Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 yes it seems to exist there specillay in Tibet they worship Tara maha vidhya and bhudhh to with her kind of shiva's form but with differant name , " intimationsofinfinity " <intimationsofinfinity wrote: > > Today someone asked me whether there is a direct analogue of Sri Vidya that exists in Buddhism; I was nonplussed. > > Does Sri Vidya also exist in a Tantric Buddhist form? > > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Namaskar Everyone, My name is Uddhava, I¹ve been ghosting for quiet some time and have learned so much from all of you. But I had to speak as this topic has been close to my heart for some time. I am a disciple of Sri Sarada Devi and Sri Ramakrishna and Hindu tantra, but I have been practicing Chöd for some years and I also practice the Thröma Nöndro. I don¹t think that direct analogue is the best way to say it, but I am amazed and inspired by the similarities and cognates between the two (Buddhist and Hindu) tantric systems. I believe that at the time of the Maha Siddhas, among tantra practitioners, there was more overlap than we generally think. I believe practitioners went freely between the two spiritual cultures. And I certainly do now. The oneness of the tantric world, it¹s quite a topic. I hate being asked if I¹m Hindu or Buddhist as practicing tantra, they¹ve never seemed exclusive to me. My best wishes to you all. Sincerely, Uddhava Saradadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 i belive in tantra there is no race of cast so no question of asking hindu or budhha but some time one question puzzel me that is it necessary to pass through all ritual to relize Mother.? I think Ramkrishan hardly speak about tantra openly in gospal. sorry for my english mistake --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Uddhava Saradadasa <uddhava wrote: Uddhava Saradadasa <uddhava My name is Uddhava, I¹ve been ghosting for quiet some time and have learned so much from all of you. But I had to speak as this topic has been close to my heart for some time. I am a disciple of Sri Sarada Devi and Sri Ramakrishna and Hindu tantra, but I have been practicing Chöd for some years and I also practice the Thröma Nöndro. I don¹t think that direct analogue is the best way to say it, but I am amazed and inspired by the similarities and cognates between the two (Buddhist and Hindu) tantric systems. I believe that at the time of the Maha Siddhas, among tantra practitioners, there was more overlap than we generally think. I believe practitioners went freely between the two spiritual cultures. And I certainly do now. The oneness of the tantric world, it¹s quite a topic. I hate being asked if I¹m Hindu or Buddhist as practicing tantra, they¹ve never seemed exclusive to me. My best wishes to you all. Sincerely, Uddhava Saradadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Directly, no, Buddhist tantra does not have Sri Vidya, because it does not recognise the Devi in this form. However, individual Devis and Devatas from the Sri Vidya family are found in Buddhist tantra. For example, Varahi is the Dakini Vajravarahi, one of the highest initiations given in Buddhist tantra of the Nyingma sect. Tara, as mentioned by several other members, is also worshipped extensively in Buddhism, not just the tantric sects. Then we have Mahakala and the Dik-palas and the yoginis, who are present as Dharma protectors and guardians of the gate of the mandala (and by the way, mandalas and the sri chakra are very similar - you can refer to the Berzin archives for a scholarly presentation of the Kalachakra tantra) The Buddhist tantra system does have its equivalent of Kundalini sadhana (called Chandali), swapna vaartaali (Dream Yoga using the Dakini Vajrayogini) and many others. The sanhaara-krama of the visualisation corresponds to the sampatti-krama of tantric visualisation. There are many parallels... Someone mentioned the 84 siddhas of Tantric buddhism. If one compares them with the gurus of the Natha sampradaya, one will be amazed to the see the parallels in the legends, which clearly shows that there must have been extensive cross-fertilisation in the two traditions. On a similar note, if our Western readers have been involved in ceremonial magick of the western traditions, including Qabbalah, Golden Dawn and Sumerian Magic, can you please throw some light on the parallels with those traditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Dear Sir, We had been tought from our childhood that origin of everything is in Veda. Hence, I may fall in " Kumbhipaka Naraka " , if i dare to analyze Veda or any Vedic literature. There fore. even though Buddhism was the originator, founder and developer of all forms of Tantra,Mantra and Yantra; followed by Jainism and thereafter followed by others, we can not accept this reality, as we believe that Vedic religion is Supreme and all religions are originated from it and also merged in it. Therefore, the debate will not yield any good thing except confrontation. --- On Wed, 27/1/10, intimationsofinfinity <intimationsofinfinity wrote: Today someone asked me whether there is a direct analogue of Sri Vidya that exists in Buddhism; I was nonplussed. Does Sri Vidya also exist in a Tantric Buddhist form? C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Hi Abhijit I guess we all agreed with all your claims. And as you don't believe in all this nonsense why be a part of a group which seeks to propagate all this nonsense? Aditya On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Abhijit Dasgupta < abhijitdasgupta92 wrote: > > We had been tought from our childhood that origin of everything is in > Veda. > > Hence, I may fall in " Kumbhipaka Naraka " , if i dare to analyze Veda or any > Vedic literature. > > There fore. even though Buddhism was the originator, founder and developer > of all forms of Tantra,Mantra and Yantra; followed by Jainism and thereafter > followed by others, we can not accept this reality, as we believe that > Vedic religion is Supreme and all religions are originated from it and also > merged in it. > > Therefore, the debate will not yield any good thing except confrontation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Namaste: I too am a devotee of Sri Ramakrishna and the Holy Mother, though I have not had much formal practice. Being in the West, I've had to self-teach myself rather a lot. Some of the similarities between Buddhist Vajrayana and Hindu Tantra are directly historical. Tantric Buddhism has many roots in medieval (12th century) Bengal, and though both paths have diverged, their are many places were they are identical. As others have mentioned, the goddess Tara is one of those points of confluence. Even to this day many of Her mantras are still the same, though her iconography (and some of her portfolio) has drifted. I do hope with India accepting the Tibetan exiles (and how unlikely it will be that china will allow them to freely practice their faith) that our two faiths can yet again learn and grow from each other. I tend to be a bit of a futurist in my outlook, but part of me looks forward to a new golden age of transhumanist hindu-buddhist tantra. Playfully yours. -S. Santo Sengupta " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Uddhava Saradadasa <uddhavawrote: > > > Namaskar Everyone, > > My name is Uddhava, I¹ve been ghosting for quiet some time and have learned > so much from all of you. But I had to speak as this topic has been close to > my heart for some time. > > I am a disciple of Sri Sarada Devi and Sri Ramakrishna and Hindu tantra, > but > I have been practicing Chöd for some years and I also practice the Thröma > Nöndro. I don¹t think that direct analogue is the best way to say it, but I > am amazed and inspired by the similarities and cognates between the two > (Buddhist and Hindu) tantric systems. I believe that at the time of the > Maha Siddhas, among tantra practitioners, there was more overlap than we > generally think. I believe practitioners went freely between the two > spiritual cultures. And I certainly do now. The oneness of the tantric > world, it¹s quite a topic. I hate being asked if I¹m Hindu or Buddhist as > practicing tantra, they¹ve never seemed exclusive to me. > > My best wishes to you all. > > Sincerely, Uddhava Saradadasa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Namaskar, I do admit that even though I will be doing a lot of my studying on Northeast Indian goddess traditions, I hope I will someday be able to make a trip to Dharmasala and do comparative study on Tibetan Buddhism and the traditions of which I seek to study. If anything, I can help expand understanding to the West regarding these things. In some ways, I think comparative studies, even if they may not always be " accurate, " at least attempt to help people realize the humanity in practices and how we all are children of God (or insert other name here). The idea of a Hindu-Buddhist Tantra sect sounds like an interesting concept. Even more interesting, I think the Dalai Lama and one of the Hindu swamis compared notes a while back and noticed how Mahayana Buddhism and Hinduism really are not too different from each other. It boiled down to how certain terminology is different and the idea Buddhists do not adhere to the Indian caste system (not taking a stance here, just pointing it out!). This said, many of our saints have had similar standings in certain time periods...so that may be more of a societal thing than anything based on certain time periods. Jai Ma! Aum Shanthi. Sincerely, Arya/Christina On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Santo Sengupta <s.santo.senguptawrote: > Namaste: > > I too am a devotee of Sri Ramakrishna and the Holy Mother, though I have > not > had much formal practice. Being in the West, I've had to self-teach myself > rather a lot. > > Some of the similarities between Buddhist Vajrayana and Hindu Tantra are > directly historical. Tantric Buddhism has many roots in medieval (12th > century) Bengal, and though both paths have diverged, their are many places > were they are identical. As others have mentioned, the goddess Tara is one > of those points of confluence. Even to this day many of Her mantras are > still the same, though her iconography (and some of her portfolio) has > drifted. > > I do hope with India accepting the Tibetan exiles (and how unlikely it will > be that china will allow them to freely practice their faith) that our two > faiths can yet again learn and grow from each other. I tend to be a bit of > a futurist in my outlook, but part of me looks forward to a new golden age > of transhumanist hindu-buddhist tantra. > > Playfully yours. > > -S. Santo Sengupta > " Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I think Mr. jha is effected , if I am being enlightened. I dont understand his logic nor his philosophy. --- On Fri, 29/1/10, Aditya Kumar Jha <aditya.kr.jha wrote: Aditya Kumar Jha <aditya.kr.jha Re: Sri Vidya and Buddhist Tantra Friday, 29 January, 2010, 5:35 PM Hi Abhijit I guess we all agreed with all your claims. And as you don't believe in all this nonsense why be a part of a group which seeks to propagate all this nonsense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 To everyone who responded on this thread I started---thank you. I found what I was looking for! C. , Santo Sengupta <s.santo.sengupta wrote: > > Namaste: > > I too am a devotee of Sri Ramakrishna and the Holy Mother, though I have not > had much formal practice. Being in the West, I've had to self-teach myself > rather a lot. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 ...... iti keelakam On 1/30/10, intimationsofinfinity <intimationsofinfinity wrote: > > > > To everyone who responded on this thread I started---thank you. I found > what I was looking for! > > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.