Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Note to the Moderators: I am not sure whether this message is appropriate. Please approve only if you think it is O.K. Thanks Sergio wrote <quote> " 1. I have recently visited a large ashram in Europe with a large mandir to Shri Lalita (won't specify where), seeking further guidance. There I was told that while mahamantras are theoretically open to all, they were not going to give me any or encourage me to use them. I understand - and was told - that without initiation I cannot do proper puja (which requires pranapratishstha), recite mantras or chant texts like the Sri Lalita Sahasranama. 2. I don't mind swamis etc. being cautious about giving mantras etc.: these are certainly powerful tools, and esp. in this age, it is best not to cast pearls to the swine. One thing I cannot stand is 'Hindutva' and the idea that Sanatana Dharma somehow only applies to ethnic Indians. This is an annoying attitude I have often come across. A problem with the ashram I visited, I guess, is that they do not emphasise bhakti in particular, which is what I am after, really. I feel more at ease with Devi Mandir, because its concern appears to be very much on devotion (after the example of Sri Ramakrishna). I respect the value of orthodoxy, and don't want to do anything wrong. " </quote> Namaste. Sergio. I am happy that you are here and have been able to get answers to some of your questions. I am writing this message only to clarify some of the points you have raised. 1. There are thousands of traditions in Hinduism. I am familiar with the school that the Ashram you mentioned belong to. This is one of the oldest and most respected Tantrik traditions. But to follow the tradition requires years of continuous training under a qualified Guru. It is by far the toughest tradition and not for the faint hearted. Even if I had gone to the Ashram, I would have been given the same reply. It takes quite sometime for the Guru to evaluate a person to find out whether he/she is fit for initiation. Years at times. This is not orthodoxy, but tradition. Bhakti is part of the tradition, but the rituals and Mantras are of supreme importance. Very few Indians leave alone Westerners are initiated into this. Even Sri Ramakrishna had to be initiated into Tantra by Bhairavi Brahmani and Advaita by Tota Puri. As Sri Ramakrishna said " There are as many ways as there are men. " I am sorry that your initial contact has been with this exclusive tradition. But that should not devalue the tradition. To quote a personal example, it took me some years before my Guru gave me the right to even read the entire Chandi Path. Here in Devi Mandir everyone is allowed to read it. 2. " Hindutva " is a Indian nationalist concept. In a judgment the Supreme Court of India ruled that " no precise meaning can be ascribed to the terms 'Hindu', 'Hindutva' and 'Hinduism'; and no meaning in the abstract can confine it to the narrow limits of religion alone, excluding the content of Indian culture and heritage. " The Court also ruled that " Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism. A Hindu may embrace a non-Hindu religion without ceasing to be a Hindu and since the Hindu is disposed to think synthetically and to regard other forms of worship, strange gods and divergent doctrines as inadequate rather than wrong or objectionable, he tends to believe that the highest divine powers complement each other for the well-being of the world and mankind. " 3. I would like to clarify the attitude of the Indians towards non-Indians practicing Hinduism. While travelling with the group during the Banares retreat, I sometimes got angry at the attitude of the general public. But then I think we should try to understand the attitude. This may enable us to deal with such situations. Hinduism is not a proselytizing religion. In the thousands of years of its existence not many people have been converted. It was believed for a long time that you could be a Hindu only if you are born a Hindu. This changed with the modern times especially under the guidance of Swami Vivekananda. Sister Nivedita was one of the first Westerners to become popular in India. But even after more than 100 years the general belief of the average Indian is that you have to be born a Hindu to be a Hindu. Unlike the practitioners of other religions the average Hindu is not happy to see others following his/her religion. It is this idea that leads to Indians in India and abroad looking askance at westerners practicing Hinduism. You can not change an age old belief easily. The Indians who have studied Sanatana Dharma are very happy about the the growth of Sanatana Dharma in the West. Sadhus do recognize fellow Sadhus. But it would take some time before the average Indian who is far from a Sadhu accepts this. I am still angry at the ignorance of the average Indian in India and abroad. 3. Now that you are here, you need not look any further. Please go through the old messages which will enable you to understand us better. Under the guidance of Sree Maa and Swamiji you can find your way to achieving your spiritual goal as we have done. Jai MAA !!! Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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