Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Namaste I am sorry if the comments about Swami's sadhana frightened you. That was not my intention. I wished to express that each devotee expresses their sincerity and love for Mother / Father God in a way that suits their temperment and their level of consciousness. As you know, it takes discipline, sacrifice, and devotion to reach one's goal. Whether one wants to play professional sports, become a heart surgeon, or a Saint. In this tradition, as well as many others, there are spiritual practices which take one out of one's comfort zone, and force one to confront one's limitations, and ultimately surrender them in order that a higher level of consciousness is achieved. A simple example from my life: every day of the 9 days of Navaratri, Maa wants the devotees at the Temple every morning at 4:30 am. Now, this is a big stretch for me. I love to sleep, and I feel it is important to be rested. But, I know in my heart and mind, that " stretching " is necessary. Why stretch you ask? Well, the answer is simple: I trust Maa and Swami. I have seen by their example that one has to " stretch oneself " , in order to discipline the mind and body. Only when one is disciplined, can one hope to attain to a steady and full relationship with the Divine. The subtle energies are so powerful, one has to be ready and able, mentally, emotionally, and physically, to receive them. So, I get up 4am, and drive 15 minutes to the Temple, and pray with the others. The benefit: feeling closer to Maa and Her subtle loving, healing energy, and, feeling good that I was able to discipline myself . This " stretching " is not limited to our tradition. As I have explored the lives of saints and sages of all faiths over the past 35 years, I have read numerous accounts of devotees of all faiths performing acts of devotion which would be seen as severe by any " sane " person. Fasting, pilgramages to dangerous mountain temples, subjecting oneself to hot or cold for long periods of time: all these types of exotic spiritual disciplines for the sake of gaining mastery over the body and mind and purifying the vessel, so that it could be filled with the Divine. Now it is true that some do this in order to gain " name and Fame " , and they shout their accomplishments out loud, but Maa and Swami cannot be included in that group. They have demonstrated over and over that the ego no longer holds sway in their lives and that their every action is dedicated to the upliftment of all mankind. Their lives are living examples that this path is true. When Shree Maa was young, She left home and lived for years on sandalwood paste and water in the jungle and mountains, alone, in deep meditation. She traveled alone, and gave Herself over to God's will. Swami performed many long fasts and chanted the Chandi alone 3 different times for 3 successive years. Both of them performed the sadhana which their Guru's taught them, in order to realize God, not for " name and fame " . In fact, each fled from society in order that they eliminate all distractions, attachments, and confusion. They sought to simplify their lives in order that they could focus on attaining their heartfelt desire: Self Realization. Their personal sadhana is discussed in their biographies, not to build up their egos, but to demonstrate the validity of the ancient texts. As Swami has said numerous times: we follow the guidance of our Gurus's, who followed their Gurus's guidance, back thru the generations, and because they realized the Truth, we know if we practice the same sadhana in the same way, we too will attain the goal. In conclusion, Maa or Swami never force anyone to perform any sadhana which will harm them. They observe each devotee closely and offer advice and help when asked. And, if they see someone out of balance, they will immediately talk with them and offer sound sage practical advice. I hope these comments remove your concern and lighten your heart. Jai Maa Jai Swami vishweshwar T , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote: > > Peace to you, Vish, > > We are all grateful for your reminders and postings as to how we can > further our devotion, as you do yours, to Shree Maa and Swami. But > when I read this one, it truly scared me. I question if this is the > sentiment that Mother and Swami wish to portray to the faithful. > > Your phrase - > " In order to grow closer to Her and to be granted a boon by Her, take > extra time to commune with Her. She will give you many blessings. " > > I'm confused. Is this self-serving? Doesn't she love us anyway? > Wouldn't an extra, silent, heart-felt " thank you " suffice? Does > loving her extra buy us favor? > > And then you go on to say - " Swami demonstrates His devotion to Ma > by fasting for the entire 9 days, and only drinking 1 cup of water > per day. " > > Does it benefit Swamiji greater that the world knows how he > personally demonstrates his love for Mother? What does he gain by > having this advertised? Swami is a realized master. If any of the > rest of us were to even attempt something like this or gently nudge > our loved ones to express devotion in this way, thinking our Mother > will love us more, is ill-advised and dangerous. I know you're only > trying to offer an example, but this is really extreme. > > Your post so startlingly moved me, I went to look up a passage from > another of my beloved masters, Jesus, from his Sermon on the Mount. > Believe it or not, I picked up a book and immediately opened to this > very page...(thank you Mother for finding this for me so quickly and > effortlessly...) > > " Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them, > otherwise ye have no reward of your Father (insert Mother) which is > in Heaven. Therefore when thou dost thine alms, do not sound a > trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in > the streets, that they may have the glory of men. Verily, I say unto > you, they have their reward...That thine alms may be in secret: and > thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. > And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for > they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of > the street, that they may be seen of men...But thou, when thou > prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou has shut thy door, pray > to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in > secret shall reward ye openly. But when ye pray, use not vain > repetitions, as the heathen do, for they think that they shall be > heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: > for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask > him. " (Matthew VI) > > respectfully, > sal. > > , " inspectionconnection108 " > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste: Sunday is day one of Summer Navatri. We will be meeting > in > > the Temple every morning for songs and prayers at 4:30 AM. This is > > the best time to focus on Maa. The 9 days of Navaratri, are a time > of > > extra focus on Divine Mother. Maa and Swami suggest extra prayer, > > meditation, puja, etc., to Mother, to express our love and devotion > > during this special time. > > In each season there are 9 days set aside for deeper worship of > > Mother. In order to grow closer to Her and to be granted a boon by > > Her, take extra time to commune with Her. She will give you many > > blessings. Swami demonstrates His devotion to Ma by fasting for the > > entire 9 days, and only drinking 1 cup of water per day. Each > devotee > > can choose some special way to demonstrate their love for Divine > Mother. > > Happy Navaratri > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Sal, Vish and Family: Namaste, I love the quote you shared, Sal, from Jesus and as a child took to heart the message to do one's sadhana in a closet. This past spring, for the first time after 30 years of study and practice, I accepted an invitation to speak with a class about yoga and health. I am passionate about Dharma, and love dialogue and debate, but am very very cautious about setting myself up as an example. I know my weaknesses. Last summer I had the opportunity to travel to Florida to take a class with Dr. Shastri at HUA on Vak Yoga. One of the things that came out in a lecture that I really appreciated was a lengthy discussion about how some are acharyas, how some become self realized beings or saints but do not return, and how some reach this level of realization but then choose to return to us, to show us the way. Doing one's sadhana publicly offers a razors edge, I think. For a person still firmly grounded in the ego, there is great risk and no doubt great distraction, as too much and too little are still very active. I think for a Saint or a Master there is also risk, they must operate by the laws of this world and we all know of many masters brought down by fame. I have worked with recovering addicts for years and there is a similar concern there, the wisdom is that a person in recovery never goes to try to drag a person in active addiction out alone because what is most likely is that the person in recovery will relapse. So people go in pairs or groups, that way the voice of addiction will be overwhelmed by the voice of recovery and any one who is tempted will have the support they need to stay on track. Maa and Ramakrishna both say that Satsang is essential, and I believe that it serves much the same purpose as a recovery group... inspiration, encouragement, protection from our ego and fear distractions. Maa and Swamiji commune with the Divine daily and constantly and they commune with each other. They do not do it alone. It is an incredible gift that they choose to allow us to watch their sadhana. And, I suspect it is a great burden to them. They do this as service, to show us the way. The motivation here is altruistic, not self-serving. When we choose to make sacrifice, do tapasya (whatever is meaningful for us), the Divine Mother knows. I agree with you that there is no need and in fact we would be well advised not to do this publicly. The only exception I see for most of us, is in the context of satsang, where we gain support to meet our goals. Competition has no place in this. Also some years ago, I took Bodhisattva vows with the Dalai Lama. The weight of this has been revisiting me as my understanding of this deepens. I believe that each time an enlightened being such as Shree Maa chooses to return to us to show us the path, they risk creating more karma and getting entangled. There is no way they cannot know this, but they risk it to help us. There is a big difference between an enlightened person giving us inspiration through example and the rest of us saying oh, look at me. Then again, Mother loves us all, even her kids puffed up with pride, yes? Maa sent me a note once saying that with no faith and no goal the mind goes hither and fo. She then advised that if I cared to with faith to do a very simple daily practice. It was a gentle and loving practice. My tendency has been the extremes. As Vish says, she watches and advises us as we need. One size does not fit all. It is also my personal opinion, and there is evidence in the sacred texts, that for most women the sadhana needs are different than that for men. This is another consideration when watching Swamiji and reading the inspired opinion of others. Each of us is limited by our own experience and vision. It is good that we can push each other beyond complacency via satsang, but in the end only the Guru within knows what is best for each of us. Does intuition say yes or no? Once size does not fit all. Isn't that beautiful? Recently Maa said in an email that she could see I am blossoming. I have not been in Maa's physical presence for a year and we only occasionally have correspondence....yet she sees....and I feel as close as if I am there daily. Om Jai Maa Sending love, Sadhu Maa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Many, many blessings to you Sadhu Maa, what a lovely reply! I am grateful for your kindness and wisdom - thank you for your understanding. I can just see you as a bright, cheerful daisy in Mother's garden! What a joy to see! much love to you! sal. , " Sadhu Maa " <sadumaa wrote: > > Sal, Vish and Family: > Namaste, > I love the quote you shared, Sal, from Jesus and as a child took to > heart the message to do one's sadhana in a closet. This past spring, > for the first time after 30 years of study and practice, I accepted an > invitation to speak with a class about yoga and health. I am > passionate about Dharma, and love dialogue and debate, but am very > very cautious about setting myself up as an example. I know my weaknesses. > > Last summer I had the opportunity to travel to Florida to take a class > with Dr. Shastri at HUA on Vak Yoga. One of the things that came out > in a lecture that I really appreciated was a lengthy discussion about > how some are acharyas, how some become self realized beings or saints > but do not return, and how some reach this level of realization but > then choose to return to us, to show us the way. > > Doing one's sadhana publicly offers a razors edge, I think. For a > person still firmly grounded in the ego, there is great risk and no > doubt great distraction, as too much and too little are still very > active. I think for a Saint or a Master there is also risk, they must > operate by the laws of this world and we all know of many masters > brought down by fame. > > I have worked with recovering addicts for years and there is a similar > concern there, the wisdom is that a person in recovery never goes to > try to drag a person in active addiction out alone because what is > most likely is that the person in recovery will relapse. So people go > in pairs or groups, that way the voice of addiction will be > overwhelmed by the voice of recovery and any one who is tempted will > have the support they need to stay on track. > > Maa and Ramakrishna both say that Satsang is essential, and I believe > that it serves much the same purpose as a recovery group... > inspiration, encouragement, protection from our ego and fear > distractions. Maa and Swamiji commune with the Divine daily and > constantly and they commune with each other. They do not do it alone. > > It is an incredible gift that they choose to allow us to watch their > sadhana. And, I suspect it is a great burden to them. They do this as > service, to show us the way. The motivation here is altruistic, not > self-serving. When we choose to make sacrifice, do tapasya (whatever > is meaningful for us), the Divine Mother knows. I agree with you that > there is no need and in fact we would be well advised not to do this > publicly. The only exception I see for most of us, is in the context > of satsang, where we gain support to meet our goals. Competition has > no place in this. > > Also some years ago, I took Bodhisattva vows with the Dalai Lama. The > weight of this has been revisiting me as my understanding of this > deepens. I believe that each time an enlightened being such as Shree > Maa chooses to return to us to show us the path, they risk creating > more karma and getting entangled. There is no way they cannot know > this, but they risk it to help us. There is a big difference between > an enlightened person giving us inspiration through example and the > rest of us saying oh, look at me. Then again, Mother loves us all, > even her kids puffed up with pride, yes? > > Maa sent me a note once saying that with no faith and no goal the mind > goes hither and fo. She then advised that if I cared to with faith to > do a very simple daily practice. It was a gentle and loving practice. > My tendency has been the extremes. As Vish says, she watches and > advises us as we need. One size does not fit all. It is also my > personal opinion, and there is evidence in the sacred texts, that for > most women the sadhana needs are different than that for men. This is > another consideration when watching Swamiji and reading the inspired > opinion of others. Each of us is limited by our own experience and > vision. It is good that we can push each other beyond complacency via > satsang, but in the end only the Guru within knows what is best for > each of us. Does intuition say yes or no? Once size does not fit all. > Isn't that beautiful? > > Recently Maa said in an email that she could see I am blossoming. I > have not been in Maa's physical presence for a year and we only > occasionally have correspondence....yet she sees....and I feel as > close as if I am there daily. Om > > Jai Maa > Sending love, > Sadhu Maa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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