Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Namaste Henny: Here is Swami's response From Swami: No. Just touch the earth or altar in front of the lingam, and place the rice (just a pinch) there. Shiva knows what we're trying to do. Jai Maa Jai Swami Vishweshwar , " henny_v_i " <henny_v_i wrote: > > Namaste Vish, > > thank you, I understand, except one thing which I have a question > about. If appropriate, would you be so kind to forward to Swamiji > again? > > Namaste Swamiji, > > thank you very much for your response. Your availability and readiness > to answer questions of devotees is the most powerful teaching about > devotion and service. I pray I learn to be just as available and ready > to be of service to my Gurus. May my mind be filled with that firm > determination of Shiva, the Consciousness of Infinite Goodness. > I have one further question about the prana pratistha on the lingam: > > if I start with the mantras touching the earth and placing rice, would > I lift the lingam from the altar in order to be able to place it on > top? > > thank you for your time and consideration, > > with love, > henny > > , " inspectionconnection108 " > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Henny: Here is Swami's response from your e mail, which I > > forwarded to him. His answers are embedded into your question. > Hope > > you can understand it. This can help others who wish to expand > their > > worship of Shiva. > > > > HENNY: I have some questions about prana pratishta in Shiva puja. > > > In a discussion of the Cosmic Puja it was mentioned that prana > > > pratishta can also be performed on the lingam instead of > > establishing a pot. So for some time now I have been trying to > expand > > my Shiva puja by adding the establishment of life part. But I get > into > > trouble about where to insert the procedure, get worried about > making > > mistakes and go back to the familiar pattern. But that does not feel > > right either, there is a definite push to go further. So here are my > > questions: > > > > > > > > Normally, following the extended Shiva Puja as taught by Parvati > some > > > time ago, I purify water and flowers (and after this I have > inserted > > > bhuta shuddhi), then > > > > SWAMI: dhyanam/nyasa - establishment of life - japa and puja > naivedya. > > > > > Where would I > > > insert the establishment of life in the lingam? > > > > > > > > If the establishment of life is done in the lingam (instead of > > > establishing a pot), how is it done? Do we use all the mantras for > > > establishing a pot (including touching the earth and offering > baths > > > and powders etc.)? > > > > SWAMI: That's best. > > > > > Or do we skip the mantras for filling the pot and > > > start by establishing stillness, followed by the mantras for prana > > > pratishta (om am aam etc.)? > > > > SWAMI: If you're in a hurry this works. > > > > > > > > Once we have installed life in the lingam, do we then perform the > > > complete puja naivedya (i.e. offer baths and powders again)? > > > > > Or add > > > only food and drinking water? > > > > SWAMI: Above is best. This also works in a shorter puja. > > > > > > And when do we remove the divine energy; is this done immediately > > > after ending the puja in the morning or later in the evening? It > is > > > probably a silly thing, but it does not feel right to establish > life > > > and then go out to work, leaving Him all alone on the altar:). > > > > SWAMI: In the evening, after we have served him all day long through > our > > various functions. > > > > > > > > HENNY: dear family, it is wonderful to be able to ask these > questions. > > Even though I have not been posting much, I read all the posts and > > derive great inspiration and help from them. This group is a > lifeline. > > And above all, my heartfelt gratitude goes out to Shree Maa and > > Swamiji, who never waver in their devotion to demonstrating truth, > > beauty and love to their children. > > > > SWAMI: Jai Maa! So nice to hear from you. > > We send you all our love and blessings. > > - > > > > > > JAI MAA JAI SWAMI > > > > VISHWESHWAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " henny_v_i " <henny_v_i@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > > > please accept my heartfelt appreciation for the seva you are doing > > > here on this forum; your posts are truly inspirational. Your > speaking > > > about how a relationship is built with Shiva by starting with the > > > basic puja and then expanding, has rekindled a fire in my heart. > > > I perform the expanded puja Maa Parvati taught us (the 'lessons' > were > > > posted here, so they must be in the archives, and this provided us > > > with a wonderful way to expand the basic puja as taught by > Nandaji), > > > and now I would like to take it a step further. Some time ago, I > asked > > > a question about it in the group, but no response came. So perhaps > it > > > was not the right time or there was some other reason. But just in > > > case my question was overlooked, I have the audacity to bring post > > > 25042 to your attention, because I would dearly love to have the > > > answer. If my insistence is inappropriate, I will understand and I > > > will continue my practice as it is, > > > > > > with love, > > > Henny > > > > > > > > > > > > , " inspectionconnection108 " > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Eric and all: if you have never performed Shiva puja, > and > > > are > > > > not comfortable with the process and techniques of worship, it > would > > > > be best to begin with the Beginner Shiva puja text. It is simple > and > > > > straight forward. > > > > Also, the puja in the Advanced text takes quite a bit of time, > while > > > > the Beginner can take 20-30 minutes, once you know how to do it. > > > > > It is all up to you. What is your goal? How long do you have > each > > > > Monday? How experienced are you with puja performance? > > > > If your goal is to begin a relationship with Shiva, then start > > > simple, > > > > and become very familiar with the basic beginner puja. Learn it > by > > > > heart so that you can focus on worship, and not on reading the > text > > > > and fumbling with the book and the articles of worship. > > > > In my own experience, I have found I could focus more on > building a > > > > relationship with Shiva by keeping my practice simple, rather > than > > > > getting into more elaborate and technically challenging > techniques. > > > > Then in time, after I mastered the basic puja, I naturally > wanted to > > > > expand my puja because I wanted to find more ways to tell Shiva > how > > > > much I love him. then I added mantras from the advanced puja > text. > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Eric Cassils <Quanchula1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vish, Devi et All, > > > > > > > > > > For the 16 Monday worship, if we have the advanced > > > > > Shiva puja book is it acceptable to use this book as > > > > > well. I know it would have been better to start with > > > > > something less advanced, but I was very attracted by > > > > > the cover of this book, and by it's sheer > > > > > completeness. > > > > > Jai Swami Jai Maa, Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > eric > > > > > --- inspectionconnection108 > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Carie: Order the $10 book, SHIVA PUJA FOR > > > > > > BEGINNERS. Once > > > > > > you receive it, come to this club site, and on the > > > > > > left margin, you > > > > > > see a word " FILES " , click on FILES and you will see > > > > > > a folder for > > > > > > LEARNING SHIVA PUJA. This will give you point by > > > > > > point instructions, > > > > > > following the book, to perform the puja. > > > > > > also, you can contact me and I will be glad to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Ma Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishweshwar > > > > > > , " Carie M " > > > > > > <m.cirene@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that the book for 10.00? Peace, Carie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:00 AM, gauri_108 <gauri_108@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Carrie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great sankalpa to take on. The > > > > > > begiiner Siva puja book is > > > > > > > > where a lot of us started out. It has all the > > > > > > components in a simple > > > > > > > > form that should not take more than 1/2 hou to > > > > > > do once you get > > > > > > > > compfortable with it. I always had a good time > > > > > > getting up in the > > > > > > > > morning, " cooking Siva breakfast " and then > > > > > > offering it in the puja. > > > > > > > > The sankalpa says that you perform the worship > > > > > > for 16 weeks...you can > > > > > > > > make it as simple or as elaborate as you like -- > > > > > > it's all about > > > > > > > > showing your love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Carie M " > > > > > > <m.cirene@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read it it is a beautiful story. What is > > > > > > required? > > > > > > > > > Peace, Carie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/26/07, devi <student61754@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone checked out the calendar at the > > > > > > > > Shreemaa.org > > > > > > <http://shreemaa.org/><http://shreemaa.org/> > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > It's great! > > > > > > > > > > Today is a good day to start the Siva > > > > > > Sankalpa for 16 Mondays! > > > > > > > > > > Anyone want to join in? > > > > > > > > > > We can all share questions & experiences in > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > This is going to be fun. > > > > > > > > > > Look forward to seeing your posts. > > > > > > > > > > May each of your Mondays be blessed by > > > > > > haveing the honor of > > > > > > doing Siva > > > > > > > > > > Puja. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa, > > > > > > > > > > Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with > > > > > > friends inside > > > > > > Mail. See > > > > > > > > > > how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.rd./evt=51732/*http://overview.mail.. > > > com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > " Wherever you stand... be the soul of that > > > > > > place. " > > > > > > > > > - Rumi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " It's the blood of the Ancients > > > > > > > > > That runs in our veins > > > > > > > > > And the forms pass > > > > > > > > > But the circle of life remains " > > > > > > > > > ~Charlie Murphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/taraerin58 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit us online at > > > > > > http://www.ShreeMaa.org<http://www.shreemaa.org/> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Thank you Swamiji, thank you Vishweshwar. , " inspectionconnection108 " <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste Henny: Here is Swami's response > > From Swami: > No. Just touch the earth or altar in front of the lingam, and place > the rice (just a pinch) there. Shiva knows what we're trying to do. > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > Vishweshwar > > > > > > > , " henny_v_i " <henny_v_i@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > thank you, I understand, except one thing which I have a question > > about. If appropriate, would you be so kind to forward to Swamiji > > again? > > > > Namaste Swamiji, > > > > thank you very much for your response. Your availability and readiness > > to answer questions of devotees is the most powerful teaching about > > devotion and service. I pray I learn to be just as available and ready > > to be of service to my Gurus. May my mind be filled with that firm > > determination of Shiva, the Consciousness of Infinite Goodness. > > I have one further question about the prana pratistha on the lingam: > > > > if I start with the mantras touching the earth and placing rice, would > > I lift the lingam from the altar in order to be able to place it on > > top? > > > > thank you for your time and consideration, > > > > with love, > > henny > > > > , " inspectionconnection108 " > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Henny: Here is Swami's response from your e mail, which I > > > forwarded to him. His answers are embedded into your question. > > Hope > > > you can understand it. This can help others who wish to expand > > their > > > worship of Shiva. > > > > > > HENNY: I have some questions about prana pratishta in Shiva puja. > > > > In a discussion of the Cosmic Puja it was mentioned that prana > > > > pratishta can also be performed on the lingam instead of > > > establishing a pot. So for some time now I have been trying to > > expand > > > my Shiva puja by adding the establishment of life part. But I get > > into > > > trouble about where to insert the procedure, get worried about > > making > > > mistakes and go back to the familiar pattern. But that does not feel > > > right either, there is a definite push to go further. So here are my > > > questions: > > > > > > > > > > > Normally, following the extended Shiva Puja as taught by Parvati > > some > > > > time ago, I purify water and flowers (and after this I have > > inserted > > > > bhuta shuddhi), then > > > > > > SWAMI: dhyanam/nyasa - establishment of life - japa and puja > > naivedya. > > > > > > > Where would I > > > > insert the establishment of life in the lingam? > > > > > > > > > > > If the establishment of life is done in the lingam (instead of > > > > establishing a pot), how is it done? Do we use all the mantras for > > > > establishing a pot (including touching the earth and offering > > baths > > > > and powders etc.)? > > > > > > SWAMI: That's best. > > > > > > > Or do we skip the mantras for filling the pot and > > > > start by establishing stillness, followed by the mantras for prana > > > > pratishta (om am aam etc.)? > > > > > > SWAMI: If you're in a hurry this works. > > > > > > > > > > > Once we have installed life in the lingam, do we then perform the > > > > complete puja naivedya (i.e. offer baths and powders again)? > > > > > > > Or add > > > > only food and drinking water? > > > > > > SWAMI: Above is best. This also works in a shorter puja. > > > > > > > > And when do we remove the divine energy; is this done immediately > > > > after ending the puja in the morning or later in the evening? It > > is > > > > probably a silly thing, but it does not feel right to establish > > life > > > > and then go out to work, leaving Him all alone on the altar:). > > > > > > SWAMI: In the evening, after we have served him all day long through > > our > > > various functions. > > > > > > > > > > > HENNY: dear family, it is wonderful to be able to ask these > > questions. > > > Even though I have not been posting much, I read all the posts and > > > derive great inspiration and help from them. This group is a > > lifeline. > > > And above all, my heartfelt gratitude goes out to Shree Maa and > > > Swamiji, who never waver in their devotion to demonstrating truth, > > > beauty and love to their children. > > > > > > SWAMI: Jai Maa! So nice to hear from you. > > > We send you all our love and blessings. > > > - > > > > > > > > > JAI MAA JAI SWAMI > > > > > > VISHWESHWAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " henny_v_i " <henny_v_i@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Vish, > > > > > > > > please accept my heartfelt appreciation for the seva you are doing > > > > here on this forum; your posts are truly inspirational. Your > > speaking > > > > about how a relationship is built with Shiva by starting with the > > > > basic puja and then expanding, has rekindled a fire in my heart. > > > > I perform the expanded puja Maa Parvati taught us (the 'lessons' > > were > > > > posted here, so they must be in the archives, and this provided us > > > > with a wonderful way to expand the basic puja as taught by > > Nandaji), > > > > and now I would like to take it a step further. Some time ago, I > > asked > > > > a question about it in the group, but no response came. So perhaps > > it > > > > was not the right time or there was some other reason. But just in > > > > case my question was overlooked, I have the audacity to bring post > > > > 25042 to your attention, because I would dearly love to have the > > > > answer. If my insistence is inappropriate, I will understand and I > > > > will continue my practice as it is, > > > > > > > > with love, > > > > Henny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " inspectionconnection108 " > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Eric and all: if you have never performed Shiva puja, > > and > > > > are > > > > > not comfortable with the process and techniques of worship, it > > would > > > > > be best to begin with the Beginner Shiva puja text. It is simple > > and > > > > > straight forward. > > > > > Also, the puja in the Advanced text takes quite a bit of time, > > while > > > > > the Beginner can take 20-30 minutes, once you know how to do it. > > > > > > > It is all up to you. What is your goal? How long do you have > > each > > > > > Monday? How experienced are you with puja performance? > > > > > If your goal is to begin a relationship with Shiva, then start > > > > simple, > > > > > and become very familiar with the basic beginner puja. Learn it > > by > > > > > heart so that you can focus on worship, and not on reading the > > text > > > > > and fumbling with the book and the articles of worship. > > > > > In my own experience, I have found I could focus more on > > building a > > > > > relationship with Shiva by keeping my practice simple, rather > > than > > > > > getting into more elaborate and technically challenging > > techniques. > > > > > Then in time, after I mastered the basic puja, I naturally > > wanted to > > > > > expand my puja because I wanted to find more ways to tell Shiva > > how > > > > > much I love him. then I added mantras from the advanced puja > > text. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Eric Cassils <Quanchula1@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vish, Devi et All, > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 16 Monday worship, if we have the advanced > > > > > > Shiva puja book is it acceptable to use this book as > > > > > > well. I know it would have been better to start with > > > > > > something less advanced, but I was very attracted by > > > > > > the cover of this book, and by it's sheer > > > > > > completeness. > > > > > > Jai Swami Jai Maa, Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > eric > > > > > > --- inspectionconnection108 > > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Carie: Order the $10 book, SHIVA PUJA FOR > > > > > > > BEGINNERS. Once > > > > > > > you receive it, come to this club site, and on the > > > > > > > left margin, you > > > > > > > see a word " FILES " , click on FILES and you will see > > > > > > > a folder for > > > > > > > LEARNING SHIVA PUJA. This will give you point by > > > > > > > point instructions, > > > > > > > following the book, to perform the puja. > > > > > > > also, you can contact me and I will be glad to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Ma Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishweshwar > > > > > > > , " Carie M " > > > > > > > <m.cirene@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that the book for 10.00? Peace, Carie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:00 AM, gauri_108 <gauri_108@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Carrie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great sankalpa to take on. The > > > > > > > begiiner Siva puja book is > > > > > > > > > where a lot of us started out. It has all the > > > > > > > components in a simple > > > > > > > > > form that should not take more than 1/2 hou to > > > > > > > do once you get > > > > > > > > > compfortable with it. I always had a good time > > > > > > > getting up in the > > > > > > > > > morning, " cooking Siva breakfast " and then > > > > > > > offering it in the puja. > > > > > > > > > The sankalpa says that you perform the worship > > > > > > > for 16 weeks...you can > > > > > > > > > make it as simple or as elaborate as you like -- > > > > > > > it's all about > > > > > > > > > showing your love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Carie M " > > > > > > > <m.cirene@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read it it is a beautiful story. What is > > > > > > > required? > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Carie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/26/07, devi <student61754@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone checked out the calendar at the > > > > > > > > > Shreemaa.org > > > > > > > <http://shreemaa.org/><http://shreemaa.org/> > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > It's great! > > > > > > > > > > > Today is a good day to start the Siva > > > > > > > Sankalpa for 16 Mondays! > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone want to join in? > > > > > > > > > > > We can all share questions & experiences in > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > This is going to be fun. > > > > > > > > > > > Look forward to seeing your posts. > > > > > > > > > > > May each of your Mondays be blessed by > > > > > > > haveing the honor of > > > > > > > doing Siva > > > > > > > > > > > Puja. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa, > > > > > > > > > > > Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with > > > > > > > friends inside > > > > > > > Mail. See > > > > > > > > > > > how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.rd./evt=51732/*http://overview.mail. . > > > > com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > " Wherever you stand... be the soul of that > > > > > > > place. " > > > > > > > > > > - Rumi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " It's the blood of the Ancients > > > > > > > > > > That runs in our veins > > > > > > > > > > And the forms pass > > > > > > > > > > But the circle of life remains " > > > > > > > > > > ~Charlie Murphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/taraerin58 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit us online at > > > > > > > http://www.ShreeMaa.org<http://www.shreemaa.org/> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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