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Namaste to all family: Swami responded to Sal's question about

sacrifice. Her question is blow.

 

SWAMI'S RESPONSE:

 

It is not Mother who wants sacrifice from us. We want the privilege of

demonstrating the sincerity of our devotion by performing a vow of

worship for Her.

 

The Christian view is that God wants from us. Our view is how

privileged we are to be able to offer to Her.

 

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

 

 

-- In , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote:

>

> Peace to you, Vish,

>

> I would deeply appreciate to hear Swamiji's wisdom as to why devotees

> need to give up something in order to receive Mother's blessing, and in

> particular, over the course of four times in a year. Is this not sort

> of like the Christian Lenten season? What does one gain by sacrifice?

>

> For truly, dear Mother, this naughty, naughty child only wants to offer

> her love to you and wonders why decreasing her consumption of beloved

> chocolate over prayers of love for you would make you happy...

>

> blessings to all,

> sal.

>

>

>

> , " inspectionconnection108 "

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all family: this Thursday July 3rd, Summer Navatri begins.

> > Our Mandir family will be celebrating for 9 days, honoring and

> > worshiping Mother. This is a powerful time to dive into Her worship:

> > To deepen one's relationship with Her and surrender our hearts to Pure

> > Love and Pure Devotion.

> > Mother's devotees typically take sankalpas to perform additional

> > sadhana and decrease their intake of food. Some do complete fasts,

> > others refrain from all by fruit and nuts, while others simply eat

> > less. Each of us has a personal relationship with Her, and each of us

> > decides what we wish to surrender in order to become closer to Her, to

> > receive Her darshan.

> >

> > Jai Ma Jai Swami

> >

> > vishweshwar

> >

>

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Oh, dear Vish, I hope that your comment on my question is a typo, and

not a statement of personal opinion...

 

So now I am even more confused...and this stems from the Christian

commandment, " Do Not Take the Name of The Lord, Your God, In Vain. "

 

My interpretation of this is that we should not make promises (false

or otherwise) to commit ourselves to the numbers game of devotion to

God. If we fail at our goal, we take a hit to our ego. If we

succeed, we puff our ego like peacocks. Is it not (our)

conscientious attempt to perhaps manipulate the benevolence of the

universe?

 

How did those feel after completing or not completing some of the

huge sankalpas asked of us over the last several years? Does one

internalize it as guilt, sorrow, failure? Or does one beam with

pride over having accomplished something enormous? Either way, is

this not a direct hit to our vanity? Are we somehow attached to the

outsome? Again, I always ask, does Mother not love us all the same

anyway?

 

....too many questions....I feel like a three-year old....I'd be the

one following Swamiji around all day, tugging at his robe,

asking " Why? Why? Why? "

 

with respect,

sal.

 

, " inspectionconnection108 "

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste to all family: Swami responded to Sal's question about

> sacrifice. Her question is blow.

>

> SWAMI'S RESPONSE:

>

> It is not Mother who wants sacrifice from us. We want the privilege

of

> demonstrating the sincerity of our devotion by performing a vow of

> worship for Her.

>

> The Christian view is that God wants from us. Our view is how

> privileged we are to be able to offer to Her.

>

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

>

>

> -- In , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote:

> >

> > Peace to you, Vish,

> >

> > I would deeply appreciate to hear Swamiji's wisdom as to why

devotees

> > need to give up something in order to receive Mother's blessing,

and in

> > particular, over the course of four times in a year. Is this not

sort

> > of like the Christian Lenten season? What does one gain by

sacrifice?

> >

> > For truly, dear Mother, this naughty, naughty child only wants to

offer

> > her love to you and wonders why decreasing her consumption of

beloved

> > chocolate over prayers of love for you would make you happy...

> >

> > blessings to all,

> > sal.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " inspectionconnection108 "

> > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all family: this Thursday July 3rd, Summer Navatri

begins.

> > > Our Mandir family will be celebrating for 9 days, honoring and

> > > worshiping Mother. This is a powerful time to dive into Her

worship:

> > > To deepen one's relationship with Her and surrender our hearts

to Pure

> > > Love and Pure Devotion.

> > > Mother's devotees typically take sankalpas to perform additional

> > > sadhana and decrease their intake of food. Some do complete

fasts,

> > > others refrain from all by fruit and nuts, while others simply

eat

> > > less. Each of us has a personal relationship with Her, and

each of us

> > > decides what we wish to surrender in order to become closer to

Her, to

> > > receive Her darshan.

> > >

> > > Jai Ma Jai Swami

> > >

> > > vishweshwar

> > >

> >

>

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> How did those feel after completing or not completing some of the

> huge sankalpas asked of us over the last several years? Does one

> internalize it as guilt, sorrow, failure? Or does one beam with

> pride over having accomplished something enormous? Either way, is

> this not a direct hit to our vanity? Are we somehow attached to the

> outsome? Again, I always ask, does Mother not love us all the same

> anyway?

 

While your point is well taken that any activity we perform with a

sense of doership is just an expression of our vanity, the equal love

of the Mother manifests differently according to the desires of her

children. Not all devotees of the Mother are looking for liberation

while living. In fact, probably a fairly small number. In the words

of Ramprasad's song:

 

In the market place of this world, the Mother sits flying Her kites.

She cuts the string of one or two and when the kite soars up into the infinite:

Oh how She laughs and claps her hands!

 

The sun shines equally on all but one with a magnifying glass we can

use its rays to start a fire. Sadhana is such a magnifying glass with

which we light the fire of tapas. There is obviously a very big

difference between an ordinary person who does not perform ritual

service or have devotion to an ishta devata and a sadhaka such as

Svamiji or Maa who has immersed him or herself in remembering the

divine. I think that is obvious to any of us that have spent time in

the company of sages.

 

Mantras do not truly awaken until they have been recited according to

agamic injunction, often 100,000 or more times. This isn't a numbers

game, but rather a divine science of sound and energy.

 

Christianity likely has some redeeming qualities, but I think that we

must treat each mystical discipline on its own terms rather than try

to mash it all up into a single stew of aphorisms and axioms and

insist that they be homogenous and consistent. Making resolves and

vows and bringing them to fruition are part and parcel of the Hindu

approach to purifying the habitual mind. They are not a form of

spiritual materialism and should be judged according to their

intention and purpose.

 

Sincerely,

 

Kalidas

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When you do the best you can, even if you do not reach your goal you

have not failed. The mother sees your effort. Take fail and succeed

out of the equation and just do.

 

There are so many unforseeable obsticles that can pervent you from

reaching the goal that you set for yourself. The mother may have

other plans for you.

 

When you practice sacrificing things for the mother, you are

practicing paying attention to the mother. Instead of thinking about

chocolate, you think about the mother. Do you think you will listen

better to mother when you are thinking of her, or chocolate? The

child that is listening and paying attention to the mother is better

perpared to recogize and receive her blessings.

 

Hope this gives you a different look.

 

-Susan

 

 

-- In , " sal. " <salpaulsen wrote:

>

> Oh, dear Vish, I hope that your comment on my question is a typo,

and

> not a statement of personal opinion...

>

> So now I am even more confused...and this stems from the Christian

> commandment, " Do Not Take the Name of The Lord, Your God, In

Vain. "

>

> My interpretation of this is that we should not make promises

(false

> or otherwise) to commit ourselves to the numbers game of devotion

to

> God. If we fail at our goal, we take a hit to our ego. If we

> succeed, we puff our ego like peacocks. Is it not (our)

> conscientious attempt to perhaps manipulate the benevolence of the

> universe?

>

> How did those feel after completing or not completing some of the

> huge sankalpas asked of us over the last several years? Does one

> internalize it as guilt, sorrow, failure? Or does one beam with

> pride over having accomplished something enormous? Either way, is

> this not a direct hit to our vanity? Are we somehow attached to

the

> outsome? Again, I always ask, does Mother not love us all the same

> anyway?

>

> ...too many questions....I feel like a three-year old....I'd be the

> one following Swamiji around all day, tugging at his robe,

> asking " Why? Why? Why? "

>

> with respect,

> sal.

>

> , " inspectionconnection108 "

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste to all family: Swami responded to Sal's question about

> > sacrifice. Her question is blow.

> >

> > SWAMI'S RESPONSE:

> >

> > It is not Mother who wants sacrifice from us. We want the

privilege

> of

> > demonstrating the sincerity of our devotion by performing a vow of

> > worship for Her.

> >

> > The Christian view is that God wants from us. Our view is how

> > privileged we are to be able to offer to Her.

> >

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> >

> > vishweshwar

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In , " sal. " <salpaulsen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Peace to you, Vish,

> > >

> > > I would deeply appreciate to hear Swamiji's wisdom as to why

> devotees

> > > need to give up something in order to receive Mother's

blessing,

> and in

> > > particular, over the course of four times in a year. Is this

not

> sort

> > > of like the Christian Lenten season? What does one gain by

> sacrifice?

> > >

> > > For truly, dear Mother, this naughty, naughty child only wants

to

> offer

> > > her love to you and wonders why decreasing her consumption of

> beloved

> > > chocolate over prayers of love for you would make you happy...

> > >

> > > blessings to all,

> > > sal.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " inspectionconnection108 "

> > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste all family: this Thursday July 3rd, Summer Navatri

> begins.

> > > > Our Mandir family will be celebrating for 9 days, honoring and

> > > > worshiping Mother. This is a powerful time to dive into Her

> worship:

> > > > To deepen one's relationship with Her and surrender our

hearts

> to Pure

> > > > Love and Pure Devotion.

> > > > Mother's devotees typically take sankalpas to perform

additional

> > > > sadhana and decrease their intake of food. Some do complete

> fasts,

> > > > others refrain from all by fruit and nuts, while others

simply

> eat

> > > > less. Each of us has a personal relationship with Her, and

> each of us

> > > > decides what we wish to surrender in order to become closer

to

> Her, to

> > > > receive Her darshan.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Ma Jai Swami

> > > >

> > > > vishweshwar

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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