Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Hello group, Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Bob, Read the Bhagavad Gita with commentary by Gandhi. The action is internal not external. Gandhi was a big believer in Ahimsa or non-harming. The teachings of the Vedas seem to indicate a wider interpretation of non-harming which includes the non-harming of animals, plants, and the earth in general. This concept is not covered in the Bible. Jesus fished, drank alcohol, and he cursed plants. In Hinduism, all of these actions are no-nos. The Vedas not only emcompass " Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword " , but surpass it. You tend to be very literal, which is Middle Eastern. Hinduism religion full of symbolism. Most Eastern religions are. Shanti Om, Shankari (Starla) --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:02 PM Hello group, Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Bob, Last time I checked, Jesus was not particularly concerned with doctrinal consistency with the Gita. Must we make some sort of foul-tasting porridge of the world's religions, when each tasted separately is quite delicious? Is your question whether the doctrine of nishkamya karmayoga makes sense? If so, could you situate it at least within its own tradition with a counterpoint? It is of course an interesting doctrine, I just don't want to talk about incommensurable philosophies. Other's mileage may vary. Best, Kalidas On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:02 PM, bob_walk2<bob_walk2 wrote: > > > Hello group, > > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words > with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then > binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad > Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are > rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > > Om > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 The shastras do not recommend any one way of life only, but encourages each person to follow their individual dharma and find perfection in that. Arjuna was a warrior. he was a Kshatrya all his life. Not only that, he was excellently trained and knew his business. I'm sure he loved that life. According to the scriptures he was a part incarnation of Deity. He did his necessary duty very well. Krishna suspected in this case that Arjuna was not being truthful about his motives for not fighting. He brought up all sorts of spurious religious reasons why he should not fight and had a very emotional reaction to taking part in the battle when in fact it was the sort of war nobody hopes they ever have to take part in, but it was happening just the same. Those on the other side were entirely without scruples and had tried to kill the Pandavas and take over all of the kingdom. Would these sorts of people make honorable kshatryas or good rulers? But Arjuna had a lot of attachment to them or at least to the idea that they were relatives and they should not be hurt. However, the Kuravas continued to agitate with the culmination of the Battle at Kurukshetra. The Panadavas need to be united and stand together at the battle. It was Arjuna's dharma and also his karma which led him to this point in his life and Krishna wisely counseled him to see it through to the end with all of its results good and bad. In this way Arjuna would win ultimate salvation. This is what I remember of what I have been taught. All honor to my gurus past and present. Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! Kumari--- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: bob_walk2 <bob_walk2[www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM Hello group,Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, "live by the sword, die by the sword" (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!)Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 So, to make it clear, "Live by the sword, die by the sword" does apply to Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap spiritual rewards that are imperishable. Jai Maa! Kumari--- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: bob_walk2 <bob_walk2[www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM Hello group,Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, "live by the sword, die by the sword" (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!)Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Jesus spoke in parables depending on the audience. " Live by the sword " is simply no different than " Do unto others. " Live happy. Be Happy. Live violently. Die violently. They don't particularly care on the other side. It's our game to play while we're down here. We made up laws, religions, governments and we've messed up trying to tell each other that one was better than the other when, truly, it's not. It's a game we created in the physical to create contrast or duality. Eliminate the contrast and you've found God. (well...presuming you're happy and at peace with your self). To read more into Jesus' doctrine implies casting moral judgement. You sure won't find me launching that first stone. sal. , " bob_walk2 " <bob_walk2 wrote: > > Hello group, > > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > > Om > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Thanks Joan, I'm familar with reasoning along those lines. There is also the story of St. Francis who was a warrior but gave up that type of life to be a renunciate. Which btw to me is not unlike the countless stories of Hindu men (and some women) who become renunciates (which obviously includes men becoming monks and swami's) by giving up the ways of the world. Thus if Arjuna was truly tired of the ways of the world and the wars and bloodshed that come with it, he to could have become a renunciate with counseling to do so. (and by not doing so he may have missed his deeper personal dharma, but that idea may not be allowed to be posted here?) Bob , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005 wrote: > > The shastras do not recommend any one way of life only, but encourages each person to follow their individual dharma and find perfection in that. Arjuna was a warrior. he was a Kshatrya all his life. Not only that, he was excellently trained and knew his business. I'm sure he loved that life. According to the scriptures he was a part incarnation of Deity. He did his necessary duty very well. Krishna suspected in this case that Arjuna was not being truthful about his motives for not fighting. He brought up all sorts of spurious religious reasons why he should not fight and had a very emotional reaction to taking part in the battle when in fact it was the sort of war nobody hopes they ever have to take part in, but it was happening just the same. Those on the other side were entirely without scruples and had tried to kill the Pandavas and take over all of the kingdom. Would these sorts of people make honorable kshatryas or good > rulers? But Arjuna had a lot of attachment to them or at least to the idea that they were relatives and they should not be hurt. However, the Kuravas continued to agitate with the culmination of the Battle at Kurukshetra. The Panadavas need to be united and stand together at the battle. It was Arjuna's dharma and also his karma which led him to this point in his life and Krishna wisely counseled him to see it through to the end with all of its results good and bad. In this way Arjuna would win ultimate salvation. > > This is what I remember of what I have been taught. All honor to my gurus past and present. > > Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! > > Kumari > > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: > > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 > [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM > > > > > > > Hello group, > > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > > Om > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 ok, I agree that he may have reaped certain karmas, problem is that even good karma is not the point and it to is perishable... it's freedom from all karmas that brings one to the Self that can never be reaped or rewarded through any form of karma. , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005 wrote: > > So, to make it clear, " Live by the sword, die by the sword " does apply to Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap spiritual rewards that are imperishable. > > Jai Maa! > > Kumari > > > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: > > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 > [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM > > > > > > > Hello group, > > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > > Om > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Bob, You have answered your own question. If the atma is never involved in the magic show of karma, then actions performed without desire of result in full knowledge of the Self can not possibly accrue any karmic residue, as karma itself depends on an agent, and the atma is not an agent within samsara. Thank you for recasting this within the philosophical system that the question is native to. Best regards, Kalidas On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM, bob_walk2<bob_walk2 wrote: > > > ok, I agree that he may have reaped certain karmas, problem is that even > good karma is not the point and it to is perishable... it's freedom from all > karmas that brings one to the Self that can never be reaped or rewarded > through any form of karma. > > , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005 wrote: >> >> So, to make it clear, " Live by the sword, die by the sword " does apply to >> Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they >> were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects >> until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the >> less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap >> spiritual rewards that are imperishable. >> >> Jai Maa! >> >> Kumari >> >> >> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: >> >> >> bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 >> [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? >> >> Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello group, >> >> Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words >> with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then >> binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad >> Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are >> rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) >> >> Om >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 No one feeds me lines. I repeat what I have learned over my lifetime and what I believe. Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! Kumari--- On Wed, 8/19/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: bob_walk2 <bob_walk2Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:12 PM Thanks Joan,I'm familar with reasoning along those lines. There is also the story of St. Francis who was a warrior but gave up that type of life to be a renunciate. Which btw to me is not unlike the countless stories of Hindu men (and some women) who become renunciates (which obviously includes men becoming monks and swami's) by giving up the ways of the world. Thus if Arjuna was truly tired of the ways of the world and the wars and bloodshed that come with it, he to could have become a renunciate with counseling to do so. (and by not doing so he may have missed his deeper personal dharma, but that idea may not be allowed to be posted here?)Bob, Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005@ ...> wrote:>> The shastras do not recommend any one way of life only, but encourages each person to follow their individual dharma and find perfection in that. Arjuna was a warrior. he was a Kshatrya all his life. Not only that, he was excellently trained and knew his business. I'm sure he loved that life. According to the scriptures he was a part incarnation of Deity. He did his necessary duty very well. Krishna suspected in this case that Arjuna was not being truthful about his motives for not fighting. He brought up all sorts of spurious religious reasons why he should not fight and had a very emotional reaction to taking part in the battle when in fact it was the sort of war nobody hopes they ever have to take part in, but it was happening just the same. Those on the other side were entirely without scruples and had tried to kill the Pandavas and take over all of the kingdom. Would these sorts of people make honorable kshatryas or good> rulers? But Arjuna had a lot of attachment to them or at least to the idea that they were relatives and they should not be hurt. However, the Kuravas continued to agitate with the culmination of the Battle at Kurukshetra. The Panadavas need to be united and stand together at the battle. It was Arjuna's dharma and also his karma which led him to this point in his life and Krishna wisely counseled him to see it through to the end with all of its results good and bad. In this way Arjuna would win ultimate salvation.> > This is what I remember of what I have been taught. All honor to my gurus past and present.> > Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji!> > Kumari> > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@. ..> wrote:> > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@. ..>> [www.ShreeMaa. org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile?> > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM> > > > > > > Hello group,> > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, "live by the sword, die by the sword" (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!)> > Om> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, exactly, that would be my point as well. But a person must start from where they are. Krishna is teaching Arjuna how to be unattached from both the good and bad results of his actions while he completes his dharma. Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! Kumari --- On Wed, 8/19/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: bob_walk2 <bob_walk2Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:17 PM ok, I agree that he may have reaped certain karmas, problem is that even good karma is not the point and it to is perishable.. . it's freedom from all karmas that brings one to the Self that can never be reaped or rewarded through any form of karma., Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005@ ...> wrote:>> So, to make it clear, "Live by the sword, die by the sword" does apply to Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap spiritual rewards that are imperishable.> > Jai Maa!> > Kumari> > > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@. ..> wrote:> > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@. ..>> [www.ShreeMaa. org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile?> > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM> > > > > > > Hello group,> > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, "live by the sword, die by the sword" (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!)> > Om> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 For a long time I believed the Gita was Hindu scripture in the sense of Sruti as in the Vedas and Agamas, but come to find out from certain world recognized, highly respected and greatly renowned Hindu lineage holders that they don't see the Gita in that way. Btw, they then go about their business and ignore debate on the subject which to me is incongruent if such a potentially heated statement is made? I guess we can all make our own separate or group type of statements about where we stand and then ignore and or shun any difficult debate or people regarding such statements? (which is an example of what often happens in life that I've come across) -- In , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005 wrote: > > No one feeds me lines. I repeat what I have learned over my lifetime and what I believe. > > Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! > > Kumari > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: > > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 > Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > > Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:12 PM > > > > > > > > Thanks Joan, > > I'm familar with reasoning along those lines. There is also the story of St. Francis who was a warrior but gave up that type of life to be a renunciate. Which btw to me is not unlike the countless stories of Hindu men (and some women) who become renunciates (which obviously includes men becoming monks and swami's) by giving up the ways of the world. Thus if Arjuna was truly tired of the ways of the world and the wars and bloodshed that come with it, he to could have become a renunciate with counseling to do so. (and by not doing so he may have missed his deeper personal dharma, but that idea may not be allowed to be posted here?) > > Bob > > , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > The shastras do not recommend any one way of life only, but encourages each person to follow their individual dharma and find perfection in that. Arjuna was a warrior. he was a Kshatrya all his life. Not only that, he was excellently trained and knew his business. I'm sure he loved that life. According to the scriptures he was a part incarnation of Deity. He did his necessary duty very well. Krishna suspected in this case that Arjuna was not being truthful about his motives for not fighting. He brought up all sorts of spurious religious reasons why he should not fight and had a very emotional reaction to taking part in the battle when in fact it was the sort of war nobody hopes they ever have to take part in, but it was happening just the same. Those on the other side were entirely without scruples and had tried to kill the Pandavas and take over all of the kingdom. Would these sorts of people make honorable kshatryas or good > > rulers? But Arjuna had a lot of attachment to them or at least to the idea that they were relatives and they should not be hurt. However, the Kuravas continued to agitate with the culmination of the Battle at Kurukshetra. The Panadavas need to be united and stand together at the battle. It was Arjuna's dharma and also his karma which led him to this point in his life and Krishna wisely counseled him to see it through to the end with all of its results good and bad. In this way Arjuna would win ultimate salvation. > > > > This is what I remember of what I have been taught. All honor to my gurus past and present. > > > > Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! > > > > Kumari > > > > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@ ..> > > [www.ShreeMaa. org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > > > > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello group, > > > > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > > > > Om > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hello Kalidas, Not really although I can see your reasoning... since only a fully enlightened being acting as an agent or matrix for non-dualistic truth could do as you imply regarding action in the various worlds. Btw, in my view the non-dualistic truth does not reside in only one system per-se and thus has no limitations across various systems that are based on such essence. Om , Thubten Namgyal <anandabhairav wrote: > > Bob, > > You have answered your own question. If the atma is never involved in > the magic show of karma, then actions performed without desire of > result in full knowledge of the Self can not possibly accrue any > karmic residue, as karma itself depends on an agent, and the atma is > not an agent within samsara. > > Thank you for recasting this within the philosophical system that the > question is native to. > > Best regards, > > Kalidas > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM, bob_walk2<bob_walk2 wrote: > > > > > > ok, I agree that he may have reaped certain karmas, problem is that even > > good karma is not the point and it to is perishable... it's freedom from all > > karmas that brings one to the Self that can never be reaped or rewarded > > through any form of karma. > > > > , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005@> wrote: > >> > >> So, to make it clear, " Live by the sword, die by the sword " does apply to > >> Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they > >> were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects > >> until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the > >> less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap > >> spiritual rewards that are imperishable. > >> > >> Jai Maa! > >> > >> Kumari > >> > >> > >> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@> > >> [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > >> > >> Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello group, > >> > >> Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words > >> with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then > >> binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad > >> Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are > >> rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > >> > >> Om > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I am posting this again, since it did not post last night: Yes, exactly, that would be my point as well. But a person must start from where they are. Krishna is teaching Arjuna how to be unattached from both the good and bad results of his actions while he completes his dharma. Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! Kumari --- On Wed, 8/19/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: bob_walk2 <bob_walk2Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:17 PM ok, I agree that he may have reaped certain karmas, problem is that even good karma is not the point and it to is perishable.. . it's freedom from all karmas that brings one to the Self that can never be reaped or rewarded through any form of karma., Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005@ ...> wrote:>> So, to make it clear, "Live by the sword, die by the sword" does apply to Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap spiritual rewards that are imperishable.> > Jai Maa!> > Kumari> > > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@. ..> wrote:> > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@. ..>> [www.ShreeMaa. org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile?> > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM> > > > > > > Hello group,> > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, "live by the sword, die by the sword" (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!)> > Om> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 ....Ok, could we not put it that there are relative good and bad actions that have various good and bad results, and that there is also the GOOD that does not have an opposite, or motives or results except for that GOOD. So unless one is acting for the GOOD there will always be attachments to results, for only a total and true renunciate has given up motives other than that of the GOOD, and that GOOD (as related to the life force) does not and can not make war or slay beings under any circumstances or rationalizations around same. Om , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005 wrote: > > Yes, exactly, that would be my point as well. But a person must start from where they are. Krishna is teaching Arjuna how to be unattached from both the good and bad results of his actions while he completes his dharma. > > Jai Shree Maa! Jai Swamiji! > > Kumari > > > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 wrote: > > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2 > Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > > Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:17 PM > > > > > > > > ok, I agree that he may have reaped certain karmas, problem is that even good karma is not the point and it to is perishable.. . it's freedom from all karmas that brings one to the Self that can never be reaped or rewarded through any form of karma. > > , Joan Fisher <mjfisher2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > So, to make it clear, " Live by the sword, die by the sword " does apply to Arjuna. The Pandavas suffered many difficulties and anguish because they were kshatryas along with the benefits. Every way of life has it's defects until ultimate liberation is attained. But Krishna showed, how none the less Arjuna could apply the techniques of spirituality to his life and reap spiritual rewards that are imperishable. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Kumari > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > bob_walk2 <bob_walk2@ ..> > > [www.ShreeMaa. org] a comparison that doesn't seem to reconcile? > > > > Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello group, > > > > Does anyone see any possible way to reconcile what Jesus said in his words with, " live by the sword, die by the sword " (which means to me that one then binds oneself with such karmas) to the apparent teachings of the Bhagavad Gita where it speaks of engaging in war? (with what to me are rationalizations that somehow one will not be bound by such karmas!) > > > > Om > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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