Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hmmm. I'm not entirely convinced a millitant approach will yield a non-militant result, even in the long run. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Only time will provide the answer for this particular case, and possibly not in our lifetimes. I must admit I'm not particularly familiar with Hindutva; what is the Hindutva take on the correct representation of Tantra and Tantric practices? , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > > I am with you in believing both sides don't have a totally pure motive. BUT, if given my choice I would stand with the Hindutva people any day; not just because i follow the religion, but because I know that they won't be strappin' on no bombs anytime soon and going that far like some of the Christians and Muslims. As a educator by profession let me give you an analogy: on the 1st day of school you always come in as hard as nails. If you do not, you will have hell to pay later on trying to get respect. Similarly, what the Hindu adherents have done is let scholars (some well meaning), present their version of Hinduism and remain acquiescent while others say or do anything however offensive & far out. Now, because of that earlier presentation, and passivity on their part, the Hindus now have hell to pay trying to gain respect, and something as simple as a proper presentation of their religion. That is something that is given to Jews, Christians, & Mohammadans just by > default! Now, if the Hindutva people, had their way, they would surely be quite rigid, etc., but, they would surely at least have Hinduism presented correctly, and by insiders (real practitioners). And then later on, because of Hinduism's self checking nature, they (the Hindutva people) would easily and automatiaclly be put back in line. > > JANARDANA DASA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 >BUT, if given my choice I would stand with the Hindutva people any >day; not just because i follow the religion, but because I know that >they won't be strappin' on no bombs anytime soon and going that far >like some of the Christians and Muslims. Don't you remember the Godhra massacre in Gujarat a couple years ago? there's more than one way to commit mass killings. And the police stood by and let it happen. Any extremist rightwing religious doctrine is capable of such things. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Your right. But although 2 wrongs don't make a right, Godhra was also precipitated by a massacre wherein many people were burned to death on a train. Have you forgottent that? Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: >BUT, if given my choice I would stand with the Hindutva people any >day; not just because i follow the religion, but because I know that >they won't be strappin' on no bombs anytime soon and going that far >like some of the Christians and Muslims. Don't you remember the Godhra massacre in Gujarat a couple years ago? there's more than one way to commit mass killings. And the police stood by and let it happen. Any extremist rightwing religious doctrine is capable of such things. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 >Your right. But although 2 wrongs don't make a right, Godhra was >also precipitated by a massacre wherein many people were burned to >death on a train. Have you forgottent that? Nope. I don't condone any of it. Atrocities are atrocities, and there are more violent episodes leading up to the train killings. It goes back, and back. My point is that Bal Thackeray types are just as capable of " religious violence " as other rightwing fundamentalists. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 You said it: ATROCITIES ARE ATROCITIES. Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: >Your right. But although 2 wrongs don't make a right, Godhra was >also precipitated by a massacre wherein many people were burned to >death on a train. Have you forgottent that? Nope. I don't condone any of it. Atrocities are atrocities, and there are more violent episodes leading up to the train killings. It goes back, and back. My point is that Bal Thackeray types are just as capable of " religious violence " as other rightwing fundamentalists. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net Real Women, Global Vision Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi again Janardana: *** Godhra was also precipitated by a massacre wherein many people were burned to death on a train. Have you forgotten that? *** Right. More than 50 Hindus were burned to death -- apparently by Muslim militants -- in their railroad car on their way home from a pilgrimage to Ajodhya. This was followed by a systematic massacre of Gujurat's Muslims, in which the (Hindu-dominated) police and government were blatantly complicit. The Muslim anger over Ajodhya dates back to the 1992 storming of the Babri Masjid by Hindu militants, which followed the same pattern of systematic Hindu-committed violence with government complicity (most notoriously Mumbai's municipal gov't, under the leadership of Bal Thackeray and the militantly Hindutva Shiva Sena party). Islamic militants struck back in 1993 with the bomb blasts in Bombay's financial district, killing hundreds. That is said to have fueled the Hindu massacre of Muslims at Godhra, and in turn Godhra is said to have in part precipitated last summer's bombing of Bombay's commuter rail system. Tit for tat, ad nauseum ... can you see that it all leads nowhere at all? You can trace it back to Mahatma Gandhi's assassination by a Hindu fundamentalist in 1948, and doubtless into the future until wiser minds prevail. I'll take tweedy academic squabblers over fundamentalists any day. DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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