Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Namaste Leela: I have forwarded you question to Swami and will post his response. When I read that verse, I see Krishna's greatest gift: that all of us, no matter what birth we have taken, can achieve liberation through His Grace. I am a businessman, and what little I have learned in my 10 years of study and worship with Maa, I can count on this: Maa has offered Her help and infinite compassion and love to everyone who comes to Her with devotion and a sincere desire to know God. She does not differentiate between high and low caste, businessman and woman, children and old folks, rich and poor: She loves all and extends Her hand to guide us to the Supreme Divinity. Her Guru, Ramakrishna took the same posture, and His disciples carried His message of harmony and brotherhood to all parts of the world. Dear Sister, please take refuge in Krishna, and Maa and know in your heart that They will take care of you and bring you peace. Jai Ma Jai Swami vishweshwar , " deviloka " <deviloka wrote: > > Thank-You Chris and Thank-You Yogini! It is a very blessed thing to > have co-pilgrims on the path who can share responses when we have > doubts! And Lord Krishna certainly does negate social karmas( " The > meaning is: For a true devotee all social inequalities are negated. " ) > This is good, I can see it in the verse. I also feel that the path of > Bhakti is very universal and the names of God are very purifying. > There is more " stuff " behind this inner conflict that I have that has > been raised by this verse, such as my experience in a very > conservative Vaishnava temple where women are considered to be impure > and treated accordingly and reading texts such as Viveka Chudamani, > but this subject may be beyond the scope of this forum. Perhaps it is > all a false duality that will be resolved in the Thousand-Petaled > Lotus in the Crown Chakra. > My love and appreciation to all > Leela > > > > > > , " yoginah108 " <yoginah108@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Leela! > > I offer the commentary on this Bhagavad Gita verse > > from Paramahansa Yoganandaji: > > > > " Stanza 32 does not cast a slur against women and those of low > birth > > and worldly businessmen (Vaishyas) and body-identified laborers > > (Sudras). No scripture suggests that these are the " worst among > > sinners " ! The meaning is: For a true devotee all social > inequalities > > are negated. > > > > Unlike society, God never disqualifies anyone because of > occupation, > > sex, or birth. In reality the " family tree " of all beings is > divinely > > impressive. Are they not children of the Most High, an coheirs to > an > > eternal kingdom? " > > > > I hope this offering helps. > > > > Love, > > yogini > > > > > > > > , " deviloka " <deviloka@> wrote: > > > > > > , " maadevi55 " <maadevi55@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who take refuge in Me, even if they took birth in a > > sinful > > > > womb, or as women, as business people or as laborers, all > attain > > the > > > > supreme refuge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavad Gita (Chap 9 vs32) - Published by the Devi Mandir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om sanatani mayavidmahe > > > > > > > > Jñana praka´sayai dhimahe > > > > > > > > Tanno ´sri mam pracodayat > > > > > > > Help! > > > Please respectfully allow me to take refuge in Lord Krishna, who > is > > > the very personification of the Brahman Itself, no different then > > > dear Mother Chamunda, and express my wish that I may attain the > > > Supreme Refuge! > > > Yes, my reason tells me that in this verse, which begins and ends > > > with the Supreme, ultimately there are no differences in the One- > > > Without-a-Second and through devotion and sadhana we all can > attain > > > the Supreme Refuge. Yet the alarms still go off inside me! How > can > > I > > > best understand this? It raises a conflict in my mind over the > idea > > > of social hierarchies with assigned values of pure/impure vs. the > > > idea of Non-Duality. Since childhood I have always resisted the > > idea > > > that people could be impure because of birth, sex/gender, social > > > status or income, regardless of what my aristocratic mother tried > > to > > > teach me. (As an elder, my mom became much more liberal in her > > views) > > > When I come across passages like the above in the scriptures, my > > > alarms go off and I feel a definite resistance coming up within > me. > > > It can sometimes lead to a full-blown courtroom trial argument in > > my > > > mind about whether the statement holds up for me or not! Then I > > > remember that an aversion/resistance pattern can be an obstacle > in > > > yoga...and again, if I wasn't identified with this woman's body I > > > seem to find myself in, who is there to be offended? > > > I hope that these words convey my devotion and respect as well as > > my > > > inner dilemma. Yes, I can kindly ask my mind to drop it and shut > up > > > and do the mantra, but that only works until I come to the next > > > scriptural passage or commentary that sets off the alarms again! > > > What is the best way to understand this and/or to deal with the > > > resistance? > > > Thank-You Shree Maa and Swamiji and Friends in advance for > > > considering this child's request. > > > Sincerely. > > > Leela > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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