Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Previously I remarked : Now what triggers me to respond to naresh68 remarks is when he come here and say " I am pious " I don't know I do have problem with such statement. Why I finds it a problem with this statement? I have the sudden urge to talk about this. It reminds me of the many who come our way here in the group. " I have attained self realization " . " I've gone through it all " or I remember a young lady who came here remarked " Now I can say that I'm quite good in Hinduism knowledge " How often have I've encountered this statement as I chatted with people: " I'm told in my previous life I'm a high priest from Tibet…. Or I think maybe in my previous life, I'm a high cast Brahmin, and I treated the lower caste person badly… maybe that is why I'm back here to learn humility etc…. " At one moment we talk about humility.. to accept others equally but at the back of our mind, we have this fancy thoughts of ourselves being a high caste or high priest etc. The other day I was giving my Guru a hard time I think [in fact I was teasing him] because he love to tell me this: " You are just great!! My greatest disciple. No that's serious " I responded " you keep on repeating this over and over again. Why? You want to convince me? " I know he meant well, but you see what my mind has been trying to do to me as soon as I read his statement. It immediately takes these words and repeats it over and over again: you are great he says, you are his best. Isn't this a trap? The mind influence by the ego trying to cast a net around you. Most often evil takes hold of us when we are trap and couldn't find our way out. It's much easier to nurse another person's wound but it is much more difficult to dress our own wounds especially deep wounds. When we see the dirt or the dead cells or the infected slough, do we have the courage enough to remove them, to slice them off from our flesh, to let it bleed so that the new cells can grow? The same it's much easier to escape the trappings of others, but will we be able to see our own trap? Another question just came up : Why would the mind set it own trap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 All can be a trap this way or the other. Sometimes one needs to calculate ones own strength to see whether one is fit for a task or not. It doesn´t help one the least to overestimate ones ability nor is it helpful to underestimate. If you have to do manual work it is easier to come to a correct estimation of your abilities, in spiritual matters estimation is more complicated, and you are correct i know many cases of people like you mentionend. Mayn people even use the religious or spiritual environment because they are unsucessful in worldly life and can pretend to be somebody important in spiritual matters just by pretending to be more evolved and thus compensate failure. On the other hand one can have genuine spiritual experiences and powers that can be proven. Here it gets a little complicated when one is completly dedicated to avoid siddhis at all cost because they are somehow considered a lesser goal. I think if one still cares so much about one own self importance to be upset about whether one is humble or proud in a given situation one is still trapped in mind games. One´s entrapment is even worse when one is caught up so much in worldly matters as to give a damm whether other people are humble or proud or whatever. As of late a lot of SVU from Gurus down to shisyas have cared a lot about the state of mind of others, most of the time rather unimportant persons to ones own sadhana this has only shown to me how little attainment is available to human beings in Kali Yuga even under the best circumstances. What is the worth of doing all the complicated Navavarana Pujas and Nyasas Parayanas and Kriyas and study of all the shastras and having great and glorious Guru Lineages etc if the mind is still mainly occupied withvisons of ones own greatness attachment and ego? Then if this Situation in Kali Yuga is like that why react so harsh when one says he is praying twice a day to Mahashakti? Isn´t that very humble compared to how some Gurus act lately? Anybody in need of a gold coin with my face on it? He can come to me i will cram it up his ass! Maharadanatha , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote: > > Previously I remarked : Now what triggers me to respond to naresh68 > remarks is when he come here and say " I am pious " I don't know I do > have problem with such statement. > > Why I finds it a problem with this statement? I have the sudden > urge to talk about this. It reminds me of the many who come our way > here in the group. " I have attained self realization " . " I've gone > through it all " or I remember a young lady who came here > remarked " Now I can say that I'm quite good in Hinduism knowledge " > > How often have I've encountered this statement as I chatted with > people: " I'm told in my previous life I'm a high priest from Tibet…. > Or I think maybe in my previous life, I'm a high cast Brahmin, and > I treated the lower caste person badly… maybe that is why I'm back > here to learn humility etc…. " At one moment we talk about humility.. > to accept others equally but at the back of our mind, we have this > fancy thoughts of ourselves being a high caste or high priest etc. > > The other day I was giving my Guru a hard time I think [in fact I > was teasing him] because he love to tell me this: " You are just > great!! My greatest disciple. No that's serious " I responded " you > keep on repeating this over and over again. Why? You want to > convince me? " I know he meant well, but you see what my mind has > been trying to do to me as soon as I read his statement. It > immediately takes these words and repeats it over and over again: > you are great he says, you are his best. > > Isn't this a trap? The mind influence by the ego trying to cast a > net around you. Most often evil takes hold of us when we are trap > and couldn't find our way out. > > It's much easier to nurse another person's wound but it is much more > difficult to dress our own wounds especially deep wounds. When we > see the dirt or the dead cells or the infected slough, do we have > the courage enough to remove them, to slice them off from our flesh, > to let it bleed so that the new cells can grow? The same it's much > easier to escape the trappings of others, but will we be able to see > our own trap? > > Another question just came up : Why would the mind set it own trap? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Here is what I think of your message. Its based on watching discovery channel. When somebody tells you a statement like " I have attained self realization " . " I've gone through it all " or " Now I can say that I'm quite good in Hinduism knowledge " ,A deeper analysis is needed. It maybe to raise his or her own self esteem. Its might not be wrong to have such a perception. It is to boost the esteem. It is something we all need. Suppose your not doing well at work, home sucks and you don't have a friend. Its healthy to channel yourself into something you like and increase your esteem. It may be cooking, sports or anything around you that your good at. But for the above people are into spirituality. I don't see using spirituality wrong to fall back on and to give an increase esteem which leads to a sense of well being. But sometimes perceptions can get exaggerated. It varies with different people. This process is important because its a defence mechanism to increase your self worth. It prevents depression, anxiety and a whole lot of other physical problems. When you have nothing to fall back on, then depression is the first to set in. So there is nothing wrong with proclaiming (to some extent) we are spiritual, honest, athletic, talented, etc etc. Its good that you identify these positive aspects about yourself. But it becomes a very serious problem if somebody keeps on bragging or presents a totally distorted image of themselves or to become narcissistic. A mystic once commented that its really difficult to get rid of the ego. Even when think you lost all your ego, it's a deception, to think you have no ego is being egoistic. So Nora in your case, the thought " Im are the best " seem egoistic to you. You might have shunned it. Suppose you counter the thought and make yourself believe " Im not like that, im not egoistic " . But I think its takes a greater amount ego to perceive " Im not like that, im not egoistic " so as to counter the the thought " im the best " . So can you escape the trap? Don't get me wrong . Im also not saying shunning the thought " Im are the best " is wrong. I have no answer. There are traps all over the place. Its difficult to escape. It's the work of millions of years of evolution that has made brain what it is. It aim is to protect itself and ensure our survival. Ego is a part of it. > > > > Previously I remarked : Now what triggers me to respond to naresh68 > > remarks is when he come here and say " I am pious " I don't know I > do > > have problem with such statement. > > > > Why I finds it a problem with this statement? I have the sudden > > urge to talk about this. It reminds me of the many who come our way > > here in the group. " I have attained self realization " . " I've gone > > through it all " or I remember a young lady who came here > > remarked " Now I can say that I'm quite good in Hinduism knowledge " > > > > How often have I've encountered this statement as I chatted with > > people: " I'm told in my previous life I'm a high priest from Tibet…. > > Or I think maybe in my previous life, I'm a high cast Brahmin, and > > I treated the lower caste person badly… maybe that is why I'm back > > here to learn humility etc…. " At one moment we talk about > humility.. > > to accept others equally but at the back of our mind, we have this > > fancy thoughts of ourselves being a high caste or high priest etc. > > > > The other day I was giving my Guru a hard time I think [in fact I > > was teasing him] because he love to tell me this: " You are just > > great!! My greatest disciple. No that's serious " I responded " you > > keep on repeating this over and over again. Why? You want to > > convince me? " I know he meant well, but you see what my mind has > > been trying to do to me as soon as I read his statement. It > > immediately takes these words and repeats it over and over again: > > you are great he says, you are his best. > > > > Isn't this a trap? The mind influence by the ego trying to cast a > > net around you. Most often evil takes hold of us when we are trap > > and couldn't find our way out. > > > > It's much easier to nurse another person's wound but it is much > more > > difficult to dress our own wounds especially deep wounds. When we > > see the dirt or the dead cells or the infected slough, do we have > > the courage enough to remove them, to slice them off from our > flesh, > > to let it bleed so that the new cells can grow? The same it's much > > easier to escape the trappings of others, but will we be able to > see > > our own trap? > > > > Another question just came up : Why would the mind set it own trap? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Said Angelus Silesius: " I know not what I am, I am not what I know; Everything and nothing, a circle and a point. " People can take pride in their accomplishments, but then they might ask, " What was it that did this thing? " Sri Mata, Sri Maharajni, Sri Mat Simhasaniswari... , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote: > > Previously I remarked : Now what triggers me to respond to naresh68 > remarks is when he come here and say " I am pious " I don't know I do > have problem with such statement. > > Why I finds it a problem with this statement? I have the sudden > urge to talk about this. It reminds me of the many who come our way > here in the group. " I have attained self realization " . " I've gone > through it all " or I remember a young lady who came here > remarked " Now I can say that I'm quite good in Hinduism knowledge " > > How often have I've encountered this statement as I chatted with > people: " I'm told in my previous life I'm a high priest from Tibet…. > Or I think maybe in my previous life, I'm a high cast Brahmin, and > I treated the lower caste person badly… maybe that is why I'm back > here to learn humility etc…. " At one moment we talk about humility.. > to accept others equally but at the back of our mind, we have this > fancy thoughts of ourselves being a high caste or high priest etc. > > The other day I was giving my Guru a hard time I think [in fact I > was teasing him] because he love to tell me this: " You are just > great!! My greatest disciple. No that's serious " I responded " you > keep on repeating this over and over again. Why? You want to > convince me? " I know he meant well, but you see what my mind has > been trying to do to me as soon as I read his statement. It > immediately takes these words and repeats it over and over again: > you are great he says, you are his best. > > Isn't this a trap? The mind influence by the ego trying to cast a > net around you. Most often evil takes hold of us when we are trap > and couldn't find our way out. > > It's much easier to nurse another person's wound but it is much more > difficult to dress our own wounds especially deep wounds. When we > see the dirt or the dead cells or the infected slough, do we have > the courage enough to remove them, to slice them off from our flesh, > to let it bleed so that the new cells can grow? The same it's much > easier to escape the trappings of others, but will we be able to see > our own trap? > > Another question just came up : Why would the mind set it own trap? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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