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Namaste Kumari: I have forwarded your response to Swami

 

Jai Ma Jai Swami

 

vishweshwar

 

 

, " mjfisher2005 " <mjfisher2005

wrote:

>

> Thank you Swamiji for responding positively to my question. It is a

> big step that I am taking, that we are taking. Especially since I

> have had relationships before. If I may respond as to what the goal

> of this relationship is:

>

> The goal is to take the romantic feelings for each other and

> transmute them into being able to see the Deity in each other.

> Beyond the romance, companionship and attraction to each other, I do

> not see that there can be any other purpose. Any purpose that is

> less than that is not good enough to keep two people together for a

> life time and not begin to tear each other apart.

>

> It is a big challenge and I know that I am very far from this goal.

> But, if I continue to remember who's child I am and I lay the rough

> spots and problems at Ma's feet, then we will make progress.

>

> And believe me, there will be rough spots and problems from the very

> beginning. I am thankful for them, because then I do not expect it

> to be any different later. It seems in my other relationships it was

> very easy to slide into it unconciously. This time I must work from

> the start.

>

> Pranams to you and to Shree Maa in gratitude,

> Om Jai Kali Ma! Om Namah Shivaya

> Kumari

>

> , " inspectionconnection108 "

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Kumari,

> >

> > Gandarva or Prajapat or any other form of marriage does not pertain

> to

> > the ceremony of marriage, but rather to the motivation and contents

> of

> > the relationship.

> >

> > Primarily there are six kinds of marriage:

> > Asura - when the bride is stolen away by force.

> > Pishach - when the bride is coerced by trickery or deceit.

> > Gandarva - when the bride and groom decide on their partners

> > themselves and fix the parameters of the relationship without

> > consultation of others.

> > Prajapat - when the marriage is fixed by the parents and the bride

> is

> > given to the husband in a ceremony called kanya dhan.

> > Divya - Divine Marriage is a partnership between Shiva and Shakti;

> > both partners agree to be a constant reminder to each other, an

> > inspiration of each others' divinity.

> >

> > The ceremony you propose is adequate if the motivation is clear and

> > the goals of the relationship are clearly defined.

> >

> > Best of luck.

> >

> > Swamiji

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " mjfisher2005 " <mjfisher2005@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > This question is about something close to my heart. What does

> > > Swamiji think of a Gandharva marriage? I know to some people

> this is

> > > a lower form of marriage, but I think that depends on the

> attitude of

> > > the couple involved.

> > >

> > > In my case both I and my fiance's parents are no longer living,

> so

> > > there is no father to give the bride away and no father and

> mother in

> > > law to welcome me into the family. My fiance's brothers and

> wives

> > > have accepted me gladly as a new member of his family and my

> family

> > > has raised no objection. We are both independent and make our

> own

> > > choices, for good or ill.

> > >

> > > My fiance is willing to go through a ceremony of comittment

> before

> > > Deity, but I think that it would be too difficult to go through a

> > > complicated wedding ritual. As it stands we would do a Ganesh

> puja,

> > > exchange garlands, have him place the mangal sutra around my

> neck,

> > > make the seven steps around the fire and then acknowledge each

> > > other's divinity. Rings would be exchanged at a civil ceremony

> with

> > > his other relatives in attendence (and mine if they want to make

> the

> > > journey).

> > >

> > > I desire to have Shree Maa's and Swamji's blessing on this plan

> and

> > > on our relationship. If he or Shree Maa has any suggestions I

> would

> > > be open to their comments. I think this is supported in the

> > > traditions and we would go out of our way to avoid the

> difficulties

> > > of this arrangement, being responsible and comitted to each other.

> > >

> > > My respectful pranams to Shree Maa and Swamiji.

> > >

> > > Om Jai Kali Ma! Om Namah Shivaya!

> > > Kumari

> > >

> >

>

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Thank you Brother Vish. My pranams.

 

Om Jai Kali Ma! Om Namah Shivaya!

Kumari

 

, " inspectionconnection108 "

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste Kumari: I have forwarded your response to Swami

>

> Jai Ma Jai Swami

>

> vishweshwar

>

>

> , " mjfisher2005 " <mjfisher2005@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you Swamiji for responding positively to my question. It

is a

> > big step that I am taking, that we are taking. Especially since

I

> > have had relationships before. If I may respond as to what the

goal

> > of this relationship is:

> >

> > The goal is to take the romantic feelings for each other and

> > transmute them into being able to see the Deity in each other.

> > Beyond the romance, companionship and attraction to each other, I

do

> > not see that there can be any other purpose. Any purpose that is

> > less than that is not good enough to keep two people together for

a

> > life time and not begin to tear each other apart.

> >

> > It is a big challenge and I know that I am very far from this

goal.

> > But, if I continue to remember who's child I am and I lay the

rough

> > spots and problems at Ma's feet, then we will make progress.

> >

> > And believe me, there will be rough spots and problems from the

very

> > beginning. I am thankful for them, because then I do not expect

it

> > to be any different later. It seems in my other relationships it

was

> > very easy to slide into it unconciously. This time I must work

from

> > the start.

> >

> > Pranams to you and to Shree Maa in gratitude,

> > Om Jai Kali Ma! Om Namah Shivaya

> > Kumari

> >

> > , " inspectionconnection108 "

> > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Kumari,

> > >

> > > Gandarva or Prajapat or any other form of marriage does not

pertain

> > to

> > > the ceremony of marriage, but rather to the motivation and

contents

> > of

> > > the relationship.

> > >

> > > Primarily there are six kinds of marriage:

> > > Asura - when the bride is stolen away by force.

> > > Pishach - when the bride is coerced by trickery or deceit.

> > > Gandarva - when the bride and groom decide on their partners

> > > themselves and fix the parameters of the relationship without

> > > consultation of others.

> > > Prajapat - when the marriage is fixed by the parents and the

bride

> > is

> > > given to the husband in a ceremony called kanya dhan.

> > > Divya - Divine Marriage is a partnership between Shiva and

Shakti;

> > > both partners agree to be a constant reminder to each other, an

> > > inspiration of each others' divinity.

> > >

> > > The ceremony you propose is adequate if the motivation is clear

and

> > > the goals of the relationship are clearly defined.

> > >

> > > Best of luck.

> > >

> > > Swamiji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " mjfisher2005 "

<mjfisher2005@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > This question is about something close to my heart. What

does

> > > > Swamiji think of a Gandharva marriage? I know to some people

> > this is

> > > > a lower form of marriage, but I think that depends on the

> > attitude of

> > > > the couple involved.

> > > >

> > > > In my case both I and my fiance's parents are no longer

living,

> > so

> > > > there is no father to give the bride away and no father and

> > mother in

> > > > law to welcome me into the family. My fiance's brothers and

> > wives

> > > > have accepted me gladly as a new member of his family and my

> > family

> > > > has raised no objection. We are both independent and make

our

> > own

> > > > choices, for good or ill.

> > > >

> > > > My fiance is willing to go through a ceremony of comittment

> > before

> > > > Deity, but I think that it would be too difficult to go

through a

> > > > complicated wedding ritual. As it stands we would do a Ganesh

> > puja,

> > > > exchange garlands, have him place the mangal sutra around my

> > neck,

> > > > make the seven steps around the fire and then acknowledge

each

> > > > other's divinity. Rings would be exchanged at a civil

ceremony

> > with

> > > > his other relatives in attendence (and mine if they want to

make

> > the

> > > > journey).

> > > >

> > > > I desire to have Shree Maa's and Swamji's blessing on this

plan

> > and

> > > > on our relationship. If he or Shree Maa has any suggestions

I

> > would

> > > > be open to their comments. I think this is supported in the

> > > > traditions and we would go out of our way to avoid the

> > difficulties

> > > > of this arrangement, being responsible and comitted to each

other.

> > > >

> > > > My respectful pranams to Shree Maa and Swamiji.

> > > >

> > > > Om Jai Kali Ma! Om Namah Shivaya!

> > > > Kumari

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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