Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Namaste all: With great respect, I would like to respond to your statement about intellectual and devotional tendencies. Swami and Maa have stated that it is important to understand what one is chanting. For example: I meet and fall in love with my Guru. Now, I want to know what pleases her, what makes her happy, what food she likes, how to serve her, how to worship her. So, once I have this knowledge and understanding, my relationship with Her can grow and expand and deepen. And, as my devotion grows, I will have more questions, and so it goes. Likewise, if I can understand what that Chandi represents, what the text means on many different levels, then my relationship with Chandi, and MySelf, can grow and expand and deepen. Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are important. At the Devi Mandir, we are blessed to have Swami and Maa to directly interpret and explain the many facets of the Chandi. Then, we can sit at the homa and chant with them. We can feel their bhava and experience their enthusiasm and devotion. My own experience has grown 100% because I now understand what I have been chanting for years. Jai Ma Jai Swami vishweshwar , " Sankar Viswanathan " <sankarrukku wrote: > > Namashkar. As a Chandi Upasaka I would like to respond to your questions. > > Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. > Here we are discussing only that. > > What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari > Mantra} and its Sadhana. > > Even before I start on my favourite subject, in my experience and > advice received from my Gurus, intellectual discussions about the > Sadhana Marga does not benefit the Sadhaka in his Sadhana. Sadhana is > about practice and not about theory. > > Of course I do indulge in intellectual discussions. But then I have > learnt to/trying to separate the role of an intellectual and a > Sadhaka/Bhakta. > > Having said that I will try to answer your questions. I am not an > expert on the subject. My answers are according to the limited > knowledge I have. > > 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the > Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into > this Mantra and Upasana. > > 2. Some schools believe this to be the highest Mantra. > > 3. Please do not go by any classification regarding Acharas. > > Here in the Devi Mandir Kula Swamiji shows the easiest way and stands > by you in your quest for spiritual progress. > > 4. Mantra Sadhana or any Sadhana for that matter requires continuous > practice. > > About adding this to your present sadhana you can write to Swamiji > with details of your present Sadhana. > > Jai MAA !!! > > , Siva Kumar <sufi116@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Thank you, Srinivasan, for posting this topic. > > > > I have very superficial information about Navarana Viddhi so please > pardon me for questions that would perhaps need long responses. > > > > The following are the questions about Navarana Puja Viddhi that have > been on the top of my mind. > > > > 1. Is this puja a part of Sri Vidya Upasana? > > 2. I have heard (again very superficially) that at an advanced stage > Navarana Viddhi (as part of Sri Vidya Upasana) would involve some > amount of Vamachara? 3. Is Navarana Viddhi something that an initiate > would have to practice continuously to obtain the relevant results? > Can one add this to his/her sadhana tools? > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > Sivakumar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thank you, vishweshwar. I am entirely in agreement with you. I think I should clarify my remarks. I am a student of religious history. So I have tried to find the origin of Sri Sri Chandi, its authorship, how it is unique, its role in the development of Hinduism and so on. I have gone back to college to study about India and Hinduism. You can see my articles on Devi Mahatmya and Chandi in Wikipedia. (could have changed a lot now being Wikipedia). This is what I termed as intellectual tendency. It is more academic. The understanding of Indians of Hinduism in general and Sri Sri Chandi in particular depends upon their place of origin and upbringing. The questions raised by the Devotee were to clarify his understanding. I used to post frequently about Sri Sri Chandi and Navakshari in this group giving tit bits of historical and other information. A search of the posts in my name would reveal that. But then these posting were to only to kindle interest in Sri Sri Chandi. I have stopped posting because I do not think the information provided by me helps the devotees in their Upasana. Thank you. Jai MAA !! , " inspectionconnection108 " <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste all: With great respect, I would like to respond to your > statement about intellectual and devotional tendencies. Swami and Maa > have stated that it is important to understand what one is chanting. > For example: I meet and fall in love with my Guru. Now, I want to > know what pleases her, what makes her happy, what food she likes, how > to serve her, how to worship her. > So, once I have this knowledge and understanding, my relationship with > Her can grow and expand and deepen. And, as my devotion grows, I will > have more questions, and so it goes. > Likewise, if I can understand what that Chandi represents, what the > text means on many different levels, then my relationship with Chandi, > and MySelf, can grow and expand and deepen. > Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are > important. At the Devi Mandir, we are blessed to have Swami and Maa > to directly interpret and explain the many facets of the Chandi. > Then, we can sit at the homa and chant with them. We can feel their > bhava and experience their enthusiasm and devotion. > My own experience has grown 100% because I now understand what I have > been chanting for years. > > Jai Ma Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > > > > > , " Sankar Viswanathan " > <sankarrukku@> wrote: > > > > Namashkar. As a Chandi Upasaka I would like to respond to your > questions. > > > > Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. > > Here we are discussing only that. > > > > What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari > > Mantra} and its Sadhana. > > > > Even before I start on my favourite subject, in my experience and > > advice received from my Gurus, intellectual discussions about the > > Sadhana Marga does not benefit the Sadhaka in his Sadhana. Sadhana is > > about practice and not about theory. > > > > Of course I do indulge in intellectual discussions. But then I have > > learnt to/trying to separate the role of an intellectual and a > > Sadhaka/Bhakta. > > > > Having said that I will try to answer your questions. I am not an > > expert on the subject. My answers are according to the limited > > knowledge I have. > > > > 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the > > Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into > > this Mantra and Upasana. > > > > 2. Some schools believe this to be the highest Mantra. > > > > 3. Please do not go by any classification regarding Acharas. > > > > Here in the Devi Mandir Kula Swamiji shows the easiest way and stands > > by you in your quest for spiritual progress. > > > > 4. Mantra Sadhana or any Sadhana for that matter requires continuous > > practice. > > > > About adding this to your present sadhana you can write to Swamiji > > with details of your present Sadhana. > > > > Jai MAA !!! > > > > , Siva Kumar <sufi116@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Thank you, Srinivasan, for posting this topic. > > > > > > I have very superficial information about Navarana Viddhi so please > > pardon me for questions that would perhaps need long responses. > > > > > > The following are the questions about Navarana Puja Viddhi that have > > been on the top of my mind. > > > > > > 1. Is this puja a part of Sri Vidya Upasana? > > > 2. I have heard (again very superficially) that at an advanced stage > > Navarana Viddhi (as part of Sri Vidya Upasana) would involve some > > amount of Vamachara? 3. Is Navarana Viddhi something that an initiate > > would have to practice continuously to obtain the relevant results? > > Can one add this to his/her sadhana tools? > > > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > Sivakumar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear Shivakumar, Sankar and Vishweshwar, Thanks for the helpful discussion! It is ringing the temple bells of my heart! Sankar said: " 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into this Mantra and Upasana. " Could someone say more about this, please? Respectful Thanks! L , " inspectionconnection108 " <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste all: With great respect, I would like to respond to your > statement about intellectual and devotional tendencies. Swami and Maa > have stated that it is important to understand what one is chanting. > For example: I meet and fall in love with my Guru. Now, I want to > know what pleases her, what makes her happy, what food she likes, how > to serve her, how to worship her. > So, once I have this knowledge and understanding, my relationship with > Her can grow and expand and deepen. And, as my devotion grows, I will > have more questions, and so it goes. > Likewise, if I can understand what that Chandi represents, what the > text means on many different levels, then my relationship with Chandi, > and MySelf, can grow and expand and deepen. > Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are > important. At the Devi Mandir, we are blessed to have Swami and Maa > to directly interpret and explain the many facets of the Chandi. > Then, we can sit at the homa and chant with them. We can feel their > bhava and experience their enthusiasm and devotion. > My own experience has grown 100% because I now understand what I have > been chanting for years. > > Jai Ma Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > > > > > , " Sankar Viswanathan " > <sankarrukku@> wrote: > > > > Namashkar. As a Chandi Upasaka I would like to respond to your > questions. > > > > Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. > > Here we are discussing only that. > > > > What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari > > Mantra} and its Sadhana. > > > > Even before I start on my favourite subject, in my experience and > > advice received from my Gurus, intellectual discussions about the > > Sadhana Marga does not benefit the Sadhaka in his Sadhana. Sadhana is > > about practice and not about theory. > > > > Of course I do indulge in intellectual discussions. But then I have > > learnt to/trying to separate the role of an intellectual and a > > Sadhaka/Bhakta. > > > > Having said that I will try to answer your questions. I am not an > > expert on the subject. My answers are according to the limited > > knowledge I have. > > > > 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the > > Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into > > this Mantra and Upasana. > > > > 2. Some schools believe this to be the highest Mantra. > > > > 3. Please do not go by any classification regarding Acharas. > > > > Here in the Devi Mandir Kula Swamiji shows the easiest way and stands > > by you in your quest for spiritual progress. > > > > 4. Mantra Sadhana or any Sadhana for that matter requires continuous > > practice. > > > > About adding this to your present sadhana you can write to Swamiji > > with details of your present Sadhana. > > > > Jai MAA !!! > > > > , Siva Kumar <sufi116@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Thank you, Srinivasan, for posting this topic. > > > > > > I have very superficial information about Navarana Viddhi so please > > pardon me for questions that would perhaps need long responses. > > > > > > The following are the questions about Navarana Puja Viddhi that have > > been on the top of my mind. > > > > > > 1. Is this puja a part of Sri Vidya Upasana? > > > 2. I have heard (again very superficially) that at an advanced stage > > Navarana Viddhi (as part of Sri Vidya Upasana) would involve some > > amount of Vamachara? 3. Is Navarana Viddhi something that an initiate > > would have to practice continuously to obtain the relevant results? > > Can one add this to his/her sadhana tools? > > > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > Sivakumar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Namaste Vishweshwar /All,Every once in a while, well intentioned brothers and sisters on the path tell me that intellectual tendencies weaken spirituality in individuals but strengthen egocentric behavior instead. On introspection, I realised that (while I have an occassional swelling of the ego on such counts) I most of often experience devotion. So when you say " Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are important," I feel a lot better.Thank you for pointing this out. Jai MaaRegardsSivakumarinspectionconnection108 <inspectionconnection108 wrote: Namaste all: With great respect, I would like to respond to your statement about intellectual and devotional tendencies. Swami and Maa have stated that it is important to understand what one is chanting. For example: I meet and fall in love with my Guru. Now, I want to know what pleases her, what makes her happy, what food she likes, how to serve her, how to worship her. So, once I have this knowledge and understanding, my relationship with Her can grow and expand and deepen. And, as my devotion grows, I will have more questions, and so it goes. Likewise, if I can understand what that Chandi represents, what the text means on many different levels, then my relationship with Chandi, and MySelf, can grow and expand and deepen. Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are important. At the Devi Mandir, we are blessed to have Swami and Maa to directly interpret and explain the many facets of the Chandi. Then, we can sit at the homa and chant with them. We can feel their bhava and experience their enthusiasm and devotion. My own experience has grown 100% because I now understand what I have been chanting for years. Jai Ma Jai Swami vishweshwar , "Sankar Viswanathan" <sankarrukku wrote: > > Namashkar. As a Chandi Upasaka I would like to respond to your questions. > > Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. > Here we are discussing only that. > > What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari > Mantra} and its Sadhana. > > Even before I start on my favourite subject, in my experience and > advice received from my Gurus, intellectual discussions about the > Sadhana Marga does not benefit the Sadhaka in his Sadhana. Sadhana is > about practice and not about theory. > > Of course I do indulge in intellectual discussions. But then I have > learnt to/trying to separate the role of an intellectual and a > Sadhaka/Bhakta. > > Having said that I will try to answer your questions. I am not an > expert on the subject. My answers are according to the limited > knowledge I have. > > 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the > Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into > this Mantra and Upasana. > > 2. Some schools believe this to be the highest Mantra. > > 3. Please do not go by any classification regarding Acharas. > > Here in the Devi Mandir Kula Swamiji shows the easiest way and stands > by you in your quest for spiritual progress. > > 4. Mantra Sadhana or any Sadhana for that matter requires continuous > practice. > > About adding this to your present sadhana you can write to Swamiji > with details of your present Sadhana. > > Jai MAA !!! > > , Siva Kumar <sufi116@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Thank you, Srinivasan, for posting this topic. > > > > I have very superficial information about Navarana Viddhi so please > pardon me for questions that would perhaps need long responses. > > > > The following are the questions about Navarana Puja Viddhi that have > been on the top of my mind. > > > > 1. Is this puja a part of Sri Vidya Upasana? > > 2. I have heard (again very superficially) that at an advanced stage > Navarana Viddhi (as part of Sri Vidya Upasana) would involve some > amount of Vamachara? 3. Is Navarana Viddhi something that an initiate > would have to practice continuously to obtain the relevant results? > Can one add this to his/her sadhana tools? > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > Sivakumar > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Namaste Sankarji,Your response is of great interst to me. I request you to help me understand.You had said "Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. Here we are discussing only that. What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari Mantra} and its Sadhana."While I understand that in the ultimate analysis All is One, are Chandi Upasana and Sri Vidyopasana related sadhanas? Especially, since both names have "Chandi" in them.Again, in the later part of your email you had said the following" Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into this Mantra and Upasana." I request you and any one else to help me get more clarity.Thank you!Best regards!Sivakumardeviloka <deviloka wrote: Dear Shivakumar, Sankar and Vishweshwar, Thanks for the helpful discussion! It is ringing the temple bells of my heart! Sankar said: "1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into this Mantra and Upasana." Could someone say more about this, please? Respectful Thanks! L , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste all: With great respect, I would like to respond to your > statement about intellectual and devotional tendencies. Swami and Maa > have stated that it is important to understand what one is chanting. > For example: I meet and fall in love with my Guru. Now, I want to > know what pleases her, what makes her happy, what food she likes, how > to serve her, how to worship her. > So, once I have this knowledge and understanding, my relationship with > Her can grow and expand and deepen. And, as my devotion grows, I will > have more questions, and so it goes. > Likewise, if I can understand what that Chandi represents, what the > text means on many different levels, then my relationship with Chandi, > and MySelf, can grow and expand and deepen. > Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are > important. At the Devi Mandir, we are blessed to have Swami and Maa > to directly interpret and explain the many facets of the Chandi. > Then, we can sit at the homa and chant with them. We can feel their > bhava and experience their enthusiasm and devotion. > My own experience has grown 100% because I now understand what I have > been chanting for years. > > Jai Ma Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > > > > > , "Sankar Viswanathan" > <sankarrukku@> wrote: > > > > Namashkar. As a Chandi Upasaka I would like to respond to your > questions. > > > > Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. > > Here we are discussing only that. > > > > What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari > > Mantra} and its Sadhana. > > > > Even before I start on my favourite subject, in my experience and > > advice received from my Gurus, intellectual discussions about the > > Sadhana Marga does not benefit the Sadhaka in his Sadhana. Sadhana is > > about practice and not about theory. > > > > Of course I do indulge in intellectual discussions. But then I have > > learnt to/trying to separate the role of an intellectual and a > > Sadhaka/Bhakta. > > > > Having said that I will try to answer your questions. I am not an > > expert on the subject. My answers are according to the limited > > knowledge I have. > > > > 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the > > Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into > > this Mantra and Upasana. > > > > 2. Some schools believe this to be the highest Mantra. > > > > 3. Please do not go by any classification regarding Acharas. > > > > Here in the Devi Mandir Kula Swamiji shows the easiest way and stands > > by you in your quest for spiritual progress. > > > > 4. Mantra Sadhana or any Sadhana for that matter requires continuous > > practice. > > > > About adding this to your present sadhana you can write to Swamiji > > with details of your present Sadhana. > > > > Jai MAA !!! > > > > , Siva Kumar <sufi116@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Thank you, Srinivasan, for posting this topic. > > > > > > I have very superficial information about Navarana Viddhi so please > > pardon me for questions that would perhaps need long responses. > > > > > > The following are the questions about Navarana Puja Viddhi that have > > been on the top of my mind. > > > > > > 1. Is this puja a part of Sri Vidya Upasana? > > > 2. I have heard (again very superficially) that at an advanced stage > > Navarana Viddhi (as part of Sri Vidya Upasana) would involve some > > amount of Vamachara? 3. Is Navarana Viddhi something that an initiate > > would have to practice continuously to obtain the relevant results? > > Can one add this to his/her sadhana tools? > > > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > Sivakumar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Dear Shree Shankar: Aha! So your " historical knowledge " is very valuable to more than one of us! Yes! This knowledge can and does increase devotion! I actually came to this group and Shree Maa's website searching for the connections between Chandi Path and Shri Vidya, and found that I already have much in common with the devotees here, and as I go along I am always finding more! Although, I can see how much " book knowledge " can create more false identifications and set the mind to useles whirling, sometimes, maybe this info is just the right thing at the right time to outwardly confirm an inner experience... Regards, L , Siva Kumar <sufi116 wrote: > > Namaste > > Sankarji, > > Your response is of great interst to me. I request you to help me understand. > You had said " Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. Here we are discussing only that. What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari Mantra} and its Sadhana. " > > While I understand that in the ultimate analysis All is One, are Chandi Upasana and Sri Vidyopasana related sadhanas? Especially, since both names have " Chandi " in them. > > Again, in the later part of your email you had said the following " Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated into this Mantra and Upasana. " > > I request you and any one else to help me get more clarity. > > Thank you! > Best regards! > > Sivakumar > > > > > deviloka <deviloka wrote: Dear Shivakumar, Sankar and Vishweshwar, > Thanks for the helpful discussion! It is ringing the temple bells of > my heart! > Sankar said: " 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri > Vidya. In the Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is > initiated into this Mantra and Upasana. " > > Could someone say more about this, please? > Respectful Thanks! > L > > , " inspectionconnection108 " > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste all: With great respect, I would like to respond to your > > statement about intellectual and devotional tendencies. Swami and > Maa > > have stated that it is important to understand what one is chanting. > > For example: I meet and fall in love with my Guru. Now, I want to > > know what pleases her, what makes her happy, what food she likes, > how > > to serve her, how to worship her. > > So, once I have this knowledge and understanding, my relationship > with > > Her can grow and expand and deepen. And, as my devotion grows, I > will > > have more questions, and so it goes. > > Likewise, if I can understand what that Chandi represents, what the > > text means on many different levels, then my relationship with > Chandi, > > and MySelf, can grow and expand and deepen. > > Devotion and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are > > important. At the Devi Mandir, we are blessed to have Swami and Maa > > to directly interpret and explain the many facets of the Chandi. > > Then, we can sit at the homa and chant with them. We can feel their > > bhava and experience their enthusiasm and devotion. > > My own experience has grown 100% because I now understand what I > have > > been chanting for years. > > > > Jai Ma Jai Swami > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sankar Viswanathan " > > <sankarrukku@> wrote: > > > > > > Namashkar. As a Chandi Upasaka I would like to respond to your > > questions. > > > > > > Navarana Viddhi is an essential part of reciting Sri Sri Chandi. > > > Here we are discussing only that. > > > > > > What you have asked is about the Navarna mantra (Chandi Navakshari > > > Mantra} and its Sadhana. > > > > > > Even before I start on my favourite subject, in my experience and > > > advice received from my Gurus, intellectual discussions about the > > > Sadhana Marga does not benefit the Sadhaka in his Sadhana. > Sadhana is > > > about practice and not about theory. > > > > > > Of course I do indulge in intellectual discussions. But then I > have > > > learnt to/trying to separate the role of an intellectual and a > > > Sadhaka/Bhakta. > > > > > > Having said that I will try to answer your questions. I am not an > > > expert on the subject. My answers are according to the limited > > > knowledge I have. > > > > > > 1. Navarana Viddhi or Navarna Mantra is part of Sri Vidya. In the > > > Krama (step by step) Diksha way of Sri Vidya, one is initiated > into > > > this Mantra and Upasana. > > > > > > 2. Some schools believe this to be the highest Mantra. > > > > > > 3. Please do not go by any classification regarding Acharas. > > > > > > Here in the Devi Mandir Kula Swamiji shows the easiest way and > stands > > > by you in your quest for spiritual progress. > > > > > > 4. Mantra Sadhana or any Sadhana for that matter requires > continuous > > > practice. > > > > > > About adding this to your present sadhana you can write to Swamiji > > > with details of your present Sadhana. > > > > > > Jai MAA !!! > > > > > > , Siva Kumar <sufi116@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Thank you, Srinivasan, for posting this topic. > > > > > > > > I have very superficial information about Navarana Viddhi so > please > > > pardon me for questions that would perhaps need long responses. > > > > > > > > The following are the questions about Navarana Puja Viddhi that > have > > > been on the top of my mind. > > > > > > > > 1. Is this puja a part of Sri Vidya Upasana? > > > > 2. I have heard (again very superficially) that at an advanced > stage > > > Navarana Viddhi (as part of Sri Vidya Upasana) would involve some > > > amount of Vamachara? 3. Is Navarana Viddhi something that an > initiate > > > would have to practice continuously to obtain the relevant > results? > > > Can one add this to his/her sadhana tools? > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > > > Sivakumar > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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