Why Hindus are not getting desired result as a society ?

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Sub: Why Hindus are not getting desired result as a society ?

 

 

 

 

I AM WRITING ABOUT PROBLEMS FACED BY INDIAN PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC

REFERENCE AS TO HOW THEY CAN BE SORTED OUT BY REVIVAL OF HINDU RELIGION.

THE NAME OF MY BLOG IS AGNI PARIKSHA OF SITA

<http://awara32.blogspot.com/> AND THE URL IS

http://awara32.blogspot.com/ <http://awara32.blogspot.com/>

 

Excerpts from my post " Ramayan and History

<http://awara32.blogspot.com/2008_07_05_archive.html> "

 

" Lot of people have started feeling that Hindu Religion has totally

moved away from the cherished path and is now completely moving in a

different direction as a result that Hindus, by and large, although

being highly religious, are not getting desired result as a society.

Lack of education for girls, dowry deaths, suicides among farmers,

increase in court cases among relatives, mistrust and discontent, are

all physical parameters to measure the effectiveness or success/failure

of religion in a society. This compiled with fact that religious shops

(no. of Gurus) have increased, the spending on religion by Hindus have

increased drastically-- speak of disastrous misadventure. All this need

to be corrected– at least sincere effort has to be made " .

 

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and also help in spreading the message.

 

Regards

 

Kulbhushan Singhal

 

 

 

 

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Namaskar,

 

I am not ignoring the mentioned problems, but based on my limited

understanding, I think a big part of the mentioned problems is a lack of

available education in general. This is just based on my limited

understanding. People in the city I would imagine (at least middle class

and higher class) would likely face considerably less of the issues than

other groups. A brahmin actually lectured in one of my classes about the

subject and this is more or less what she suggested, based on her research.

 

The social problems may also be dependent on state or city cultures. For

instance, Kerala and the city of Kolkata have not only a literacy rate

higher than the national average of India, but also have areas where

matriarch leanings are significant and thus, women's rights tend to be less

of a problem amongst these areas (anyone from these regions can correct me

if I am wrong).

 

Some people may generalize this and that as part of Hinduism, but I would

also beg to offer the explanation that the concept of the religion itself is

difficult to generalize. As many in the group know, we are talking about

numerous groups - some even differing and contradicting - being grouped into

one religion. Cultures play a big part in each state and also contribute to

concerns such as social stratification, inequality, and so forth, as well.

I will not go in much further detail than this so I do not stir too much

political controversy, but it is worth at least researching some basics of

how the mainstream cultures may vary in each state and to see if there is

any social science research on the dynamics. These are just my thoughts on

how to make a better product (though it may make the article longer!).

 

Just some thoughts from someone still learning a lot herself!

 

 

Namaste.

 

Jai Ma!

 

Sincerely,

Arya/Christina

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Kulbhushan Singhal <kbs140wrote:

 

> Sub: Why Hindus are not getting desired result as a society ?

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> I AM WRITING ABOUT PROBLEMS FACED BY INDIAN PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC

> REFERENCE AS TO HOW THEY CAN BE SORTED OUT BY REVIVAL OF HINDU RELIGION.

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

The subject is good one for Social Studies.

 

I think it is not only related to Hindus but to all citizen of India . This is

true for entire Indian sub-continent.

Yes I also do agree with you that lack of Education among Indians is the primary

reason.

 

There are many other issues , the main reason is lack of brotherhood feeling,

which leads to Nationalism.

 

This is very clear from the characters of our past and present

Political/Social/religious leaders.

 

Kindly leave exceptions as exceptions does not depict the correct picture of any

thing.

 

This is the story of Hindustan from the ancient time.

 

It is a gift of nature, we can't deny the fact.

 

Hence, it is better to close the subject instead of continueing.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 17/1/10, Amaya Kalarathri <theilluminatedcelestial wrote:

 

Amaya Kalarathri <theilluminatedcelestial

Re: Why Hindus are not getting desired result as a

society ?

 

Sunday, 17 January, 2010, 5:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaskar,

 

 

 

I am not ignoring the mentioned problems, but based on my limited

 

understanding, I think a big part of the mentioned problems is a lack of

 

available education in general. This is just based on my limited

 

understanding. People in the city I would imagine (at least middle class

 

and higher class) would likely face considerably less of the issues than

 

other groups. A brahmin actually lectured in one of my classes about the

 

subject and this is more or less what she suggested, based on her research.

 

 

 

The social problems may also be dependent on state or city cultures. For

 

instance, Kerala and the city of Kolkata have not only a literacy rate

 

higher than the national average of India, but also have areas where

 

matriarch leanings are significant and thus, women's rights tend to be less

 

of a problem amongst these areas (anyone from these regions can correct me

 

if I am wrong).

 

 

 

Some people may generalize this and that as part of Hinduism, but I would

 

also beg to offer the explanation that the concept of the religion itself is

 

difficult to generalize. As many in the group know, we are talking about

 

numerous groups - some even differing and contradicting - being grouped into

 

one religion. Cultures play a big part in each state and also contribute to

 

concerns such as social stratification, inequality, and so forth, as well.

 

I will not go in much further detail than this so I do not stir too much

 

political controversy, but it is worth at least researching some basics of

 

how the mainstream cultures may vary in each state and to see if there is

 

any social science research on the dynamics. These are just my thoughts on

 

how to make a better product (though it may make the article longer!).

 

 

 

Just some thoughts from someone still learning a lot herself!

 

 

 

Namaste.

 

 

 

Jai Ma!

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Arya/Christina

 

 

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Kulbhushan Singhal <kbs140 >wrote:

 

 

 

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> I AM WRITING ABOUT PROBLEMS FACED BY INDIAN PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC

 

> REFERENCE AS TO HOW THEY CAN BE SORTED OUT BY REVIVAL OF HINDU RELIGION.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In , " Kulbhushan Singhal " <kbs140 wrote:

Sub: Why Hindus are not getting desired result as a society ?

>

 

> I AM WRITING ABOUT PROBLEMS FACED BY INDIAN PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC

> REFERENCE AS TO HOW THEY CAN BE SORTED OUT BY REVIVAL OF HINDU RELIGION.

> THE NAME OF MY BLOG IS AGNI PARIKSHA OF SITA

> <http://awara32.blogspot.com/> AND THE URL IS

> http://awara32.blogspot.com/ <http://awara32.blogspot.com/>

>

> Excerpts from my post " Ramayan and History

> <http://awara32.blogspot.com/2008_07_05_archive.html> "

>

> " Lot of people have started feeling that Hindu Religion has totally moved away

from the cherished path and is now completely moving in a different direction as

a result that Hindus, by and large, although being highly religious, are not

getting desired result as a society. Lack of education for girls, dowry deaths,

suicides among farmers, increase in court cases among relatives, mistrust and

discontent, are all physical parameters to measure the effectiveness or

success/failure of religion in a society. This compiled with fact that religious

shops (no. of Gurus) have increased, the spending on religion by Hindus have

increased drastically-- speak of disastrous misadventure. All this need to be

corrected– at least sincere effort has to be made " .

>

> Please do visit this blog and do write your comment about the content,

> and also help in spreading the message.

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbhushan Singhal

>

 

 

 

I agreed with the other who said this is more of a social studies issues. Few

questions come to mind :

 

[1] What do we understand by desired result? Can you be more specific.... do you

mean Hindu should be like Islam or christianity, spreading widely like hot

cakes... using fear and intimidation and force conversion? You prefer Hinduism

to go along this line? When suddenly there is mass conversion of people into

Hinduism you feel that is a good sign? Or we should offer spiritual rewards

system and corrupt the minds of the people, like the same method they use to put

in the head of the suicide bombers?

 

[2] Religion does not operate in a vaccum. It is influence by other factors

namely political, economical, educationally. Like all the other religions it

should evolve accordingly to the needs of the society. Matured society does not

mean they are highly religious people. All those examples you have said, are you

telling me it a new social ills? and because they are there and have not changed

much, so it means religion has failed?

 

Which my next question comes.....

 

[3] What do you mean highly religious? It is my opinion too being highly

religious does not bring forth progress but instead a stumbling block and have

crippling effect on the mindset of the whole society on the whole. Does that

mean that society that have no religious belief are a failed society?

 

When I read this message it reminds me of the few other post that have come

along this group with the tittle " Hinduism is being threaten... " , " hinduism is a

dying.... " . All these are the kind of messages that meant to create the state of

paranoia among the people. You intention is to create fear and this whole sense

of insecurity. WHY?

 

Worshipping should be free from all these.

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

I agree with this. My spiritual practice has to address me and my problems

before I use it as a tool to fix the rest of the world.

 

Also, when I am centered in my practice and have a good relationship with Devi

then I will have some idea about the right choices to make the right steps to

take, for myself in the world. Then these frightening questions about the world

at large are not so much a part of my thinking.

 

But this also makes me chuckle. I have a small women's spiritual group I have

been working with for over 2 years now. We have had ebbs and flows, but last

night getting together there was only the 3 of us to start out the year.

 

I told one of my sisters that it's hard for me to establish my " evil empire " if

people don't show up!

 

The truth is that we have something very good to share, naturally I hope that

there will be others that benefit from it. But all things belong to the Goddess

and She will choose what is right.

 

In the Devimahatmaya, hymnto NArAyANi it says:

 

11.31

Who other than you abides in all forms of learning,in

the sacred texts that are lights of understanding, in the

primordial wisdom of the Vedas? Yet who else confounds

this universe in the darkest abyss of of attachment?

 

Jai Maa

 

pr

 

 

, " NMadasamy " <nora wrote:

>

>

>

>

> In , " Kulbhushan Singhal " <kbs140@> wrote:

> Sub: Why Hindus are not getting desired result as a society ?

> >

>

> > I AM WRITING ABOUT PROBLEMS FACED BY INDIAN PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC

> > REFERENCE AS TO HOW THEY CAN BE SORTED OUT BY REVIVAL OF HINDU RELIGION.

> > THE NAME OF MY BLOG IS AGNI PARIKSHA OF SITA

> > <http://awara32.blogspot.com/> AND THE URL IS

> > http://awara32.blogspot.com/ <http://awara32.blogspot.com/>

> >

> > Excerpts from my post " Ramayan and History

> > <http://awara32.blogspot.com/2008_07_05_archive.html> "

> >

> > " Lot of people have started feeling that Hindu Religion has totally moved

away from the cherished path and is now completely moving in a different

direction as a result that Hindus, by and large, although being highly

religious, are not getting desired result as a society. Lack of education for

girls, dowry deaths, suicides among farmers, increase in court cases among

relatives, mistrust and discontent, are all physical parameters to measure the

effectiveness or success/failure of religion in a society. This compiled with

fact that religious shops (no. of Gurus) have increased, the spending on

religion by Hindus have increased drastically-- speak of disastrous

misadventure. All this need to be corrected– at least sincere effort has to be

made " .

> >

> > Please do visit this blog and do write your comment about the content,

> > and also help in spreading the message.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbhushan Singhal

> >

>

>

>

> I agreed with the other who said this is more of a social studies issues. Few

questions come to mind :

>

> [1] What do we understand by desired result? Can you be more specific.... do

you mean Hindu should be like Islam or christianity, spreading widely like hot

cakes... using fear and intimidation and force conversion? You prefer Hinduism

to go along this line? When suddenly there is mass conversion of people into

Hinduism you feel that is a good sign? Or we should offer spiritual rewards

system and corrupt the minds of the people, like the same method they use to put

in the head of the suicide bombers?

>

> [2] Religion does not operate in a vaccum. It is influence by other factors

namely political, economical, educationally. Like all the other religions it

should evolve accordingly to the needs of the society. Matured society does not

mean they are highly religious people. All those examples you have said, are you

telling me it a new social ills? and because they are there and have not changed

much, so it means religion has failed?

>

> Which my next question comes.....

>

> [3] What do you mean highly religious? It is my opinion too being highly

religious does not bring forth progress but instead a stumbling block and have

crippling effect on the mindset of the whole society on the whole. Does that

mean that society that have no religious belief are a failed society?

>

> When I read this message it reminds me of the few other post that have come

along this group with the tittle " Hinduism is being threaten... " , " hinduism is a

dying.... " . All these are the kind of messages that meant to create the state of

paranoia among the people. You intention is to create fear and this whole sense

of insecurity. WHY?

>

> Worshipping should be free from all these.

>

[Guest guest]

That is also a sound point.

 

Another thing I would like to add is another thing in the social

science/studies: cause and effect, which has already been addressed briefly

in this thread. There could be other things involved in the social problems

in South Asia that we may take for granted. I already mentioned considering

culture and education, but there are also other circumstances. Are

populated areas in question in a war-like environment or officially at war?

During a state of war, societies are in their worse states.

 

Now, this is not to say no one may try to use religion as something to

incite violence. It has happened before. There is an occasional report of

caste violence, but inter-caste violence is still a rare occurrence and only

prevalent in certain areas. However, to blame noted social problems solely

on a religion is also hardly doing the situation justice, either. A number

of people feel the Muslim religion is solely to blame for all the world

tyrannies, but then you have places like Bahrain where a mosque, Hindu

temple, and Christian church are in the same street corner. This said,

tyrannies in the name of one religion or another do exist and I am not

ignoring that, either. So, again, other things in the social

science/studies needs investigating. The interaction of many variables

create a situation, undesired or not.

 

Another good question has been posted by someone already: what is to be done

about the situation? Would strongly seeking conversion lead to an unhealthy

fanaticism? What about the idea of addressing additional aspects of a

problem and not focus on religion? Vocational training through community

service efforts to help people get the jobs they need? Awareness lectures

to make people aware of the problems in their own community and addressing

the various resources needed to work on such things?

 

In any event, I do agree this is a social science/studies concern and while

religion is part of a social environment, one must be careful of focusing

solely on that as the place for change. It also becomes even more of a

confounding issue when the religion has many facets and it is hard to

generalize it, as well. When this becomes a concern, it becomes more

evident other variables need investigating.

 

More thoughts on the matter...

 

 

Jai Ma!

 

Sincerely,

Arya/Christina

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote:

 

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> I agree with this. My spiritual practice has to address me and my problems

> before I use it as a tool to fix the rest of the world.

>

> Also, when I am centered in my practice and have a good relationship with

> Devi then I will have some idea about the right choices to make the right

> steps to take, for myself in the world. Then these frightening questions

> about the world at large are not so much a part of my thinking.

>

> But this also makes me chuckle. I have a small women's spiritual group I

> have been working with for over 2 years now. We have had ebbs and flows, but

> last night getting together there was only the 3 of us to start out the

> year.

>

> I told one of my sisters that it's hard for me to establish my " evil

> empire " if people don't show up!

>

> The truth is that we have something very good to share, naturally I hope

> that there will be others that benefit from it. But all things belong to the

> Goddess and She will choose what is right.

>

> In the Devimahatmaya, hymnto NArAyANi it says:

>

> 11.31

> Who other than you abides in all forms of learning,in

> the sacred texts that are lights of understanding, in the

> primordial wisdom of the Vedas? Yet who else confounds

> this universe in the darkest abyss of of attachment?

>

> Jai Maa

>

> pr

>

>