Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 rohri mani wrote: > > > > > Can somebody enlighten me on “Free will� > > Regards > Sanjeev > -------------- Free will is the notion that you exist as a separated individuated entity possessing the power of independent volition, through which you believe that it is you who thought the thought that has appeared, it is you who chose the decision that got to be chosen, it is you who acted the action which unfolded as the moment. Ergo, the other side of the coin of free will is the notion that you are responsible for whatever is happening to you, as a consequence of the actions of your free will. A fundamental notion...........out of which all other notions get to be created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will Free will raises the question whether, and in what sense, rational agents exercise control over their actions, decisions, choices. Addressing this question requires understanding the relationship between freedom and cause, and determining whether the laws of nature are causally deterministic. The various philosophical positions taken differ on whether all events are determined or not — determinism versus indeterminism — and also on whether freedom can coexist with determinism or not — compatibilism versus incompatibilism. So, for instance, 'hard determinists' are incompatibilists who argue that the universe is deterministic, and that this makes free will impossible. Libertarians are also incompatibilists. They believe that free will exists and strict causal determinism is false. Their problem is to reconcile free will with chance or indeterminism, which threatens to make actions random. The principle of free will has religious, ethical, and scientific implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will implies that an omnipotent divinity does not assert its power over individual will and choices. In ethics, it implies that individuals can be held morally accountable for their actions. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought. ..... .... ... http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06259a.htm The question of free will, moral liberty, or the liberum arbitrium of the Schoolmen, ranks amongst the three or four most important philosophical problems of all time. It ramifies into ethics, theology, metaphysics, and psychology. The view adopted in response to it will determine a man's position in regard to the most momentous issues that present themselves to the human mind. On the one hand, does man possess genuine moral freedom, power of real choice, true ability to determine the course of his thoughts and volitions, to decide which motives shall prevail within his mind, to modify and mould his own character? Or, on the other, are man's thoughts and volitions, his character and external actions, all merely the inevitable outcome of his circumstances? Are they all inexorably predetermined in every detail along rigid lines by events of the past, over which he himself has had no sort of control? This is the real import of the free-will problem. .... ... .. http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/V014 'Free will' is the conventional name of a topic that is best discussed without reference to the will. Its central questions are 'What is it to act (or choose) freely?', and 'What is it to be morally responsible for one's actions (or choices)?' These two questions are closely connected, for freedom of action is necessary for moral responsibility, even if it is not sufficient. Philosophers give very different answers to these questions, hence also to two more specific questions about ourselves: (1) Are we free agents? and (2) Can we be morally responsible for what we do? Answers to (1) and (2) range from 'Yes, Yes' to 'No, No' - via 'Yes, No' and various degrees of 'Perhaps', 'Possibly', and 'In a sense'. (The fourth pair of outright answers, 'No, Yes', is rare, but appears to be accepted by some Protestants.) Prominent among the 'Yes, Yes' sayers are the compatibilists, who hold that free will is compatible with determinism. Briefly, determinism is the view that everything that happens is necessitated by what has already gone before, in such a way that nothing can happen otherwise than it does. According to compatibilists, freedom is compatible with determinism because freedom is essentially just a matter of not being constrained or hindered in certain ways when one acts or chooses. Thus normal adult human beings in normal circumstances are able to act and choose freely. No one is holding a gun to their heads. They are not drugged, or in chains, or subject to a psychological compulsion. They are therefore wholly free to choose and act even if their whole physical and psychological make-up is entirely determined by things for which they are in no way ultimately responsible - starting with their genetic inheritance and early upbringing. ..... .... ... http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/freewill1.html Ambiguous figures, of which the Serendip logo (circa 1994-95) is one example, make possible some interesting observations bearing on the existence and meaning of " free will " . In most people's minds, " free will " has two relatively distinct properties. The first is the idea that what one does is in some sense " free " , that is " not determined by something else " . The second is the idea that one can onself control what one does. ..... .... ... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Gurubuster <fanatofida wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thank you Sreekumarji and others for the feed back on free will. However, i would like to know more on hindu view on this subject. With regards Sanjeev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha dear friends, i wud like to add some thoughts. the most important thing that happens is not in our hand. ---conception of ourself ---sunrise and sunset [ without sunrise world wud freeze over ] ---our breathing [ we cant control fully it trully speaking ] ---our thoughts we may be able to calm or alter,but these r electrical impluses in brain.ie they r just an energy form. ---rotation of earth ---various seasons so majority of the really important things we req for survival r really not in our hands. what we think is in our hand maybe also not so,as we r a product of nature and nuture. so basically we can think we have freewill. but real truth only maa adi shakti narayani knows. om shakti gopal On 11/17/09, rohri mani <rohri_mani wrote: > > > > Thank you Sreekumarji and others for the feed back on free will. > However, i would like to know more on hindu view on this subject. > With regards > Sanjeev > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\ +++++++ TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 They say  " Free will is like a callte tied to a pole with a rope. It can eat grass anywhere (only) within  the radius of the rope "  Do you really have a free will ? Are there rope(s) of desire, fear, past impressions, attitude, beliefs, ................  --- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohri mani <rohri_mani wrote: rohri mani <rohri_mani Re: Free Will Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:19 PM  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 gopal narayan wrote: > > > jai gurudev > > om shivgoraksha > > dear friends, > > i wud like to add some thoughts. > > the most important thing that happens is not in our hand. > ------ The most important? Even the least significant...(the defining as important or insignificant.......bing accompanying thoughts)....... ...is an non-volitional acasual event in a seamless continuum which is neither linear, nor non-linear. The term " event " without the connotation of a durational occurrence in time. --------- > > ---conception of ourself > > ---sunrise and sunset [ without sunrise world wud freeze over ] > > ---our breathing [ we cant control fully it trully speaking ] > > ---our thoughts we may be able to calm or alter,but these > r electrical impluses in brain.ie they r just an energy form. > > ---rotation of earth > > ---various seasons > > so majority of the really important things we req for survival r really > not in our hands. > > what we think is in our hand maybe also not so,as we r a product > of nature and nuture. > > so basically we can think we have freewill. > ------ Even this very thought that one exists and ergo one has free will to think, decide among options, act on the decision taken...... ........was there any volitional, individuated separative " thinker " who constructed that very thought? The sense of the presence of thought, whether profound or profane..............whether about a circus or about Adi Shakti......... .....infers the sense of a thinker. A sense of a thinker for whom either the circus is enticing or Adi Shakti. ----- > > but real truth only maa adi shakti narayani knows. > > om shakti > > gopal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 .... .... Maybe we could just realize the rope is also made of grass and eat it too! ; )...lol hugs everybody -- Rafael Espadine On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Sriram Dongre <sriramadongrewrote: > > They say > > " Free will is like a callte tied to a pole with a rope. > It can eat grass anywhere (only) within the radius of the rope " > > Do you really have a free will ? > Are there rope(s) of desire, fear, past impressions, attitude, beliefs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 jai gurudev om shivgoraksha i agree even the thought that i have free will,is nothing but a leela of mother adi shakti lalita tripurasundari param prakruti. so basically we r just play things !!! om shakti gopal On 11/18/09, Gurubuster <fanatofida wrote: > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\ +++++++ TRUTH PATH DESTINATION GOAL REAL ADIGURU SALVATION KARMA DESTINY AND ALL THAT EXISTS IS ONLY SUPREME NATURE SUPREME ENERGY DIVINE MOTHER ADI SHAKTI MAHAKAALI MAHALAXMI MAHASARASWATI LALITA TRIPURA SUNDARI KULKUNDALINI PARMESHWARI SHE IS THE ONLY BEING IN EXISTANCE AND WE ARE ALL PART OF HER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 *Om Sahana Vavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu Sahaveeryam Karavavahai Tejas Vinavati Tamastuma vidhwishavahai Om Shanti Shanti Shantihi* On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 gopal narayan wrote: > > > jai gurudev > > om shivgoraksha > > i agree even the thought that i have free will,is nothing but a leela of > mother adi shakti lalita tripurasundari param prakruti. > > so basically we r just play things !!! > Not even that. Both the appearance of the particular and the simultaneous transcendence of the particular............ is just..............(give it whatever name) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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