Moksha - Jnana.

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Namaste,

I found an interesting discussion happening. Let me know your

thoughts.

 

Many upanishads say that Moksha is achieved only by Jnana. " jnandeva tu

kaivalyam'. In Chapter 7 of B Gita Sri Krishna says that there are many janmas

for a Jnani to become one with the supreme. Quote: " bahunaam janma namante

jnavan maam prapadyate " . So after realizing that " I am BRAHMAN " , there is still

handful of janmas to reach him.

 

However there is a strong belief that for Srividya Upasakas the present janma is

the last janma. Probably this is not an universal truth. The reason is as

follows:

 

We all understand Srividya as a Upasana path. By definition Upasana helps a

sadhaka to realize that he is Brahman eventually (not necessarily in this

janma). Upasana being a karma cannot make a Sadhaka realize Jnana directly.

Having done Upasana for a long period, a sadhaka will be either born here or in

Brahma loka where he will be preached about Brahma Jnana.

 

In summary, it is important that a Sadhaka kills all his kartrutva, jnatrutva

and bhoktrutva to realize he is Brahman. To achieve this Upasana helps.

 

Regards

Shashi

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sashi,

 

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However there is a strong belief that for Srividya Upasakas the present janma is

the last janma. Probably this is not an universal truth. The reason is as

follows:

 

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Good upasakas like you should not quote like this out of context.

 

This has been dealt long ago by me in a post with a title " Srividya &

Jivanmukti " . Here are some excerpts from that:

 

There are 4 chief components in Srividya ie., Guru (dIkSha guru), Mula Vidya

called Mantra, Devata (Tripurasundari) & Atma (Upasaka).

 

Among these 4 components, there is a common underlying principle. In other

words, the same *utkriShTa tattva* when takes the mAnava sarIra becomes Guru;

the same *utkriShTa tattva* when takes the form of nAda becomes the mantra; the

same *utkriShTa tattva* when takes the form of mAya-sabaLa-brahma becomes

devata; the same *utkriShTa tattva* shines as antarAtma in the hridya akasa of

the Jiva. UtkriShTa tattva with the help of pancha kanchukas becomes the Jiva

and thus entangled in Samsara. So, objective of the Srividya is to go back to

the original source (utkriShTa tattva) with the help of the Chatur-vidha Aikya

Bhavana ie., contemplating on the above mentioned components.

 

This sort of chaturvidha-aikhya-bhAvana of Guru, Mantra, Devata & Antaratma is

called as *Srividya Upasana* (vide reference 73-74 slokas of Uttara Pithika of

LS of Saubhagya Bhaskara of Shri Bhaskararaya Makhin).

 

The *Visualization* and *Experience* of such unified principle among these 4

components is the *Srividya Upasana Siddhi*. Now, here visualization &

experience (as per Shri Bhaskaraya Makhin) with respect to the 4 components

imply:

 

1) Guru = Prakasa & Vimarsa

2) Mula Vidya = Transcending the avasthas like Unmani & Manonmani as per

Varivasya Rahasya especially the Kaulikartha & Mahavakyartha Chintana)- which is

mantra chintana

3) Devata = Nitya anusandhana of Chit tattva in Dahara / Hridaya Akasa (3rd

aspect of Tripurasundari among sthula, sukshma & para rupas)

4) Atma (Upasaka) = Experiencing the Siva tattva in himself

 

Thus, Shri Bhaskaraya Makhin says that such a Srividya Upasaka who has

" visualized " & " experienced " the above components of Srividya attains Jivanmukti

which would be the Last Birth for him.

 

So, the slokas like " charame janmani cha Srividya " which forms the 73-75 slokas

of of uttara bhaga are not exaggerations but were directed to such Upasaka who

constantly reflects on the above chaturvidha-aikya and abide in the *utkriShTa

tattva* which is *Parasiva Tattva*.

 

Regs,

Sriram

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Sriram,

Thanks for the detailed mail on this subject. I missed your last conversation on

this probably I was not in this group when you sent this. The below description

definitely matches my understanding.

 

Just want to quote Sankara's Bhashya to re-iterate what has been told below.

 

To realize God you need to have the following 4. This is what is called as

Sadhana Samapathi. This is fundamental lakshanas a sadhaka should have

 

 

* Nitya anitya vastu viveka - this will tell that you should have viveka

to consider what is nitya and what is anitya. You are told not to engross

yourself on anitya objects in this world.

 

* Iha amutra artha phala bhoga viragaha - this is VAIRAGYA. Iha means

here. Amutra means swargaadi loka. Have vairagya.

 

* Shamadi shatka sampathi - shama, dama, titiksha, uparathi, shraddha ,

samadhana. - I can give explanations (if required)

 

* Mumukshatwa - a deep desire for moksha

 

We can verify where we are by checking our svabhava (gunas) against the

top ones. A sadhaka having above lakshanas will do nishakaama karma for a long

period. He is called Arurukshu. Arurukshu having obtained Chitta Shuddhi will be

eligible to do DHYANA and he is called ArooDa. After becoming ArooDa, he

achieves what is called Jnana Nista. In Shudda Jnana a sadhaka stays (atmani

yeva atmana tustaha BGita Chapter 2). He will not be outside of Shudda Jnana and

he is referred as Jnani and this Jnani will have handful of janmas before

reaching HIM. This is what is explained in Bahunam Janma namante Jnaavan maam

prapadyate.... So it becomes immaterial for such people whether there is a

janma or not. They neither welcome it nor curse it.

 

 

Regards

Shashi

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Venkata Sriram

Saturday, April 03, 2010 5:25 PM

 

Re: Moksha - Jnana.

 

 

 

Dear Sashi,

 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

However there is a strong belief that for Srividya Upasakas the present janma is

the last janma. Probably this is not an universal truth. The reason is as

follows:

 

>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Good upasakas like you should not quote like this out of context.

 

This has been dealt long ago by me in a post with a title " Srividya &

Jivanmukti " . Here are some excerpts from that:

 

There are 4 chief components in Srividya ie., Guru (dIkSha guru), Mula Vidya

called Mantra, Devata (Tripurasundari) & Atma (Upasaka).

 

Among these 4 components, there is a common underlying principle. In other

words, the same *utkriShTa tattva* when takes the mAnava sarIra becomes Guru;

the same *utkriShTa tattva* when takes the form of nAda becomes the mantra; the

same *utkriShTa tattva* when takes the form of mAya-sabaLa-brahma becomes

devata; the same *utkriShTa tattva* shines as antarAtma in the hridya akasa of

the Jiva. UtkriShTa tattva with the help of pancha kanchukas becomes the Jiva

and thus entangled in Samsara. So, objective of the Srividya is to go back to

the original source (utkriShTa tattva) with the help of the Chatur-vidha Aikya

Bhavana ie., contemplating on the above mentioned components.

 

This sort of chaturvidha-aikhya-bhAvana of Guru, Mantra, Devata & Antaratma is

called as *Srividya Upasana* (vide reference 73-74 slokas of Uttara Pithika of

LS of Saubhagya Bhaskara of Shri Bhaskararaya Makhin).

 

The *Visualization* and *Experience* of such unified principle among these 4

components is the *Srividya Upasana Siddhi*. Now, here visualization &

experience (as per Shri Bhaskaraya Makhin) with respect to the 4 components

imply:

 

1) Guru = Prakasa & Vimarsa

2) Mula Vidya = Transcending the avasthas like Unmani & Manonmani as per

Varivasya Rahasya especially the Kaulikartha & Mahavakyartha Chintana)- which is

mantra chintana

3) Devata = Nitya anusandhana of Chit tattva in Dahara / Hridaya Akasa (3rd

aspect of Tripurasundari among sthula, sukshma & para rupas)

4) Atma (Upasaka) = Experiencing the Siva tattva in himself

 

Thus, Shri Bhaskaraya Makhin says that such a Srividya Upasaka who has

" visualized " & " experienced " the above components of Srividya attains Jivanmukti

which would be the Last Birth for him.

 

So, the slokas like " charame janmani cha Srividya " which forms the 73-75 slokas

of of uttara bhaga are not exaggerations but were directed to such Upasaka who

constantly reflects on the above chaturvidha-aikya and abide in the *utkriShTa

tattva* which is *Parasiva Tattva*.

 

Regs,

Sriram

 

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