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> members,

>

> These are couple of quotes from Jiddu Krishnamurthy to ponder upon.

>

> 1) Reality is the interval between two thoughts

>

> 2) Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any

> organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or

ritual,

> not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique.

He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the

> understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation

> and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection.

>

> The Gap or interval between two thoughts that Mr. JK mentions is

> sandhya or ultimate reality. All the acts of worship, spiritual

> pursuits and other sorts of practices is to have a glimpse of this

> Reality - the point of Union of Day and Night, the point of union

of life and birth.

>

> Srinivas Rao

 

 

 

Ah! Jiddu Krishnamurthy ..... one of my favourite person. Thank you

for bringing him up.

 

Thought provoking .... maybe. But is he saying anything new. Let see

what the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra says :

 

1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. AFTER

BREATH COMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) -- THE

BENEFICENCE.

 

That is the technique: RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN

BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. After breath comes in -- that is, down -- and

just before turning out -- that is, going up -- THE BENEFICENCE. Be

aware between these two points, and the happening. When your breath

comes in, observe. For a single moment, or a thousandth part of a

moment, there is no breathing -- before it turns up, before it turns

outward. One breath comes in; then there is a certain point and

breathing stops. Then the breathing goes out. When the breath goes

out, then again for a single moment, or a part of a moment, breathing

stops. Then breathing comes in. Before the breath is turning in or

turning out, there is a moment when you are not breathing. In that

moment the happening is possible, because when you are not breathing

you are not in the world.

 

Understand this: when you are not breathing you are dead; you ARE

still, but dead. But the moment is of such a short duration that you

never observe it. For tantra, each outgoing breath is a death and

each new breath is a rebirth. Breath coming in is rebirth; breath

going out is death. The outgoing breath is synonymous with death; the

incoming breath is synonymous with life. So with each breath you are

dying and being reborn. The gap between the two is of a very short

duration, but keen, sincere observation and attention will make you

feel the gap.

 

 

2. AS BREATH TURNS FROM DOWN TO UP, AND AGAIN AS BREATH CURVES FROM

UP TO DOWN -- THROUGH BOTH THESE TURNS, REALIZE.

 

It is the same, but with a slight difference. The emphasis is now

not on the gap, but on the turning. The outgoing and ingoing breath

make a circle. Remember, these are not two parallel lines. We always

think of them as two parallel lines -- breath going in and breath

going out. Do you think that these are two parallel lines? They are

not. Breath going in is half the circle; breath going out is the

other half of the circle.

 

So understand this: first, breathing in and out creates a circle.

They are not parallel lines, because parallel lines never meet

anywhere. Secondly, the breath coming in and the breath going out are

not two breaths, they are one breath. The same breath which comes in,

goes out, so it must have a turn inside. It must turn somewhere.

There must be a point where the incoming breath becomes outgoing. Why

put such emphasis upon turning? Because, Shiva says, AS BREATH TURNS

FROM DOWN TO UP AND AGAIN AS BREATH CURVES FROM UP TO DOWN, THROUGH

BOTH THESE TURNS, REALIZE. Very simple, but he says: realize the

turns and you will realize the self. Why the turn? If you know

driving you know about gears. Each time you change the gear, you have

to pass through the neutral gear, which is not a gear at all. From

the first gear you move to the second or from the second to the

third, but always you have to move through the neutral gear. That

neutral gear is a turning point. In that turning point the first gear

becomes the second and the second becomes the third. When your breath

goes in and turns out, it passes through the neutral gear; otherwise

it cannot turn out. It passes through the neutral territory. In that

neutral territory you are neither a body nor a soul, neither physical

nor mental, because the physical is a gear of your being and the

mental is another gear of your being. You go on moving from gear to

gear, but you must have a neutral gear where you are neither body nor

mind. In that neutral gear you simply are: you are simply an

existence -- pure, simple, unembodied, with no mind. That is why

there is the emphasis on the turn.

 

if you stop your breath, the mind stops suddenly. If you stop your

breath just now, your mind will stop suddenly; the mind cannot

function. A sudden stoppage of breath and the mind stops. Why?

Because they are disjoined. Only a moving breath is joined with the

mind, with the body; a non-moving breath is disjoined. Then you are

in the neutral gear. The car is running, the power is on, the car is

making a noise -- it is ready to go forward -- but it is not in gear,

so the body of the car and the mechanism of the car are not joined.

The car is divided into two. It is ready to move, but the moving

mechanism is not joined with it. The same happens when breath takes a

turn. You are not joined with it. In that moment you can easily

become aware of who you are. What is this being? What is it to be?

Who is inside this house of the body? Who is the master? Am I just

the house or is there some master also? Am I just the mechanism or

does something else also penetrate this mechanism? In that turning

gap, Shiva says, REALIZE. He says just be aware of the turning, and

you become a realized soul.

 

 

Dosent Shiva too talk here about the gap.. the interval between to

actions?

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Dear Members;

 

The point stated in the below Tantra indicates that nothing New is

told.Everything is there already; but Only Interpreted in a

different way as per the needs of of Modern day society.

 

Regards.

-

 

-- In , " NMadasamy "

<ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

>

> , " srinivasrao197080 "

> <srinivasrao197080@> wrote:

> >

> > members,

> >

> > These are couple of quotes from Jiddu Krishnamurthy to ponder

upon.

> >

> > 1) Reality is the interval between two thoughts

> >

> > 2) Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any

> > organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or

> ritual,

> > not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological

technique.

> He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the

> > understanding of the contents of his own mind, through

observation

> > and not through intellectual analysis or introspective

dissection.

> >

> > The Gap or interval between two thoughts that Mr. JK mentions is

> > sandhya or ultimate reality. All the acts of worship, spiritual

> > pursuits and other sorts of practices is to have a glimpse of

this

> > Reality - the point of Union of Day and Night, the point of

union

> of life and birth.

> >

> > Srinivas Rao

>

>

>

> Ah! Jiddu Krishnamurthy ..... one of my favourite person. Thank

you

> for bringing him up.

>

> Thought provoking .... maybe. But is he saying anything new. Let

see

> what the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra says :

>

> 1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS.

AFTER

> BREATH COMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) -- THE

> BENEFICENCE.

>

> That is the technique: RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY

DAWN

> BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. After breath comes in -- that is, down -- and

> just before turning out -- that is, going up -- THE BENEFICENCE.

Be

> aware between these two points, and the happening. When your

breath

> comes in, observe. For a single moment, or a thousandth part of a

> moment, there is no breathing -- before it turns up, before it

turns

> outward. One breath comes in; then there is a certain point and

> breathing stops. Then the breathing goes out. When the breath goes

> out, then again for a single moment, or a part of a moment,

breathing

> stops. Then breathing comes in. Before the breath is turning in or

> turning out, there is a moment when you are not breathing. In that

> moment the happening is possible, because when you are not

breathing

> you are not in the world.

>

> Understand this: when you are not breathing you are dead; you

ARE

> still, but dead. But the moment is of such a short duration that

you

> never observe it. For tantra, each outgoing breath is a death and

> each new breath is a rebirth. Breath coming in is rebirth; breath

> going out is death. The outgoing breath is synonymous with death;

the

> incoming breath is synonymous with life. So with each breath you

are

> dying and being reborn. The gap between the two is of a very short

> duration, but keen, sincere observation and attention will make

you

> feel the gap.

>

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