Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 , " srinivasrao197080 " <srinivasrao197080 wrote: > > members, > > These are couple of quotes from Jiddu Krishnamurthy to ponder upon. > > 1) Reality is the interval between two thoughts > > 2) Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any > organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, > not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the > understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation > and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. > > The Gap or interval between two thoughts that Mr. JK mentions is > sandhya or ultimate reality. All the acts of worship, spiritual > pursuits and other sorts of practices is to have a glimpse of this > Reality - the point of Union of Day and Night, the point of union of life and birth. > > Srinivas Rao Ah! Jiddu Krishnamurthy ..... one of my favourite person. Thank you for bringing him up. Thought provoking .... maybe. But is he saying anything new. Let see what the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra says : 1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. AFTER BREATH COMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) -- THE BENEFICENCE. That is the technique: RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. After breath comes in -- that is, down -- and just before turning out -- that is, going up -- THE BENEFICENCE. Be aware between these two points, and the happening. When your breath comes in, observe. For a single moment, or a thousandth part of a moment, there is no breathing -- before it turns up, before it turns outward. One breath comes in; then there is a certain point and breathing stops. Then the breathing goes out. When the breath goes out, then again for a single moment, or a part of a moment, breathing stops. Then breathing comes in. Before the breath is turning in or turning out, there is a moment when you are not breathing. In that moment the happening is possible, because when you are not breathing you are not in the world. Understand this: when you are not breathing you are dead; you ARE still, but dead. But the moment is of such a short duration that you never observe it. For tantra, each outgoing breath is a death and each new breath is a rebirth. Breath coming in is rebirth; breath going out is death. The outgoing breath is synonymous with death; the incoming breath is synonymous with life. So with each breath you are dying and being reborn. The gap between the two is of a very short duration, but keen, sincere observation and attention will make you feel the gap. 2. AS BREATH TURNS FROM DOWN TO UP, AND AGAIN AS BREATH CURVES FROM UP TO DOWN -- THROUGH BOTH THESE TURNS, REALIZE. It is the same, but with a slight difference. The emphasis is now not on the gap, but on the turning. The outgoing and ingoing breath make a circle. Remember, these are not two parallel lines. We always think of them as two parallel lines -- breath going in and breath going out. Do you think that these are two parallel lines? They are not. Breath going in is half the circle; breath going out is the other half of the circle. So understand this: first, breathing in and out creates a circle. They are not parallel lines, because parallel lines never meet anywhere. Secondly, the breath coming in and the breath going out are not two breaths, they are one breath. The same breath which comes in, goes out, so it must have a turn inside. It must turn somewhere. There must be a point where the incoming breath becomes outgoing. Why put such emphasis upon turning? Because, Shiva says, AS BREATH TURNS FROM DOWN TO UP AND AGAIN AS BREATH CURVES FROM UP TO DOWN, THROUGH BOTH THESE TURNS, REALIZE. Very simple, but he says: realize the turns and you will realize the self. Why the turn? If you know driving you know about gears. Each time you change the gear, you have to pass through the neutral gear, which is not a gear at all. From the first gear you move to the second or from the second to the third, but always you have to move through the neutral gear. That neutral gear is a turning point. In that turning point the first gear becomes the second and the second becomes the third. When your breath goes in and turns out, it passes through the neutral gear; otherwise it cannot turn out. It passes through the neutral territory. In that neutral territory you are neither a body nor a soul, neither physical nor mental, because the physical is a gear of your being and the mental is another gear of your being. You go on moving from gear to gear, but you must have a neutral gear where you are neither body nor mind. In that neutral gear you simply are: you are simply an existence -- pure, simple, unembodied, with no mind. That is why there is the emphasis on the turn. if you stop your breath, the mind stops suddenly. If you stop your breath just now, your mind will stop suddenly; the mind cannot function. A sudden stoppage of breath and the mind stops. Why? Because they are disjoined. Only a moving breath is joined with the mind, with the body; a non-moving breath is disjoined. Then you are in the neutral gear. The car is running, the power is on, the car is making a noise -- it is ready to go forward -- but it is not in gear, so the body of the car and the mechanism of the car are not joined. The car is divided into two. It is ready to move, but the moving mechanism is not joined with it. The same happens when breath takes a turn. You are not joined with it. In that moment you can easily become aware of who you are. What is this being? What is it to be? Who is inside this house of the body? Who is the master? Am I just the house or is there some master also? Am I just the mechanism or does something else also penetrate this mechanism? In that turning gap, Shiva says, REALIZE. He says just be aware of the turning, and you become a realized soul. Dosent Shiva too talk here about the gap.. the interval between to actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Members; The point stated in the below Tantra indicates that nothing New is told.Everything is there already; but Only Interpreted in a different way as per the needs of of Modern day society. Regards. - -- In , " NMadasamy " <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: > > , " srinivasrao197080 " > <srinivasrao197080@> wrote: > > > > members, > > > > These are couple of quotes from Jiddu Krishnamurthy to ponder upon. > > > > 1) Reality is the interval between two thoughts > > > > 2) Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any > > organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or > ritual, > > not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. > He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the > > understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation > > and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. > > > > The Gap or interval between two thoughts that Mr. JK mentions is > > sandhya or ultimate reality. All the acts of worship, spiritual > > pursuits and other sorts of practices is to have a glimpse of this > > Reality - the point of Union of Day and Night, the point of union > of life and birth. > > > > Srinivas Rao > > > > Ah! Jiddu Krishnamurthy ..... one of my favourite person. Thank you > for bringing him up. > > Thought provoking .... maybe. But is he saying anything new. Let see > what the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra says : > > 1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. AFTER > BREATH COMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) -- THE > BENEFICENCE. > > That is the technique: RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN > BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. After breath comes in -- that is, down -- and > just before turning out -- that is, going up -- THE BENEFICENCE. Be > aware between these two points, and the happening. When your breath > comes in, observe. For a single moment, or a thousandth part of a > moment, there is no breathing -- before it turns up, before it turns > outward. One breath comes in; then there is a certain point and > breathing stops. Then the breathing goes out. When the breath goes > out, then again for a single moment, or a part of a moment, breathing > stops. Then breathing comes in. Before the breath is turning in or > turning out, there is a moment when you are not breathing. In that > moment the happening is possible, because when you are not breathing > you are not in the world. > > Understand this: when you are not breathing you are dead; you ARE > still, but dead. But the moment is of such a short duration that you > never observe it. For tantra, each outgoing breath is a death and > each new breath is a rebirth. Breath coming in is rebirth; breath > going out is death. The outgoing breath is synonymous with death; the > incoming breath is synonymous with life. So with each breath you are > dying and being reborn. The gap between the two is of a very short > duration, but keen, sincere observation and attention will make you > feel the gap. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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