY One the Formless. Path of Upasana is only a prelude. So it is to be distinctly understood that Ambaa will not give Advaitha Mukthy directly but out of Her grace turn him towards that path or turn the Upasaka to wards Sathya Loka or Brahma Loka which is a world of purity,peace and happiness. For one who reaches there there will be no desire, enemity,disease etc and to attain Moksha from that status it takes the age of Hiranya Garbha or 100 of years of him to become united with Brahman. >  > Pujya Rajam Mami out of Her compassion used to tell me †"  “ There is no use of Sri Vidya Upasana without understanding  the  Vedanta . >  >  > With Warm Regards >  > Ganapathy -- Vijyalakshmy > _______________ Missed any of the IPL matches ? Catch a recap of all the action on MSN Videos http://msnvideos.in/iplt20/msnvideoplayer.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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