Shri Chamakam of Rudrashtadyayi......a pure magic of God.

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Om Shri MahaGanapatiye Namah

Om Namo Bhagwate Rudraya

Om Shri Matre Namah

Hari: om.

Pranams to all members,thanks for letting me in dear Admin and Moderators.

Chamakam is very popular among Shiva devotees and it is being said that Devas

wrote this chapter by themselves.I am too small to write or comment on this

honestly but one thing which I found in Chamakam made me to believe supreme

power of God and his lilas.

 

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What Deva or a person doing Yagna asks from God?

List is very long starting from food,mind,cleanliness,strength to chant

mantras,asking to give heaven,asking for soul(jiva),mind-eyes-ears(so should we

assume that Chamakam was written when God decided to give a birth to

universe?ahaaa!)again asking for sons and

grandsons,truth,wealth,animals,mountains,metals,money,assets,medicines,long

life,food,ghee,rain,forests........cows and in last numbers starting from 1 upto

48.

IN short Devas asked everything from God for the new loka in those era which is

now called Prithvi.

God granted all of their wishes and added aditional 2 wishes as per my

belief,can anyone found those 2 great gifts of God to us?

In any case I shall post my reply tomorrow here.

Namaste and may God bless us all.

Jay.

[Guest guest]

Life itself is a virat yajna. In this sacrifice, all the facets of life,

prosperity, material riches etc. become the sacred oblations in the yajna.

Whatever riches are sought, they all become the angas of virat yajna called Life

at Macrocosmic level. At the microcosmic level, one's individual ego is also

offered in the Supreme Ego with the mantra " Atma yajnena kalpatAm, yajno yajnEna

kalpatAm " .

 

Hence, to continue such a virat yajna, the material prosperity in " multiples "

are sought with the mantra " ekA cha me, tisrascha me, pancha cha me, sapta cha

me.... " .

 

The riches thus sought, again, is offered as oblations in the Virat Yajna.

 

Let us try to understand the veda sampradaya and rishi hridaya whose

motto is not " Eat, Drink & be merry for tomorrow we shall not live " .

 

The material riches sought is not for enjoyment and sensual gratification but

for performance of vedic sacrifice.

 

namo rudrAya viShNave mrityurmE pAhi...

 

regs,

sriram

 

 

 

, " aksha.rudra " <aksha.rudra wrote:

>

> Om Shri MahaGanapatiye Namah

> Om Namo Bhagwate Rudraya

> Om Shri Matre Namah

> Hari: om.

> Pranams to all members,thanks for letting me in dear Admin and Moderators.

> Chamakam is very popular among Shiva devotees and it is being said that Devas

wrote this chapter by themselves.I am too small to write or comment on this

honestly but one thing which I found in Chamakam made me to believe supreme

power of God and his lilas.

>

> ------------

> What Deva or a person doing Yagna asks from God?

> List is very long starting from food,mind,cleanliness,strength to chant

mantras,asking to give heaven,asking for soul(jiva),mind-eyes-ears(so should we

assume that Chamakam was written when God decided to give a birth to

universe?ahaaa!)again asking for sons and

grandsons,truth,wealth,animals,mountains,metals,money,assets,medicines,long

life,food,ghee,rain,forests........cows and in last numbers starting from 1 upto

48.

> IN short Devas asked everything from God for the new loka in those era which

is now called Prithvi.

> God granted all of their wishes and added aditional 2 wishes as per my

belief,can anyone found those 2 great gifts of God to us?

> In any case I shall post my reply tomorrow here.

> Namaste and may God bless us all.

> Jay.

>

[Guest guest]

wonderful explanation Sriram and perhaps that is why God gave 2 things which

perhaps have not mentioned in Shri Chamakam and those are.......Mrityu and

Moksha !!

 

Remember heaven is not moksha in my feeling as there can be more than 1 heaven

in real sence like Shivaloka,Vaikunth loka,Brahma loka etc..depending upon our

worship and our wish(yes wish because we all use different worshiping methods

for different deities).Pranam

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

 

Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

Re: Shri Chamakam of Rudrashtadyayi......a pure magic of God.

 

Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 5:44 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Life itself is a virat yajna. In this sacrifice, all the facets of life,

prosperity, material riches etc. become the sacred oblations in the yajna.

Whatever riches are sought, they all become the angas of virat yajna called Life

at Macrocosmic level. At the microcosmic level, one's individual ego is also

offered in the Supreme Ego with the mantra " Atma yajnena kalpatAm, yajno yajnEna

kalpatAm " .

 

 

 

Hence, to continue such a virat yajna, the material prosperity in " multiples "

are sought with the mantra " ekA cha me, tisrascha me, pancha cha me, sapta cha

me.... " .

 

 

 

The riches thus sought, again, is offered as oblations in the Virat Yajna.

 

 

 

Let us try to understand the veda sampradaya and rishi hridaya whose

 

motto is not " Eat, Drink & be merry for tomorrow we shall not live " .

 

 

 

The material riches sought is not for enjoyment and sensual gratification but

for performance of vedic sacrifice.

 

 

 

namo rudrAya viShNave mrityurmE pAhi...

 

 

 

regs,

 

sriram

 

 

 

@ .com, " aksha.rudra " <aksha.rudra@ ...> wrote:

 

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> Om Shri MahaGanapatiye Namah

 

> Om Namo Bhagwate Rudraya

 

> Om Shri Matre Namah

 

> Hari: om.

 

> Pranams to all members,thanks for letting me in dear Admin and Moderators.

 

> Chamakam is very popular among Shiva devotees and it is being said that Devas

wrote this chapter by themselves.I am too small to write or comment on this

honestly but one thing which I found in Chamakam made me to believe supreme

power of God and his lilas.

 

>

 

> ------------

 

> What Deva or a person doing Yagna asks from God?

 

> List is very long starting from food,mind,cleanline ss,strength to chant

mantras,asking to give heaven,asking for soul(jiva),mind- eyes-ears( so should

we assume that Chamakam was written when God decided to give a birth to

universe?ahaaa! )again asking for sons and grandsons,truth, wealth,animals,

mountains, metals,money, assets,medicines ,long life,food,ghee, rain,forests.

........cows and in last numbers starting from 1 upto 48.

 

> IN short Devas asked everything from God for the new loka in those era which

is now called Prithvi.

 

> God granted all of their wishes and added aditional 2 wishes as per my

belief,can anyone found those 2 great gifts of God to us?

 

> In any case I shall post my reply tomorrow here.

 

> Namaste and may God bless us all.

 

> Jay.

 

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Dear all

 

Pardon my ignorance.

 

If vedas, are apourusheya and orignated from God, why would there be a

" chamakam " asking for all sorts of things.Who is asking whom?

 

Was chamakam a later introduction by " somebody " other than HIM?

 

Once again, pardon my ignorance.

 

sri hari

Gopi

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Asking is not a crime Gopi,pardon me but try to see us and Shivites related

matters with a neutral vision,check purana and veda/upanishada and you will

find number of examples of devi and devatas asking something and sharing them.

Now about your query on  " HIM " ,in my original post I clearly wrote a word DEVA

and not GOD,I have learnt that this maha pavitra Chamakam was written by Devas

so what I or We understand is Devas are asking to " HIM " i.e God,hope you now

have some idea what I was talking.

If we do not understand the inner meaning of scripts its our fault,Shimad

Bhagvad Gita was a dialogue between Shri Krishna and Arjun as we know but it is

always applicable for me or anybudy else even though I or we are not Arjun!

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

 

 

Gopi <antarurjas

Re: Re: Shri Chamakam of Rudrashtadyayi......a pure magic of

God.

 

Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 10:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all

 

Pardon my ignorance.

 

If vedas, are apourusheya and orignated from God, why would there be a

" chamakam " asking for all sorts of things.Who is asking whom?

 

Was chamakam a later introduction by " somebody " other than HIM?

 

Once again, pardon my ignorance.

 

sri hari

Gopi

 

 

[Guest guest]

Who is later to whom?

 

The Smrithis such as Bhagavat Geetha says of the jeeva: ‘na jaayathE

mriyathE vaa’ (it is unborn and undying), ‘naadhatthe kasyachithpaapam’ (it

is not affected by anyone’s paapam) ‘kshethragnam chaapi maam viddhi’ (The

individual Self is the same as the Universal Self), ‘samam sarvEshu

bhoothEshu’ (the same in all beings) ‘utthama: purushathvanya:’ (this

Purusha is different).

 

Now please tell me if you would like to doubt if chamakam was a later

introduction by " somebody " other than HIM.

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

 

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>

> Dear all

>

> Pardon my ignorance.

>

> If vedas, are apourusheya and orignated from God, why would there be a

> " chamakam " asking for all sorts of things.Who is asking whom?

>

> Was chamakam a later introduction by " somebody " other than HIM?

>

> Once again, pardon my ignorance.

>

> sri hari

> Gopi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let us consider with the example " Newton's Law of Gravity " .

 

The phenomena of Gravitation existed since times immemorial, also before the

birth of Issac Newton and would exist in Future.

 

But it was Newton who " Observed " this phenomena when apple was falling down from

the tree. And thus propounded the Law of Gravitation with the formula:

 

F = G x m1*m2/r*r

 

The apple might have fallen " n " number of times to reinforce the Law of

Gravitation, but, went unnoticed by " ordinary " folks.

 

So, what needs to be observed is that Law of Gravitation " Exists " which is

" apoursheya " and to express this Law, Newton used the syllables F,G,m1,m2 & r.

 

Similarly, veda darShana bhAga. The tattva behind the mantra darShana is

" apaursheya " which is like Gravity Force. And the sabda revealed during the

mantra darshana is the ONLY pramana here to grasp the tattva. Sabda Pramana is

taken to be the final authority here.

 

So, if according to some of our members, if the riches sought in Chamaka is just

mundane material riches, then what about the riches sought by the Mantra Drashta

Ananda, Kardama, Chiklita in Srisukta when they seek the " Sri " in " Sriyam vasaya

me kule.. " , " jatavedo ma (mama) avaha... "

 

Basically, Veda falls in 5 categories ie., 1) vidhi 2) Nishedha 3) Mantra 4)

Anupavada 5) Arthavada

 

Some of the " mundane " aspects of veda fall in the category of Anupavada &

Arthavada, but it is taken to be as pramana to know the " unknown " or the mantra

darshana tattva.

 

In a virAt yajnA, when the virAt puruSha rUpa Agni is extolled to pacify by

gracing the yajamAna with aghOra rUpa with namaka pATha, naturally the yajamAna

would ask the " yajna phala " subsequently for well-being of the world - animate &

inanimate.

 

Let us try to understand the sanatana dharma & rishi hridaya, which i reiterate

that our ancient rishis of yore were most compassionate beings who didn't care

for their personal wants & riches. Their vision was " vasudhaika kutumbakam " and

this samashti tattva was extolled in chamaka as " mE " . They were constantly

bent upon doing Yajna was universal peace. The objective of chaturvarna is

explained in Brh.Upa saying that 1) brahmanas were meant for yajna 2) kshatriyas

should protect these yajamans 3) vaishyas should procure the said riches which

some of the members here think as " mundane " and offer them as oblations in Yajna

4) Shudras should strive to procure somalata (soma creeper) for soma rasa in the

Yajna for brahmanas. Thus, the 4 varnas would coordinate and cooperate with

each other for the continuation of the yajna.

 

shrI gurupAdukA me gatih....

sriram

 

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>

> Dear all

>

> Pardon my ignorance.

>

> If vedas, are apourusheya and orignated from God, why would there be a

" chamakam " asking for all sorts of things.Who is asking whom?

>

> Was chamakam a later introduction by " somebody " other than HIM?

>

> Once again, pardon my ignorance.

>

> sri hari

> Gopi

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