Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Three Removed From Senate During Hindu Prayer By Nathan Burchfiel CNSNews.com Staff Writer July 12, 2007 Washington (CNSNews.com) -- Three Christian protestors were removed from the U.S. Senate chamber's observation gallery Thursday when they disrupted the morning prayer -- being delivered for the first time in history by a Hindu chaplain. The three unidentified protestors began praying loudly when Rajan Zed, a Hindu chaplain from Nevada, started praying. The demonstrators prayed for forgiveness from Jesus Christ for " betraying " the Christian tradition. Senate security officers quickly removed the demonstrators, and Zed continued with his prayer for peace. " May our study be enlightening, " he said, noting that " by devotion to selfless work we gain the supreme goal of life. " Zed addressed his prayer to " the supreme one " and requested that " he stimulate and illuminate our minds. " " May yours spirits be as one, " Zed said. " Peace, peace, peace be unto all. " He added a prayer of comfort for the family of Lady Bird Johnson, the former First Lady who died Wednesday at 94. Zed addressed a mainly empty Senate chamber. Among other staff, only Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) and Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) were present for the opening invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. Reid's office sponsored Zed's request to serve as a guest chaplain. Inhofe was there to deliver a speech moments later on the Fairness Doctrine. After the prayer, Reid took to the floor to thank Zed for opening the Senate. He spoke of a statue of Gandhi he keeps in his office, and encouraged his colleagues to " think of Gandhi. " As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Zed is believed by Senate historians to be the first Hindu chaplain to deliver the opening prayer on the Senate floor. The Senate Chaplain, Rev. Barry Black, usually delivers the invocation, but it is common for guest chaplains to appear. While he appears to be the first Hindu to open the Senate, Zed is not the first outside the Judeo-Christian tradition. A Muslim prayer was delivered in 1993. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/a rchive/200707/CUL20070712b.html or http://tinyurl.com/yvr62n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Crikey ... that's a bit depressing, eh? A nice gesture by the Senate; but a pretty pathetic response. *** Three Christian protestors disrupted the morning prayer -- being delivered for the first time in history by a Hindu chaplain. ... The demonstrators prayed for forgiveness from Jesus Christ for " betraying " the Christian tradition. *** Typical bull-in-a-china-shop fundies, regardless of belief system. *** Zed addressed a mainly empty Senate chamber. Among other staff, only Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) [who invited him] and Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) [who was waiting to give an unrelated speech] were present for the opening invocation *** At least the " christian " fundies bothered to show up, unlike 98 of the 100 Senators. And did any representatives of the Hindu faith show up to support the guy -- or was it fundies vs. apathy. Apathy and dispassion among non-fundies is the single greatest ally of fundamentalism, allowing a tiny lunatic fringe to take and occupy the center. Look at what the Muslim fundies have done to the Arab world and what the Christian fundies have done to the U.S. -- just to name the two most obvious examples of the civilizational rot and decline caused by fundamentalist dominance. They are the cancer that mainstream apathy allows to spread unchecked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 This is indeed quite depressing. I find it almost impossible to get into the mindset of these fundamentalists. I guess they have no clue as to how ridiculous they look! DB is very right in saying that it is the apathy of the " non-fundies " that has allowed the " fundies " to take centrestage. , " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta wrote: > > Crikey ... that's a bit depressing, eh? > > A nice gesture by the Senate; but a pretty pathetic response. > > *** Three Christian protestors disrupted the morning prayer -- being > delivered for the first time in history by a Hindu chaplain. ... The > demonstrators prayed for forgiveness from Jesus Christ > for " betraying " the Christian tradition. *** > > Typical bull-in-a-china-shop fundies, regardless of belief system. > > *** Zed addressed a mainly empty Senate chamber. Among other staff, > only Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) [who invited him] > and Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) [who was waiting to give an unrelated > speech] were present for the opening invocation *** > > At least the " christian " fundies bothered to show up, unlike 98 of > the 100 Senators. And did any representatives of the Hindu faith show > up to support the guy -- or was it fundies vs. apathy. Apathy and > dispassion among non-fundies is the single greatest ally of > fundamentalism, allowing a tiny lunatic fringe to take and occupy the > center. > > Look at what the Muslim fundies have done to the Arab world and what > the Christian fundies have done to the U.S. -- just to name the two > most obvious examples of the civilizational rot and decline caused by > fundamentalist dominance. They are the cancer that mainstream apathy > allows to spread unchecked. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Namaste: It's very upsetting, but not unexpected consider the current theo-political climate in Washington. CNN has a video of the event on their website: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/12/prayer.protest.reut/index.html#cnnSTCVide\ o Jai Maa. -- -Santo " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Thank you, Santo; I hadn't seen that clip. Well....I guess we have the goofball protestors to thank for this historic prayer event's making it to www.cnn.com [laugh] I too wish there'd been more of a supportive audience present for Mr. Zed, but maybe it was just a communications issue--perhaps the Washington D.C. area papers didn't pick up the news of the upcoming prayer, and so (Hindu) folks didn't hear about the event. Who knows. In any case, as a friend points out, the historical significance of the prayer event still stands. , " Santo Sengupta " <s.santo.sengupta wrote: > > Namaste: > It's very upsetting, but not unexpected consider the current theo- political > climate in Washington. > > CNN has a video of the event on their website: > http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/12/prayer.protest.reut/index.html# cnnSTCVideo > > Jai Maa. > -- > -Santo > " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Here's a link to video of the entire prayer: mms://159.26.125.75/News/Incoming/HINDU PRAYER DC.wmv If you have trouble with that link, it's embedded in this news story: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/193994.aspx , " msbauju " <msbauju wrote: > > Thank you, Santo; I hadn't seen that clip. > > Well....I guess we have the goofball protestors to thank for this > historic prayer event's making it to www.cnn.com [laugh] > > I too wish there'd been more of a supportive audience present for Mr. > Zed, but maybe it was just a communications issue--perhaps the > Washington D.C. area papers didn't pick up the news of the upcoming > prayer, and so (Hindu) folks didn't hear about the event. Who > knows. In any case, as a friend points out, the historical > significance of the prayer event still stands. > > , " Santo Sengupta " > <s.santo.sengupta@> wrote: > > > > Namaste: > > It's very upsetting, but not unexpected consider the current theo- > political > > climate in Washington. > > > > CNN has a video of the event on their website: > > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/12/prayer.protest.reut/index.html# > cnnSTCVideo > > > > Jai Maa. > > -- > > -Santo > > " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I have one serious question to ask. Why didn't Zed chant the prayer in the Sanskrit language? I think Muslim chaplains have said prayers in the senate in Arabic, and Jewish chaplains have also said prayers in Hebrew. So why not Sanskrit. iwas really dissapointed that he did not. Maybe he had guidelines to follow, but in some ways i feel it represents the meek attitude that many Hindus have when dealing in the Judaeo - Christian world. No muslim would have said prayers in English. JANARDANA DASA msbauju <msbauju wrote: Here's a link to video of the entire prayer: mms://159.26.125.75/News/Incoming/HINDU PRAYER DC.wmv If you have trouble with that link, it's embedded in this news story: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/193994.aspx , " msbauju " <msbauju wrote: > > Thank you, Santo; I hadn't seen that clip. > > Well....I guess we have the goofball protestors to thank for this > historic prayer event's making it to www.cnn.com [laugh] > > I too wish there'd been more of a supportive audience present for Mr. > Zed, but maybe it was just a communications issue--perhaps the > Washington D.C. area papers didn't pick up the news of the upcoming > prayer, and so (Hindu) folks didn't hear about the event. Who > knows. In any case, as a friend points out, the historical > significance of the prayer event still stands. > > , " Santo Sengupta " > <s.santo.sengupta@> wrote: > > > > Namaste: > > It's very upsetting, but not unexpected consider the current theo- > political > > climate in Washington. > > > > CNN has a video of the event on their website: > > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/12/prayer.protest.reut/index.html# > cnnSTCVideo > > > > Jai Maa. > > -- > > -Santo > > " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I've been following the news stories on this today (obviously.) My favorite quote so far: " The Rev. Flip Benham of Operation Rescue said the three [protesters who were arrested] did not plan to protest Zed but happened to be in the public gallery after coming to Washington to lobby against proposed hate crimes legislation. " Well, that says a lot about those three and their motivations, doesn't it? http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/12/3_protest_hindu_praye r_in_us_senate/5704/ , " Santo Sengupta " <s.santo.sengupta wrote: > > Namaste: > It's very upsetting, but not unexpected consider the current theo- political > climate in Washington. > > CNN has a video of the event on their website: > http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/12/prayer.protest.reut/index.html# cnnSTCVideo > > Jai Maa. > -- > -Santo > " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I wrote my Senator and told I was very happy this is going on now. We are a melting pot and sould imbrace all Americans with oneness. And about Sanskrit, I think is great but, in this public setting it is out of respect for the USA. I believe that whatever Country your in you sould respect the language of the people. If I was in France I would speak French and so forth. And if you are correct about Arabic I am very unhappy about that and may wrote another letter. Blessed Be Ell , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > > I have one serious question to ask. Why didn't Zed chant the prayer in the Sanskrit language? I think Muslim chaplains have said prayers in the senate in Arabic, and Jewish chaplains have also said prayers in Hebrew. So why not Sanskrit. iwas really dissapointed that he did not. Maybe he had guidelines to follow, but in some ways i feel it represents the meek attitude that many Hindus have when dealing in the Judaeo - Christian world. No muslim would have said prayers in English. > > JANARDANA DASA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 *** Well....I guess we have the goofball protestors to thank for this historic prayer event's making it to www.cnn.com [laugh] *** Devi Maa has a wicked sense of humor, eh? ;-) I love the fact that these so-called " defenders of Christianity " were actually in town to lobby *against* hate-crime legislation ... AND that it was their boorish behavior that actually ended up garnering support and publicity for the event they were supposedly protesting. ;-p *** I too wish there'd been more of a supportive audience present for Mr. Zed, but maybe it was just a communications issue -- perhaps the Washington D.C. area papers didn't pick up the news of the upcoming prayer, and so (Hindu) folks didn't hear about the event. *** It's really too bad. The DC area has a pretty huge NRI population. It would be great to have seen at least a few dozen supporters in the visitor's gallery. I hope Zed distributes his remarks to the U.S. and Canadian Indian-expatriate press and spreads the word about this landmark event. *** In any case, as a friend points out, the historical significance of the prayer event still stands. *** Yes indeed. It's a pretty cool accomplishment. As for Sanskrit -- I think he was gracious to use English, but even dual English-Sanskrit would have been awesome to see. DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You are right. They are not doing unto others as you wish to be done. They are not " Defenders of Christianity " . They sound more like " Goofballs " who don't pratice what they preach. Blessed Be Ell , " Devi Bhakta " <devi_bhakta wrote: > > *** Well....I guess we have the goofball protestors to thank for this > historic prayer event's making it to www.cnn.com [laugh] *** > > Devi Maa has a wicked sense of humor, eh? ;-) > > I love the fact that these so-called " defenders of Christianity " were > actually in town to lobby *against* hate-crime legislation ... AND > that it was their boorish behavior that actually ended up garnering > support and publicity for the event they were supposedly > protesting. ;-p > > *** I too wish there'd been more of a supportive audience present for > Mr. Zed, but maybe it was just a communications issue -- perhaps the > Washington D.C. area papers didn't pick up the news of the upcoming > prayer, and so (Hindu) folks didn't hear about the event. *** > > It's really too bad. The DC area has a pretty huge NRI population. It > would be great to have seen at least a few dozen supporters in the > visitor's gallery. I hope Zed distributes his remarks to the U.S. and > Canadian Indian-expatriate press and spreads the word about this > landmark event. > > *** In any case, as a friend points out, the historical significance > of the prayer event still stands. *** > > Yes indeed. It's a pretty cool accomplishment. > > As for Sanskrit -- I think he was gracious to use English, but even > dual English-Sanskrit would have been awesome to see. > > DB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You're right about when in " Rome do like the Romans " , but Sanskrit is the liturgical language of the Hindu religion; so that makes a difference. Secondly, according to a Rediff article, he did indeed have guidelines to follow, as all prayers in US Senate have to be done in English. According to the Rediff article, he actually wanted to do the prayer in Sanskrit, bu t was stymied by the rules. Also, he has actually done it in the Nevada legislature in Sanskrit. That makes me feel a whole helluva lot better to know that those were just the rules. JANARDANA DASA Elliot <elliot_sheffield wrote: I wrote my Senator and told I was very happy this is going on now. We are a melting pot and sould imbrace all Americans with oneness. And about Sanskrit, I think is great but, in this public setting it is out of respect for the USA. I believe that whatever Country your in you sould respect the language of the people. If I was in France I would speak French and so forth. And if you are correct about Arabic I am very unhappy about that and may wrote another letter. Blessed Be Ell , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > > I have one serious question to ask. Why didn't Zed chant the prayer in the Sanskrit language? I think Muslim chaplains have said prayers in the senate in Arabic, and Jewish chaplains have also said prayers in Hebrew. So why not Sanskrit. iwas really dissapointed that he did not. Maybe he had guidelines to follow, but in some ways i feel it represents the meek attitude that many Hindus have when dealing in the Judaeo - Christian world. No muslim would have said prayers in English. > > JANARDANA DASA Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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