To All: Chandi Sankalpa: Kavach - some thoughts/questions!

[Guest guest]

I offer this to you all, not as an attempt to change anyone's perceptions,

but as a sharing of my own experience that began with my most fortuitous

meeting and brief time spent with Maa and Swami.

I don't believe I am suggesting anything is unnecessary. Whatever is

appearing is valid. I am suggesting that nothing is more or less valid

than anything else, be it spiritual or material. I will also suggest that

ANYONE who thinks of themselves as an individual acting for the benefit

of said individual or any other individual is bound and suffers, no differently

than any other, be they guru, spiritual aspirant, or common man on the street.

Therefore it is my belief that to pursue questions pertaining to the well

being of a body/ mind only serves to re-enforce the illusion of separation.

I would most respectfully suggest sincere inquiry into the meaning of

such expressions as the simple prayer many of us offer before meals,

found at the end of the Durga and other pujas Swami has so graciously

offered. It is expressions such as these that point to the one true

reality. All is God. No where is there anything but God.

To quote Swami's translation; " The Supreme Divinity makes the offering;

the Supreme Divinity is the offering; offered by the Supreme Divinity, in

the fire of the Supreme Divinity. By seeing the Supreme Divinity in all actions,

one realizes that Supreme Divinity. "

" That is whole and perfect; this is whole and perfect. From the whole and

perfect, the whole and perfect becomes manifest. If the whole and perfect

issue forth from the whole and perfect, even still only the whole and perfect

will remain. " Who needs protecting................?

Take your stand as awareness and trust that all is good ....

leave the results to God. Chanting mantras and the wearing of amour

will continue as they will until they don't. By all means enjoy!

I am not suggesting that anyone " think " they are consciousness and be

done with it. I am merely suggesting that all assumptions be looked at

with the sincere open desire to know who and what you really are.

You will find that all is whole and perfect now and forever, and always was.

With love and gratitude to you all, and Shree Maa for allowing me to trust

my own heart, and inspiring me with such expressions as; " I am nothing " ,

and " Remember Yourself now. "

Ganesh Baba

 

, " inspectionconnection108 "

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste all: Gbaba noted that everything is consciousness and thus

> suggested that putting on the kavach, chanting the mantras, is

> unnecessary. That is an idea to explore. In my experience, if Maa

> and Swami suggest we chant some mantras, they feel there will be great

> benefit in doing so. Therefore it would not be sufficient for us to

> just " think " that we are pure consciousness, and, therefore

> automatically be protected. There must be a " real " effect which

> results from chanting those specific mantras.

> As Ramya asks: is it an insurance policy? Or is it a test of our

> faith in our Guru that we chant the Kavach?

> Nanda suggests Maa is already there, but we just have to become more

> aware of Her. We open ourselves to Her.

> All great thoughts.

> I have performed Shiva puja daily for 10 years, and have chanted Shiva

> kavach daily for several years. As a result, I feel that I have become

> closer to realizing that Eternal Truth, that I AM SHIVA, the

> " consciousness of infinite goodness, but, I still have a relative body

> which needs help and protection. As I move through this world, the

> forces of duality have some effect on this body. Thus, I need the

> protection of these mantras in and on my body.

> I will continue to ponder these notions.

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

> , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Brindavanshakti, Kalachandra, Vish, Amrish, Henny, Jennifer,

> > Papia, Usha, Prathiba, Kali, Gbaba and Nanda and Everybody,

> >

> > Thanks for your interest in studying Chandi together.

> >

> > Everybody is welcome to join in our discussion and journey!

> >

> > Nanda - thanks for the vocabulary list!

> >

> > Thanks Vish, Nanda, Henny and Gbaba for a very thoughtful discussion

> > on the kavach.

> >

> > My understanding is that the kavach is an armour - something that we

> > " put on " or feel within as we chant the mantras. We feel Divine

> > Mother's protection.

> >

> > Maa once asked me if I was chanting the kavach. I stood silently. She

> > said, " You don't have to chant it only when you do Chandi. You can

> > chant just the kavach - sometimes. "

> >

> > After reading, Vish's question - i was wondering -- Why do we chant

> > the kavach? Is it an insurance policy? Does complete faith mean Total

> > Protection? What is total protection?

> >

> > As we chant verses 1 to 22 this week, please can you think about these

> > and share your thoughts? Also any other questions/issues to help us

> > get a deeper understanding. Thank You!

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > ramya

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ganesh Baba, thank you so much for your thoughtful and

respectful post. I am learning a lot from this entire discussion

about the Kavach. Your description of 'all is God' is one that I

agree with wholeheartedly.

 

And yet, please be patient with me, there is this repetitious

experience that I have where it all falls apart for me. It is when I

consider the suffering in the world. Darfur...Rwanda...Burma...the

training techniques of child soldiers...the aids crisis in

Africa...the Nazi regime...the mechanics of world poverty...or pick

any other tragedy in the history or present moment of humankind.

 

When I consider these very real experiences that my brothers and

sisters across the globe are living with, and try to make sense out

of it and reconcile it with 'all is God', I feel lost. Is it that

potentiality and actuality are two different things?

 

I feel that all crimes against humanity stem from the ego. The ego

is a part of human nature for all of us. This is why I gratefully

chant the kavach. This is what I want protection from. This is what

I surrender to Divine Mother. Is separation an illusion? Yes. Is

that illusion harmful to humanity? Yes. Are people living out of

that illusion? Yes.

 

Until all of humankind is reconciled with God, living from the

understanding of 'all is God, there is no separation', we will have

need of protection from the ego. That is my understanding.

 

Please, if you would be so kind, I feel that you have a deeper

understanding of the surrendered state than I do. How do you, Ganesh

Baba, understand the suffering in the world?

 

Thank you, Jennifer

 

, " bababarneycat " <gbaba wrote:

>

> I offer this to you all, not as an attempt to change anyone's

perceptions,

> but as a sharing of my own experience that began with my most

fortuitous

> meeting and brief time spent with Maa and Swami.

> I don't believe I am suggesting anything is unnecessary. Whatever is

> appearing is valid. I am suggesting that nothing is more or less

valid

> than anything else, be it spiritual or material. I will also

suggest that

> ANYONE who thinks of themselves as an individual acting for the

benefit

> of said individual or any other individual is bound and suffers, no

differently

> than any other, be they guru, spiritual aspirant, or common man on

the street.

> Therefore it is my belief that to pursue questions pertaining to

the well

> being of a body/ mind only serves to re-enforce the illusion of

separation.

> I would most respectfully suggest sincere inquiry into the meaning

of

> such expressions as the simple prayer many of us offer before meals,

> found at the end of the Durga and other pujas Swami has so

graciously

> offered. It is expressions such as these that point to the one true

> reality. All is God. No where is there anything but God.

> To quote Swami's translation; " The Supreme Divinity makes the

offering;

> the Supreme Divinity is the offering; offered by the Supreme

Divinity, in

> the fire of the Supreme Divinity. By seeing the Supreme Divinity in

all actions,

> one realizes that Supreme Divinity. "

> " That is whole and perfect; this is whole and perfect. From the

whole and

> perfect, the whole and perfect becomes manifest. If the whole and

perfect

> issue forth from the whole and perfect, even still only the whole

and perfect

> will remain. " Who needs protecting................?

> Take your stand as awareness and trust that all is good ....

> leave the results to God. Chanting mantras and the wearing of amour

> will continue as they will until they don't. By all means enjoy!

> I am not suggesting that anyone " think " they are consciousness and

be

> done with it. I am merely suggesting that all assumptions be looked

at

> with the sincere open desire to know who and what you really are.

> You will find that all is whole and perfect now and forever, and

always was.

> With love and gratitude to you all, and Shree Maa for allowing me

to trust

> my own heart, and inspiring me with such expressions as; " I am

nothing " ,

> and " Remember Yourself now. "

> Ganesh Baba

>

> , " inspectionconnection108 "

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all: Gbaba noted that everything is consciousness and

thus

> > suggested that putting on the kavach, chanting the mantras, is

> > unnecessary. That is an idea to explore. In my experience, if

Maa

> > and Swami suggest we chant some mantras, they feel there will be

great

> > benefit in doing so. Therefore it would not be sufficient for us

to

> > just " think " that we are pure consciousness, and, therefore

> > automatically be protected. There must be a " real " effect which

> > results from chanting those specific mantras.

> > As Ramya asks: is it an insurance policy? Or is it a test of our

> > faith in our Guru that we chant the Kavach?

> > Nanda suggests Maa is already there, but we just have to become

more

> > aware of Her. We open ourselves to Her.

> > All great thoughts.

> > I have performed Shiva puja daily for 10 years, and have chanted

Shiva

> > kavach daily for several years. As a result, I feel that I have

become

> > closer to realizing that Eternal Truth, that I AM SHIVA, the

> > " consciousness of infinite goodness, but, I still have a relative

body

> > which needs help and protection. As I move through this world,

the

> > forces of duality have some effect on this body. Thus, I need the

> > protection of these mantras in and on my body.

> > I will continue to ponder these notions.

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> >

> > vishweshwar

> >

> > , " n_ramya108 " <n_ramya108@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Brindavanshakti, Kalachandra, Vish, Amrish, Henny,

Jennifer,

> > > Papia, Usha, Prathiba, Kali, Gbaba and Nanda and Everybody,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your interest in studying Chandi together.

> > >

> > > Everybody is welcome to join in our discussion and journey!

> > >

> > > Nanda - thanks for the vocabulary list!

> > >

> > > Thanks Vish, Nanda, Henny and Gbaba for a very thoughtful

discussion

> > > on the kavach.

> > >

> > > My understanding is that the kavach is an armour - something

that we

> > > " put on " or feel within as we chant the mantras. We feel Divine

> > > Mother's protection.

> > >

> > > Maa once asked me if I was chanting the kavach. I stood

silently. She

> > > said, " You don't have to chant it only when you do Chandi. You

can

> > > chant just the kavach - sometimes. "

> > >

> > > After reading, Vish's question - i was wondering -- Why do we

chant

> > > the kavach? Is it an insurance policy? Does complete faith mean

Total

> > > Protection? What is total protection?

> > >

> > > As we chant verses 1 to 22 this week, please can you think

about these

> > > and share your thoughts? Also any other questions/issues to

help us

> > > get a deeper understanding. Thank You!

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > >

> > > ramya

> > >

> >

>