Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the home. And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, there remains no desire unfulfilled. " I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the meru and feel the same way? Wanna be a bhakta of the Devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Hello WBABOTD: For clarification, the Devipuram Maha Merus to which you refer were made available during the recent Shata Meru Puja for those who wished to help sponsor the puja and, in return, receive one of the Merus that had been installed and worshiped by all throughout the event. All of those Merus were made of bronze with a coat of pure gold. As noted on the Devipuram web site: " The special cost for sponsoring and securing the Meru for this event only is as follows: 1. Rs. 30,000 (US $675) for the 10in.X 10 in.X 5in Meru 2. Rs. 10,000 (US $225) for the 5in. X 5in. X 2.5in Meru There will be an upward revision in the price of the Merus after this event. " If I read your post correctly, you are saying that you obtained one of these Merus at the event (so, about six weeks ago?) and now you are complaining that you are not yet seeing the miraculous results " promised " by Guruji. " I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this, " you grumble. " And am wondering -- whatever happened???? " What can I say? Did you check the batteries? Have you taken it to the shop to see if it's defective? Have you looked into a trade-in, refund or upgrade? Did you purchase the extended warranty? Or do you simply fear you got stuck with an expensive doorstop? Well -- if all else fails -- here's little idea for you to consider. Try reading Kochu's statement from another thread, just yesterday: " When you have doubts NOTHING happens. If we have FULL FAITH 'miracles' happen. " Or read Nora's from a day earlier: " Everything boils down to your intention, sincerity and most important of all, your BELIEF or FAITH. If you dont have complete faith, no matter how many thousand times you recite, nothing will come your way. " You never know. Maybe they're on to something? DB , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > Hello! > > I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a steep Rupees 10,000 > and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does no puja, just keeping it > in the home attracts all good to the home. And if one worships the > Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, there remains no desire > unfulfilled. " > > I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering > whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the meru > and feel the same way? > > Wanna be a bhakta of the Devi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the home. And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, there remains no desire unfulfilled. " > I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the meru and feel the same way? I like to share a story abt the Meru. About 2 or 3 yrs ago my husband and me participate in a pooja during the month of Aadi in Nageshwari temple. Its a whole day event : from morning till evening. In return we were given the Meru as a gift. I dont believe in buying the meru or the sri yantra from any shop. I told my husband if these are meant to come to us, they will come in their own unique way and make their way on our pooja table. So when we got the Meru, I wanted to place it on the pooja table but my husband said " No the pooja table is already crowded. If the Meru comes in, somebody else on the table will have to go " And so I just left it as it is. At the end of the month of Aadi, Saturday and my husband did his usual cleaning up of the pooja room, and I went to Nageshwari temple for the temple festival. I came back, my husband was in " confuse " state. He was walking around the house searching for something. When I ask him, he said the Madonna with the child he normally place on the pooja table have gone missing. All he can remember is that he place all of them on the table in the middle of the dinning room, and was cleaning and dressing them up after the abishegam. He just went into the pooja room to prepare the place before placing the deities back on the table. Madonna and the child gone missing. Guess who eventually took over Madonna's place? Weather it does bring in good or blessings, this incident reinforce my faith in the Meru. It doesnt have to be from Devipuram or anywhere. All Meru are auspicious and should be treated as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote: > > --- In , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " > <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi@> wrote: > > > > Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus > from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a > steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns > away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does > no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the home. > And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, > there remains no desire unfulfilled. " > > > I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering > whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the > meru > and feel the same way? > > > I like to share a story abt the Meru. > > About 2 or 3 yrs ago my husband and me participate in a pooja during > the month of Aadi in Nageshwari temple. Its a whole day event : from > morning till evening. In return we were given the Meru as a gift. I > dont believe in buying the meru or the sri yantra from any shop. I > told my husband if these are meant to come to us, they will come in > their own unique way and make their way on our pooja table. So when > we got the Meru, I wanted to place it on the pooja table but my > husband said " No the pooja table is already crowded. If the Meru > comes in, somebody else on the table will have to go " And so I just > left it as it is. At the end of the month of Aadi, Saturday and my > husband did his usual cleaning up of the pooja room, and I went to > Nageshwari temple for the temple festival. I came back, my husband > was in " confuse " state. He was walking around the house searching > for something. When I ask him, he said the Madonna with the child he > normally place on the pooja table have gone missing. All he can > remember is that he place all of them on the table in the middle of > the dinning room, and was cleaning and dressing them up after the > abishegam. He just went into the pooja room to prepare the place > before placing the deities back on the table. Madonna and the child > gone missing. > > Guess who eventually took over Madonna's place? > > Weather it does bring in good or blessings, this incident reinforce > my faith in the Meru. It doesnt have to be from Devipuram or > anywhere. All Meru are auspicious and should be treated as such. > Sorry, I like to rephrase this sentence again : ..... this incident reinforce my faith in the Meru. All Meru's are auspicious and should be treated as such, what more if it comes from Devi temple. Its like DEVI's gift to the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Hello Devi Bhakta, You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall again. Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that WBABOTD , " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta wrote: > > Hello WBABOTD: > > For clarification, the Devipuram Maha Merus to which you refer were > made available during the recent Shata Meru Puja for those who wished > to help sponsor the puja and, in return, receive one of the Merus that > had been installed and worshiped by all throughout the event. > > All of those Merus were made of bronze with a coat of pure gold. As > noted on the Devipuram web site: > > " The special cost for sponsoring and securing the Meru for this event > only is as follows: > > 1. Rs. 30,000 (US $675) for the 10in.X 10 in.X 5in Meru > 2. Rs. 10,000 (US $225) for the 5in. X 5in. X 2.5in Meru > > There will be an upward revision in the price of the Merus after this > event. " > > If I read your post correctly, you are saying that you obtained one of > these Merus at the event (so, about six weeks ago?) and now you are > complaining that you are not yet seeing the miraculous results > " promised " by Guruji. > > " I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this, " you grumble. > " And am wondering -- whatever happened???? " > > What can I say? Did you check the batteries? Have you taken it to the > shop to see if it's defective? Have you looked into a trade-in, refund > or upgrade? Did you purchase the extended warranty? Or do you simply > fear you got stuck with an expensive doorstop? > > Well -- if all else fails -- here's little idea for you to consider. > Try reading Kochu's statement from another thread, just yesterday: > > " When you have doubts NOTHING happens. If we have FULL FAITH > 'miracles' happen. " > > Or read Nora's from a day earlier: > > " Everything boils down to your intention, sincerity and most > important of all, your BELIEF or FAITH. If you dont have complete > faith, no matter how many thousand times you recite, nothing will come > your way. " > > You never know. Maybe they're on to something? > > DB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > Hello Devi Bhakta, > > You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and > I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug > me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall > again. > > Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that > > WBABOTD This is what I call a case of a spoilt child. DEVI will only help those who help themselves. Today I brought my daughter for ice skating after such a long time. As I sat there and watch her skate around the ring, I could reflect back the first day she step into the ice skating ring. I was there initially to teach her the first step, but subsequently I left her on her own. I did this because I know if I continue to be there, she will not be progressing on her own. She will be depending on me always expecting me to hold her hand. So subsequently I would just stand outside the ring and look at her. She fall look at me, and I gesture her to " get up! " and try again. And she did. Again she fall and she gets up on her own because she knows her mommy will not come rushing for her anymore. And just look at her today : she is skating on her own, full of confidence and grace. She is so proud of herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Reminds me of a story I heard/read when I was younger. A man was attending a spiritual lecture. The holyman who was giving the upanyasam said, " Brahmam is within every living being. Hurting the other is the same as hurting self. Listen to the words of Brahmam from within, etc etc. " These words were imprinted on the young man's mind. One day he was walking in the woods. He saw an angry tiger in the distance. Then he heard a cowherd who had climbed a high tree, after seeing the tiger. The cowherd yelled, " The tiger is angry, run away. It will hurt you. " Well, our young man thought to himself, " I'm brahmam, the tiger is brahmam. The tiger will not hurt me, because if it does, it is hurting itelf. " He kept on walking towards the tiger, which eventually did what angry tigers do. He laid there dying, and the tiger had left. At that point, a crowd had gathered, and the holyman who lectured about " Brahmam " was also there. The young man looked at the holyman and asked, " You told me everything is brahmam and brahmam must not hurt brahmam. Why did this happen? " The holyman replied, " What you say about brahmam within each living being is true. But, you did not obey the words of Brahmam. " The young man was confused. The holyman replied, " There is Brahmam inside you and the tiger. But there is also Brahmam inside the cowherd who advised you to run away. You did not listen to Brahmam. " So, while waiting for Devi to put you back on the bicycle to follow the path......didn't SHE tell you not to ride the mountain bike on the dirt path? Did someone tell you that the money sent must be for the mahameru puja and not for the physical possession of the object? , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > Hello Devi Bhakta, > > You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and > I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug > me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall > again. > > Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that > > WBABOTD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya. I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings. I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of association and so forth). To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself how cute the little guy is. Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame; maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it a lot better. At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol, as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique results then what u heard is wrong. Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Dear Kartik: The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale. As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system. Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey. A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium, temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is a step ... Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have " an affiliation with Amritananda's parampara/sampradaya " -- but I believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it, NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles. Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in their life. Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those just souls who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been given for years, or lifetimes, to come. ~aim mAtangyai namaH~ , kartik gaurav <omkaaraya wrote: > > This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya. > > I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings. > > I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of association and so forth). > > To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself how cute the little guy is. > > Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame; maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it a lot better. > > At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol, as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique results then what u heard is wrong. > > Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Dear Wanna_Be: I am not mocking you; I do not even know you. I simply found the contents of your post to be both patently absurd and disrespectful to a great Guru and his teachings. Rather than nursing imagined email wounds amd an oversized case of " buyer's regret, " rather than whining about everything from pushy salespeople to the mp3 format as obstacles to your sadhana -- it might be more productive to concentrate on trying to realize the nature and value of what Guruji tried to give you (as detailed at length in another of your posts). Challenge your habitual perceptions and viewpoints; try opening to the experience on offer before you -- and then, perhaps, you'll find yourself ready to drop the " wanna be " from your name and your attitude .... and start actually being it. ~aim mAtangyai namaH~ , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > Hello Devi Bhakta, > > You mock me! Sometimes when I am riding a bike along a dirt road and > I fall down and hurt myself, I would like the Devi to come and hug > me, console me, put me back on the bike and teach me how not to fall > again. > > Faith is built one miracle at a time. I want the Devi to do that > > WBABOTD > > > , " Devi Bhakta " > <devi_bhakta@> wrote: > > > > Hello WBABOTD: > > > > For clarification, the Devipuram Maha Merus to which you refer were > > made available during the recent Shata Meru Puja for those who > wished > > to help sponsor the puja and, in return, receive one of the Merus > that > > had been installed and worshiped by all throughout the event. > > > > All of those Merus were made of bronze with a coat of pure gold. As > > noted on the Devipuram web site: > > > > " The special cost for sponsoring and securing the Meru for this > event > > only is as follows: > > > > 1. Rs. 30,000 (US $675) for the 10in.X 10 in.X 5in Meru > > 2. Rs. 10,000 (US $225) for the 5in. X 5in. X 2.5in Meru > > > > There will be an upward revision in the price of the Merus after > this > > event. " > > > > If I read your post correctly, you are saying that you obtained > one of > > these Merus at the event (so, about six weeks ago?) and now you are > > complaining that you are not yet seeing the miraculous results > > " promised " by Guruji. > > > > " I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this, " you grumble. > > " And am wondering -- whatever happened???? " > > > > What can I say? Did you check the batteries? Have you taken it to > the > > shop to see if it's defective? Have you looked into a trade-in, > refund > > or upgrade? Did you purchase the extended warranty? Or do you > simply > > fear you got stuck with an expensive doorstop? > > > > Well -- if all else fails -- here's little idea for you to > consider. > > Try reading Kochu's statement from another thread, just yesterday: > > > > " When you have doubts NOTHING happens. If we have FULL FAITH > > 'miracles' happen. " > > > > Or read Nora's from a day earlier: > > > > " Everything boils down to your intention, sincerity and most > > important of all, your BELIEF or FAITH. If you dont have complete > > faith, no matter how many thousand times you recite, nothing will > come > > your way. " > > > > You never know. Maybe they're on to something? > > > > DB > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Well yeah....someday we will get them in person yes? On Behalf Of NMadasamy Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:11 AM Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus? , " NMadasamy " <nmadasamy wrote: > > --- In , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " > <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi@> wrote: > > > > Hello! I am wondering if anyone got results with the Maha Merus > from the Kumbha Abhishekam at Devipuram. The largest size cost a > steep Rupees 10,000 and the promo booklet said, " A mere touch burns > away sin like a wad of cotton consumed by a fire. Even if one does > no puja, just keeping it in the home attracts all good to the home. > And if one worships the Supreme Power in the Meru with devotion, > there remains no desire unfulfilled. " > > > I have the Maha Meru in front of me as I write this and am wondering > whatever happened???? Did any one else on this news group buy the > meru > and feel the same way? > > > I like to share a story abt the Meru. > > About 2 or 3 yrs ago my husband and me participate in a pooja during > the month of Aadi in Nageshwari temple. Its a whole day event : from > morning till evening. In return we were given the Meru as a gift. I > dont believe in buying the meru or the sri yantra from any shop. I > told my husband if these are meant to come to us, they will come in > their own unique way and make their way on our pooja table. So when > we got the Meru, I wanted to place it on the pooja table but my > husband said " No the pooja table is already crowded. If the Meru > comes in, somebody else on the table will have to go " And so I just > left it as it is. At the end of the month of Aadi, Saturday and my > husband did his usual cleaning up of the pooja room, and I went to > Nageshwari temple for the temple festival. I came back, my husband > was in " confuse " state. He was walking around the house searching > for something. When I ask him, he said the Madonna with the child he > normally place on the pooja table have gone missing. All he can > remember is that he place all of them on the table in the middle of > the dinning room, and was cleaning and dressing them up after the > abishegam. He just went into the pooja room to prepare the place > before placing the deities back on the table. Madonna and the child > gone missing. > > Guess who eventually took over Madonna's place? > > Weather it does bring in good or blessings, this incident reinforce > my faith in the Meru. It doesnt have to be from Devipuram or > anywhere. All Meru are auspicious and should be treated as such. > Sorry, I like to rephrase this sentence again : ..... this incident reinforce my faith in the Meru. All Meru's are auspicious and should be treated as such, what more if it comes from Devi temple. Its like DEVI's gift to the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 , " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta wrote: > As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious > knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very > technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many > lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a > mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the > experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous > amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. I dispute this. But then maybe i am no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 , " mahahradanatha " <mahahradanatha wrote: *** I dispute this. *** Well, naturally! ;-) *** But then maybe i am no one. *** Anything's possible ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I have seen a Sri Yantra work its way into someone's life and can say that it will treat one as they treat it. On Behalf Of Devi Bhakta Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:40 PM Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus? Dear Kartik: The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale. As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system. Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey. A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium, temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is a step ... Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have " an affiliation with Amritananda's parampara/sampradaya " -- but I believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it, NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles. Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in their life. Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those just souls who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been given for years, or lifetimes, to come. ~aim mAtangyai namaH~ , kartik gaurav <omkaaraya wrote: > > This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya. > > I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings. > > I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of association and so forth). > > To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself how cute the little guy is. > > Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame; maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it a lot better. > > At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol, as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique results then what u heard is wrong. > > Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I do not think anyone is interested in hearing individual opinions on individual gurus. We need only discuss sadhana pls. mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: Please read again what i dispute. In my opinion, Sri Amritanandanath is no scholar or authority on tantra shastra. If people do not see what I see, I will not be able to make them understand what i mean. I believe his revelations are not in accordance with the relevant shastras and more " new age " in style and punctuation, but this is only my personal opinion and I think I am entitled to a personal opinion, even on a list inspired by his work. [NOTE: Indeed it would seem so, Maha. Considering that the bulk of your posts lately are dedicated to insulting and denigrating this list and its members, it's not surprising that you're now taking pot shots at Sri Amritanananda and his work (although I've edited out most of your more mean-spirited comments, so if you feel like griping about that too, here's your evidence). I think it's certainly fair to say that your " personal opinions " get more airplay and tolerance here than they would on any other list you treated similarly. - DB] I am not into politics or have an orthodox bias at all, everybody who has followed my postings here over the years will hopefully know that. I believe that Devipuram is tending to become more and more an outlet for spiritual merchandise of doubtful value. I do not come to a conclusion here and I will watch that and i hope that my impression proves wrong. But the minute I see that Devipuram will print Maha Meru T-shirts I will leave this list. Mahahradanatha , --- In , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > Dear mahahradanatha, > > You are welcome to your views on Guruji. I met him and spent > considerable time with him and guruji amma as well as their three > daughters. They all exude a quiet and powerful energy from years of > sadhana. They are so approachable, so generous in their love, > kindness, attention, knowledge... I have only good things to say > about Guruji and Guruji amma and of course the Devi who has grabbed > me from the stomach, ever since. > > Please keep Guruji and Guruji amma out of all politics. I am > sure there are any number of people who dislike them because they > have made loving the Devi so easy. > > , " mahahradanatha " > <mahahradanatha@> wrote: > > > > , " Devi Bhakta " > <devi_bhakta@> > > wrote: > > > > > As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's > prodigious > > > knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them > very > > > technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many > > > lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a > > > mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the > > > experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a > tremendous > > > amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. > > > > > > I dispute this. But then maybe i am no one. > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hmmmmmmm, strange. Here you say about being initiated by Sri Amrithanandha. But, you questioned his prasad! My sincere advise is to leave the Mahameru alone. It is typical to feel ecstasic after visiting a spiritually charged place like a temple. But, if one has doubts on what they did while in that place, then there is something more troublesome. Worshipping Mahameru (or any yantra) might make it even worse. The best option for you, in that case, will be to do the japa (of diksha mantra) in a temple. BTW no " good " devatha will specifically ask for food of any sorts. If you get a " Feed " asking for food, stop doing whatever (japa, puja) you are doing. Seek help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Namaste Devi Bhakta " The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale. " I dont understand Amritananda yet alone misunderstand him or his teachings. What I do have is some concept of what he does and if I had to summarize his teachings it would just be that the Highest manifestation of Lalita that one can actualize is Love, independent of ahamkara, and the lahiri of vigyana and ananda that comes out of this are the manifestations of Narayana and Shiva. I guess this would be the only similarity between our two paramparas when it comes to Goddess Lalita. However, how we approach this is tremendously different. I didn't mean to ridicule your sampradaya nor would I appreciate any from your part. What I had written and what I am in the process of writing is free from any conscious prejudice. It would be blatantly sinful of me to have any negative thoughts/emotions or impressions of anyone who aspires towards Maa. " As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. " I dont care about those things because they dont directly affect me. I appreciate the fact that he has made Sri Vidya so accessible and is very candid in his discussions of Sri Vidya. Sure there may be significant differences between his teachings and other paramparas; incl mine, but that is the beauty of it - He gives a totally different perspective to contemplate on. You can either accept it or ignore it, I am in an ambivalent state with it [cherry pick]. " What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system. Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey. " I disagree, namasmarana is not small and simple. He is teaching something very complicated, I think there is a difference between something that is complex and something that is pompous. The dhyanas he teaches are not simple, anyone who considers them to be simple are either deluded with their own filthy egos or are paramhansa lol. " A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium, temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is a step ... " Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have " an affiliation with Amritananda' s parampara/sampraday a " -- but I believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it, NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles. " Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in their life. " EH MISTER, THIS IS WHAT I WAS HINTING AT. You have to a proper understanding of what the Meru is a symbol of in order to associate with it and manifest bhakti for Devi through it. As animals it is very difficult for us to associate with abstract figures without first supplementing the association with some organically derived information- far more simpler to just look at a picture of devi or a murti and worship that. The bhakti comes automatically and need not be conditioned- at least for people who have some concept of Hinduism. Not all Hindus/Shaktas know what a Meru is, forget any association it has with Devi. That is what I am saying, you need to supplement who Lalita is, why she is worshipped in a Meru, what the Meru means, why it has the unique shape that it does before one can fully accept it as being a symbol of Bhavani. Otherwise yes it will be a pile of triangles!!!! " Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those souls who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been given for years, or lifetimes, to come. " There is no such thing as simple devotion, there is devotion and then there is superficiality. To gain true devotion for Devi you must have some concept of relativity, Her relativity with you. If you consider her Maa then where does a Meru fit in? Why worship a Meru, Why worship her Paduga? - this information NEEDS to be there before one can complete the full associative system between one's person and Bhavani. I am not suggesting I know anything, I am not a mukta atma yet so imo I know jack. But truly speaking I didnt like some of the stuff I had read in the brochure for the Meru, this is why I was just a little cynical initially. It did not automatically mean I disrespect or dislike Amritananda, obviously people think differently and there are different calibres of people. Amritananda dared to dream and he also successfully manifested his dreams of making Devipuram, we can only ask ourselves if we have accomplished our own personal dreams and ambitions- there is no ridiculing such a man, there is just manifestation of inferiority complexes if one does. SO I am not ridiculing him, I am just disagreeing with some of what I had read in this new website, we are entitled to disagree, this is the source of flavour in any Parampara. To Summarize without knowing anything about a Meru, without actually approaching it in a proper way, it will be nothing but just moulded metal. Proper protocol is only that which the Guru gives, following books is avidya. So for people in Amritananda's parampara its fine what is says. I am just disagreeing as a person NOT in his parampara and am just expressing my opinion that at least namasmarana and stuti of Devi should be done and there should some concept of why Meru is relevant in her worship. Be it if you are taught the Meru is a symbolical deha of Devi, a medium to intercede for you to Devi, a vessel to store shakti or a catalyst to amplify puja....whatever the Guru gives as explanation, it does not matter... what matters is that there be relevant education. The person who inititally wrote this was disastisfied, so I felt it would be nice to give an alternate source of information- i.e. the original text which itself stresses the importance of proper avarana. Jaya Maa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 It is not quite surprising that there is an unintellectual dispute on whether Sri Amritanandanath is following the dilineating away from shastras. Such disputes arose on whether Matha Sri Amritanandamayi is adhering to shastras when she made Lalitasahasranama popular to the layman. Even Sri Jnaneswar was abused for making Gita popular ... Traditionally Vedas, stotras, and such branches of philosophical and spiritual wisdom of India were considered the monopoly of a particular community. The layman chanting the name of God was was considered polluting the vedas. The spiritual renaissance in India has shown such claims as spurious and flimsy. Let us adher to what was revealed by Mahadevi Herself. Sarvan Khalvidamevaham Nanyadasthi Sanathanam Harishankar sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: I do not think anyone is interested in hearing individual opinions on individual gurus. We need only discuss sadhana pls. mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: Please read again what i dispute. In my opinion, Sri Amritanandanath is no scholar or authority on tantra shastra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I think I got a lot from both Karthik's and Devi Bhakta's posts. Just picking up from the respectful way they approached each other's opinions, I am feeling the power of the Devi on my tongue. I feel from now, on I need to be careful what I say and what I eat because the devi is there. So thank you both. The Mahameru is still in front of me and I have spruced up my whole puja area with lots of pictures of Gods and Goddesses I bought in India. My puja area feels so full and beautiful. The Mahameru, well, suddenly I feel all the devi names I chant in the Devi Khadgamala are actually residing in the meru. I have a whole new respect for my Mahameru. She still hasn't worked magic, but that is ok. For now I feel honored the Devi has come to reside in my humble home. , harishankar harishankar <bsharishankar wrote: > > It is not quite surprising that there is an unintellectual dispute on whether Sri Amritanandanath is following the dilineating away from shastras. > > Such disputes arose on whether Matha Sri Amritanandamayi is adhering to shastras when she made Lalitasahasranama popular to the layman. Even Sri Jnaneswar was abused for making Gita popular ... > > Traditionally Vedas, stotras, and such branches of philosophical and spiritual wisdom of India were considered the monopoly of a particular community. The layman chanting the name of God was was considered polluting the vedas. > > The spiritual renaissance in India has shown such claims as spurious and flimsy. Let us adher to what was revealed by Mahadevi Herself. > > Sarvan Khalvidamevaham > > Nanyadasthi Sanathanam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi DB & Kartik You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments appear endless logomachies. I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family. Merus and chakras do have their effect. Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial break. JR Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Dear Kartik: The statements contained in your post summarize a lot of what is misunderstood about Sri Amritananda and his mission. I think the main thing is that all of this has to be understood on a sliding scale. As far as I know, no one (including you) disputes Guruji's prodigious knowledge of scripture and ritual. His teachings -- some of them very technical and esoteric indeed, as you note -- are based on many lifetimes of accumulated wisdom and experience, including a mindblowing amount of effort in this lifetime alone. For the experienced, initiated Srividya upasaka, he can offer a tremendous amount of detailed and specific advice and instruction. What makes Guruji different -- and probably what makes him controversial as well -- is his interest in sharing some of the more simple, devotional aspects of Srividya upasana with those who would traditionally be considered unqualified to receive the full system. Thus you will find that he offers some simple devotional prayers in English, such as " See Goddess Fast, " and so on -- and what for? They bring ordinary people some comfort, get them used to the bhakti mindset, teach a little of the underlying philosophy of SVU, install a simple habit of daily recitation, and perhaps prepare their souls to receive more sophisticated information at a later time. They offer a small, modest, initial step on an infinite journey. A similar dynamic is at work with the Maha Merus, I think you will find. Rather than build exclusionary walls by saying " don't even bother; this is way too complex for you; you are not ready; you are not initiated; you are not qualified, etc. " -- Guruji says essentially, " Sure, if you want a Meru, there is not reason why you should not have one. " (The Merus are also being made available in inexpensive ceramic form for those unable to afford the premium, temple-quality Merus produced in the initial run.) WHy? Because it is a step ... Now, here is where you and I may disagree, perhaps because I *do* have " an affiliation with Amritananda's parampara/sampradaya " -- but I believe the Meru stops being " a pile of triangles, " as you term it, NOT when one learns the full Naraavarana Puja -- but as soon as one begins to *perceive* it as something more than a pile of triangles. Again, it is a sliding scale. Guruji's compassionate suggestion that a novice might try playing devotional music in the vicinity of the Meru may make you " ROTFL " -- but it is a significant step for some people toward learning to create a " sacred space, " both in their home and in their life. Perhaps those simple, devotional lessons are laughably unsophisticated to some, such as yourself, who know the full and proper " protocol and associations " of full, formal Meru worship. But others, just as knowledgeable and experienced (or even more so, who knows?) do not laugh. Rather than simply internalizing all that they have gained in their rarified upasana, they carry some of it back to those just souls who are just beginning their journey, in a form that they can use and understand *today* -- even though they may not truly, fully understand the profundity and vastness of the treasure they've been given for years, or lifetimes, to come. ~aim mAtangyai namaH~ , kartik gaurav <omkaaraya wrote: > > This is just my opinion, I am neither for or against Devi Puram as I have no affiliation with their parampara/sampradaya. > > I think Amritananda is considered a Natha in this Parampara so for people who belong to the lineage in which he is Natha, his words probably are infallible- or at least highly regarded. I dont to the teachings of PKS based paramparas and for me personally, to suggest that a Meru without being worshipped can give any spiritual effect goes against a lot of scriptural teachings. > > I guess in this context the Meru is just seen as an object of devotion and a symbol of Maa Bhavani; so over here the overwhelming amount of variables make any conclusion highly speculative and subjective (gotta consider the level of devotion, strength of association and so forth). > > To me, without proper association and worship, the Meru is just a pile of triangles. If I didnt worship my meru and just wanted something for goodluck I would have gotten myself a statue of Ganapati, at least I could get to rub his belly and think to myself how cute the little guy is. > > Well I guess if I put a much cheaper clay Krishna statue from the train station, it probably also would have the same claim to fame; maybe it would have been more effective as you wouldnt worry about the cost and since it has humanoid form, you'd probably associate with it a lot better. > > At the end of the day its just a piece of metal, sculptured to become a symbol of something we consider great. It requires protocol, as well as a specific form of association. If you heard that just keeping a Meru and not doing proper worship to it will give u unique results then what u heard is wrong. > > Why dont you read Amritananda's previous teachings on Maha Vidyas and his previous publications on Sri Chakra, he is respected not because of name or fame but because of hard work. He has published a lot of interesting material on Shri Vidya. > Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Hi JR ... No techno-savvy required -- I agree 100 percent. In my opinion, to *ever* consider the Sri Meru or Sri Chakra merely a " pile of triangles " is jaw-droppingly naive at best and utterly self-defeating at worst. Certainly, to laugh at the intrinsic power of the configuration harms none but the person laughing ... and by " harm " I simply mean that, through this sophistry, the laugher blocks him- or herself off from this free-flowing goft of the Divine. ~aim mAtangyai namaH~ , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > > Hi DB & Kartik > You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments appear endless logomachies. > > I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family. > > Merus and chakras do have their effect. > > Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial break. > JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 I am not a physicist so I dont know much about the various analytical techniques used in the measure of energy. However, this it the first time I've head of " bio-energy " . There is free energy, which is easily measured by calorimetry and then there is radiation which obviously has its own specifics depending on the type of radiation one is interested in. So unless you explain this, it seems like a lot of hippie pseudo-science than the more mundane science I am used to. The term bioenergy itself is supposed to refer to renewable forms of energy that can be used for sustainable devlopment [i.e. cow manure, metabolic by products of living organisms, even photosynthesis is an example of it] there is a generic term and can be used very loosely and has no real merit in fundamental scientific theory- just in its application. I used wikipedia to get an understanding of what this bioenergy; a very loose and vague term at best. Merus and Chakras most definetly do have their own effect and the thing is you are citing a source that actually does understand the significance of what a Meru is. And DB, I think once again you are ignoring what it is I am trying to express and concentrating on just isolated statements. I have friends who consider themselves to be devotees of Devi, they didnt know anything about Maha Vidyas- Just Kali, Durga and Laxmi... Tara is basically calling it lucky. You give them a Meru and they wouldnt know what it is- it is only after a proper understanding how what is symbolises and how it connects you to Devi that it becomes a vehicle to Bhavani in sadhana. Without Gyana, there can not be any actualization of Bhakti towards Bhagawati via a Meru. The extent of Gyana probably affects the state and intensity of Bhakti, I mean just knowing that a Meru is a symbol of Bhagawati is the basic minimum for it to be incorporated into Puja. I am not talking about high level principles like mandala of Bhagamalini, MahaVajreshwari and Kameshwari I think. Those things are progressive conditioning and Gyana but one has to start off with a basic understanding that a Meru is indeed a symbol and to a degree a sthula manifestation of Devi- only then can it be appreciated. There is no meaning to a object unless we associate a meaning to it, same can be said for shaligram which any other non vaishnava/hindu person might just consider as ammonite fossils, or even narmadeshwara, which is simply a very fancy wrong. We derive the meaning for these objects and it is that meaning which is the source of empowerment. Without having that principle knowledge, the object will have no perceivable power and will not be incorporated in one's worship. Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree Monday, 19 March, 2007 6:16:29 AM Re: Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus? Hi DB & Kartik You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments appear endless logomachies. I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family. Merus and chakras do have their effect. Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial break. JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Hi Kartik I told you mine was a commercial break.. just sit back and enjoy it. I like your posts so continue your arguments. JR kartik gaurav <omkaaraya wrote: I am not a physicist so I dont know much about the various analytical techniques used in the measure of energy. However, this it the first time I've head of " bio-energy " . There is free energy, which is easily measured by calorimetry and then there is radiation which obviously has its own specifics depending on the type of radiation one is interested in. So unless you explain this, it seems like a lot of hippie pseudo-science than the more mundane science I am used to. The term bioenergy itself is supposed to refer to renewable forms of energy that can be used for sustainable devlopment [i.e. cow manure, metabolic by products of living organisms, even photosynthesis is an example of it] there is a generic term and can be used very loosely and has no real merit in fundamental scientific theory- just in its application. I used wikipedia to get an understanding of what this bioenergy; a very loose and vague term at best. Merus and Chakras most definetly do have their own effect and the thing is you are citing a source that actually does understand the significance of what a Meru is. And DB, I think once again you are ignoring what it is I am trying to express and concentrating on just isolated statements. I have friends who consider themselves to be devotees of Devi, they didnt know anything about Maha Vidyas- Just Kali, Durga and Laxmi... Tara is basically calling it lucky. You give them a Meru and they wouldnt know what it is- it is only after a proper understanding how what is symbolises and how it connects you to Devi that it becomes a vehicle to Bhavani in sadhana. Without Gyana, there can not be any actualization of Bhakti towards Bhagawati via a Meru. The extent of Gyana probably affects the state and intensity of Bhakti, I mean just knowing that a Meru is a symbol of Bhagawati is the basic minimum for it to be incorporated into Puja. I am not talking about high level principles like mandala of Bhagamalini, MahaVajreshwari and Kameshwari I think. Those things are progressive conditioning and Gyana but one has to start off with a basic understanding that a Meru is indeed a symbol and to a degree a sthula manifestation of Devi- only then can it be appreciated. There is no meaning to a object unless we associate a meaning to it, same can be said for shaligram which any other non vaishnava/hindu person might just consider as ammonite fossils, or even narmadeshwara, which is simply a very fancy wrong. We derive the meaning for these objects and it is that meaning which is the source of empowerment. Without having that principle knowledge, the object will have no perceivable power and will not be incorporated in one's worship. Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree Monday, 19 March, 2007 6:16:29 AM Re: Re: Results with Devipuram Maha Merus? Hi DB & Kartik You all are too techno-savvy in SV that for a person like me your arguments appear endless logomachies. I can vouchsafe for onething. I have a close friend in Kumbhakonam who is a hereditory Sthapati and a master in Rigveda, Shilpashastra etc., One german who came to meet this sthapati had an instrument for measuring bio-energy. Simple diagrams (in pencil on paper) of easy chakras gave out energies and srichakra roughly sketched in pencil gave a fantastic amount of energy. The Sthapati comes of an accomplished Srividya-upasaka family. Merus and chakras do have their effect. Do pl continue your arguments and rejoinders -- mine was just a commercial break. JR We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 This sequence of posts is, in my judgement, a beautiful example of what can happen when a person speaks his/her own truth and maintains an open mind to hearing the truths of others. Wanna_Be_Bhakta_of_the_Devi was feeling doubt and disappointment about her decision to purchase this meru. She spoke honestly about her feelings and judgements in this group. I applaud her willingness to say something potentially unpopular. Even more, I applaud her willingness to reevaluate her judgements after getting input from others. This is how spiritual growth happens, isn't it? Some members, it seems to me, interpreted her initial comments as an attack on the reputation of Guru Amritananda Natha, and got defensive. When I get " triggered " by someone else, I try to look at what my reaction tells me about myself and my own insecurities. Speaking of which, I was triggered by certain comments to the effect that " you have to have 100% faith, you have to believe, " in order to get results from sadhana. I think my reaction stems from periods where I've felt doubts about the efficacy of my practice, or felt alienated from Devi, and have berated myself for just not having enough faith -- this never helps me. What does help me is to talk to Her honestly about what's going on within me. Also, I'm mistrustful of any religious tradition that encourages adherents to suppress doubts and critical thoughts. As Guru Amritananda himself writes (in a somewhat different context), " If you say killing a person is bad, then I say killing a person's mind is also bad. " , " wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi " <wanna_be_bhakta_of_the_devi wrote: > > I think I got a lot from both Karthik's and Devi Bhakta's posts. > Just picking up from the respectful way they approached each other's > opinions, I am feeling the power of the Devi on my tongue. I feel > from now, on I need to be careful what I say and what I eat because > the devi is there. So thank you both. > > The Mahameru is still in front of me and I have spruced up my whole > puja area with lots of pictures of Gods and Goddesses I bought in > India. My puja area feels so full and beautiful. > > The Mahameru, well, suddenly I feel all the devi names I chant in > the Devi Khadgamala are actually residing in the meru. I have a > whole new respect for my Mahameru. > > She still hasn't worked magic, but that is ok. For now I feel honored the Devi has come to reside in my humble home. > > > , harishankar harishankar > <bsharishankar@> wrote: > > > > It is not quite surprising that there is an unintellectual dispute > on whether Sri Amritanandanath is following the dilineating away > from shastras. > > > > Such disputes arose on whether Matha Sri Amritanandamayi is > adhering to shastras when she made Lalitasahasranama popular to the > layman. Even Sri Jnaneswar was abused for making Gita popular ... > > > > Traditionally Vedas, stotras, and such branches of philosophical > and spiritual wisdom of India were considered the monopoly of a > particular community. The layman chanting the name of God was was > considered polluting the vedas. > > > > The spiritual renaissance in India has shown such claims as > spurious and flimsy. Let us adher to what was revealed by Mahadevi > Herself. > > > > Sarvan Khalvidamevaham > > > > Nanyadasthi Sanathanam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 May be this is the " bio-energy " as it was refered to. http://www.transcendencedesign.com/cgi- bin/shop.pl/SID=1162144552.9436/page=yantra_meru_chakra.html Here is another scientific article (peer reviewed). I do not know much about the standard of the journal though. http://www.selfreferral.com/sriyantra/References/Kulaichev% 20control.pdf , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > > Hi Kartik > I told you mine was a commercial break.. just sit back and enjoy it. > > I like your posts so continue your arguments. > > JR > > kartik gaurav <omkaaraya wrote: > I am not a physicist so I dont know much about the various analytical techniques used in the measure of energy. However, this it the first time I've head of " bio-energy " . There is free energy, which is easily measured by calorimetry and then there is radiation which obviously has its own specifics depending on the type of radiation one is interested in. So unless you explain this, it seems like a lot of hippie pseudo-science than the more mundane science I am used to. The term bioenergy itself is supposed to refer to renewable forms of energy that can be used for sustainable devlopment [i.e. cow manure, metabolic by products of living organisms, even photosynthesis is an example of it] there is a generic term and can be used very loosely and has no real merit in fundamental scientific theory- just in its application. I used wikipedia to get an understanding of what this bioenergy; a very loose and vague term at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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