Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Editorial from the Newspaper " The Hindu, " on 8-may-07 http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/08/stories/2007050803400800.htm Of Husain, hate and harassment There is something terribly amiss about a social order that coerces a law-abiding 91-year-old artist — India's most celebrated painter — into leaving the country because of harassment by rank communalists and moral vigilantes. There is also something lopsided about the priorities of a criminal justice system that orders the attachment of his properties when cases against hardened criminals drag on interminably. Formally, the circumstances that led the Mumbai police to paste an attachment notice outside M.F. Husain's Cuffe Parade residence have the stamp of due legal process — a petition before a Haridwar court, the issue of summons and non-bailable warrants, proclaiming the accused as an `absconder,' and an order to attach his property under Section 83 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973. The outrageousness of all this becomes plain when one considers the nature of the painter's so-called offence. The case in Haridwar relates to a tired and hollow controversy — the alleged `obscenity' of a couple of his works. Now that the police have discovered that the house is no more in Mr. Husain's name, the elements of tragic- comedy seem complete. It is astonishing that an artist of the stature, integrity, and secular spirit of Mr. Husain continues to be harassed by malicious litigation. These cases, usually filed under Sections 153-A (promoting enmity) and 295-A (outraging religious feelings) of the Indian Penal Code, are but the legal face of a violent and orchestrated campaign waged by fundamentalist elements against creativity. Over the last few years, these fanatics have threatened the artist, ransacked his house, and defaced his paintings. Surprisingly, instead of upholding the fundamental right to freedom of expression, some lower courts have been extraordinarily tolerant in entertaining the vexatious complaints. By doing so, they have unwittingly provided a handle to the enemies of cultural freedom and liberal thought. There is little doubt that the criminal cases against Mr. Husain will fail. But the mischief-makers may have already succeeded — because the process has become the punishment, especially for a nonagenarian free spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 interesting!! You foret that " The Hindu " is a rabid anti-hindu left leaning daily. Hussain had specifically stated that he paints in teh nude anything he hates. all his Muslim themes are FULLY clothed whereas ALL his Hindu themes are fully nude. He became a painter after he started a liaison with Indira Gandhi. ganpra <ganpra wrote: Editorial from the Newspaper " The Hindu, " on 8-may-07 http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/08/stories/2007050803400800.htm Of Husain, hate and harassment There is something terribly amiss about a social order that coerces a law-abiding 91-year-old artist — India's most celebrated painter — into leaving the country because of harassment by rank communalists and moral vigilantes. There is also something lopsided about the priorities of a criminal justice system that orders the attachment of his properties when cases against hardened criminals drag on interminably. Formally, the circumstances that led the Mumbai police to paste an attachment notice outside M.F. Husain's Cuffe Parade residence have the stamp of due legal process — a petition before a Haridwar court, the issue of summons and non-bailable warrants, proclaiming the accused as an `absconder,' and an order to attach his property under Section 83 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973. The outrageousness of all this becomes plain when one considers the nature of the painter's so-called offence. The case in Haridwar relates to a tired and hollow controversy — the alleged `obscenity' of a couple of his works. Now that the police have discovered that the house is no more in Mr. Husain's name, the elements of tragic- comedy seem complete. It is astonishing that an artist of the stature, integrity, and secular spirit of Mr. Husain continues to be harassed by malicious litigation. These cases, usually filed under Sections 153-A (promoting enmity) and 295-A (outraging religious feelings) of the Indian Penal Code, are but the legal face of a violent and orchestrated campaign waged by fundamentalist elements against creativity. Over the last few years, these fanatics have threatened the artist, ransacked his house, and defaced his paintings. Surprisingly, instead of upholding the fundamental right to freedom of expression, some lower courts have been extraordinarily tolerant in entertaining the vexatious complaints. By doing so, they have unwittingly provided a handle to the enemies of cultural freedom and liberal thought. There is little doubt that the criminal cases against Mr. Husain will fail. But the mischief-makers may have already succeeded — because the process has become the punishment, especially for a nonagenarian free spirit. Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Kochu, I do not know about the rabid anti-hindu stance of the newspaper. But, the editorial does point out the fallacy of the law - targetting an individual because he drew something while bunch of criminal- politicians who have done worse in hurting the nation and its people are not prosecuted similarly. G , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > interesting!! You foret that " The Hindu " is a rabid anti-hindu left leaning daily. Hussain had specifically stated that he paints in teh nude anything he hates. all his Muslim themes are FULLY clothed whereas ALL his Hindu themes are fully nude. > He became a painter after he started a liaison with Indira Gandhi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 hi, it is regarded 'progressive' to allow hussain's to have their ability displayed in the name of freedom of expression and those who create a line to support such things ensure that crucial issues of food security, poverty removal and global warming also remain in the precincts of seminars in five starred hotels. sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: i can write a line by line word for word reply to this editorial. This red fellow traveller has done IMHO a lot of harm to National polity and National defene by his articles and op-eds. Because he inherited a National News paper that was respected a lot he feels he can carry on his agenda based on a now defunct political philosophy. I cannot off hand mention specific examples as this is an opinion built up over a long time. Just because politicians are raping India, it does not mean that people cn attack and hurt the sentiments of religions other than one's own. Why is it that this so called " artist " paint matters of his own religion? Or is it that " artistic freedom " is limited to attacking the oldest living religion in the world and not the militant ones?? This is crass commercialism and roiding piggy back on " secularism " which now means attacking hinduism alone. ganpra <ganpra wrote: Kochu, I do not know about the rabid anti-hindu stance of the newspaper. But, the editorial does point out the fallacy of the law - targetting an individual because he drew something while bunch of criminal- politicians who have done worse in hurting the nation and its people are not prosecuted similarly. G , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > interesting!! You foret that " The Hindu " is a rabid anti-hindu left leaning daily. Hussain had specifically stated that he paints in teh nude anything he hates. all his Muslim themes are FULLY clothed whereas ALL his Hindu themes are fully nude. > He became a painter after he started a liaison with Indira Gandhi. > Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 i can write a line by line word for word reply to this editorial. This red fellow traveller has done IMHO a lot of harm to National polity and National defence by his articles and op-eds. Because he inherited a National News paper that was respected a lot he feels he can carry on his agenda based on a now defunct political philosophy. I cannot off hand mention specific examples as this is an opinion built up over a long time. Just because politicians are raping India, it does not mean that people can attack and hurt the sentiments of religions other than one's own. Why is it that this so called " artist " does not paint matters of his own religion? Or is it that " artistic freedom " is limited to attacking the oldest living religion in the world and not the militant ones?? This is crass commercialism and riding piggy back on " secularism " which now means attacking Hinduism alone. If he paints ANYTHING derogatory to Islam, he will have n place to run to!! And all this story of " fear of life " is a lot of hogwash intended to further the propaganda of the " secularists " aka Hindu haters. I have put my comments to the op-ed in caps in brackets. , " ganpra " <ganpra wrote: Editorial from the Newspaper " The Hindu, " on 8-may-07 http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/08/stories/2007050803400800.htm Of Husain, hate and harassment There is something terribly amiss about a social order that coerces a law-abiding (IPSI DIXIT WITHOUT ANY BASIS. THIS IS THE AUTHOR'S OPINION. JUST BECAUSE HE IS A JOURNALIST HE IS NOT A JUDGE TO ECLARE THIS PERSON LAW ABIDING) 91-year-old artist — India's most celebrated painter (MADE SO FOR PILTICAL REASONS BY INDIRA GANDHI AND A FEW WHO MADE MONEY ON THIS SCORE – EVEN A CHILD CAN DRAW BETTER) — into leaving the country because of harassment by rank communalists and moral vigilantes(WAS IT NOT A LEFTIST PSEUDESECULAR MUSLIM UMMAH PROPAGANDA STUNT???). There is also something lopsided about the priorities of a criminal justice system that orders the attachment of his properties when cases against hardened criminals drag on interminably.(OF COURSE AND THIS INLUDES ESCAPE FOR THE LEFT CRIMINALS WHO ARE THE AUTHO'S FRIENDS?? WHERE IS THE RAGE AGAINST THE THEFT OF LEFTIST KERALA'S MONEY IN THE LAVLIN SCANAL AND MANY MANY OTHERS?? BUT THAT'S LET EH?? WHAT ABUT THE NEO MILLIONIRES IN KERALA MARXIST PARTY WHO WERE IMPEUNIOUS NOT LONG AGO?? WHAT ABOUT THE COMRADES WOSE CILEN STUDY IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS OUTSIDE THE STATE SO THAT THE LEFT INSPIRED SRIKES DO NOT AFFECT THEM??) Formally, the circumstances that led the Mumbai police to paste an attachment notice outside M.F. Husain's Cuffe Parade residence have the stamp of due legal process — a petition before a Haridwar court, the issue of summons and non-bailable warrants, proclaiming the accused as an `absconder,' and an order to attach his property under Section 83 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973. (THESE ARE ALL LEGAL AND PROPER DUE PROCESS. BUT DO MARXISTS RECOGNISE THEM??) The outrageousness of all this becomes plain when one considers the nature of the painter's so-called offence. The case in Haridwar relates to a tired and hollow controversy — the alleged `obscenity' of a couple of his works. Now that the police have discovered that the house is no more in Mr. Husain's name, the elements of tragic- comedy seem complete. (AS LONG AS IT IS ANTI HINDU ITS OK EH??) (WHERE WAS THE RAGE AGAINST MUSLIM ATION TO DANISH CARTOONS PLS??) It is astonishing that an artist of the stature, integrity, and secular spirit (CAN YOU SOW ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE??) of Mr. Husain continues to be harassed by malicious litigation. These cases, usually filed under Sections 153-A (promoting enmity) and 295-A (outraging religious feelings) of the Indian Penal Code, are but the legal face of a violent and orchestrated campaign waged by fundamentalist elements against creativity. Over the last few years, these fanatics have threatened the artist, ransacked his house, and defaced his paintings. Surprisingly, instead of upholding the fundamental right to freedom of expression, some lower courts have been extraordinarily tolerant in entertaining the vexatious complaints. By doing so, they have unwittingly provided a handle to the enemies of cultural freedom and liberal thought. There is little doubt that the criminal cases against Mr. Husain will fail. (IS THIS GENTLEMAN AWARE THAT THE LAST TIME HE DID IT, HE ESCAPED APOLOGISING?? APOLOGY IS AN ADMISSION OF A MISTAKE. SO HOW CAN IT FAIL??) But the mischief-makers may have already succeeded — because the process has become the punishment, especially for a nonagenarian free spirit.( FREE SPIRIT ONLY IN ATTACKING HINDUISM?? WHERE IS THIS SPIRIT IN KEEPING QUIET ABOUT ISLAM?? WILL THIS GENTLEMAN ASK HUSSAIN MIAN TO PAINT SOMETHING ISLAMIC IN THE SAME VEIN TO SHOW HIS SECULARISM??) I AM CONVINCED THAT THIS IS PART OF THE MUSLIM UMMAH CAMPAIGN IN CONCERT WITH THE DEAD MARXIST IDEOLOGY TO WEAKEN AND DESTROY INDIA.THATS WHY HE TALKS OF ALL THIS 'HARASMENT' AND 'THREAT TO LIFE' WICH ARE ALL UMMAH PROPAGANDAS. IN SHORT HUSSAIN IS AN UMMA AGENT AND THE EDITOR WHO WROTE THE OP-ED IS A SUCKER FOR UMMAH PROPAGANDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 My two cents again: *** Hussain had specifically stated that he paints in the nude anything he hates. all his Muslim themes are FULLY clothed whereas ALL his Hindu themes are fully nude. *** I was never aware of Husain's quotation that he " he paints in the nude anything he hates. " The only source I can find for it is a specifically anti-Husain page on the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti website, and the quote is the " conclusion " of the critique's author, not the words of Husain himself. The site also notes that his Christian portrayals (e.g. Mother Theresa) are clothed. My feeling is that Husain is an extremely talented artist (to call him the " Picasso of India " doesn't seem much of an overstatement) -- but I certainly concede that (like Picasso, gain) he was an over-the-top self-promoter who intentionally courted controversy. I suspect that his nude Hindu deities were not meant to insult as much as draw attention to himself -- though yes, it is arguable that the lack of " nude Muslim deities " (though there is no theological or historical precedent for such a thing anyway) might be construed as a cowardly bit of selective self-preservation. But looking at the facts, I see Husain at 90-something as having simply outlived the days when such marketing ploys would be considered too innocuous to matter much outside the art world. Islam has become radicalized and militant, and in response radical and militant Hindu organizations have risen in righteous defense. Unfortunately, I feel they are wasting their rage -- making themselves ridiculous, in fact -- by slashing pictures and threatening some eccentric old non-conformist rather than engaging the real enemies. Shashi Tharoor, an astute commentator on Indian affairs whom I tend to respect, put it well: " That M.F. Husain, pre-eminent modern Indian artist, and one of the country's best-known Muslims, should have derived inspiration from an ancient Hindu epic is not in itself surprising. Husain has always felt free to find his images and symbols in the cultural heterogeneity of his native land, and the Mahabharata, unlike its sacred twin, the Ramayana, is essentially a secular epic. It also occupies a unique place in the Indian national consciousness, one that lends itself remarkably well to artistic reinvention. The epic allowed Husain to take characters and images that are laden with epic resonance, and to alter and shape them to paint a contemporary canvas. ... " In much of Husain's work, Hindu myths and epic narratives both contribute to and reflect the national consciousness that his own creativity has done so much to influence. In reiterating the epic, the artist and his audience both reaffirm the shaping of their own cultural identity. This is an important statement for Husain to make as a Muslim and an Indian: he is staking his claim to a heritage that some chauvinist Hindus have sought to deny to those not of their own persuasion. In recent years these zealots have sought to challenge Husain's right to use Hindu imagery, attacking exhibitions in which he has depicted nude goddesses, denouncing him for sacrilege in his borrowings from the epics. The vast majority of India's art-lovers and intellectuals have rallied to his defence — and with the Mahabharata they have rightly asserted that Husain has no case to answer. For, there is nothing restrictive or self-limiting about the Indian identity the Mahabharata asserts: it is large, eclectic and flexible, containing multitudes. " (For full commentary see: http://tinyurl.com/3dq8es ) *** He became a painter after he started a liaison with Indira Gandhi. *** By all accounts, he was a gifted painter from childhood. Husain was admitted to the Sir J. J. School of Art in Bombay in 1935, when Indira was 17 and he was 19. For the next 10 years he was painting cinema hoardings in Bombay, while she as Nehru's daughter was living in New Delhi. If they did have a " liaison, " it certainly didn't mark the beginning of his painting career. So when did this " liaison " happen and what was its nature? And moreover, how does it prove he's virulently anti-Hindu? Just curious ... DB , mohan padmanabhan <mohankp23 wrote: > > hi, it is regarded 'progressive' to allow hussain's to have their ability displayed > in the name of freedom of expression and those who create a line to support > such things ensure that crucial issues of food security, poverty removal and > global warming also remain in the precincts of seminars in five starred hotels. > > sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > i can write a line by line word for word reply to this editorial. This red fellow traveller has done IMHO a lot of harm to National polity and National defene by his articles and op-eds. Because he inherited a National News paper that was respected a lot he feels he can carry on his agenda based on a now defunct political philosophy. I cannot off hand mention specific examples as this is an opinion built up over a long time. > Just because politicians are raping India, it does not mean that people cn attack and hurt the sentiments of religions other than one's own. > Why is it that this so called " artist " paint matters of his own religion? Or is it that " artistic freedom " is limited to attacking the oldest living religion in the world and not the militant ones?? This is crass commercialism and roiding piggy back on " secularism " which now means attacking hinduism alone. > > > ganpra <ganpra wrote: > Kochu, > > I do not know about the rabid anti-hindu stance of the newspaper. But, > the editorial does point out the fallacy of the law - targetting an > individual because he drew something while bunch of criminal- > politicians who have done worse in hurting the nation and its people > are not prosecuted similarly. > > G > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz@> > wrote: > > > > interesting!! You foret that " The Hindu " is a rabid anti-hindu left > leaning daily. Hussain had specifically stated that he paints in teh > nude anything he hates. all his Muslim themes are FULLY clothed whereas > ALL his Hindu themes are fully nude. > > He became a painter after he started a liaison with Indira Gandhi. > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Just thought of something, albiet in a somewhat lighter vein. Oldest living religion (Hinduism) has faced and conquered several invasions. Paraphrasing Upendra's quote on the photos of the " nasty " lot of this group's moderators, " 50% of the moderators are from " outside " of India. " Meaning, non-native Indians/Hindus. Extending this observation further, divulging a lesser known fact, none of the moderators currently reside in India. Does this make this group " a foreign controlled, 5 star hotel meeting, non-rupee oriented, elitist " concoction? " ;-) Thus, any such invasion (this term used particularly for the drama it indicates rather than alluding that DB, Nora, and other non-Hindu members are invaders) is bound to have both positive and negative effects (as in someone degrading the religion and cultures) on the culture and the religion. If we are saying that one man had insulted hinduism with his " child- like scribbles " aren't we acknowledging the fact that he is greater than or at least equal to the subject he is dealing with, namely, hinduism? Yes, he had damaged hinduism, by offering fodder for neo-hindu fundamentalists to attack what they deem to be good election/political gimmick. By which action these groups are now starting to exhibit a neo-taliban like stupid behavior in trying to control lives of people - like burning valentine's day cards and roses etc, telling women who cover their heads with dhupatta that it is islamic and they should not do it - in general complete intolerance to anything they deem and concoct as non-hindu behavior. Personally, I am more worried about the idiots among my religion (hinduism) rather than one individual whose talents may or may not be genius (depending on one's own perspective). My belief is that M. F. husain is being persecuted and your belief is he is being prosecuted. I agree to disagree and let the matter rest status quo. , " kochu1tz " <kochu1tz wrote: > > i can write a line by line word for word reply to this editorial. > This red fellow traveller has done IMHO a lot of harm to National > polity and National defence by his articles and op-eds. Because he > inherited a National News paper that was respected a lot he feels he > can carry on his agenda based on a now defunct political philosophy. > I cannot off hand mention specific examples as this is an opinion > built up over a long time. > Just because politicians are raping India, it does not mean that > people can attack and hurt the sentiments of religions other than > one's own. > > Why is it that this so called " artist " does not paint matters of his > own religion? Or is it that " artistic freedom " is limited to > attacking the oldest living religion in the world and not the > militant ones?? This is crass commercialism and riding piggy back > on " secularism " which now means attacking Hinduism alone. > > If he paints ANYTHING derogatory to Islam, he will have n place to > run to!! And all this story of " fear of life " is a lot of hogwash > intended to further the propaganda of the " secularists " aka Hindu > haters. > > I have put my comments to the op-ed in caps in brackets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 A correction: Not all of moderators are outside India. My apologies for my ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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