Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Namaste Everybody, Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- please read and share your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the teachings of Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme Divinity. Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme Divinity. When he was eight years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the comforts of home and adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices for three years after that and obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme truth. The perceivable world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are sleeping, we watch a dream. When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. There are times in our sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken we can say with certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present reality. In a similar way, we understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this perceivable world alone is true reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our ignorance, we realize the nature of true existence. Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme Divinity is different from Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not different and they are both truth. When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is combined together and they are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is illuminated by considering the following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. It is silent, but when you look at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. When it is quiet also, it is a snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no energy to move. The Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are therefore not different. The snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to move was not manifest. The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its capacity to move. Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference are that of fire (the object) and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its light (energy). When we think of a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, when we remember the light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, we cannot think of the stone and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the energy (shakti) of Supreme Divinity. That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is called Kali in the Tantras and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we learn or have an intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not the highest truth. However, once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily truth. It is so beautiful and completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will you reach Supreme Divinity, without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable world, regarding it as real and true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts is different. How is it different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in everything and everywhere. God fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is everywhere and in everything. Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam (Infinite Consciouness), Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with truth, we live with pure consciousness, we live with God. " Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof of a multi-storied building. If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a complete understanding. But when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize that the steps and the roof are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). Similarly, before we obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature of Supreme Divinity, the individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this highest understanding, we have no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and Guru and move forward. When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. Shree Maa says, " All is beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of creation, what we can see and what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there yesterday and what will be tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there is God. There is Infinite consciousness. Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 What a profound and beautiful teaching...that made my day (or more?) Thank you Jai Maa Sushuddha On 6/12/07, n_ramya108 <n_ramya108 wrote: Namaste Everybody,Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- please read and share your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa!Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the teachings of Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme Divinity.Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme Divinity. When he was eight years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the comforts of home and adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices for three years after that and obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme truth. The perceivable world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are sleeping, we watch a dream. When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. There are times in our sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken we can say with certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present reality. In a similar way, we understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true.Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this perceivable world alone is true reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our ignorance, we realize the nature of true existence. Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme Divinity is different from Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not different and they are both truth. When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is combined together and they are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated.We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is illuminated by considering the following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. It is silent, but when you look at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. When it is quiet also, it is a snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no energy to move. The Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are therefore not different. The snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to move was not manifest. The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its capacity to move. Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference are that of fire (the object) and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its light (energy). When we think of a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, when we remember the light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, we cannot think of the stone and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the energy (shakti) of Supreme Divinity.That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is called Kali in the Tantras and Sri Krishna in the Puranas.Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we learn or have an intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not the highest truth. However, once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily truth. It is so beautiful and completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will you reach Supreme Divinity, without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable world, regarding it as real and true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts is different. How is it different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in everything and everywhere. God fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is everywhere and in everything. Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam (Infinite Consciouness), Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with truth, we live with pure consciousness, we live with God. " Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof of a multi-storied building. If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a complete understanding. But when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize that the steps and the roof are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). Similarly, before we obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature of Supreme Divinity, the individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this highest understanding, we have no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and Guru and move forward.When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. Shree Maa says, " All is beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of creation, what we can see and what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there yesterday and what will be tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there is God. There is Infinite consciousness. Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " -- Matthew GindinTO, Canada 416-633-7765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if only to eliminate the distance between the observer and the observed...! Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as illusory and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we obsess on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. That we are concerned about the future also takes away from our participation in the present. If the present moment isn't observed in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the moment is lost. I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is delighted by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with joy. He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of the pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He sees its perfection clearly, every time. He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably make a very good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few worldly things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education is probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions are sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all over the yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. Utter joy. Every time. I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because there is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He doesn't worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he lives in simple bliss. Such a beautiful sight to see.... much love and peace to all! sal. , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108 wrote: > > Namaste Everybody, > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- please read and share > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the teachings of > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme Divinity. > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme Divinity. When he was eight > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the comforts of home and > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices for three years after that and > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme truth. The perceivable > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are sleeping, we watch a dream. > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. There are times in our > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken we can say with > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present reality. In a similar way, we > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this perceivable world alone is true > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our ignorance, we realize the > nature of true existence. > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme Divinity is different from > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not different and they are both truth. > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is combined together and they > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is illuminated by considering the > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. It is silent, but when you look > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. When it is quiet also, it is a > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no energy to move. The > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are therefore not different. The > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to move was not manifest. > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its capacity to move. > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference are that of fire (the object) > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its light (energy). When we think of > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, when we remember the > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, we cannot think of the stone > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the energy (shakti) of Supreme > Divinity. > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is called Kali in the Tantras > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we learn or have an > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not the highest truth. However, > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily truth. It is so beautiful and > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will you reach Supreme Divinity, > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable world, regarding it as real and > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts is different. How is it > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in everything and everywhere. God > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is everywhere and in everything. > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam (Infinite Consciouness), > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with truth, we live with pure > consciousness, we live with God. " > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof of a multi-storied building. > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a complete understanding. But > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize that the steps and the roof > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). Similarly, before we > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature of Supreme Divinity, the > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this highest understanding, we have > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and Guru and move forward. > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. Shree Maa says, " All is > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of creation, what we can see and > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there yesterday and what will be > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there is God. There is Infinite > consciousness. > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Sal and Everybody, Namaste! Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was wondering - if you and everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in the present moment. I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between observer and observed means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and think about wisdom! Jai Maa! ramya , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if only to > eliminate the distance between the observer and the observed...! > > Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as illusory > and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we obsess > on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. That > we are concerned about the future also takes away from our > participation in the present. If the present moment isn't observed > in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the moment is > lost. > > I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is delighted > by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with joy. > He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of the > pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He sees its > perfection clearly, every time. > > He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably make a very > good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few worldly > things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education is > probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions are > sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer > laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm > threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all over the > yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. Utter > joy. Every time. > > I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because there > is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He doesn't > worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he lives in > simple bliss. > > Such a beautiful sight to see.... > > much love and peace to all! > sal. > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Everybody, > > > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- > please read and share > > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the > teachings of > > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme Divinity. > > > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme Divinity. > When he was eight > > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the > comforts of home and > > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices for > three years after that and > > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme > truth. The perceivable > > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are > sleeping, we watch a dream. > > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. > There are times in our > > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken we > can say with > > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present > reality. In a similar way, we > > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this perceivable > world alone is true > > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our > ignorance, we realize the > > nature of true existence. > > > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme Divinity > is different from > > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not different > and they are both truth. > > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is > combined together and they > > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is illuminated > by considering the > > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. It is > silent, but when you look > > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. When > it is quiet also, it is a > > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no > energy to move. The > > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are > therefore not different. The > > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to move > was not manifest. > > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its capacity > to move. > > > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference are > that of fire (the object) > > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its light > (energy). When we think of > > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, when > we remember the > > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, we > cannot think of the stone > > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the > energy (shakti) of Supreme > > Divinity. > > > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is > called Kali in the Tantras > > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we > learn or have an > > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not the > highest truth. However, > > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily truth. It > is so beautiful and > > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will you > reach Supreme Divinity, > > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable world, > regarding it as real and > > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts is > different. How is it > > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in everything > and everywhere. God > > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is everywhere > and in everything. > > > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam > (Infinite Consciouness), > > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with > truth, we live with pure > > consciousness, we live with God. " > > > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof of > a multi-storied building. > > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a complete > understanding. But > > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize that > the steps and the roof > > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). > Similarly, before we > > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature of > Supreme Divinity, the > > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this highest > understanding, we have > > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and Guru > and move forward. > > > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. > Shree Maa says, " All is > > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of creation, > what we can see and > > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there > yesterday and what will be > > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there is > God. There is Infinite > > consciousness. > > > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies the secret of living the ultimate bliss. Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which we are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what is before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live clearly, purely in the present moment. Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything as if for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no preconception, no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the second time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus begins building the distance. Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate until tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone and see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, not with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts them, the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is loud, or any variety of experiences that separates one from another. To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture to guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! much love and peace to all! sal. , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108 wrote: > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > Namaste! > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was wondering - if you and > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in the present moment. > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between observer and observed > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and think about wisdom! > > Jai Maa! > > ramya > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if only to > > eliminate the distance between the observer and the observed...! > > > > Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as illusory > > and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we obsess > > on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. That > > we are concerned about the future also takes away from our > > participation in the present. If the present moment isn't observed > > in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the moment is > > lost. > > > > I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is delighted > > by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with joy. > > He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of the > > pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He sees its > > perfection clearly, every time. > > > > He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably make a very > > good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few worldly > > things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education is > > probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions are > > sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer > > laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm > > threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all over the > > yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. Utter > > joy. Every time. > > > > I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because there > > is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He doesn't > > worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he lives in > > simple bliss. > > > > Such a beautiful sight to see.... > > > > much love and peace to all! > > sal. > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Everybody, > > > > > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- > > please read and share > > > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > > > > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the > > teachings of > > > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme Divinity. > > > > > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme Divinity. > > When he was eight > > > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the > > comforts of home and > > > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices for > > three years after that and > > > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > > > > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme > > truth. The perceivable > > > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are > > sleeping, we watch a dream. > > > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. > > There are times in our > > > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken we > > can say with > > > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present > > reality. In a similar way, we > > > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > > > > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this perceivable > > world alone is true > > > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our > > ignorance, we realize the > > > nature of true existence. > > > > > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme Divinity > > is different from > > > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not different > > and they are both truth. > > > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > combined together and they > > > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > > > > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is illuminated > > by considering the > > > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. It is > > silent, but when you look > > > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. When > > it is quiet also, it is a > > > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no > > energy to move. The > > > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are > > therefore not different. The > > > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to move > > was not manifest. > > > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its capacity > > to move. > > > > > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference are > > that of fire (the object) > > > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its light > > (energy). When we think of > > > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, when > > we remember the > > > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, we > > cannot think of the stone > > > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the > > energy (shakti) of Supreme > > > Divinity. > > > > > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is > > called Kali in the Tantras > > > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we > > learn or have an > > > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not the > > highest truth. However, > > > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily truth. It > > is so beautiful and > > > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will you > > reach Supreme Divinity, > > > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > > > > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable world, > > regarding it as real and > > > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts is > > different. How is it > > > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in everything > > and everywhere. God > > > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is everywhere > > and in everything. > > > > > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam > > (Infinite Consciouness), > > > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with > > truth, we live with pure > > > consciousness, we live with God. " > > > > > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof of > > a multi-storied building. > > > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a complete > > understanding. But > > > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize that > > the steps and the roof > > > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). > > Similarly, before we > > > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature of > > Supreme Divinity, the > > > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this highest > > understanding, we have > > > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and Guru > > and move forward. > > > > > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. > > Shree Maa says, " All is > > > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of creation, > > what we can see and > > > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there > > yesterday and what will be > > > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there is > > God. There is Infinite > > > consciousness. > > > > > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Sal, Which is to say (and very well said) that it is the unreal past and the unreal future which stand between oneself and the Present Reality. Yet still, it leaves one question (a very practical one in its implications) unanswered, how can that which is unreal obscure the one Reality? Respectfully, Tanmaya , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp > conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies the > secret of living the ultimate bliss. > > Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which we > are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person > completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see > the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from > one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what is > before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the > observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live clearly, > purely in the present moment. > > Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything as if > for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no preconception, > no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the second > time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus begins > building the distance. > > Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. > The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate until > tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are > lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise > how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone and > see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, not > with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts them, > the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is loud, or > any variety of experiences that separates one from another. > > To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, > wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture to > guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. > > I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of > clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish > the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! > > much love and peace to all! > sal. > > > , " n_ramya108 " n_ramya108@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > > > Namaste! > > > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was > wondering - if you and > > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in > the present moment. > > > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between > observer and observed > > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and > think about wisdom! > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > ramya > > > > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > > > This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if > only to > > > eliminate the distance between the observer and the observed...! > > > > > > Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as > illusory > > > and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we > obsess > > > on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. > That > > > we are concerned about the future also takes away from our > > > participation in the present. If the present moment isn't > observed > > > in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the moment is > > > lost. > > > > > > I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is > delighted > > > by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with > joy. > > > He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of the > > > pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He sees > its > > > perfection clearly, every time. > > > > > > He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably make a > very > > > good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few > worldly > > > things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education is > > > probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions > are > > > sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer > > > laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm > > > threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all over > the > > > yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. > Utter > > > joy. Every time. > > > > > > I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because > there > > > is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He > doesn't > > > worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he lives > in > > > simple bliss. > > > > > > Such a beautiful sight to see.... > > > > > > much love and peace to all! > > > sal. > > > > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Everybody, > > > > > > > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- > > > please read and share > > > > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the > > > teachings of > > > > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme > Divinity. > > > > > > > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme > Divinity. > > > When he was eight > > > > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the > > > comforts of home and > > > > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices > for > > > three years after that and > > > > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme > > > truth. The perceivable > > > > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are > > > sleeping, we watch a dream. > > > > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. > > > There are times in our > > > > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken > we > > > can say with > > > > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present > > > reality. In a similar way, we > > > > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > > > > > > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this > perceivable > > > world alone is true > > > > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our > > > ignorance, we realize the > > > > nature of true existence. > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme > Divinity > > > is different from > > > > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not > different > > > and they are both truth. > > > > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > > combined together and they > > > > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > > > > > > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is > illuminated > > > by considering the > > > > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. > It is > > > silent, but when you look > > > > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. > When > > > it is quiet also, it is a > > > > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no > > > energy to move. The > > > > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are > > > therefore not different. The > > > > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to > move > > > was not manifest. > > > > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its > capacity > > > to move. > > > > > > > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference > are > > > that of fire (the object) > > > > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its > light > > > (energy). When we think of > > > > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, > when > > > we remember the > > > > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, > we > > > cannot think of the stone > > > > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the > > > energy (shakti) of Supreme > > > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is > > > called Kali in the Tantras > > > > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we > > > learn or have an > > > > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not > the > > > highest truth. However, > > > > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily > truth. It > > > is so beautiful and > > > > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will > you > > > reach Supreme Divinity, > > > > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > > > > > > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable > world, > > > regarding it as real and > > > > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts > is > > > different. How is it > > > > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in > everything > > > and everywhere. God > > > > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is > everywhere > > > and in everything. > > > > > > > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam > > > (Infinite Consciouness), > > > > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with > > > truth, we live with pure > > > > consciousness, we live with God. " > > > > > > > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof > of > > > a multi-storied building. > > > > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a > complete > > > understanding. But > > > > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize > that > > > the steps and the roof > > > > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). > > > Similarly, before we > > > > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature > of > > > Supreme Divinity, the > > > > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this > highest > > > understanding, we have > > > > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and > Guru > > > and move forward. > > > > > > > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. > > > Shree Maa says, " All is > > > > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of > creation, > > > what we can see and > > > > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there > > > yesterday and what will be > > > > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there > is > > > God. There is Infinite > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Insights from `Shree Maa on SupremeDivinity'Brahman is the ultimate truth…There is nothing but Brahman – when we wake up from the dream we call life; we understand there is only Brahman…And you are this Brahman…What is the nature of Shakti ? Just like you cannot differentiate fire from its heat so also you cannot differentiate between pure consciousness and its energy. As I understand it, this is not like the example of potential and kinetic energy because inherent in that definition is a property of becoming, but more like example of fire and its heat, that is, it is different way of looking into the same Brahman where there is no becoming. For example to say potential and kinetic makes its nature change but to say fire(light) and its heat is to describe the same thing. The reason I stress this is that once you acknowledge becoming you are part of the dream but Shakti is not part of the dream but looking at the same Brahman (for a lack of words) from a different angle – this please understand it not a point of view from a normal human being but from the perspective of realized being – they live and act in this world but in them there is not acknowledgement of becoming…`That which is called Brahman (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is called Kali in the Tantras and Sri Krishna in the Puranas' – through Brahman and Vedas we get the definition of the goal, through Kali and the Tantras we come to terms with what this means in practical terms (starting from where we are) and through Sri Krishna (and also other Avatars) and the Guru we are inspired and lead directly to the goal…Brahman – sat chit ananda ; Kali – aim hrim klim ; Sri Krishna - satyam sivam sundaram. They are the same, just seen from different angles…A realized being like Maa sees everything filled with truth, consciousness and beauty, we whereas can only see satyam sivam sundaram(truth, consciousness and beauty) truly reflected in them and therefore are drawn towards them like a magnet…Therefore with a Grace of a Guru or God seek this ultimate Truth…To reach the top of the building you need climb up the stairs, so with help of God or Guru, climb the steps through sadhana and reach your goal… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Namaste' First I want to thank everyone for their beautiful thoughts and prayers that have been offered to and for my family over the past couple of weeks. The love that has been showered upon us has been a great blessing. I wanted to share part of my process regarding this question of being in the present moment. I have been making a very conscious effort to remain present to the moment throughout the past couple of weeks. To a large extent it has been purely to protect my heart. If I find myself going into the past it is to painful, and thinking about the future without my son brings up even more pain. The only way to stay balanced has been to be with the moment, to feel my feelings now so that they don't pile up and attack me when I'm least expecting them. To do this I just keep breathing, doing sadhana, not making plans, not looking for ways to escape, staying present with my daughter and Caseys friends, and taking care of my own basic needs. I'm learning about the transitoriness of life at a very deep level as well as where my attachments are. In the past when I thought about my own passing it was always easy to think of being non-attached to my own body, but on the day of my son's creamation I had to look at my attachment to his physical body. That was somewhat of a shock to learn that I have great attachment to the body of my child. It was a comfort to receive the small box which contains all that is left of the body his spirit inhabited. By staying in the moment I am able to feel him around me, in his room, in his dog coming to me for reassurance, and in his friends telling me how much they love him. I find that looking deeply into each moment allows me to stay present, and maybe that has been the biggest gift from him so far. I know that this journey is just beginning, but if I keep my attention on my next step, instead of next week, month, or year there is comfort in the present moment, and then I can remember that there is no ending in God, no time, and nowhere to be but where I am right now. OM Shanti Morningsong , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108 wrote: > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > Namaste! > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was wondering - if you and > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in the present moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Namaste Sal and Everybody! Thanks very much Sal - it is so beautiful to read your post and to understand. Somewhere i heard this saying " Let Go and Let God " -- feels from your post that if we let go of all our impressions there is only the joy of living, seeing, hearing and being with God! thank you very much for sharing and helping me understand! Thanks! Jai Maa! ramya , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp > conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies the > secret of living the ultimate bliss. > > Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which we > are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person > completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see > the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from > one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what is > before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the > observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live clearly, > purely in the present moment. > > Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything as if > for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no preconception, > no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the second > time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus begins > building the distance. > > Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. > The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate until > tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are > lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise > how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone and > see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, not > with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts them, > the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is loud, or > any variety of experiences that separates one from another. > > To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, > wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture to > guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. > > I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of > clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish > the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! > > much love and peace to all! > sal. > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > > > Namaste! > > > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was > wondering - if you and > > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in > the present moment. > > > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between > observer and observed > > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and > think about wisdom! > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > ramya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Blessings Tanmaya, First of all, I have always wanted to tell you how I love your writings. You think very clearly and your writings are beautiful. I am grateful you've given thoughtful consideration to mine. To attempt to answer your question - how can that which is unreal obscure the one Reality? - my personal guess, and I would hope others consider joining in this interesting conversation - would simply be Ego. Our minds play such silly games with us. We forget that we are souls having a human experience and we think this is all real. The only Reality is love. We get so caught up with ambition, relationships, status, that we forget simply to love, enjoy and have fun. And we worry, way, way too much.... ....oops, throw fear in the mix too. The uber-obscurity. much love to you, sal. , " ty_maa " <dsjames wrote: > > > Dear Sal, > > Which is to say (and very well said) that it is the unreal past and the > unreal future which stand between oneself and the Present Reality. > > Yet still, it leaves one question (a very practical one in its > implications) unanswered, how can that which is unreal obscure the one > Reality? > > Respectfully, > > Tanmaya > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp > > conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies the > > secret of living the ultimate bliss. > > > > Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which we > > are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person > > completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see > > the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from > > one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what is > > before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the > > observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live clearly, > > purely in the present moment. > > > > Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything as if > > for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no preconception, > > no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the second > > time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus begins > > building the distance. > > > > Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. > > The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate until > > tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are > > lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise > > how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone and > > see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, not > > with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts them, > > the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is loud, or > > any variety of experiences that separates one from another. > > > > To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, > > wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture to > > guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. > > > > I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of > > clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish > > the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! > > > > much love and peace to all! > > sal. > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " n_ramya108@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was > > wondering - if you and > > > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in > > the present moment. > > > > > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between > > observer and observed > > > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > > > > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and > > think about wisdom! > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > ramya > > > > > > > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if > > only to > > > > eliminate the distance between the observer and the observed...! > > > > > > > > Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as > > illusory > > > > and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we > > obsess > > > > on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. > > That > > > > we are concerned about the future also takes away from our > > > > participation in the present. If the present moment isn't > > observed > > > > in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the moment is > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is > > delighted > > > > by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with > > joy. > > > > He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of the > > > > pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He sees > > its > > > > perfection clearly, every time. > > > > > > > > He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably make a > > very > > > > good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few > > worldly > > > > things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education is > > > > probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions > > are > > > > sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer > > > > laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm > > > > threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all over > > the > > > > yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. > > Utter > > > > joy. Every time. > > > > > > > > I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because > > there > > > > is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He > > doesn't > > > > worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he lives > > in > > > > simple bliss. > > > > > > > > Such a beautiful sight to see.... > > > > > > > > much love and peace to all! > > > > sal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Everybody, > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club children -- > > > > please read and share > > > > > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the > > > > teachings of > > > > > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme > > Divinity. > > > > When he was eight > > > > > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the > > > > comforts of home and > > > > > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual practices > > for > > > > three years after that and > > > > > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the supreme > > > > truth. The perceivable > > > > > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are > > > > sleeping, we watch a dream. > > > > > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the dream. > > > > There are times in our > > > > > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we awaken > > we > > > > can say with > > > > > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present > > > > reality. In a similar way, we > > > > > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > > > > > > > > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this > > perceivable > > > > world alone is true > > > > > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes our > > > > ignorance, we realize the > > > > > nature of true existence. > > > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme > > Divinity > > > > is different from > > > > > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not > > different > > > > and they are both truth. > > > > > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > > > combined together and they > > > > > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > > > > > > > > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > illuminated > > > > by considering the > > > > > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. > > It is > > > > silent, but when you look > > > > > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a snake. > > When > > > > it is quiet also, it is a > > > > > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has no > > > > energy to move. The > > > > > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are > > > > therefore not different. The > > > > > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to > > move > > > > was not manifest. > > > > > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its > > capacity > > > > to move. > > > > > > > > > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this difference > > are > > > > that of fire (the object) > > > > > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its > > light > > > > (energy). When we think of > > > > > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. Similarly, > > when > > > > we remember the > > > > > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the jewel, > > we > > > > cannot think of the stone > > > > > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and the > > > > energy (shakti) of Supreme > > > > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the Vedas, is > > > > called Kali in the Tantras > > > > > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, we > > > > learn or have an > > > > > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not > > the > > > > highest truth. However, > > > > > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily > > truth. It > > > > is so beautiful and > > > > > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will > > you > > > > reach Supreme Divinity, > > > > > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > > > > > > > > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable > > world, > > > > regarding it as real and > > > > > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and interacts > > is > > > > different. How is it > > > > > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in > > everything > > > > and everywhere. God > > > > > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is > > everywhere > > > > and in everything. > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), Shivam > > > > (Infinite Consciouness), > > > > > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live with > > > > truth, we live with pure > > > > > consciousness, we live with God. " > > > > > > > > > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the roof > > of > > > > a multi-storied building. > > > > > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a > > complete > > > > understanding. But > > > > > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize > > that > > > > the steps and the roof > > > > > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, cement). > > > > Similarly, before we > > > > > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the nature > > of > > > > Supreme Divinity, the > > > > > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this > > highest > > > > understanding, we have > > > > > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God and > > Guru > > > > and move forward. > > > > > > > > > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme Divinity. > > > > Shree Maa says, " All is > > > > > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of > > creation, > > > > what we can see and > > > > > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there > > > > yesterday and what will be > > > > > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- there > > is > > > > God. There is Infinite > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 It is I who thank you all for letting me share! I am blessed with three angels who embody this joy and make me look in the mirror all the time... " why are you mad...? " " why are you worried? " and the ultimate 12-year old's profundity - " what'll happen? " Hmm, what will happen...? Crash! The illusion is shattered... Oh, they make me laugh! peace! sal. , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108 wrote: > > Namaste Sal and Everybody! > > Thanks very much Sal - it is so beautiful to read your post and to understand. Somewhere > i heard this saying " Let Go and Let God " -- feels from your post that if we let go of all our > impressions there is only the joy of living, seeing, hearing and being with God! > > thank you very much for sharing and helping me understand! Thanks! > > Jai Maa! > > ramya > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp > > conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies the > > secret of living the ultimate bliss. > > > > Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which we > > are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person > > completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see > > the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from > > one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what is > > before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the > > observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live clearly, > > purely in the present moment. > > > > Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything as if > > for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no preconception, > > no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the second > > time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus begins > > building the distance. > > > > Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. > > The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate until > > tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are > > lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise > > how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone and > > see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, not > > with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts them, > > the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is loud, or > > any variety of experiences that separates one from another. > > > > To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, > > wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture to > > guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. > > > > I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of > > clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish > > the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! > > > > much love and peace to all! > > sal. > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was > > wondering - if you and > > > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in > > the present moment. > > > > > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between > > observer and observed > > > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > > > > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and > > think about wisdom! > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > ramya > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Dear Sal, Thank you for your reply. " To be or not to be " -to love or to fear- " that is the question " (we'll have to imagine the skull here). A saint-a disciple of Ramakrishna-said all expansion is life; contraction is death. That pure love is infinite expansion; fear leads to ultimate contraction-death. But what is the relationship beween fear and worry? With Respect, Tanmaya , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > Blessings Tanmaya, > > First of all, I have always wanted to tell you how I love your > writings. You think very clearly and your writings are beautiful. I > am grateful you've given thoughtful consideration to mine. > > To attempt to answer your question - how can that which is unreal > obscure the one Reality? - my personal guess, and I would hope others > consider joining in this interesting conversation - would simply be > Ego. > > Our minds play such silly games with us. We forget that we are souls > having a human experience and we think this is all real. The only > Reality is love. We get so caught up with ambition, relationships, > status, that we forget simply to love, enjoy and have fun. And we > worry, way, way too much.... > > ...oops, throw fear in the mix too. The uber-obscurity. > > much love to you, > sal. > > > , " ty_maa " dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sal, > > > > Which is to say (and very well said) that it is the unreal past and > the > > unreal future which stand between oneself and the Present Reality. > > > > Yet still, it leaves one question (a very practical one in its > > implications) unanswered, how can that which is unreal obscure the > one > > Reality? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > > > I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp > > > conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies > the > > > secret of living the ultimate bliss. > > > > > > Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which > we > > > are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person > > > completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see > > > the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from > > > one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what > is > > > before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the > > > observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live > clearly, > > > purely in the present moment. > > > > > > Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything > as if > > > for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no > preconception, > > > no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the > second > > > time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus > begins > > > building the distance. > > > > > > Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. > > > The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate > until > > > tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are > > > lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise > > > how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone > and > > > see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, > not > > > with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts > them, > > > the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is > loud, or > > > any variety of experiences that separates one from another. > > > > > > To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, > > > wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture > to > > > guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. > > > > > > I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of > > > clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish > > > the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! > > > > > > much love and peace to all! > > > sal. > > > > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " n_ramya108@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was > > > wondering - if you and > > > > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in > > > the present moment. > > > > > > > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between > > > observer and observed > > > > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and > > > think about wisdom! > > > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > ramya > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if > > > only to > > > > > eliminate the distance between the observer and the > observed...! > > > > > > > > > > Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as > > > illusory > > > > > and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we > > > obsess > > > > > on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. > > > That > > > > > we are concerned about the future also takes away from our > > > > > participation in the present. If the present moment isn't > > > observed > > > > > in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the > moment is > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is > > > delighted > > > > > by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with > > > joy. > > > > > He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of > the > > > > > pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He > sees > > > its > > > > > perfection clearly, every time. > > > > > > > > > > He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably > make a > > > very > > > > > good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few > > > worldly > > > > > things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education > is > > > > > probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions > > > are > > > > > sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer > > > > > laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm > > > > > threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all > over > > > the > > > > > yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. > > > Utter > > > > > joy. Every time. > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because > > > there > > > > > is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He > > > doesn't > > > > > worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he > lives > > > in > > > > > simple bliss. > > > > > > > > > > Such a beautiful sight to see.... > > > > > > > > > > much love and peace to all! > > > > > sal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Everybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club > children -- > > > > > please read and share > > > > > > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme > > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme > > > Divinity. > > > > > When he was eight > > > > > > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the > > > > > comforts of home and > > > > > > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual > practices > > > for > > > > > three years after that and > > > > > > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the > supreme > > > > > truth. The perceivable > > > > > > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are > > > > > sleeping, we watch a dream. > > > > > > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the > dream. > > > > > There are times in our > > > > > > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we > awaken > > > we > > > > > can say with > > > > > > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present > > > > > reality. In a similar way, we > > > > > > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this > > > perceivable > > > > > world alone is true > > > > > > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes > our > > > > > ignorance, we realize the > > > > > > nature of true existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme > > > Divinity > > > > > is different from > > > > > > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not > > > different > > > > > and they are both truth. > > > > > > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > > > > combined together and they > > > > > > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > > illuminated > > > > > by considering the > > > > > > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. > > > It is > > > > > silent, but when you look > > > > > > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a > snake. > > > When > > > > > it is quiet also, it is a > > > > > > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has > no > > > > > energy to move. The > > > > > > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are > > > > > therefore not different. The > > > > > > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to > > > move > > > > > was not manifest. > > > > > > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its > > > capacity > > > > > to move. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this > difference > > > are > > > > > that of fire (the object) > > > > > > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its > > > light > > > > > (energy). When we think of > > > > > > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. > Similarly, > > > when > > > > > we remember the > > > > > > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the > jewel, > > > we > > > > > cannot think of the stone > > > > > > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and > the > > > > > energy (shakti) of Supreme > > > > > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the > Vedas, is > > > > > called Kali in the Tantras > > > > > > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, > we > > > > > learn or have an > > > > > > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not > > > the > > > > > highest truth. However, > > > > > > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily > > > truth. It > > > > > is so beautiful and > > > > > > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will > > > you > > > > > reach Supreme Divinity, > > > > > > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > > > > > > > > > > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable > > > world, > > > > > regarding it as real and > > > > > > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and > interacts > > > is > > > > > different. How is it > > > > > > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in > > > everything > > > > > and everywhere. God > > > > > > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is > > > everywhere > > > > > and in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), > Shivam > > > > > (Infinite Consciouness), > > > > > > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live > with > > > > > truth, we live with pure > > > > > > consciousness, we live with God. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the > roof > > > of > > > > > a multi-storied building. > > > > > > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a > > > complete > > > > > understanding. But > > > > > > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize > > > that > > > > > the steps and the roof > > > > > > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, > cement). > > > > > Similarly, before we > > > > > > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the > nature > > > of > > > > > Supreme Divinity, the > > > > > > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this > > > highest > > > > > understanding, we have > > > > > > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God > and > > > Guru > > > > > and move forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme > Divinity. > > > > > Shree Maa says, " All is > > > > > > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of > > > creation, > > > > > what we can see and > > > > > > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there > > > > > yesterday and what will be > > > > > > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- > there > > > is > > > > > God. There is Infinite > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 It is the great mystery that is Maya which is able to ensnare even that which is real by the unreal. You remember the story of Indra and Vishnu (I think...) where they are looking down on the earth and Indra turns to Vishnu and asks, " What exactly IS Maya, anyway? " , and immediately, Vishnu turns Indra into a pig and puts him on the earth. Pig-Indra lives a successful pig-life. He eats his fill, wallows in the best of mud-holes, basks in the warmth of the sun, and he gets himself a wonderful pig-wife, and has many piglets. Without Indra to lead, of course, the heavens were in disarray, so some of the gods came to pig-Indra to try to convince him to return to his duties in heaven, but he didn't listen to them, saying, " Go away! Can't you see I am having a wallow in this fine mud-hole, and the sun is bright and warm? What have I to do with you, anyway? " He didn't remember anything of his former life. He just gave another roll, relishing the slimy coolness in the heat of the day, hearing the contented grunts of his family in the distance. After more time had passed things in heaven became even more desperate, so some of the gods decided the time had come to act. They went to earth and killed pig-Indra's pig-wife and all his pig-children. When pig-Indra saw the bodies of his pig-wife and pig-children he was devastated. He cried and cried, lamenting his pain and the cruelty of life. Then one of the gods (I don't remember who) appeared and took a knife and cut pig-Indra open, and the real Indra appeared from within the pig-body. Immediately he returned to heaven. Later, Indra and Vishnu were again together looking down upon the earth, and Indra said, " You know, when I was a pig I remembered nothing of my former station as ruler of the gods, and nothing of heaven. I thought the pig's life was the highest of lives, and my mud-hole and my pig-family the highest of pleasures. Then, when my pig-family was slaughtered I was completely overcome by pain of loss, and I thought I would never feel good again. " Vishnu turned his head to look at Indra and said, " THAT is Maya. " Jai Maa! Chris , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > Blessings Tanmaya, > > First of all, I have always wanted to tell you how I love your > writings. You think very clearly and your writings are beautiful. I > am grateful you've given thoughtful consideration to mine. > > To attempt to answer your question - how can that which is unreal > obscure the one Reality? - my personal guess, and I would hope others > consider joining in this interesting conversation - would simply be > Ego. > > Our minds play such silly games with us. We forget that we are souls > having a human experience and we think this is all real. The only > Reality is love. We get so caught up with ambition, relationships, > status, that we forget simply to love, enjoy and have fun. And we > worry, way, way too much.... > > ...oops, throw fear in the mix too. The uber-obscurity. > > much love to you, > sal. > > > , " ty_maa " <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sal, > > > > Which is to say (and very well said) that it is the unreal past and > the > > unreal future which stand between oneself and the Present Reality. > > > > Yet still, it leaves one question (a very practical one in its > > implications) unanswered, how can that which is unreal obscure the > one > > Reality? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > > > I hope this will make sense...its relatively easy to grasp > > > conceptually, but to actually put into practice....therein lies > the > > > secret of living the ultimate bliss. > > > > > > Our mind's collection of experiences separates us from that which > we > > > are looking at, which is why we cannot see an object, a person > > > completely and clearly for its intrinsic perfection. We cannot see > > > the " God " . There is a distance of time and space and thought from > > > one object, or the experience and memory of that object, to what > is > > > before us in the present moment. That is the distance between the > > > observer and the observed and why it is so difficult to live > clearly, > > > purely in the present moment. > > > > > > Eliminating the distance would be like always seeing everything > as if > > > for the first time, with no filters, no judgement, no > preconception, > > > no comparison, always from the heart with love. We see it the > second > > > time and are conditioned to compare it to something else, thus > begins > > > building the distance. > > > > > > Children first see everything purely and actually for what it is. > > > The conditioning also begins very early. They don't know hate > until > > > tell them to hate. They don't discern ugly from pretty. Those are > > > lables that are taught. We tell them to avoid strangers, otherwise > > > how would they know someone to be strange. They trust everyone > and > > > see the beauty in everything because they see with their hearts, > not > > > with their minds. The conditioning begins once someone hurts > them, > > > the food brings displeasure, the ride is scary, the noise is > loud, or > > > any variety of experiences that separates one from another. > > > > > > To see everything, always, perfectly in its inherent, God-like, > > > wondrous capacity is really pretty cosmic...which I would venture > to > > > guess is the living ultimate enlightenment. > > > > > > I'm sorry, for all these words, I hope there is a glimmer of > > > clarity...I can " see " it but I rarely live it myself...I do relish > > > the times I grasp it for a fleeting moment...! > > > > > > much love and peace to all! > > > sal. > > > > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " n_ramya108@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sal and Everybody, > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > Thanks so much Sal for sharing your beautiful observation. I was > > > wondering - if you and > > > > everybody can share their ideas on how we can do this -- live in > > > the present moment. > > > > > > > > I am not sure i understand what eliminate the distance between > > > observer and observed > > > > means? Can you please explain to me and how we can do this? > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for sharing and helping us all learn, absorb and > > > think about wisdom! > > > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > ramya > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This isn't so much of a question as it is an observation...if > > > only to > > > > > eliminate the distance between the observer and the > observed...! > > > > > > > > > > Is it not also true that the past and the future are also as > > > illusory > > > > > and irrelevant as the dreams we have when we sleep? That we > > > obsess > > > > > on the past takes away from our seeing clearly in the present. > > > That > > > > > we are concerned about the future also takes away from our > > > > > participation in the present. If the present moment isn't > > > observed > > > > > in its glorious, complete perfection, the beauty of the > moment is > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > I see an autistic child throw a rock into the water. He is > > > delighted > > > > > by the ripple and the splash. He does it again and leaps with > > > joy. > > > > > He would do this for hours and hours on end and never tire of > the > > > > > pure joy from each and every splash. Every one is new. He > sees > > > its > > > > > perfection clearly, every time. > > > > > > > > > > He tolerates every face and judges no one. He'd probably > make a > > > very > > > > > good renuciate, because very little concerns him and very few > > > worldly > > > > > things affect him. As Edward so eloquently put it, education > is > > > > > probably just a side show. Most of our organized institutions > > > are > > > > > sideshows. It takes away from the reality that there is sheer > > > > > laughter in a rock being thrown in the water, a thunderstorm > > > > > threatening overhead, the wind blowing dandelion seeds all > over > > > the > > > > > yard, or 40,000 people doing " the wave " at a baseball game. > > > Utter > > > > > joy. Every time. > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware that he ever dreams, for the most part because > > > there > > > > > is nothing left unfinished. All happens in perfect order. He > > > doesn't > > > > > worry, worrying is such a waste of time. If allowed to, he > lives > > > in > > > > > simple bliss. > > > > > > > > > > Such a beautiful sight to see.... > > > > > > > > > > much love and peace to all! > > > > > sal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Everybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa wanted to share this wisdom with Her club > children -- > > > > > please read and share > > > > > > your thoughts, insights, questions with all of us ! Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa was reading a Bengali book and explaining from the > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > Shankaracharya and Sri Ramakrishna the nature of Supreme > > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Acharya Shankaracharya realized and lived with Supreme > > > Divinity. > > > > > When he was eight > > > > > > years old, he mastered all the scriptures and renounced the > > > > > comforts of home and > > > > > > adopted a life of sannyas. He did intense spiritual > practices > > > for > > > > > three years after that and > > > > > > obtained the highest wisdom and knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya realized that pure consciousness is the > supreme > > > > > truth. The perceivable > > > > > > world is not the highest reality. For example, when we are > > > > > sleeping, we watch a dream. > > > > > > When we wake up, we know that there is no truth in the > dream. > > > > > There are times in our > > > > > > sleep when we are able to see a dream. However, when we > awaken > > > we > > > > > can say with > > > > > > certainty that what we saw is the dream is not our present > > > > > reality. In a similar way, we > > > > > > understand that Brahman (Supreme Divinity) alone is true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prior to obtaining Supreme Wisdom, we feel that this > > > perceivable > > > > > world alone is true > > > > > > reality. However, when the grace of God and Guru removes > our > > > > > ignorance, we realize the > > > > > > nature of true existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya does not accept that the energy of Supreme > > > Divinity > > > > > is different from > > > > > > Supreme Divinity. His teachings say that they are not > > > different > > > > > and they are both truth. > > > > > > When Supreme Divinity and the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > > > > combined together and they > > > > > > are one, the energy of Supreme Divinity is not illuminated. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can understand how the energy of Supreme Divinity is > > > illuminated > > > > > by considering the > > > > > > following example. A snake is lying silently on the ground. > > > It is > > > > > silent, but when you look > > > > > > at it, you know it is a snake. When it moves, it is a > snake. > > > When > > > > > it is quiet also, it is a > > > > > > snake. We cannot say that because a snake is quiet, it has > no > > > > > energy to move. The > > > > > > Supreme Divinity and the energy of the Supreme Divinity are > > > > > therefore not different. The > > > > > > snake was alive, even though the energy which empowers it to > > > move > > > > > was not manifest. > > > > > > The snake was still present when it chose to manifest its > > > capacity > > > > > to move. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other examples which serve to illustrate this > difference > > > are > > > > > that of fire (the object) > > > > > > and its heat (energy), a jeweled-stone (the object) and its > > > light > > > > > (energy). When we think of > > > > > > a jeweled-stone we remember its light in our mind. > Similarly, > > > when > > > > > we remember the > > > > > > light of the stone, we remember the jewel. Without the > jewel, > > > we > > > > > cannot think of the stone > > > > > > and vice versa. This is the same with Supreme Divinity and > the > > > > > energy (shakti) of Supreme > > > > > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > That which is called Brahma (Supreme Divinity) in the > Vedas, is > > > > > called Kali in the Tantras > > > > > > and Sri Krishna in the Puranas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishna says that before we realize Supreme Wisdom, > we > > > > > learn or have an > > > > > > intellectual understanding that the perceivable world is not > > > the > > > > > highest truth. However, > > > > > > once we are enlightened, we see that the world is verily > > > truth. It > > > > > is so beautiful and > > > > > > completely infused with divinity. Shree Maa says, " How will > > > you > > > > > reach Supreme Divinity, > > > > > > without seeing the beauty in all of creation? " > > > > > > > > > > > > In our everyday life we see and interact in the perceivable > > > world, > > > > > regarding it as real and > > > > > > true. However, the way a man of wisdom perceives and > interacts > > > is > > > > > different. How is it > > > > > > different? A man of wisdom sees pure consciousness in > > > everything > > > > > and everywhere. God > > > > > > fills each aspect of creation at every moment. God is > > > everywhere > > > > > and in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa smiles gently and explains, " Satyam (Truth), > Shivam > > > > > (Infinite Consciouness), > > > > > > Sundaram (Beauty). When we see beauty everywhere and live > with > > > > > truth, we live with pure > > > > > > consciousness, we live with God. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example to illustrate this point is walking to the > roof > > > of > > > > > a multi-storied building. > > > > > > If we just reach the top of the building, we don't have a > > > complete > > > > > understanding. But > > > > > > when we take the staircase and walk step by step, we realize > > > that > > > > > the steps and the roof > > > > > > are all made from the same material (example, bricks, > cement). > > > > > Similarly, before we > > > > > > obtain true wisdom, we don't have a good idea about the > nature > > > of > > > > > Supreme Divinity, the > > > > > > individual soul and this perceivable world. To obtain this > > > highest > > > > > understanding, we have > > > > > > no choice but to do spiritual practices, have faith in God > and > > > Guru > > > > > and move forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we have true wisdom, we see that all is Supreme > Divinity. > > > > > Shree Maa says, " All is > > > > > > beautiful. Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram. " In every object of > > > creation, > > > > > what we can see and > > > > > > what we can't see, what is here now today and what was there > > > > > yesterday and what will be > > > > > > tomorrow -- everywhere in everything at every moment -- > there > > > is > > > > > God. There is Infinite > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Maa whispers sweetly, " Shivam, Shivam, Shivam. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Greetings all! Oh this is making my brain work....! This is only my humble opinion, but worry is simply a progeny of fear. Worry from a root fear causes paralysis. That is not living. Fear and worry, both unknowns attached to the Ego, stifle the energy of moving forward, of living. An example: I fear that I will not be able to provide for my children. I spend my time worrying where the money will come from. The heavy, negative energy prevents me from moving forward creatively, actively finding a solution and trusting that the universe provides all anyway. I am so consumed in my worry that I cut myself off from allowing the energy flow of Source. I freeze with my worry and my fear...which is retreating or contracting...metaphorical death. One can also escape, which is energy moving the other way, but is it based in love? The next obvious question, is it possible to eliminate (or at least greatly diminish) fear and live always, actively in " love? " Only if one can consciously recognize that: 1)worry is a waste of time; and, 2)the fear is an unreal projection, an illusion, of what is not known. The fear is rendered useless, and energy is allowed to flow once again. Easier said than done....! But it does work! love to all! sal. , " ty_maa " <dsjames wrote: > > > Dear Sal, > > Thank you for your reply. > > " To be or not to be " -to love or to fear- " that is the question " (we'll > have to imagine the skull here). > > A saint-a disciple of Ramakrishna-said all expansion is life; > contraction is death. That pure love is infinite expansion; fear leads > to ultimate contraction-death. > > But what is the relationship beween fear and worry? > > With Respect, > > Tanmaya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Peace to all, and thank you so much for sharing these insights, it is very helpful for me to ponder this thread. It has raised a few questions for me: First: re: 'there is nothing but Brahman...and you are this Brahman'...I feel that I have glimpses of this truth, of being in the beingness of all is Brahman...a shift in awareness/consciousness that is fleeting. From a practical standpoint, can anyone share ideas about what gives the 'glimpses' staying power? And second, you discuss Avatars, Gods and Gurus below. In Hinduism (which is new to me) what is the distinction between these three? With gratitude,Jennifer , " n_mallan " <n_mallan wrote: > > Insights from `Shree Maa on SupremeDivinity' > 1. Brahman is the ultimate truth… > 2. There is nothing but Brahman – when we wake up from the > dream we call life; we understand there is only Brahman… > 3. And you are this Brahman… > 4. What is the nature of Shakti ? Just like you cannot > differentiate fire from its heat so also you cannot differentiate > between pure consciousness and its energy. As I understand it, this > is not like the example of potential and kinetic energy because > inherent in that definition is a property of becoming, but more like > example of fire and its heat, that is, it is different way of > looking into the same Brahman where there is no becoming. For example > to say potential and kinetic makes its nature change but to say > fire(light) and its heat is to describe the same thing. The reason I > stress this is that once you acknowledge becoming you are part of the > dream but Shakti is not part of the dream but looking at the same > Brahman (for a lack of words) from a different angle – this > please understand it not a point of view from a normal human being > but from the perspective of realized being – they live and act > in this world but in them there is not acknowledgement of > becoming… > 5. `That which is called Brahman (Supreme Divinity) in the > Vedas, is called Kali in the Tantras and Sri Krishna in the > Puranas' – through Brahman and Vedas we get the definition > of the goal, through Kali and the Tantras we come to terms with what > this means in practical terms (starting from where we are) and > through Sri Krishna (and also other Avatars) and the Guru we are > inspired and lead directly to the goal… > 6. Brahman – sat chit ananda ; Kali – aim hrim klim ; Sri > Krishna - satyam sivam sundaram. They are the same, just seen from > different angles… > 7. A realized being like Maa sees everything filled with truth, > consciousness and beauty, we whereas can only see satyam sivam > sundaram(truth, consciousness and beauty) truly reflected in them > and therefore are drawn towards them like a magnet… > 8. Therefore with a Grace of a Guru or God seek this > ultimate Truth… > 9. To reach the top of the building you need climb up the stairs, > so with help of God or Guru, climb the steps through sadhana and > reach your goal… > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Dear Sal, Thank you. Worry as " the progeny of fear " , I belive I'll remember that phrase. There is a story, told in several versions, of a young girl saint in Alexandria during one of those terrible scisms of the early Christian church as it was trying to find itself. She was sentenced to be boiled alive for something which she believed-or failed to believe-whereupon she requested the council that if she was to die, that she be placed, not in hot water, but cold, and that it be slowly heated up, so that her sacrifice of love to her beloved Jesus would last a longer time. Her sacrifice sometimes comes to mind when I feel myself beset with worries. Its really too bad that the saints have to come and work so hard merely to teach us simple, but vital, truths...but then,we have been so slow to learn. Noticing how increasingly dominated by worry and fear our nation [uSA] is becoming over the last decade or so, it might be useful to explore the dynamics of both love and fear, not only in their effects on individual spiritual evolution, but in their effects on the dharma of society as a whole. I'm wondering how the forces of fear and pure love interrelate and operate in our world. With respect, Tanmaya , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > Greetings all! > > Oh this is making my brain work....! This is only my humble opinion, > but worry is simply a progeny of fear. Worry from a root fear causes > paralysis. That is not living. Fear and worry, both unknowns > attached to the Ego, stifle the energy of moving forward, of living. > > An example: I fear that I will not be able to provide for my > children. I spend my time worrying where the money will come from. > The heavy, negative energy prevents me from moving forward > creatively, actively finding a solution and trusting that the > universe provides all anyway. I am so consumed in my worry that I > cut myself off from allowing the energy flow of Source. I freeze > with my worry and my fear...which is retreating or > contracting...metaphorical death. One can also escape, which is > energy moving the other way, but is it based in love? > > The next obvious question, is it possible to eliminate (or at least > greatly diminish) fear and live always, actively in " love? " Only if > one can consciously recognize that: 1)worry is a waste of time; and, > 2)the fear is an unreal projection, an illusion, of what is not > known. The fear is rendered useless, and energy is allowed to flow > once again. > > Easier said than done....! But it does work! > > love to all! > sal. > > > > , " ty_maa " dsjames@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sal, > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > " To be or not to be " -to love or to fear- " that is the question " > (we'll > > have to imagine the skull here). > > > > A saint-a disciple of Ramakrishna-said all expansion is life; > > contraction is death. That pure love is infinite expansion; fear > leads > > to ultimate contraction-death. > > > > But what is the relationship beween fear and worry? > > > > With Respect, > > > > Tanmaya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 > And second, you discuss Avatars, Gods and Gurus below. In Hinduism > (which is new to me) what is the distinction between these three? First we have to understand that all of them are concepts rooted in duality, that is when seen from a perspective of a person stuck in this illusion of duality. And from the perspective of Avatar, God and Guru - a beautiful non-dual dance. God - Here what i meant was Ishwara( you can canthis energy whatever you want), the the energy behind Everything ... seen from the perpective of our dual minds. This energy is the only True Guru and all other Gurus reflect him. This energy is also the energy which is takes a human form as an Avatar to move societies forward. Avatar - They are energies who take a human form to conciously works towards taking societies as a whole forward. All Avatars are Gurus. Guru - They are human beings who have an one on one relationship with their disciples to lead them towards the truth. Example from a Catholic Perspective would be... Ishwara - God the Father Avatar - Jesus Saints - Gurus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi Jennifer, Here is my understanding of these things, but I'm no pandit, so I may be off a bit... First, as you pointed out, everything is Brahman, including each of us, so comparison becomes a matter of discussing relative levels of realization and of position or place. Avatars are realized beings who choose to take birth. Gurus are instruments of the divine will whose purpose is to lead others from darkness to light. In the Guru Gita we see that there is no difference between the guru and Shiva (supreme divinity). We also find mention of the guru in the form of guru tattva, or the existential quality of guru. From our study of the Guru Gita a couple of years ago, Swamiji verified our discovery that Guru, in the form of guru tattva pervades all of creation. Guru, in this sense, is the inherent tendency in creation that leads all of life from darkness toward the light. The physical guru is the embodiment of that principle (which is the same as supreme divinity). Now, the subject of the gods is an interesting one, and one I know little about. We worship many of the gods as supreme divinity, yet there are stories suggesting a lack of full realization in at least some of them. For instance, the story I posted yesterday about Indra, who is said to be an aspect of Shiva, who didn't understand maya. Then there is the story Swamiji told once about a gathering of the gods in which all the Shivas of all the universes came, all believing they, alone, were supreme. They could not understand who all these other Shivas were, and were amazed to find that even their existence depended on another they did not know, Sadashiva. Then there is the fact that all of the gods are within each of us, though I don't know how much real meaning that statement has, since we are all supreme divinity, anyway. In the Chandi, all of the gods are held in bondage by our personal egoism and the forces of darkness within. Yet, despite being in bondage to the individual ego, supreme divinity is always described as completely free and untainted by anything. Is it the same for the gods? Perhaps we can only understand if we go at it from the perspective of levels. On the gross level we exist as individual beings with bodies of various sizes and conditions, and particular faces, and different hair, and unique personalities with individual propensities. On a more subtle level we are flawed spiritual beings, each on her own pilgrimage toward spiritual perfection. On a still more subtle level, we are supreme divinity, ever pure, ever free. On the gross level, the gods too, may have individual god-bodies, with limitations consistent with their personalities, and positions in external reality. On a higher level, we exist as beings manifesting varying levels of light and dark. Perhaps the gods, on this level, exist as embodiments of specific streams of consciousness which either manifest, or are held in bondage, in each one of us. It is conceivable that their individual experience is conditioned or limited at this level by our collective individual bondage, but I don't know... At the highest level, again, everything is ultimately supreme divinity. Interesting, huh? Jai Maa! Chris , " jrholm1007 " <jrholm1007 wrote: > > Peace to all, and thank you so much for sharing these insights, it is > very helpful for me to ponder this thread. It has raised a few > questions for me: > > First: re: 'there is nothing but Brahman...and you are this > Brahman'...I feel that I have glimpses of this truth, of being in the > beingness of all is Brahman...a shift in awareness/consciousness that > is fleeting. From a practical standpoint, can anyone share ideas > about what gives the 'glimpses' staying power? > > And second, you discuss Avatars, Gods and Gurus below. In Hinduism > (which is new to me) what is the distinction between these three? > > With gratitude,Jennifer > > , " n_mallan " <n_mallan@> wrote: > > > > Insights from `Shree Maa on SupremeDivinity' > > 1. Brahman is the ultimate truth… > > 2. There is nothing but Brahman – when we wake up from the > > dream we call life; we understand there is only Brahman… > > 3. And you are this Brahman… > > 4. What is the nature of Shakti ? Just like you cannot > > differentiate fire from its heat so also you cannot > differentiate > > between pure consciousness and its energy. As I understand it, > this > > is not like the example of potential and kinetic energy because > > inherent in that definition is a property of becoming, but more > like > > example of fire and its heat, that is, it is different way of > > looking into the same Brahman where there is no becoming. For > example > > to say potential and kinetic makes its nature change but to say > > fire(light) and its heat is to describe the same thing. The reason > I > > stress this is that once you acknowledge becoming you are part of > the > > dream but Shakti is not part of the dream but looking at the same > > Brahman (for a lack of words) from a different angle – this > > please understand it not a point of view from a normal human > being > > but from the perspective of realized being – they live and act > > in this world but in them there is not acknowledgement of > > becoming… > > 5. `That which is called Brahman (Supreme Divinity) in the > > Vedas, is called Kali in the Tantras and Sri Krishna in the > > Puranas' – through Brahman and Vedas we get the definition > > of the goal, through Kali and the Tantras we come to terms with > what > > this means in practical terms (starting from where we are) and > > through Sri Krishna (and also other Avatars) and the Guru we are > > inspired and lead directly to the goal… > > 6. Brahman – sat chit ananda ; Kali – aim hrim klim ; Sri > > Krishna - satyam sivam sundaram. They are the same, just seen > from > > different angles… > > 7. A realized being like Maa sees everything filled with > truth, > > consciousness and beauty, we whereas can only see satyam sivam > > sundaram(truth, consciousness and beauty) truly reflected in > them > > and therefore are drawn towards them like a magnet… > > 8. Therefore with a Grace of a Guru or God seek this > > ultimate Truth… > > 9. To reach the top of the building you need climb up the > stairs, > > so with help of God or Guru, climb the steps through sadhana and > > reach your goal… > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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